We are told over and over that we need to fight the terrorists there so we don’t have to fight them here.

In truth, we have been fighting domestic terrorists here for years.

A recent attempt in Austin is just the latest example.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/26/clinic.bomb/index.html

There is the Oklahoma City bombing, Ted Kaczynski, Ecoterrorists, PETA, the Olympic Park bombing and the Anthrax mailings.

Additionally:

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/assets/files/Abortion-Access-to-Abortion-Violenc e.pdf

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

Question:

Should home grown terrorists be sent to a Guantánamo
type facility, held indefinitely without charge and even tortured to determine who their associates are?

If not, why not?

Terrorists are Terrorists period.

Either we have due process for terror, or we don't.

Oh, it's next to an abortion clinic. Sorry, we don't have due process for those places.

Next.

All criminal acts are acts of terror against someone. The differentation, is that "Terrorists" are foreign entities attacking our govt.

Our constitution protects Citizens and to some extent visitors in the US.

So are you saying that people who bomb abortion clinics, set fire to log trucks, and and send Anthrax via the mail commit acts of terror, but are not terrorists?

What about the D.C Snipers?

(I'm assuming here, based on the choice of targets, that the anthrax mailings were domsetic).

You're confusing foreign terrorists at war with the U.S. with U.S. citizens protected by the Constitution. The Constitution does not apply to enemy combatants.

1. What about Jose Padilla & Brandon Mayfield?

2. Are people who bomb abortion clinics, set fire to log trucks, and and send Anthrax via the mail:
a. Terrorists
b. Criminals
c. Both

You mean domestic terrorists -vs- foreign terrorists right?

In both cases they are terrorists.

I'm still figuring out how the "over there" terrorists are gonna get "over here". They do know we're a gun-toting nation, right? It seems however the gun-toters are the ones actually afraid of terrorists "coming over here."

The thread title meme perpetuated by this administration is stupid, and I'm embarassed that America has been falling for it hook, line and sinker for so long.

1) The terrorists are here, now, both foreign and domestic. They lay low, they plot and plan, and get away with what they can. The strength of our internal security measures and border security is going to determine if any more get in and find a way of causing mischief - NOT whether continue to fight in a civil war overseas or not.

2) Bush keeps trying to couch this war in conventional terms, as if this is a conventional war, which it clearly is not. There will be no invasion force of terrorists as long as we have good human and cargo border security. Bush wants us to keep envisioning those old B&W newsreeels of creeping fascism moving in waves across the globe and closing on the United States. That's not how terrorism works, and it never will.

3) The implication that innocents dying in Iraq, or Iran, or France, or wherever is somehow preferable to innocents dying in America...Hell, the war that has rained down on the heads of the average Iraqi is at least as evil as the deaths of civilians in Oklahoma City or the WTC. Nobody likes terrorism except the terrorist - are we saying that Iraq somehow deserves it's war in some way? If the terrorists only goal is the destruction of America, why is it better for Iraqi civilians to die in that fight than for American civilians?