Looks like abstinence doesn't work....


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18093769/

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!

"Officials said one lesson they learned from the study is that the abstinence message should be reinforced in subsequent years to truly affect behavior."

NO, preaching abstinence to teens is STUPID!!!!!!!! You can preach abstinnence to every kid in america and even show them REAL PICTURES OF STD infected genitalia and they will still have sex! Teens and young adults ARE GOING TO HAVE SEX!!!! So parents, just face the facts! Your 17 year old daughter is not as pure as you think she is. How about teaching about Protection like condoms ect?????? Now theres a novel idea. Teaching abstinence is sooooo ridiculous, wake up and face reality, TEENS ARE HAVING SEX, yes they are doing the hibity dibity, the humpty dumpty, the wild thing!

You are correct beano, but according to the article, 14.5 is the year most teens are losing their virginity. That seems awful young to me(and NO Im not prude, so don't even start!) I think Condoms should be preached in schools not abstinence because Beano is right, teens are having sex, and to think that preaching abstinence will help is insane.

We should both teach abstinence AND teach kids about condoms, assuming that we want these kids to practice safe sex when they grow up. Abstinence itself works great (when practiced) for preventing disease and pregnancy, but a sex education system based primarily on wishful thinking about abstinence is stupid and as is now being shown, worthless.

Andrew

If a boy is practicing abstinence, chances are he's also practicing pornography and will likely take this into his marriage. That's what abstinence does.

I read some where, Utah has a big online pornography problem with its boys. Does that Surprise You?

Oh COME ON CRAIG!!! I would bet you that 95% of all teenage guys look at porn on the computer often, even the ones that are sexually active and are Not practicing abstinence. I can think of a lot worse that is corrupting our childs youth. Here is a question is Pornography really that bad? Is masterbating to porn really that bad? I think its healthy. At least when you masterbate to porn you can't get anyone pregnant and its pretty much impossible to get an
STD. A little smut aint gonna hurt anyone right????

Trouble is, many men can't stop fantasizing with pornography after they get married. This might sound strange to some when you have the real thing in bed. I've read, there is some evidence that suggests a percentage of men miss masturbating to porn alone after they enter a marriage or relationship.

http://blogs.webmd.com/sexual-health-sex-matters/2006/02/cybersex-and-pornograph y-online.html

Good grief! this thread is FUNNY!

Well, there is nothing wrong with porn. Nothing wrong with it married or not. The only reason Utah has a porn problem is they have a bunch of seriously repressed males walking around. Kind of goes with the culture. That's my opinion, I could be wrong!

Agreed with Andrew. Either teach all of it, or let it be discovery time, but don't just teach a coupla things hoping for control. That's way less than honest and your average teen will pick up on this. They get angry and rebel when they do.

(See how Utah works now?)

...and if the men miss their one on one time with the mag, and are married, they are just stupid.

My teens have been taught it all. If they ask, they are gonna get answers. So far, they've chosen to wait. Pretty dangerous scene. Better to take the risks with people that matter and that can be trusted. --and when they know they can handle all that comes with it. Having been well educated, they know there is a whole lot more to it than just feeling good for the evening.

I find it very interesting my very conservative neighbor is having a nicely sized problem with teen sex too! It does make me wonder some.

Sex education does start at home.

We have been very open and honest with our teenage girl and pre-teen son. But it's not only about sex it's about relationships. Many social implications need to be talked about, plus we have examples from extended family on what happens if you have sex before you're ready. Makes for great conversation.

We are fortunate that our daughter is going through the proper stages of her sexual development. At home she's a bit of exhibitionist because her body is changing and she feels safe at home to express herself. NO WAY would she do this in front of anyone else, at least not at this time in her life. It's a wonderful discovery and in it's proper context very healthy.


We know our kids are only getting a partial education at school and they also know they know more about their sexual organs in a healthy way than most of their classmates because some parents struggle with this topic at home.

It's another joy of parenting and can create an even deeper love between parent and child.

Craig, it's perfectly normal and natural for men to desire other women even if they are happily married and strongly attracted to their wives. That's how men are wired. Their sexual desire for women other than their wives doesn't suddenly switch off when they meet the future Mrs. That's why porn is so pervasive - it's an outlet. Fantasizing about other women is completely normal. Some would say porn is healthy (as long as it's not an obsession or addiction) if it keeps a husband from straying from his wife.

Monogamy itself is not necessarily easy and often requires strong commitment and hard work, just like marriage itself. The fact that a married man may look at porn or think about other women doesn't mean there is anything wrong with his marriage or that he doesn't love his wife.

Andrew

Andrew: Yes! What you are saying is true but a lot women have a problem with this and computers make it so easy! No hidden magazine under the bed. It's all very tidy until it's uncovered.

I think that Porn can become VERY ADDICTIVE, just like an alcoholic addiction, or a drug addiction. You're still getting that "high" from masterbating to porn, just like a coke head is getting his high from his drugs. The internet has made things worse with easy access to free videos and smutty images. Suddenly a 30 minute episode of porn watching a night becomes a 3 hour episode of porn watching and then it gets out of control and half of the day is spent watching porno on the computer. I'm no Dr. Phil but I would guess a lot of marriges are broken up because the husband is more interested in watching "Bambi" take her clothes off on the internet than have sex with his wife.

Justin-Just so you know the biggest breakup of marriages today is about money. Not to say porn hasn't done its part.

Porn addiction, like any other addiction, is indeed very dangerous, and you're quite right that the internet has made things worse for internet porn "junkies." Thank goodness I'm not a porn addict, because I am definitely an internet addict!!!

However, I make a distinction between porn addiction and enjoying porn once in a while, even if you are married. Some couples enjoy it together. I do think that some women are too uptight about this, and it's unfortunate that they aren't aware of their future husband's interest in porn until after she's married him and is then SHOCKED at this. Some women have this naive idea that a man can turn off his attraction to other women as soon as he says "I do." It simply doesn't work that way for most men. Of course, there's a big distinction between a married man looking at other women (in a magazine with her clothes off or in real life, fully clothed) and actually cheating on his wife. Vows of monogamy should be honored and respected or there's no point in getting married, in my view. (And if you want an "open marriage" good luck making that work, although it's none of my business if you want to try.)

Andrew

Dont forget how porn affects the women involved. Many who are forced into it.

I wasn't celebrating porn at all. It's not something most parents would want their daughters getting involved. The fact is, it exists, it's a multi-billion dollar industry that a lot of people indulge in and obviously people are willing to be paid to perform in it. It's not just perverts in raincoats creating this multi-billion dollar industry. Lots of "regular" people (including presumably many churchgoers) are customers.

And I dispute your assertion that "many" women are "forced" into it. I'm not an expert on porn, but I believe that's your opinion, more of an urban legend, not an established fact. You can find people in many professions who are "forced" into them if you look hard enough.

Andrew

Some women will indulge in just about anything, to save their marriage.

No woman should have to "indulge" in something she dislikes or finds disgusting just to "save" her marriage. Instead, she should learn before she marries a guy that he likes this kind of stuff or not instead of finding out afterward and then being shocked later. However, I've met more than one woman who actually LIKES porn - it's not just a male thing, although I concede more men than women seem to be consumers of it.

Andrew

Ditto.

There are Women who enjoy watching Porn??? Wow thats shocking to me. Women are programed sooooo much different than guys. Men are physical and like to get it on whenever they can, and I have yet to ever hear of a guy turn down sex. Yet Women are more emotional and like to talk about their feelings and all that other crap.

When SOME women are making 4-5 movies a year and making 7 figures, I don't think ALL of them are FORCED.
I watched a documentary about the porn industry last week and they showed some of the girl's houses. WOW!
If someone payed me to hump girls all day long I'd do it.......
Unless my wife found out....

How about if your wife was asked to do it and get paid?

Women in porn make a lot less than men,(except for a few big namers) plus women in porn have a limited shelf life. Once they start getting wrinkles or sattle bags they are kicked to the curb. Men on the other hand can have a long lusterous carrer in porn going way into their 50's and 60's. Women on the other hand are thrown out at around 40.

This is what I DON'T understand. Pretty much every religion thinks that premarital sex is sinful and masterbation is sinful especially when masterbating to porn. So According to the bible we are supposed to live in a sexually repressed society where the thought of touching or exploring our own genitals is sinful, unless we are married of course.

This is what I DON'T understand. Pretty much every religion thinks that premarital sex is sinful and masterbation is sinfull especially when masterbating to porn. So According to the bible we are supposed to live in a sexually repressed society where the thought of touching or exploring our own genitals is sinful, unless we are married of course.

Yep!

However, if you get down to it, "according to the Bible", we're not to approach women during their periods, AND, according to an earlier Bible, we're supposed to beat women and children, . . .

I think its safe to say that if you ignore the Bible and live a life without causing harm to anyone else, you'll probably pass muster at the Pearly Gates if there is actually a God.

"Sex and Responsibility" should have been the title of that TV show (that I never watched).

The bible is filled with x-rated language. It was simply part of the story telling process particularly in the Old Testament.

The bible does not say don't masturbate or you'll go to hell. Nor does Jesus give us any real guidelines when it comes to sex. There were more important moral issues on Jesus' mind.

So its ok to masterbate to Porn before getting married?

Absolutely.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! IM NOT GOING TO HELL!!!!! THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!(hi mom)

Think about it Beano!!!! If it was not ok to masterbate before getting married than every guy in this country would be going to hell!! By the way, you're still going to hell, for other things not mentioned.

Tell us more!

If you're like me, you peed on the roof of a church once (unintentionally!) which means that a little herky jerky is the least of your worries...

Ever have your parents walk in on you as your doin a little herky Jerky?? Now I'm no Dr. Phil, but i can only imagine that an incident like that can cause perminant psychological scars.

and blindness for your parents!

No. This is just one of those things you do what it takes to not happen.

How about when the kids walk in when you and your spouse are having sex.

Reminds of a comic strip I saw where one of the kids says "Hey daddy's winning!"

New Sexual Study: Men looked at Face before Genitals. Find out what Women looked at first:

http://www.wgal.com/health/12083505/detail.html

Teaching Math ...1950-2007

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s goes like this......

1. Teaching Math In 1950:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

2. Teaching Math In 1960:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990:

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes (There are no wrong answers) ?

6. Teaching Math In 2007:

Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

Um Andy you just hijacked the thread!

Andy, you are right. It is pathetic. So are service jobs. She is probably on a draconian POS system that needs to have every dime exactly right or she and her five kids with five daddies don't even get hamburgers. That means that she had to key in the eight cents to begin with, or risk the wrath of corporate. With everything but a cavity search routine in retail, trembling clerks seem pretty normal these days. Of course, the Paxilbots are more efficient, but they never really smile. That is bad for business.

Knuckle children commit no crimes, need no schooling and never keep you awake at night. Ah, back on topic.