I just learned that my old friend Ernie Hopseker, has sold KSND to the owners of "La Panterra" , for an unspecifired amount. Regards to him and Karen.

Bout time it went Spanish

That's awesome! Whatta guy. Burns through every good employeee possible and then turns "Salem's FM" over to Spanish radio, dumping all of it's listeners.
Gotta love America.
A few more millions of jack for old ern to stash away. Good for him. Bad for Salem and Mid-Willamette Valley and a lot of good people.

hmmm, does this mean he won't be getting back to me?

Don Coss really needs to stick to what he is good at and that is ownership of spanish stations. I would imagine that it will flip to spanish. But in all seriousness Don that investment in Portland Wrestling was a huge mistake as Frank Culbertson was and always has been a bona fide dildo.

Last August a thread said KSND was sold to Bustos for three million dollars. It was not true.

It's confirmed in the Portland Business Journal

Spanish radio station expands
Portland Business Journal - 2:21 PM PDT Tuesday, April 3, 2007
Spanish radio station La Pantera KWBY-AM 940 has purchased KSND-FM 95.1, which it will convert to a Mexican music format.

Terms were not disclosed. Both stations are based in Woodburn. KWBY-AM can be heard throughout the Portland area. Listeners can get KSND-FM on the dial in Washington County.

The stations will offer live, local and family-oriented programming.

Nearly 10 percent of Oregon's population is Hispanic, according to the 2005 U.S. Census, up from 8 percent in 2000.

Wow...in less than a week the FM dial gets 2 Spanish (potential) stations! Sorry I did'nt take more high school spanish!

What Station is the other FM that went spanish?

KTRO-FM 93.1. I'm a little confused about a 2005 census. I thought they were taken on even decades.

KSND is going spanish, now all pdx stations will go spanish!

Does anyone know when 95.1 might be making the flip?

Seems like a lot of spanish stations for a statewide population of only 10 percent. The other 90 won't sample it. Mucho dinero for a limited market base.

There are about 280 Licensed Stations in the State of Oregon. Only 16 out of the 280 are Spanish stations counting the one mentioned in this string (KKJX KMUZ KRDM KRTA KSZN KTMT KWBY KWIP KXMG KXPD KZTB KXPD KXOR KSND-FM KTRO-FM KLZS). This is about 6% Spanish stations in Oregon. So proportionally, we need about 12 more Spanish stations.

Hispanic listeners are much more loyal radio users than the general population.

how many pies to sell to a small audience?

Notalent, I was thinking the same thing. Might be a small pie, but it's well differentiated. Likely to be a great buy for those serving that audience.

All Access reports: Donald D. Coss' 94 Country, Inc. bought KSND for $1.7 Million.

There was more to this story but it's old news here.

I would've thought KSND was worth about more than that.
That's a good deal.

So KSND won't change its format to spanish?

No. They will be a live 24/7 full service community oriented station. The format will be the best of yesterday and today with an emphasis on local events

I hope so, Roger!

Will the broadcasting studios move from Salem to Woodburn when KSND goes Spanish?

Wait...I am hearing two things.......will it be Spanish or not?

"Nearly 10 percent of Oregon's population is Hispanic, according to the 2005 U.S. Census, up from 8 percent in 2000."

According to that same census, 3.4% is Asian and 1.8% is Black. Immigrants from Eastern Europe are lumped in with the White persons category and have no special designation. The number of Spanish language stations continues to increase for the 9.9% Latino population (KTRO-FM is merely one of the latest.) There is a station in Portland (KBMS) that leans toward the "Black" audience, but there is no station that I'm aware of that caters to the Asian or the East Eurpoean communities.

I find it interesting that this society, the radio business included, really picks and chooses which groups that they will acknowledge. Hispanics can keep their native language and customs, but Asians and other minorities are expected to adapt to the existing language and customs.

It doesn't make sense for a apanish station to buy another station and change it to spanish. Why would Don want to change it to spanish. That's a very bad idea. He should stay with an english format, maybe jazz or classical and let Churchil get a better grasp of the Latino Audience in the willamette valley.

Could it be that hispanics are more loyal and attached to their culture? Perhaps because they live closer to home and have a better chance, or more opportunities, at going back to their home countries to visit friends and family than immigrants from accross the sea. Maybe because they are more family oriented than other cultures are. Maybe they are so proud and attached to thei roos and culture that they keep listening to spanish music, watching spanish tv, and speak more spanish at home and pass the culture on their children. Radio owners who interpret this correctly also see the potential of this ever growing community. In the end, in thsi capitalist country, it's all about the money. That's what's so attractive about the United States of America. A free country. Eat what we can afford to eat. Buy what we can afford to buy. And so; we have the right to listen to what ever type of music we like.

Woodburn radio stations to provide Spanish-language AM/FM combo

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007704040359

I wonder if they'll simulcast?

Are we comparing the total amount of Hispanics with the total amount of Asians? There's only one Spanish language whereas there are multiple Asian languages. If there comes a time when Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese or etc has 11% of the market, I'm sure that nationality will have its own stations.

Just a thought, slam away, but aren't we drifting back to a "separate but equal" society that the civil rights movement fought so hard to get rid of?

Actually, while Oregon is 10% Hispanic/Latino in make up, the same census numbers mentioned above also show that in Marion County, where KSND is located, the Hispanic population is 21% and growing rapidly. In Salem alone the Hispanic population grew by approx. 13,000 between 2000 and 2006. I wouldn't consider that a small audience.

Most radio operators would be very happy to broadcast nearly exclusively to a fifth of the people in a well populated area.

They make lots of babies, that's how they're changing America's profile. Lot's of anchor babies.

Thanks to them humanity will never extinct.

Estado de Oregon. La nuevo Estada de Mexico.

Bien. muy bien.

since no one has asked, where will GENO
SCOTT and CHARLIE go? Doc is gonna retire in JUL, what will happen to salem mornings?

Doc Nelson retire from radio? Thot he would die behind the microphone like I plan too...

They'll learn to speak Spanish and continue to work for KSND!

no they won't.
no the sad thing once again in this situation is geno who I believe to be a stand up guy, is one in a long list to be burned by that owner.
Sorry geno.
Sorry Salem, the so called "New Sound of Salem" was a crock of crap. Money talks.
Like he needed more money.
Don Coss won't be retaining the current staff according to my source.
As for Doc, rick, when I see it I will believe it. He will never give up radio, he is a great guy but loves to be on the air too much to give it up.
All this talk on this thread about spanish and hispanic listeners is all well and good, but the main thrust of this thread is that KSND sold to a Spanish language company and no one seems to care that the people of Salem-Keizer, still are not being served by an FM.
A good friend with the City of Salem told me just last night how upset he was to lose KSND only because he knew that he could call in new stories and traffic updates and get a live body unlike KYKN and KCCS. That was the one redeeming value of KSND, it was live and local for the most part, which is what this town needs.
KBZY has it's audience and always will, but not a huge one and not the young ones. KSND had the possibility to be HUGE, but it was a failure.
That is what this thread should address. IMHO

"KSND had the possibility to be HUGE, but it was a failure. That is what this thread should address. IMHO"

Very true! Salem is an important city, separate from Portland, and they should have at least one local (English) voice on the FM band. If KXPC's owners had half a brain, they would turn 103.7 into a Salem station.

Charlie, Scott & Geno deserve the chance to continue serving the radio listeners of Salem!

What sad little peiple you are! also, racist and small minded. Why should it be english? even if the whole of Salem weren't 21% hispanic, why should it be english? your poor way of thinking is why Salem gets a bad wrap of being white trash, most likely a worthy wrap.

if you english and grammmer mad skilz r rezult of salem school, then u so rite!

Oh, and could you please add some Fire Sauce™ to my Crunch Wrap Supreme™.

Aren't you the cute little chica Mrs. M? Nice of you to join in on a relevent conversation. Maybe I spelled wrap incorrectly, but, are you going to defend those who seem to think it's a mistake for someone to support the hispanic market? that would be what your last post would imply!

Yes, Salem should also have at least one local Spanish-language FM.

ooh this got ugly....

Maybe people are just venting a bit because another station went in the dumper for cash only.

Not because he couldn't make it work, only for the money at the end. Radio has a big problem with people who really have no interest in operating a radio station per se. They see it as a way to turn a buck. Kind of like flipping real estate. Who gets left out are the passionate people who wind up trying to stay a part of a business that they love, and the listeners who get cheated out of a reliable place to set their radio dial.

The question is Which station is the next one to pull this same crap?

heypdxpc:
stay in pdx please.
we redneck kkk aryan stormtroopers in Salem like things the way they are.
Geez what a maroon.
Thank you Roger for voicing what I was obviously saying, but some people are too ignorant to read.
The fact that another station is lost in the name of greed is the point. Not the format. And as for racism, are there not three spanish stations within a 40 mile radius of Nazi Salem? Hmm, that seems to be pretty good coverage. Where is the equality in that? My folks would like an oldies station. My friends would like an easy listening station. Are they being fairly represented in radio? You are the problem when it comes to racism. "White Trash"? You are a sad person. And as mrs merkin so aptly inferred, poorly educated too.

It is commendable that Ernie brought FM radio back to Salem, after losing its only FM station to Portland. I blame that on the FCC.

After building a live and local station in Salem, Ernie should have wanted to sell it to someone who would continue KSND.

Did all Ernie care about was selling KSND to the highest bidder?

>>Did all Ernie care about was selling KSND to the highest bidder?<<

He was part of the partnership that moved KJUN and then sold it to Salem, netting them a pile of cash.

So it could very well be that he took his share of the KJUN proceeds to do the same with KSND - this time not sharing it with three others.

There are only so many people interested in buying a radio station for one thing, especially in a market that close to a major city. I am sure if someone local offered to buy it and keep the format, he would have sold it to them. But you have no control over what format a prospective new owner wants. I know Ernie didn't make much on this sale. When you count the hours you spend putting it together and operating it, and your labor is worth nothing, then you may have lost money in reality.
If local businesses would have supported the station more it would have helped. It is tough to keep pouring money down a rat hole when income dosen't meet expenses.
Roger said
"Not because he couldn't make it work, only for the money at the end. Radio has a big problem with people who really have no interest in operating a radio station per se. They see it as a way to turn a buck. Kind of like flipping real estate. Who gets left out are the passionate people who wind up trying to stay a part of a business that they love, and the listeners who get cheated out of a reliable place to set their radio dial."
Roger, Ernie has been involved with radio all his adult life as a dj, Chief engineer and owner of more than one station. He loves radio and he wanted KSND to succeed. I wonder if you think he should have just kept on losing money so that he could employ dj's? Would you if you were in the drivers seat? I think not. Radio is a business just like any other one no matter how you romanticize it.

"Radio is a business just like any other one no matter how you romanticize it." THAT is exactly what it is. Radio is a business we all are passionate about, but it is a business.
Question. Do stations that offer music in PDX cover Salem with their signals? Yes, and listeners have proven that they prefer the PDX signals and if you are going to be a Salem station you need to be more of a full service station to stand out and I don't think that KSND was going to be able to do that really well without the financial support of the community. As far as the purchase, Koss is trying to protect himself and time will tell if he was able to do it effectively. So it does come back to previous quote. "Radio is a business just like any other one no matter how you romanticize it."

I do know of Ernies background. That I applaud. I also thought that KSND was a good move. Anyone who has been around the business for a long time knows how long it takes to grow the business. Pitching the station to the community is the toughest sell. That takes time, and a willingness to be a part of the community that you serve. If you dug up earlier threads when he put KSND in place, nearly everyone applauded the move. He hired some solid people... the programming was fine... The Sales side was slow to hop on board. It seemed like a lack of short term results led to some bad decisions. The only thing that I felt truly lacking was the stations prescence around town. BE PART OF AND EVENT, OR CREATE ONE. Maybe early on, there should have been live location broadcasts. Free if you have to. It shows that you are part of the community. Maybe you broadcast live from the local Walk for life event. Does it make money? No, but you're now a part of the event and community, Now the next promotion a local business wants to do is an easier sell... You grow from there.

As for losing money so he can continue to employ DJs...Very Myopic of you to think that. Some companies do quite well, and are grossly understaffed. Those I have a problem with. An air staff is only one leg of the stool. A solid relateable airstaff is what SELLS the station to the listener. Don't think for one minute airstaff isn't selling every time they open the mic.
Promotions and Sales go hand in hand. If a business doesn't have an event worth selling, then a good salesman and a good promotion, can come up with one to benefit both the business and the station. Finally management needs to create a station that is an important part of the community. Supporting charitable events, creating an environment that is uniquely of interest to the community and the region, and creating an athmosphere that the business community can embrace. It all goes together and it takes time.

Now, maybe the goal all along was to move it in get it established, then sell it for a profit.

Maybe it was to be his goal in life. If that was the case then what failed was some aspect of the three things above. Did Sales fail to create relationships within the business community? Was management unfocused? Was the airstaff unrelateable to the local audience? For whatever reason KSND did not meet someones expectations. I doubt that the region would be better served with another hipanic station. That of course is a management decision. Ernie didn't think hispanic was the way to go.

Unfortunate people seem to think some of us howl over every sale or format flip because some profit sucking DJ loses their job. Even more unfortunate that so many management people see DJs as just that rather than an important part of the overall station presentation!

Air people are not there to suck profits from the poor station. A good airstaff sells the station as much as the sales department. All the slick positioners, billboards and liners promoting the bestest, mostest, favoritest, music featuring huge giagantic commercial free blocks 'o rock with no annoying dj chatter, creates a juke box that lacks warmth and the personal connection. You can't create a great station without great people.

Dodger was right KSND burned through some good people. If it was financial only then those things happen, but you can't point to the airtalents who went through there as the reason the station didn't fly as high as hoped.

Yes I too am sorry some good people are looking for another gig. makes it harder for others who are looking as well. But hey I feel for every Pd who loses out in a format flip (well some of them)
I feel for the news guys, the sales and promotions people who have to find new jobs.......

I feel for the people at Hoover who just lost their jobs. And the guys at Ford, GM, Goodyear, Circuit city........ I feel for any working stiff who gets the boot, while upper management types still get theirs whether they need it or not. Yet, in some cases, they are the ones who F***ed up in the first place.

Somehow, I don't recall any dj who ever tanked a station by their decisions

OH MY GOD YOU PLAYED AN ABBA SONG AND ALL THE LISTENERS WANTED TO HEAR BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN IN THAT POSITION YOU'VE RUINED US!!!!!!! I KNEW WE SHOULD HAVE GONE JOCKLESS IN THAT DAYPART!

What about KSND's rimshot signal in Salem? How much of an impact did it have?

KSND had a rough start in Salem, which didn't exactly help things.

Over the last few months, KSND had started to come together. Scott & Geno in the morning, were actually sounding good.

The real problem why the station could not survive, is that Salem is not rated by itself and KSND does not cover Portland to get any arbitron numbers. So it must of been hard to get Agency money which i believe a station needs to survive.

I said "I wonder if you think he should have just kept on losing money so that he could employ dj's?" I should have said I wonder if you think he should have kept on losing money so that he could employ others. I didn't mean to imply that it was the dj's fault.

My stock investments are now in "Reverbs-R-Us"

Actually if KSND had been able to "own" Salem when it comes to ratings it would have showed up. I understand Rogers' comments which again focus' on the business side. The sales team or those leading them couldn't make it happen to the level it may have needed to be. Most format flips tend to be more about revenues than low ratings. Though low ratings certainly don't help sales. On-air staff tend to get the brunt on sales failures.

Spring-Summer of 2004, the 6a-10a daypart, according to the Eastlan ratings that were ordered by ksnd, was dominated by ksnd 12+.
That is information that never got out to the public and was not utilized by the sales team as there was no sales manager. The ratings were non existent after the 10am hour.

Hey radioexpert
You're right "The Good Doctor" will stay on-the-air as long as I can, just a few less hours around the old radio station. I want to do more community stuff.

WE PROBABLY HAVE COVERED THIS BEFORE...but now with the advent of the ERNIE / DON news, just for fun...lets play ERNIE. How would you have done it, what would be different, keep in mind the mighty blast of FM signals in Salem from PDX...what format would you choose, and if some one thing didn't work, you didn't show in ratings, or sales didn't pop, what would you do to fix it? Be real. Finally, how much would you be willing to unload in your own personal cash to make it work?
ALOHA.

Already stated my position.....

Your turn.

Rick- I'll take a stab;
I think they went with a good format choice. A kind of AAA/Adult Contemporary mix. The "future" of Salem is with the 34+ group. Keizer is a big version of Tualatin/Tigard. So that was okay.

Air staff? Great initial choices. Jeff Clarke, who can go wrong with that? Dodger did a great job as well, perfect in the afternoon drive spot. Or evenings. Actually wherever they put him. Good news folks. A "downtown" location, with good visibility. A really good base to grow from. All in all, I thought the initial concept was pretty spot on right from the begining.

What would I do different? I would have had more patience. And done some of what Roger talked about; promotion. Get the word out. Be visible in the whole community. And hang in there.

Hot AC would've been my format choice, due to it's wide appeal. I would've launched the station with well-researched programming and imaging...and of course, a solid morning show. I also would've created a high-quality station logo for the banners at live remotes, stickers, t-shirts, etc. I would've had the station out on the streets, as often as possible.

So when do they flip to spanish?

man-yanna A-meego.

Any new "Salem" radio station has a long uphill climb, period. It wouldn't matter if Rick Dees and Broadway Bill Lee were on air live from Liberty Plaza, or what the format was...people in Salem have their radio choices already made, and most of them listen to something from Portland. Competing on that level would have required not only Portland quality (or better) personalities and programming but also a buttload of promotion! (Promoting in a market with no local TV, and relatively low cable penetration, that is.)

And while you're draining your capital pool paying for all that, you've got to get a sales staff that can actually SELL Radio! To do that requires a very strong sales manager who can lead and train. Sales in Salem are made on a local/direct level...you're not just taking orders from the agencies. You have to go out and meet the business people, develop relationships and explain why their business needs radio when they've lived without it since Q105 left...or why they should pay $20 a spot when KYKN will give it to them for $3. That's where Ernie had his first big challenges...bad Sales Managers. And with income coming nowhere close to expenses, he started tinkering with anything he could think of -- right or wrong.

It would be possible, but a ton of hard work and a lot of money to get a successful Salem-only radio station. A guy with Paul Allen-like resources and the patience of Yoda might have had a chance. Ernie did the best he could with what he had. Good for him that he was able to get out now. Much longer, and he and Larry Bohnsack would be conducting "How to Run a Radio Station on $10,000 a Year" seminars.

I bet Ernie is going to take his 1.5M and put toward the upcoming 98.3fm app process coming to the mid valley in the next few years (that he has encouraged behind the scenes)...so...as Arnold says...I'll be back...

Broadway said "I bet Ernie is going to take his 1.5M and put toward the upcoming 98.3fm app process coming to the mid valley in the next few years (that he has encouraged behind the scenes)..."

I doubt that highly. Isn't that going to be a non-com frequency?

To Ricksalemradio,
Too bad Ernie started his run in Salem with Carl Widing at the controls - especially with Widing's 1.6 share 12+ during one ARB while programming (if you can call it that) KXL-FM several years ago. 'Nuff said.

If that's the same guy who was at KINK when they used to be listenable, I'd look instead at whatever format KXL-FM had. As I recall, that is, or was, a rap station.

Herb

88.1 to 91.9 fm is reserved for non-commercial use for non-profit organizations. I think this was stated before that some non profit group wanted it to be non-comm but the FCC has never stated. 98.3 will be a mid valley freg up for the highest bidder in the new way a acquiring new stations and now Ernie has some money to work with...just my guess.

Herb,
Yes, Widing was at KINK. He changed the format on KXL-FM from Hot AC to a KINK clone in the late 1990s. It didn't work, hence you now have a Hip Hop station. Widing may be shearing sheep in Aurora nowadays, but he's now a radio station owner (technically, KHSN Coos Bay is his. He paid all of $500 for it from New Northwest Broadcasters a few years ago).

I believe the issue was that there was no frequency available in the non-com part of the band for that area. The FCC will allow non-coms in the rest of the band. Seems like they didn't want not-for-profit groups to have to bid against for-profit broadcasters. They were left trying to resolve that I think.

Then if it's the same guy, he did a great job at KINK. I just remember there were a bunch of changes in KXL-FM's format. It seemed that every time I hit their dial, there was a totally different type of music. That's why I think their problems were probably higher up the food chain. KINK used to be outstanding.

Herb

Whatever "magic" he had at KINK, didn't translate to 95.5 KXL-FM. Putting this guy in the PD chair at KSND, didn't make any sense.

....Too bad Ernie started his run in Salem with Carl Widing at the controls -

Carl wasn't the first choice, but he was "LOCAL" and a somewhat known commodity... however, It still comes down to not making the connection with the community. Sales, promotions failed... did the programming fail as well? was signal coverage also partly to blame? many factors involved with no one place to point the finger.

As for the mex format the cost will be factored in, revenues will be a guesstimate but I bet the new station will run leaner in personnel expenses than E.H. did...

Best for success for everyone, but I do hope that the successes sometimes trickle down to the guys in the trenches

As of midnight on Thursday morning, I do not hear Spanish on 95.1. Johnny Hates Jazz's "Shattered Dreams" is playing.

Does anyone know when the format will flip?

as far as expenses of running KSND after a format flip, its called simulcast.

"SIMULCAST" ah yes, a lovely word indeed and savior to a bloated radio spectrum. However, the bite of the simulcast bug is more deadly to a broadcast career than that of the voicetrack or colorful syndicated program virus. The CDC is looking into an antivenom to combat the effects of these horrible killers...............

Simulcasting KWBY and KSND makes sense. Both stations have different broadcasting areas.

Actually its pretty much the same area.

Go to radio-locator.com. Look at the coverage maps for both stations.

I understand what your saying but for what they are trying to reach, the FM covers that they are already covering. They are duplicating the main area of coverage that is important to them. Salem/Woodburn, not increasing it.

KSND is still on the air with live DJs. If I didn't go to pdxradio.com, I wouldn't have a clue the station is going off the air.

Yes, it must be difficult for those on the air, knowing that the end is near.

KSND is my favorite station. They almost have my perfect playlist. When they flip, I will be stuck with SERIUS Big '80s, which I can't listen to in the car (came with DishNetwork).

Article in the Tuesday 4-24-07 Statesman Journal

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070424/NEWS/7042403 37

Quote from above article:

Hopseker, who plans to move to the Oregon Coast, said that change is constant in a "fluid business" such as radio.

"Radio stations change hands fairly often," Hopseker said. "This is not a terribly unusual occurrence."

Interesting.
So: why did you have to come into the market and blow up several good person's lives and leave a bad taste in the communitie's mouth just so you could retire? Why not do what many very smart and talented people advised you to do at the beginning, hire good people then go to your home on the beach and collect your money? The first part was done, but you just couldn't pull off the second part.
You could have had retirement with an income stream.
You had a GM, GSM, PD and talented airstaff that were ready to lay down their lives to make this thing happen, all for nothing.
Good luck, good bye.
To Charlie/Dave and Geno: sorry man. Hope you got a deal or you speak spanish or at least you get to help mr. coss with the switch out.

I wonder if there are enough loyal listeners that Don Coss may see a backlash of sorts? As the station is very publicly accessible being in the Liberty Plaza Building. If Don Coss has deep enough pockets could we see him also purchase the Liberty Plaza building and rename it La Pantera Plaza with a building full of Hispanic owned and geared business?

NONE of us should be surprised by this. KSND never found it's voice and never made any kind of impact in Salem...heck, Newport for that matter. Sounds like we can attribute that to poor management?

See Dodger's post above. He was there, he knows.

I'll say it again. We live in a capitalist country. If you can find a way of making money legally, take advantage of it. If Mr Coss can move KSND into Portland I think he should and then sell it for a big profit and then Retire. If KSND's current DJs are talented they shouldn't have a problem finding another job. If they can't find one, they should move on to something they can do better.

..."If KSND's current DJs are talented they shouldn't have a problem finding another job. If they can't find one, they should move on to something they can do better."

WOW. There are so many things wrong in this line of thinking.

Point one....Whole boat load of talented people having trouble finding another.....

Point two.... When you spend time making a career choice and honing your talents, first Why should they have to move on, secondly, in many cases people who can do something better usually do.

Here's what I want you to do for a fun experiment.

Go ten different places, 10 different jobs, fill out an application and under employment history, only list 10 years of radio jobs. 1 job 10 years, 10 jobs 1 year each doesn't matter but only list radio announcer as employment.

Now, check back in here in two weeks and tell us how many interviews you got. and the types of jobs you applied for.

Nobody gives a rats ass how much money anyone makes, however when one becomes a business owner it also involves a certain level of social responsibility, whether it's employing local people, buying supplies from local businesses, or interacting with the community.

We, as a country are suffering because of an unrelenting stream of buys, moves, consolidations, slash, burn, and outsource...

Deregulation in any industry never results in the promises that were made. Every had your bank bought out and your branch closed? Is gasoline cheaper now that most of the indies are weeded out and Exxon/Mobil and the other mergers have taken effect? Utility rates go down after dereg? phone bill? Talk to Bob in Mangalore India with a service question? More people working at Entercom Cumulus,or clear channel than there were as stand alones?

Just asking?

Yes, it would be wonderful if we lived in a "Kum-ba-ya" world where employers would recognize and appreciate the selfless contributions and talents of their employees, but this certainly doesn't apply to radio, or any "JOB" for that matter. By willing to be an "employee" you relinquish control of your destiny to an "employer"...period. It's your responsibility to have other options available, in case the bottom falls out of your current situation. So, Roger, I agree and disagree with your statement.

My point is you don't have to be a cold hard ass to be successful. We've all seen features on great employers. I once read a quote from the CEO of Starbucks who said (paraphrasing) "our employees deserve a wage that allows them to afford a place to live. And we've all seen slash and burn mergers with no thought given to the people who work for them.

I don't expect benevolence...Nor tolerate an "every last nickel then one more" greed driven mindset. Neither makes for a stable environment.

"And we've all seen slash and burn mergers with no thought given to the people who work for them." - Hm, like when that multinational conglomerate bought out Coffee People and just shut down nearly all of the stores? Who was that? Oh yeah, Starbucks.

Not that I disagree with you... I just have issues with Starbucks.

not an SB fan either... just happened to read that quote a few days ago and it fit with what I was trying to convey. Not a thought that the Walmart or Target CEO would utter. Circuit City employees don't seem to need a living wage either.

I miss original Coffee People! I used to make fun of the owners mugs on the mugs, but darn it, they were good.

They also made some very tasty shakes!

"however when one becomes a business owner it also involves a certain level of social responsibility"

Actually it involves no more social responsibility than it takes to be an employee.

as an employee, especially in radio, you MUST be responible enough to yourself and your family to be prepared when your current situation inevitably changes.

In this society and especially in radio you can not say "i will only have one job my whole life" or "i will only do one thing my whole life"

You are socially responsable to adapt and contribute wherever in whatever way it takes to exist in the lifestyle of your choosing.

saying that a business owner is responsable for your plight is handing over the keys to your life to a complete stranger!! And as we all know in radio there have really been some strange ones!!

No different than expecting that the government should take care of you because of repeated failure to be self responsible for your existance.

I understand why you think this way. We are fully immersed in a self centered culture with a very high level of expectations.

that being said the beauty of this culture is that you truly can do whatever you want.

however the old rule of actions having consequences never got suspended.

If you choose as a carees something YOU like, YOU have to BE PREPARED if what you like does not like you, have a job for you, or does not want to pay you what you feel you are worth.

the business owner nor the government can not and should not be responsible for you choosing as a career something that is not working out well for you.

If you insist on doing what you like doing then you have two choices....

Find a way to make it meet your needs on your own by being self employed...

or

Find something else you like doing that you can get someone to pay you to do.

Ernie was quoted in the Newport News Times saying that the local competition was just too harsh. (with 3 other operations in town) What was he expecting in Salem with all the competiton from Portland, Salem, and Albany?

a profitable environment to sell ads until he could find a buyer. It's what he does...

He buys small stations, fixes them up and sells them for a profit. He's done it several times and will probably do it again...

just like fixing up a run down house and selling it.

No surprises here.

different perspective, but you put words in my mouth and came to a conclusion that I wasn't making.

If the society is becoming every man for himself then everyone needs to be self reliant...willing to step on anyone to get what we want. I have plenty, you need some help? Ooops, too bad, help yourself, now excuse me while I get some more!

Remember any ad that uses the term "must be team player" is bullshit. YOU play for YOU.. (genuine or sarcasm)

I never said Any business owner was responsible for my or anyone elses plight.

You said "the business owner nor the government can not and should not be responsible for you choosing as a career something that is not working out well for you."

Then I say agreed. Therefore, there is no need for a government imposed minimum wage. Free market economics and pure capitalism. You pay 2 dollars a day for an 8 hour day. If I won't work for that, then maybe someone else will. If no one will, you have to raise your offer until you find a willing employee. Non of this 5.15, or 6.00, or 8.00 minimum wage crap! Who the hell is the government telling me how much I have to pay my burger flippin, shopping cart corraling, group? Damn it they don't like 25 cents an hour let them find something else! Maybe you raise corn and can pick 25 acres yourself eat some and sell the rest, but you have 200 acres of land, you can hire someone, to pick the other acres, rent it out, or sell it.. maybe you sell it for more than it's worth. Now you have lots of cash, but now have to buy corn. you are no longer a seller. either find something else, or have to spend your money to buy what you need. need enough things, and the result is no corn to sell no money to buy. Simplistic, but symptomatic of underlying problems. America is becoming more interested in accumulating cash than producing. Result...The cash being acquired is the trade off for the decline in production. Eventually the cash will need to be spent to acquire the things we no longer produce. As long as we bought our own products, the money circulated from producer to worker/consumer,and back to producer...Too many producers are not putting the money into the pockets of the people who buy the products.

Here's a question...Company X closes and 500 people lose their jobs averaging 12 dollars per hour, the same day Walmart opens in town adding 550 part time jobs at 6 dollars an hour.....

You tell me the result net gain, net loss, apples to oranges. Personally, you want to work there because you WANT to, or HAVE to?

This isn't a Me/You issue......

Take it back to the topic.....

If the current staff gets the axe, but are replaced by and equal number of others.... no loss... If they are not replaced, the the result is a net loss..... The question becomes do those three move into three other "newly created" jobs, or do they displace three workers someplace else?

If you only speak up for something when it personally affects you, then by the time your issue comes up no one else will care of your plight. But Que sera sera.

As I said in an earlier post...

Best wishes for success to everyone, but I do hope that the successes sometimes trickle down to the guys in the trenches....

seems like an honest enough statement.

notalent: normally you would be correct but not this time, no money was made, money was lost big time.

Here is a letter to the editor in the Statesman Journal.

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007705110307

SALEM WILL LOSE RESOURCE WITH SALE OF KSND-FM

May 11, 2007

As one who only recently discovered KSND, 95.1 hiding downtown in Salem's Liberty Plaza, I was disheartened to read of its sale recently.

Another FM station that I frequently tuned to for news at the top of the hour suddenly flipped and began playing a regional Mexican format. That's two FM stations going Hispanic within just weeks of each other.

With so many stations being absorbed by corporate conglomerates, live on-air personalities are being displaced by voice-overs and computerization. KSND is the only FM station to broadcast live Salem traffic reports during the morning and afternoon commutes, a service I've found invaluable during my commute from Linn County.

I've also come to appreciate the fresh and entertaining morning show hosted by Scott Forrest and Geno Romo. Frank Rippey always makes me smile with the little hooks added to his newscasts. The familiar voice of veteran valley broadcaster Charlie Foxx keeps us informed afternoons with "traffic condition: green."

It's too bad the Salem community let this resource slip away. In an apparently shrinking craft obsessed with automation, I hope we hear Forrest, Romo, Rippey, Foxx, et al. again soon.

-- Greg Black, Lebanon

Greg Black MUST be a radio announcer. No real person listens to the radio to hear local news and personalities.

Geez who is he trying to kid.

;-)

about 3300 in Marion county alone.....Boy that is a HUGE audience.....

What date did the format change occur?

It will change in late May or early June.

OK; I will be checking periodically to see when it flips. The letter to the editor linked above was written in such a way as to give the impression that the format change has already occurred.

KSND can be heard on the Internet.

KSND has a new nighttime DJ. He calls himself "Corey the Intern."

Anyword when they will flip?

I sat next to the owner of KBZY at lunch the other day and he said he thought June.

Sooner than later is the vibe I got.

Then I just ate some more fish.

SALE OF LOCAL RADIO STATION KSND PENDING

http://salemmonthly.com/story/SALE_OF_LOCAL_RADIO_STATION_KSND_PENDING

Why is KSND now playing so many crappy MP3 files? I thought that Ernie knew better than that.

no need to worry about this now xpert.

Really. Why would it matter now?

Yes, of course. But, I had heard that Ernie was a bit of perfectionist when it came to audio quality.

Why should he care about it now?
He's got what he needs.

Nice to hear Scott Forrest back on the air with Geno Romo this morning. Frank Rippey should invite 'Bubba' into the studio to discuss drinking, driving and stupidity. Except that Bubba probably couldn't find his way up to the studio!

Has KSND switched to spanish?

Can you listen from their website?
http://www.ksnd.com/
Still the same music. lol

The END is near.

I have been listening to these guys all morning.

I am hearing songs I haven't heard in a good 5 years. They should have stuck with this format and at least peddled little freebies to the hairdressers and doctors offices in the area.

Not big on the newer hip hop stuff that they sneak in there every once in a while.

"That's just the way it is baby."

Have some news to pass along. KSND will officially leave the air at midnight 6/1/2007. May have been easier to work out pay schedules and everything.

Crank up the recorders, record it on the web and listen to the final hours of KSND tomorrow.

Briefly, a few minutes ago the RDS on KSND flashed "KLIN" (or something close to this) and "Religious Talk" ... sometimes, at this distance I see errors in the RDS indication, but in this case, could this be an indication of the change that is about to occur?

Aye laddie... we hardly knew ye......

Will Spanish come on right after KSND goes off...or will it be off a few days?

Corey "the Intern" must have been live OTA for awhile this afternoon before Charlie Foxx came on. He played Harry Nilsson's Put the Lime in the Coconut, a tune I haven't heard in a very long time (not counting ads). Way to go Corey!

7:20 PM 5-31-07 Web Page "Under Construction"

http://www.ksnd.com/

I'm just a few hours away from committing suicide due to the loss of the best radio station in the history of radio stations. I only hated KSND when they played new music. It wasn't just the new music I hated, it was the fact they played the new music 247.628 times an hour.

P.S. Today, I heard Wall of Voodoo's Mexican Radio.

Their audio streams still work:
http://wm-live.abacast.com/ksnd-ksnd-24
http://wm-live.abacast.com/ksnd-ksnd-48

I was told that they are flipping tommorow ( Friday)

Geno Romo and Charlie Foxx are now on the air for the big KSND sign off at midnight!

Good luck boys. hasta la vista.

I'm listening on their stream. At least they're doing a live sound off show!

geno is hummin man.

Fitting final song!

This is sooo friggin horrendous!
mexican radio.
Ya, that's a good idea.
I fling boogers at radio ownership of today.
I hope and pray this station tanks and tanks quickly.
This is Salem, Oregon for cryin out loud.
That last song said it all.

I was listening to KHJ Los Angeles when they did their last show with Robert W. Morgan. Except they started the spanish right after the last english song.

KSND is ending as it started in Salem: Playing "Louie Louie" and a bunch of other strange stuff. The station has come full circle...

What was the last song? Any other highlights?

Wall Of Voodoo "Mexican Radio"

All booger flinging and grudges aside, it sounds like Ernie is having fun now with Americana music, including Richard Berry's original "Louie Louie." I thought he might start repeating the Louie Louie stunt, but now it's back into more Americana.

ah cool....

As of this moment, the stream is still running if you copy and paste one of the links Vern posted above into your Windows Media Player.

KSND is streaming at: http://asx.abacast.com/ksnd-ksnd-48.asx

What the heck is this? When does the Spanish music start?

In a hurry to hear spanish on FM? Tune in to 93.1!

This is like NPR run amuck......

good grief

Louie Louie is back!

This is why Ernie shouldn't be in the radio business.

A song about a dead Mexican????? Aare you kidding me????

"Love Plus One" by Haircut 100. The absolute worst song of the new wave era, so bad it's good.

I'm liking this better than the pseudo "We Play Anything" Charlie-FM.

1am and........its getting weirder

radioxpert>>This is why Ernie shouldn't be in the radio business.

C'mon Xpert, wouldn't you want to have just one last night of playing whatever you wanted if you were in a similar situation?

I wouldn't mind hearing a few more Louies.

lol I guess Ernie and I just have different ideas of what the "whatever" should be. KSND's "stunting" launch into Salem was quite painful to listen to. Treating a radio station like a play toy doesn't make any business sense. Ernie should've either kept the transmitter off until everything was ready to roll, or put some research into how to "stunt" effectively.

WE PLAY WHAT WE WANT..... But too late to matter!

How much longer will we have to wait to hear "La Pantera" on 95.1?

hey randy, I have news for you, ernie left town a week ago. geno and charlie have been playing the eclectic music you heard all night.
quit propping a guy who sold and baled.
he didn't come up with the louie louie stunt either. He is an engineer. No more no less.
He had a genius programmer and awesome gm who came up with the first stunt and good guys to finish it off.
Radio in Salem is Dead.
KBZY: 55 to death
KYKN: automated talking heads with bad play by play in between.
KCCS: so confused they changed their calls.
KSND: spanish, serving 14% of Salem, woohoo
These are sad times indeed. Where did all the good radio people go....

Why do you want La Pantera so bad?
You get so excited to hear format flips?
It might take a week to change the Ksnd studios.
Many of us English speakers aren't so excited!
I told a friend who drives a bus in McMinnville that Kxpc has been sold and they announced a format change to Spanish.
She already changed her bus radio to Kwjj!

When I tuned in this morning it was some really bad blues. I like the blues, but this was bad. Right now I'm hearing Barry McGuire's Eve of Destruction.

Scott & Geno told me weeks ago about their intent to play Mexican Radio when they signed off, but then they also played it during their final morning show.

Ernie didn't pack it in and leave town quite the way some have posted.

I haven't found anything else with quite the same format to tune into yet. That's why I'll miss KSND.

The station promo hints at regional Mexican, just like El Rey.

A new manufactured housing development in the Dever-Conner area of the mid valley is currently being assembled by mostly Hispanic laborers. They have been playing Spanish polkas very loudly to the annoyance of their rural white middle class neighbors. This is the new sound of the valley?

They are really dragging this thing out.

Whomever is running the board right now is totally messing with the new ownership.

Just heard "son of a bitch" on their station. Ernie really didn't let that fly. "Trouble, Beautiful Trouble" is the song playing now.

Goodness this is depressing.

It is to die. And it was.

Now am listening to float like a butterfly, sting like a bee about Ali.

Nice few references to the n word uncensored.

Louie Louie again. At least this version (The Kingsmen's) is recognizeable. Whatever was played a while ago was obscure.

This is just weird. For whoever wanted B sides - I think you got 'em.

Yeah no joke.

I keep getting kicked off though. Wonder what's up.

Music to hang yourself by.

"The Music of Your Death"

Looks like its finally done.

I put the thing on mute cause I was working and came back and now it won't let me connect.

Anyone hear what the last song was? Anyone in Salem to confirm?

Well, I am in Hillsboro, and I am still hearing KSND on 95.1... right now, they are playing "Louie Louie" (again). RDS is indicating "KSND" and "Adult hits".

Ditto, Drchaps. Earlier I noticed their website just says "Under Construction" Looks like the stream has dried up.

What you are hearing is "Tom Russell" Radio, I come from a chr, hot a/c background, I'm fairly young... I'm digging this! it's like I wanted to go out riding into the sunset, shoot me if you will,huge change of pace & I never said I would work this format ( hmm. I guess to stay working I would consider) lol, most of no one has heard of this guy, but Ernie has a great story about how he came accross Tom Russell, maybe after spanish hit's the airwave, you'll wish Tom Russell was back on....

As for the final hours last night, as weird as it was, and nice too, I heard from alot of people I have not heard from in some time, thanks for the calls from some on this board and some not, I closed out with the guy I wanted to...Charlie Foxx... see you somewhere out there..
p.s. kkb - you are really into the spanish format it seems, you should consider working it.

asta la veesta.....
G.R.

About 2:38 switched to Spanish, but NOT the same program as 940... what gives?

Yes, KSND is now playing Spanish AC without any imaging. What's going on?

I finally heard a sweeper: "La Pantera...Pura Raza"

The 1st of June, 2007 will forever be remembered as the darkest day in this country's history.

Hola amigos .........

¿Qué el infierno ha sucedido que todas estas estaciones de radio turning.over a las difusiones mexicanas?

¿Yo siente un viento caliente en mi hombro y el tacto de un mundo que es más viejo yo dé vuelta al interruptor y comprueba el número lo dejo encendido cuando en slumber de la cama I que oigo los ritmos de la música yo compran el producto y nunca lo utilizan oigo que el hablar del dj no puede entender, apenas qué él digo? Estoy en una radio mexicana que estoy en un mexicano - whoah - me radio estoy en una radio mexicana estoy en un mexicano - whoah - radio La marco adentro y templo la estación que hablan de la inflación de ESTADOS UNIDOS entiendo apenas un poco ningún comprende, él son una criba Estoy en una radio mexicana que estoy en un mexicano - whoah - me radio estoy en una radio mexicana estoy en un mexicano - whoah - radio ¿Deseo yo estaba en Tiajuana comer el iguana asado a la parilla que tomaría peticiones en el teléfono estoy en una longitud de onda lejos del hogar me siento un viento caliente en mi hombro I marcarlo adentro del sur de la frontera oigo que el hablar del dj no puede entender, apenas qué él dice? Estoy en una radio mexicana que estoy en un mexicano - whoah - me radio estoy en una radio mexicana estoy en un mexicano - whoah - radio.

Woops, I meant to post this; friggin babel fish translated all that wrong. I know, what does a CHAVEZ have to use Babel Fish for? Because I speak American.


I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
and the touch of a world that is older
I turn the switch and check the number
I leave it on when in bed I slumber
I hear the rhythms of the music
I buy the product and never use it
I hear the talking of the dj
Can't understand, just what does he say?

I'm on a Mexican radio
I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio
I'm on a Mexican radio
I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio

I dial it in and tune the station
They talk about the U.S. inflation
I understand just a little
No comprende, it's a riddle

I'm on a Mexican radio
I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio
I'm on a Mexican radio
I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio

I wish I was in Tiajuana
Eating barbecued iguana
I'd take requests on the telephone
I'm on a wavelength far from home
I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
I dial it in from south of the border I hear the talking of the dj
Can't understand, just what does he say?

I'm on a Mexican radio
I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio
I'm on a Mexican radio
I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio

Radio, radio,
Radio, radio...

Well, an alternative would be DJFressh... so I'd say we're ahead.

Is KSND still being operated from the Salem studios, at this time?

"The 1st of June, 2007 will forever be remembered as the darkest day in this country's history." give me a break, no one was listening to KSND and 100 people were knocking it. Granted if they simulcast the KWBY programming now listeners will be able to hear lousy programming in Salem on FM....

I won't be listening to 95.1, 93.1 and soon 103.7 now.
Oh well, there s always IPod and mp3's!

KSND had a cume of about 40,000. Even from this thread it's apparent that people were listening.

It's easy to be critical, especially if you're not the one in the hot seat. I, too, am one of those negatively impacted by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 - plus Oregon is an "at will" employment state where, unless you're represented, you can leave or be let go without notice. Under those circumstances it's easy to become cynical. To become productive again, one has to put the past behind, build a bridge and get over it.

My next question is: will too many Hispanic flips in this market produce the same result we already see? Everyone chasing the same demo with no one standing out in the crowd? As we've seen repeatedly, when a leader does emerge, then everyone copies them and we're right back where we started. Is the market just too crowded?

Let the flames begin.

¡El día bueno, los amigos! (Good day, friends!) :-)

Itsvern: MP3's and IPODS can't tell you when your kids school is closed, what the road conditions are and whether or not that storm is gonna blow down your trees. IPODS do not even remotely compare to radio and it's ability to communicate to a listener.

For me, it's radio.

MP3's and IPODS can't communicate to you and do not give back to your community, so why support them?

MTB

Neither can syndicated broadcasts or out-of-town media. So, without a live and local format we're just about as well informed either way.

Fm87, true but even the smidgen of information you get in the form of weather, news and public service, far outweighs an IPOD.

It is amazing to me how anyone can beat up radio so much and then be the first to turn on radio to get the latest information about a storm that is coming or passed and left a trail of destruction. In the midwest, people tune to radio to find out where that deadly tornado is. An IPOD just plays music.

Radio should be supported whenever possible. One of these days, it won't be there to answer questions, then what? Wait for the paper to print hours later?

With most sincerity,

MTB

Mikel, I largely agree with you.

In part, because of the demise of informative radio, schools now have NOAA radios so that they can receive weather alerts. As far as newspapers, they're hurting too as circulation drops and production costs climb. More and more I see "news" in the paper that's already two or three days old by the time it hits print. And iPods? They play whatever you put into them - including test answers!

I do support radio - and its advertisers!

gb

"at will" employment state.......

as is Ohio... it sucks when you bust your ass and still get the pink slip. I swear this was what the MD said (true or not, who knows but wouldn't have wanted to be the new girl. He told me after the fact

"management wanted a set of tits on weekends and one of you had to go". "Steve decided to let you go to reign in the rest of the crew.....

Ouch.

she was more interested in singing than radio and was fired 6 months later after not bothering to show for a shift or two

OUCH!

As for following the leader, Again, the question is If I copy what the leader does, then why should the listener switch?

Does the newest hispanic entry create new listeners, or take them from other hispanic stations? If I am a regular listener of one, what is the new one offering that will make me switch?

The May issue of the Salem Business Journal has an article about KSND's new owner Don Coss. I can't get a link to it.

Here is some of it:

Don Coss recently, noticed something missing in his “media empire” with only AM radio working for him and believed he could better serve the Spanish community with an FM station.

Enter KSND, 95.1 FM. Owner Ernie Hopseeker seeking to sell and Don Coss looking to buy. They hammered out the terms between October, 2006 and March 27, 2007.

KSND will stay put at Liberty Plaza for the remaining one and a half year lease then move to Woodburn. They'll simulcast Latino music and programming, and separate out the commercials. Don Coss expects a lot of crossover and some new listeners. He wants to note that all of this would not be possible without the generosity of Ernie and Karen Hopseeker.

can't simulcast too many stations.....

It amazes me that everyone hides behind some username while criticizing that which they do not understand. Not me. Frank Rippey is my name and I am one of the casulties of the KSND sale to Don Coss. Let me tell you, no one--not Geno, not Scott, nor Charlie were happy to have lost our jobs to a new owner who deemed it necessary to turn KSND into a jukebox for illegal immigrants. Oh well. We will all survive. Let me tell all of you who have trouble with Ernie Hopseker (with one "e"--not two) that he and his wife Karen are decent people who tried to make the station fly the best they could but--since Salem's advertisers decided they would rather invest in Portland rather than their own city--Ernie and Karen had to do something to stop bleeding cash out of their own pockets. Don Coss was about the only potential owner dumb enough to buy a station that was losing money. He had the option to keep KSND developing in the direction we were trying to take it, but he chose to put an entire staff of professionals on the street instead. Ernie and Karen are only human. And they had to do what they had to do. Let me tell you this--Ernie did not pack his bags and skip town. On the last day, I shook his hand and told him thanks and good luck. He was the most generous station owner I've ever worked for--he told us all about the sale two months in advance and paid us all an extra months salary in severance. All you "experts" are invited to give me one other instance where that happened to a laid off staff. If you want to assess blame--put it squarely where it should be---Don Coss...not Mexicans...but a white man.

Why should you blame Don Coss for trying to remain competitive in the radio business. He is a non-hispanic (white as you say) Spanish Radio business expert and professional. He has managed to survive since Bustos came to the Portland Radio Market making KWBY the #1 Spanish Station. When churchill came and, like Bustos, tried to buy his business to eliminate him as a competitor, he managed to stay aflote and maintaining his station in a good spot.
His expertice is in Spanish Language Radio.
Should he have kept KSND's format and staff, he would have been the one bleeding cash out of their his pocket.
Don't blame Don, don't blame Ernie...Blame yourselves for not convincing Salem area business they needed to advertise at KSND.
What did you as a KSND employee or listener do to keep KSND from being sold?

Dear Jay_zie (God knows what your real name is): Don Coss had choices--he could have focused on the @80% of the population in the Salem area that doesn't speak Spanish and put his so called "expertice" (first time I've seen it spelled that way) on marketing the majority. He didn't care. Don't talk to me about "what I did to keep KSND from being sold". What I did was work my ass off every day to be honest, informative and entertaining at the same time. I was never appointed to be the Saviour of Salem Radio. I know this much--I did my best and I have no doubt I did better than you would have...and you know it. You've insulted me and my fellow unemployed comrades. Who are you? Come on, come out from behind your protective username mask and be a real, identifiable human being. My name is Frank Rippey. How about you? If you desire a war of words with me, you are in for more than you can handle. I'm not a tough guy. I'm just a real one.

Frank.....Jay_zie is novice in the radio world. I understand how you feel and have been there before. We who are in radio stay in it because we are passionate about the business. I hope you land on your feet and know that many of us know the feeling your going through. Jay_zie is a moron. As far as what Don did. Well he is trying to cover his ass because if he doesn't he will get blown away by the competition. Don is making a business decision to protect KWBY. In the end I believe it will all cave in on him. And that has more to do with the signal and that was covered on another thread.

Hey Mr Frank Rippey not every hispanic is an illegal immigrant, as a hispanic myself i found offensive your comment. is like me thinking that every white person is a ckracker.

Mr rippey I don't know who jayzie is and dont care but everyone knows who I am and I have news for you, the only reason you had a job at ksnd was due to Steve K contracting cancer.

Don Coss is a smart fellow, and though I personally don't like spanish radio and am completely opposed to ksnd flipping, it is a business move that Ernie could have done and was advised on more than one occasion to do so. I was one who WAS INSIDE ksnd and I know a bit more about life at ksnd then you do.
Stubborn, foolish pride is what killed ksnd along with what has been pointed out in previous posts: lack of advertising dollars in Salem. And don't blame the business people for not spending with ksnd, the market will only pay what the market can bear. In Salem, $5-15 is all you will get for a :30, and ksnd insisted on twice or three times that and NO ONE in salem will pay that for long especially when the signal doesn't reach large sections of the very city it is serving.
So, stick to news. Or call Steve Lindsley, the ORIGINAL news director for ksnd and ask him how things were.
Good luck in your future endevours.

Let's face it; it's not just radio that is in a constant state of flux; the entire country is. We may live in the finest country in the world (some will debate that I'm sure), at any time any of us can lose our jobs. I won't claim to know a damn thing about radio but I understand what Ernie had to do and I understand what Coss is doing. We can all shout about in anger but it won't change reality and it sucks. One day people are telling you how awesome your station is the next day you get a check and a handshake. No one should be claiming they know what happened at KSND except Ernie and if anyone asked he would tell you. He's a very honest guy.

I hope the Latin community knows that not everyone is racist or hateful. Good luck to everyone who worked at KSND; may everyone who worked there past or present land on their feet.

Dodger--you haven't had anything positive to say on this board in months. It's obvious you haven't recovered from losing your KSND job...which you didn't get because someone had cancer...and which you lost because of your own actions. And you're right--everyone knows who you are.
Big_ears--I didn't mean to insult all Hispanics anymore than I meant to insult all Caucasians when I did my "Bubba" stories. I apologize. I am not a rascist...not that you are likely to believe me. I hope you do.
Radio921--I appreciate your advice but you don't know how I feel.
This is how I feel----I am not passionate about Radio anymore and haven't been for many years. The reason I wanted to do it originally (back in the early 70's) was because it was a profession that enabled me to work with my first love (music) and present it creatively. That was more than 35 years ago. These days, with scientifically invalid research and total control over everything played and said, there is no serendipity or opportunity for creativity. Radio is just a sanitized promotional machine run by visionless owners or corporations and peopled by robots. It is not fun anymore.
I will land on my feet because I haven't been knocked on my ass by this KSND thing. I did it as a favor to Ernie and--if I hadn't been allowed by Ernie to write and present the News in my own way--I wouldn't have stayed around. Ernie knows I was devoted to doing my job well and we parted on very good terms. As I said before in an earlier post--Ernie is a decent guy and I would work for him again--even if he decided to open a convenience store. I'm confident he would be glad to have me on staff there too.
Most of the people on this board are Radio people and many of them are in denial about what is happening to the business. Terrestrial radio is a dinosaur. Technology has provided the buying public with too many superior options that give them the music or the news they want without us throwing our egos into the mix. So..to quote Bob--"you'd better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone cause they times they are a changin'" As for me..I'm out of Radio forever and I don't want to hear it anymore either.
A KSND fan and occasional contributor to this board advised me to avoid getting into a war of insults here because so many prospective employers pay attention to what is said. He's right for those who still have the passion and the desire to participate in this business. As for me, I have better things to do. I don't have to kiss butt to Radio bosses because I am no longer a junkie who thinks this is the only thing that matters. It's also by no means the only thing I can do.
I wish all of you the best--even you Dodger--but this is enough of this B.S.
Now I await more insights and Fatherly advice from those who "know".

Frank you are not to old. Your not as old as Dick Clark. Yes the mediums are changing. Look at TV, TIVO threw a wrench in the corporate socket and now product placement has become ever important. What I'm trying to say is yes radio has changed but it isn't dead nor will it be dead. Will it be as strong as it was in it's hay-day's no. That goes for all mediums. There are far to many options; thus the focus on niche markets. I-Pods are wonderful but whether it's a tape player with 20 songs, an mp3-cd with 500, or an i-pod with 5,000...people need to hear people. Especially when they work in a cube all day looking at pictures on the wall of people they hardly ever get to see with their only interactions being robotic like meetings. For those folks radio is there point of relaxation and escape from reality that they don't get at work. Frank I know you've weathered the storm and music doesn't sound as sweet as it once did, but Frank your funny...naturally funny. Take that funny check to the bank and cash it. Don't give up yet.

This thread proves that passion flows in this industry. Stations and managers who refuse to tap this passion will only muddle along.

Too often the passion is confused with anger and bitterness.

I would rather have a staff of passionate people with strong beliefs than a crew of "times are changing, go with it" button pushers. The passionate ones are the entertainers, the ones who sell the station everytime the mike is open.
The others are along for the ride awed by how easy technological advancements have made things.

Drain the passion and all you have left is a music machine that is interrupted by repetitive linercards flashy positioners and sweepers, and commercial blocks that listeners tune out either mentally, or physically. Radio can't deliver "MORE MUSIC" than I-POD. Radio needs to focus on doing what they did best. Stations that emphasize their streaming, their boffo website better have a quality over the air product, or the additional bells and whistles are meaningless. WHAT, you got a hit on the site from Bulgaria, and several regular listeners in Latvia?!?!?! Great! How many dollars are they spending with your advertisers?

Focus on serving your local community First. Too many stations losing sight of that. But damn they have a great website!

ROGER: You hit the nail on the head. FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS on the community you are in. We have a stand alone FM with a GM committed to the community. It seems to work. Out of the 13 local signals and 4 or 5 out of area signals, this station has survived a decade on the air, and has done quite well. The overall philososphy at this station is live local. It is one of the few stations with live shifts for 125 miles.

FRANK: Yea right, I don't know how many times in 20 years I have said the heck with working in radio, only to pursue it again after a very short cooling off period. Whether you like it or not, radio is a drug of sorts. It is like an appendage, remove it and you still fell the pang even when it is not there. I know old timer radio guys who dropped out in the 80's to do other work, only to constantly talk about the good old days and wish they were back into it. Go ahead, try and convince yourself you do not want radio anymore. Good luck!

It is ALWAYS sad when a station goes away, and the staff are out...Good luck my friends...one good thing about 103.7 when they go away, the staff is already gone.

Why program Spanish when local fm should still try to serve the majority population of people that speak English?
We need to stop flipping to Spanish just because they are a growing population, knowing that most of them aren't supposed to be here anyway.
Try some other format!
The spanish format stations already here are owned by cacuasian Americans who program the Spanish just to make money.
There are communities in Oregon that would love to have a 1000 fm in their city. Don't just give up and say, we're going to program Spanish.
If it keeps up, Portland metro will be just like other cities.

Here I go again.
Dirknocluski----I hope you're right. I still think that terrestrial radio is terminal. Time will tell. Thanks for the compliment.
Roger----Yes. Passion and anger are related...the difference being that passion stems from desire and anger is a reaction to pain. Your other comments are absolutely correct..in my opinion. Too many managers and P.D.'s are afraid to invest in passion and would rather play it "safe" by controlling and micro-managing their staffs and programming until any passion is suffocated. The answer..again-in my opinion.. lies in being fearless, real, tenacious and local. People will eventually respond. It also helps to have a multi-millionaire owner who is unafraid to dump cash into their station and willing to stick it out.
Mikel_chavez---At least you seem to be unafraid to admit who you are..that is..if your username is your real one. But you are wrong about me. I really don't burn with passion anymore. I'm not in denial. Maybe that makes me different. But I know who I am. And I didn't just fall off the truck in this life or in the radio biz.
Itsvern---Right on man.

To everyone on this board---try being who you are on the air and in life. That's the only advice I want to impart. For me..all I really want is just to move on and live in a world that's sane. the very first step to get to the truth is to quit denying the blame.
Finally...to twist the Shakespeare adage---the first thing we need to do is kill all the consultants.
Peace to you all.

"KSND had a cume of about 40,000. Even from this thread it's apparent that people were listening" fm87 what were you smoking when you came up with that number. It was 9200. "Itsvern" you are a bigger knucklehead than I thought you were. All stations are trying to make money, even non-profits, regardless of format. If you could make money doing Russian or an Asian format in Portland someone will do it. Programming in Spanish isn't giving up. Its a fact that the revs are growing faster in Hispanic media versus the general market. By the way Portland is like other cities, it just has less trash, beautiful geography, and diverse population. As far as Frank. Well Frank I am sorry you feel that way you do and maybe there is an option for you in radio, but maybe its time to move on and move forward.

Not a knuklehead! I know all stations need to make money. But i saw it coming in Los Angeles/Orange County. When a small local fm couldn't make it, it's an automatic "Let's go Spanish."
I'm not a racist. I chat with Spanish speakers all the time.
I just want to see local fm's serve the majority of residents in their broadcast area.

Ok let see, how many FMs were doing the similar format as KSND.....its like a golf swing, there are many factors that cause the 'failure' of a station. As far as automatic, it goes back to a growth market. Let me ask you this what format do you think could have worked? If you look at all stations regardless of market, in Marion county KSND was tied for 27th. Where is the piece of the pie that will make a difference in that area. The majority that you are worried about listen to mostly to PDX stations anyway with the exception of KYKN which airs national syndication anyway. SO again I ask what would the format be? In the case of LA 41% are Hispanic, so the change there is a mute point.

Dear Radio921.....I think that's what I said.

"La Pantera" on 95.1 is sounding quite unprofessional, with poor segues and mucho dead air...

"La Pantera" on 95.1 is sounding quite unprofessional" not only on FM sounds unprofessional, 940 AM too, i heard to qualify for bank loan to buy 95.1 Don fired almost all his air staff and the ones right now on the air didn't have any prior experience, they maybe volunteers.

I don't believe they would be volunteers....Big_ears you and Jay_zie are two peas in a pod.....The sound issues could be their computer acting up....

Well, their computer has been acting up for quite a few months now. Too Mucho dead air in between songs and commercials.
Does anybody know the name of the PD?

In the recent past, the one Spanish format that has had a proven track record for good ratings in this area is Regional Mexican. However, I believe that we are reaching a saturation point. We now have KWIP (880), KWBY (940), KXPD (1040), KGDD (1520), KRYP (93.1), and the new 95.1 all running this format, going after the big numbers! Something will have to give. Everyone, except for the FM stations, which are new, is going to see a drop in ratings as the audience further fragments. Eventually, somebody will give up, flipping to a different Spanish format or selling to another owner who will program a format that is not Spanish.

I vote for KWIP.
Either they sell it to someone that will flip it's format to some form of country like KCKX.
Or bustos will end up buying it. They need presence in the Willamette Valley.

Are they still owned by the former Playboy bunny?

do the math. selling price....

#mins of spots per hour average. X rate per spot =

Gross revenue - fixed costs... utilities, rent, interest on loans taxes, licensing fees, other operating expenses, salaries....

depending if it's borrowed money and how long the term...... It's a tough nut and a long road.....

Is Coss just trying to get a good bundle of stations together so he can sell them and make a good profit off of his investment?

possibly... only he knows... the rest of the peanut gallery is just here to speculate and weigh in to validate our existence........

I seriously doubt he would get much for his combo. At least not as much as you think he might.

How about the "booster" station in Depoe Bay (KSND-FM1 @ 300 watts), did that ever get built? Looks like there are almost 2 months left on the construction permit:

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Appli cation_id=669036

Jay_zie, La pantera's P.D. is Julio Cesar ‘El Jaguar’ Martinez, but he wasn't P.D. he was production director, when the last P.D. quit about 6 months ago he took his place, but he didn't know anything about programing.

That explains it

Apparently, one final word on KSND...I'm not one to blow my own horn, and you may not hear much from me, however, I've been reading in amusement about KSND since Ernie brought me on board back in Dec. as PD. I've taken some hits, and that's okay. It tells me you were listening. When I started at KSND, it was in need of some fun and direction. Over 30 years in radio and the past 7+ at KISN. After many years of corporate radio I only wanted to work for a real broadcaster. Ernie and I hit it off like old friends. He gave me full autonomy with music, promotions and staff. I didn't realize how much I enjoyed programming and a challenge until Ernie turned me loose without reins. I take full responsibility for "The Coconut Song", "Mexican Radio" and other "Wow" factor songs. Overall it was a darn good playlist with music in the mornings, not too much talk. Geno kept me up to date with new music, Charlie fed me quality production, Frank, was Frank, and a blast to work with. By the way, I'm sorry about Steve Kay's illness, but in reality,I would have choosen Frank for our new direction anyway. Cory the Intern came from a mouse to a real talent. He found the passion. He'll be back with vigor. I'm sorry to hear KSND today. I'm sorry my co-workers are temporarily unemployed. It's show biz. Ernie had issues with the Salem business community. He's an honest guy who deserves better. Over 40 years in radio and wanted to retire. Who can blame him? You can't tell a new owner how to drive your car. Ernie can't tell Don what to do with his station. It's show biz. I love radio. I love programming. I like having fun. Don't be too serious is my advise (even if you didn't ask). It's only radio, or show biz...Smile and be positive. It works!

Welcome aboard! They were asking about you on the San Francisco board at Radio-info.com. I think John Mack Flanagan menioned your name.

In the immortal words of Chuckles the Clown:"A little song, a little..." well, you know. Wise words, amfmdj.

There is no room for this "fun" nonsense. Radio is a serious business. It's work. That's why it's called work. This is a serious job for serious people. If you want fun, have a party.

Fun, Fun, Fun, That's all I hear. Well you just go on and have your Fun, Fun, Fun, till your daddy takes your T-Bird away.

Excuse me, I have to go practice my linercards and intros. You never know when some mysterious illness will strike down the nations 137 radio announcers and I might be needed to fill in.....

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Roger, I'm sure you're right.

However, catch Eve's show over at 1260 AM.

Tell me her approach isn't fun both for her AND her audience.

I'm no expert, but some people make it look easier than others.

Herb

Could Herb actually be Eve? Why else does he/she promote her so much?

A fair question, Pdxdc.

I've never met Eve, I don't work for her station and I've never met KLYC's owners.

But lest you think I'm simply a KLYC 'homer' without reason, I came to this realization the other day: A lot of people on this board listen to KLYC and I think I know why.

It's the way radio used to be.
One live announcer and a microphone.
No sound effects. No sidekick banter.
No out of state owner, no media conglomerate.
It's live radio without a net.

I felt the same way about 1150 AM KKEY.
People can Trash N' Bash™ KLYC all they want.
But small town or not, Eve has a great little show with a nice mix of music, talk and news. Now I know what people meant when they describe certain shows as akin to a friendly backyard chat over the fence with your neighbor. Admit it. Many of us here would love to have Eve's gig. It would be fun.

Herb

herb, you have your own klyc thread, leave this one alone, we have lots more ksnd bashing to do.

Ok, it's a deal.

Trash N' Bash™ other stations all you want.

Herb

Amfmdj, could you clarify two things.

1. Was KSND not profitable?

2. Was Don Coss the the only one interested in buying KSND?

What exactly in the entertainment world isn't a business Roger? "Fun" is an aspect of entertaining people even in such entrenched genre's as political talk radio. Entertainers from Rush Limbaugh to Howard Stern are having fun doing their jobs. Whether are not we like what they are doing is another story. But "Fun" is a huge part of the entertainment industry. Aren't you suppose to love your job and have fun doing it? FUN...fun...fun,fun,fun...fun.

Yes, KSND was profitable, barely. As things started to shape up, we have several agencies wanting to buy. Ernie, the honest guy that he is, was forthcoming and informed them that the station was being sold. So the bottom line, we were about to become very profitable. A case of too little, too late.
As far as Don Coss being the only interested buyer. No there were two others, both had plans to take it Spanish as well. In my opinion, all were late on the on the draw in regards of coming up with the money and closing before El Rey signed on. I can only imagine the pucker factor when they signed on after the money was exchanged. Again, that's show biz, what fun!
Oh, and Roger, if you can't have fun in radio, perhaps you should consider something outside of the "entertainment" world, like underwater basket weaving?? Just a thought...

Roger is right. Business is serious. Professional people are focused. There is no room for fun.

If Eve and Larry are having fun running KLYC, then they are not radio professionals. I certainly wouldn't want to visit the KLYC studios and have to utter the words, "Eve, where ARE your liner cards???"

Fun is not allowed. When I eat at Burger King and McDonald's, I know that I am in a professional eating establishment because the people working in the kitchen don't look like they are having fun. Would I want computer programmers who write my software to have fun while writing code? Of course not. Would I want my dentist to have fun while putting fillings in my molars? No way! Would I want clowns to have fun while doing their jobs? Not a chance; they are entertainment professionals. Fun is bad. Ebenezer Scrooge is my hero.

HERB, I'M WRONG!!!

Re: undewater basket weaving. The chinese do it cheaper. I can't compete with them. I had to fill in my pool and build a WAL*MART

Damn people..... From everything I've ever posted, you can't read sarcasm...

SARCASM SARCASM SARCASM

WOW, double WOW.....

and BTW, I don't do it if it ain't fun. If I HAVE to WORK, IT BETTER DAMN WELL BE FUN.

just aks the peeple what werks fer me I run the funnest bestest crew in the district.....

Fun police? Is this a debate on people enjoying their jobs? Nooooooo, dear god if you want to approach your job as a stick in the mud that is what you do. Do what you do and be good at it. Don't besmirch people who have fun while being professional. Some personas are completely serious; some are not. Both are profitable.

Comedy makes money. Seriousness makes money. So your saying if you were hosting a morning show that was playing to a broad audience that you wouldn't ever be funny? Are you going to turn to your co-host during the show and go "what's my motivation?" Maybe practice keigels, while gargeling Avion.

Yes professionalism is driving force in success; but so is enjoying your job. Ask one successful person if they enjoy what they do. From a priest to a doctor. There is a thrill to be had in doing a good job. Some people get stuck in jobs they do not enjoy. You sound like one of them.

I'm confused by this thread, but so as not to alienate anyone, I'll not mention that unnamed AM radio station in McMinnville.

Herb

Roger you are so good at being a straight faced comedian we all took you seriously.

I was starting to get worried that I was the only one who saw that Roger's post was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. I was playing along. How could anyone think that I was being serious about clowns not being allowed to have fun while entertaining people??

Clowns scare me.

I really thought you guys were serious.

Herb

To answer the above questions of profitable and new owners:
No and No.
Never profitable, and the only ones interested in buying were Don Coss and me. Since ernie wouldn't sell for $100 Coss won.
Goes back to being community oriented, and having realistic spot rates.
In a community like Keizer/Salem, you gotta sell what ya can. Take whatever they will pay or you will be gone.
PS: speaking of Don Coss and spanish radio, just tuned in to KCKX 1460 my fave station and it is now Spanish Christian.
Anyone smart enough to figure out what is the only format to not be on AM radio in the Mid-Willamette Valley that would be immediately profitable?

I was under the impression that Churchill was also interested in KSND.
Does anyone know why they didn't pursue with it?

Could it be that they decided to go after kxpc instead? Just a guess...

I hear it wasn't about money. Rumors have it there were some internal commitment concerns that needed to be taken care of.

"When I started at KSND, it was in need of some fun and direction."

Well, it was there not too long before you arrived, at least for the listeners. They had "it" for about 5 minutes with people like Dodger and Jeff Clarke. It was too good to last. Sad.

Leave the mudslinging for the kiddy parks Merkin. Nothing like kicking a dead horse. There is no need to. What do you want to accomplish by throwing people under the bus? This is why I am a reluctant participant in radio blogs. If you get fired you can either dust yourself off and move or you can sit on it and be bitter. Of course we are all allowed a bit of bitterness but please direct it towards something positive. Maybe some basket weaving or helping the many homeless folks we have around Oregon.

"Mudslinging"? "Throwing people under the bus?"

What? Who? Where? When?

Since you're new here and you don't know me, you should know that I'm not bitter in the least, I just wanted to point out that KSND WAS fun and interesting and great radio for a (too short) bit. I tuned in at Wilsonville and listened as long as I could on my way over the Santiam Pass or to Grand Ronde Tribal HQ, and I enjoyed it mucho, great DJ's and music...Alas, it was over before it really even had a chance and I'm lamenting that...mi novio Jeff Clarke has moved further down the Valley and I miss him, and Dodger is too busy on eBay to pop in here often enough. I WAS being positive, it WAS good and I miss it. And I'm just a listener, and never fired from anything, radio or otherwise.

(And Hey! I actually DO weave some beautiful cedar bark strip baskets.)

That's all.

Dirknocluski, you've encountered the kinder and gentler Mrs. Merkin.

If you think her posts here are mudslinging, stay away from the political side of the board.

Herb

NEWBIE to the Forum! He'll learn!

BTW....Welcome Dirk!

And once you get to know the regular poster's here you'll find that most are great people and share loads of interesting info. Be careful as you don't want to get some member's going on the WarPath!

Also, don't ever feed the occasional TROLL's that lurk in these here part's! "Nixon" is defineate Troll Food! Just funnin' Herb.

... you should have read my disclaimer at the end of the post......

My last PD actually said I wasn't serious enough to be in radio. The station was a place of business and Fun was for parties.

(this from a guy who used to have paper wad fights with the front desk girl, and he thought I wasn't serious enough?)

Re: Mrs M..... You have to love the fact that as a listener she is willing to pop in and offer her thoughts. There are more than a few non radio professionals who participate here and offer valid perspectives that are worthy of consideration. While some of us RADIOHEADS can be accused of bias, certainly those on the other side of the mic who validate some of our thoughts on the importance of live local connections with the listener should not be discounted. Don't know her, never met her, nor missing or any of the other listeners who pop on to share a comment, but as a broadcaster, I would rather listen to their input than blow them off as unknowing. I Know how I present a show. But, it's far better to know what a listener wants to hear in a show.

The whole KSND being gone has upset a lot of people. I sure appreciate anyones perpespective. I know a few people from that station and am a bit protective. It is really nice to know people enjoyed it while it was there.

Mrs Merkin is one of the many who enjoyed it how it sounded at the beginning, before it was even given a chance to blossom. It was blown up and great personalities like jeff were blown out to make some sort of hybrid ac rock oldies thing.
It didn't work and mrs m is just a smart enough listener to have caught the initial excitement that ksnd had. It was very different from any other station in Oregon and could have been something very very special.
That is mourned more than just going espanol.

Merkin I am sorry I miss-directed anything towards you. Dodger I don't think anyone employed after you at KSND did anything to intentionally hurt you. The new format was about to take off but that is far from the point. Are you okay? It's not good to harbor negative emotions toward anything. It's bad for the soul. Have you moved on yet to something better? I think everyone has had to leave a job for some reason or another.

I am all good.
as mrs m pointed out, ebay calls me, money to be made and golf to be played.
Lost many a job before, probably will again (if I fire myself), but the whole ksnd affair was sad because of what it COULD have been. Patience would have been a virtue.
PS: if you need any dvd box sets, Ford Car literature, auto parts or mens jeans, I'm your man.

Thanks, Boys! Gosh, I love this place!

Dodger, What's your seller name? I need one 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee gray leather headrest, can you find me one? Ebay only has a set of 4. I'm almost to 1000 feedbacks, and only 1 of those was me selling something. I buy everything I need there, cause I'm cheap. I mean thrifty.

better email me mrs m. no giving away trade secrets here.

I found it...pretty easy...just follow the bread crumbs! WOW...6333 feedback with 99.8% positive....pretty good. Love the 68 Mustang GT California Special BTW!

You now have one less item listed!
Good luck with that!

Say....you got an "W" Goofy Watches for sale? LOL

Ernie has requested a second local service in Waldport on 95.3. In order to make this happen, he wants to swap the Monmouth and Dallas allocations. KSND would move to 98.3 and Dallas to 95.1. The FCC just sent out a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on the subject.

Would 95.1 then go dark to be applied for my all the majors in the bidding wars? Wow...a great way to improve your coverage area.

How will this change benefit La Pantera?

"How will this change benefit La Pantera?"

98.3 could have better coverage of Salem, compared to 95.1.

I'm sorry, I didn't have enough time to elaborate this morning. Under the proposal, Hopseker's company would apply for a second local service in Waldport on 98.5.(I may have to recheck this point; I said 95.3 this morning but 98.5 makes more sense.)In order to make room for the station in Waldport, the allocations in Monmouth and Dallas would swap. KSND would move to 98.3 and the empty Dallas allocation would become 95.1. This was probably in discussion at the FCC before KSND was sold or even in consideration of being sold. In order for this to happen, someone has to apply to build a station in Waldport. It doesn't seem to benefit Ernie anymore(at least not in relation to KSND)and who knows what the new company might have in mind? Perhaps, they'd find it to their advantage to build the Waldport station so they could improve KSND's signal as Ernie apparently had in mind. The reason I'm confused about what frequency would be allotted to Waldport is because they don't list these things by frequency but rather channel number and I knew it was one channel higher than either 95.1 or 98.3, which are known quantities.

It is 98.5 proposed for Waldport. 95.3 would be too close to a co-channel in Creswell/Eugene.

Your link shows it as already being allotted as a Class A but the proposal has it as a C3. I believe Waldport is also too close to KXJM for it to be 95.3 but think the station in Creswell definitely pushes it over the line!

95.3 KUJZ (Creswell) is a lower-powered C3, due to 95.5 KXJM.

Cochannel C3 to C3 separation is still 153km.

I thought there was an existing station in Waldport. I knew it was for sale a while back, but didn't seem like a good investment. Not much in the way of ad dollars. Do they need another, or is this part of the same package we're talking about?

"second local service"

......Clowns scare me.....

Clowns don't scare me, marsupials scare me.

As I said, I don't think there is enough business to support "FIRST local service"

:-)

Ugh, I can't coax anything out of the FCC website right now other than the standard FM Query.
It says the proposed allotment is at 98.5 as a Class A. I'm 99% sure the first aural service in question is KORC AM.

Waldport's 98.5 wouldn't be able to put much signal into Lincoln City, due to 98.7 KUPL being too close.

KUPL's 60dbu contour goes right through Sheridan. That's as close as they get to Newport. 60dbu is the end of coverage as it's intended. If there aren't any stations that interfere beyond that point, the station will continue to be heard but not protected from actual stations(not translators or boosters). If that is the case, it's called "bonus coverage" and many stations have it but only until or unless another station fills in the gap.

I heard former KSND morning DJ Matt Richards on KXL this morning. He's now a traffic reporter.

Any news on the old KSND people? How are they these days.

They are all working for WKRP.

good one, dodger.