I have been a bit busy with some family matters. Took some time to catch up! Oh man, the shit is hitting the fan, and we are only a few months in!

I love this, from the Donald!

"Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States. […] Everything is a lie."

And then we have these:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/16/gonzales-implicated-in-another-scandal/

Marc Marin said he is gone Monday. That is his entry into the Sam Cedar Gonzales pool.

More on that whole drama:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/211731/622

Which lie will they choose?

http://www.alaskareport.com/z45487.htm

Iraq failure, loan scandal (you just watch, there will be one, just like in the 80's), corporate contractors (privitization = exploitation) causing considerable consternation!

I don't expect a response. Feel free to chime in though. I was just shocked at just how piss poor the news weeks are becoming for the GOP...

WPE.

We, the people of the United States of America, rest our case.

No point in responding. The American public doesn't care. The worst that will happen is Gonzales will be gone, all the lies and crimes quickly forgotten, and a new Bush crony attorney general will be appointed.

Yep. They have become touchable - yet unaffected. Tragic for The U.S..

Let's not lose our enthusiasm, now that a few things are changing. Remember, the Vanport flood started nice and slow too.

The last 8-10 months of this administration is going to be one resignation after another. The rats will be jumping ship in LARGE numbers.
Only problem..... DUHbya, DICKster and Turdblossom will probably never see the inside of a jail cell.
The real DAMAGE is already done and the neo-CONers are losing ground everywhere across the country. Let's hope that some TRUE Republicans can join with the Dems and make America great once again.

So true Randy. It's bittersweet really. On one hand, maybe we can assert the Constitution properly and hold people accountable to it. If this does not happen, then the Resident will have done us a great harm.

On the other, it seems to be happening, but that effort costs us, once again, vital focus on day to day legislation that might do some real good.

Politics sucks more than we want to admit.

I don't really care if these people receive justice for any illegalities they may have perpetrated, or not (though that *would* be sweet to see!). I'm quite satisfied to sit back and watch the light being shined on this administration for really the first time in six years. I think the American people are coming out of their 9/11 stupor, along with the media, and Bush is being seen widely for the incompetent leader that he is. As long as we never get another group like this one again, I'll be satisfied.

lets hope the "light" we finally see is the rectum opening so we can finally crawl out of our long national journey through the bowels of an idiot.

I really don't intend to be this harsh, but geez, nothing describes this presidency better than poop.

I'm gonna go ahead and say it: "Shitty."

It's the worst ever!

I disagree with the justice bit. IMHO, not addressing this will establish that here in America, it's perfectly ok to bastardize and pervert our Democracy. The founders would be up in arms over this! I'm afraid we lack the backbone today to fully correct this mess.

It's all been brewing for a long time too. These clowns have been working really hard to establish a distinctly non-American redefinition of our government. They have managed to set some expectations on this, a lot of people buy as being valid.

We've had discussions right here that validate that. It's a very bad path going forward.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17702224/

Who does Bush think he is. Clinton wanted to do the same thing in the Paula Jones case and we all know where that one went.

This is a stall by Bush so that he won't be impeached. However many Republicans seem to be lining up to dump these problems and Gonzales other wise they may be dumped in the Tsunami of the election in 2008.

Bush won't be impeached, not with less than two years left in his tenure and Dick Cheney next in line to be President. At this point the Democrats would probably end up looking as gooberish as the GOP did during the Bill Clinton impeachment, though IMHO that impeachment hearing was a witch hunt and this one is much more justified.

I can see impeachment when it becomes absolutely necessary to reign in a runaway president bent on saving his ass at all costs. I'm not exactly sure what W. will do if he gets his back against the wall. Perhaps he will start listening to Daddy Bush for once.. but the fact is I don't know what he'll do (nuke Iran?) and that's what scares me.

At least Nixon recognized his days were numbered and stepped down gracefully. (Where is Herb when you need him?)

Thanks for that intro, Edselehr.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who can remember some good things about Richard Milhous Nixon.

Be that as it may, I see that I've missed very little in the past few weeks. With all due respect, this forum continues it's obsessive whining, extraneous hand-wringing and non-stop navel gazing.

This from the group who accused Republicans of being Clinton-haters.

What makes it so humourous is that it's all over lame duck.

You guys continue to bash conservatives. It doesn't matter to me, for I've already read the same rehashed leftist talking points. And aside from the hard-core leftists, few others really care, either.

Herb

It's the narrow road we walk Herb, not narrow minds.

Boy I sure miss how you can pack 'em in Herb!

I like this one though:

guys continue to bash conservatives.

No we don't! The complaints are aimed squarely at the problematic members of the GOP. It's just a whole lot more complex than you paint here and everybody is warming up to that fact these days.

Sure. It simply gets tiresome.

Don't believe me? Re-read so many of the political threads on this board. Most are simply Trash And Bash™.

I'm gone for weeks and return only to see it's the same old.

It's a lot more constructive for all of us to light a candle than curse in the dark.

Again. Why not promote what YOUR guys actually do? If the left has so many answers, where are they? Are the potential democrat nominees so lacking that even the party loyal can't find anything or anyone to truly support?

Or are liberals so torn between their own factions that their only unifying factor is throwing punches at a guy who's going to be gone in a year and a half?

You didn't like conservatives piling on Mr. Clinton? This time, examine yourselves.

Herbert Milhous Nixon IV

Hey Herb!

You arrive like Superman at a Lex Luthor convention! Can't get enough of the fun and frolick over here at the ol' Politics & Other forum, eh?

Hope you enjoyed your time away from this liberal cesspool. What were you doing, off helping pick out books for the George W. Bush Presidential Library? Don't forget to put "My Pet Goat" on the list...

Promote what our guys do?

Sure.

Sadly, much of it involves cleaning up the GOP mess. While that's going on, we've got plenty of legislating to do, but for one little problem...

That same GOP, can't stand to actually lose face and has largely painted itself into a corner, most closely aligned with the 20 or so percent of us that lie far outside the mainstream on most all issues.

http://www.pollingreport.com Read it and weep Herb.

The position you most often identify with, on a majority of the issues, is not typical of your average American citizen. It's also rather closely aligned with that portion of the GOP causing the most trouble right now.

Sucks huh?

"It simply gets tiresome."

Speaking of tiresome, he's baaaaaaack.

Herb if I'm NOT correct.... The neo-CONers piled on Slick Willy to the last day he was in office. Why should the Dems give DUHbya a pass???
PILE ON TILL THE FINAL SECONDS!!!!

If democrats want to wail on Mr. Bush "like Republicans did to Mr. Clinton," then fine. You simply lose any credibility to complain when Republicans want equal payback time. And given the incessant and merciless pounding on our president, there will undoubtedly be a payback time from conservatives.

The nattering nabobs of negativism that continually attack Mr. Bush on this board also have lost any credibility to any claim of wanting a honest exchange of ideas. Try and deny it, but time after time, reading even a few threads reveals this place is little more than a haven for Bush-haters. So why even play the charade of pretending otherwise?

“We are like children who would rather go on making mud pies in the slums because they can’t understand what it means to have a holiday at the beach.” C.S. Lewis

Herb

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah but time after time, reading even a few threads reveals this place is little more than a haven for Bush-haters.

Then why opn earth are you back here if you are so repelled?

Plus, I sure as heck don't see YOU coming up with any thrilling ideas or plans, Mr. Bash & Dash™

"I sure as heck don't see YOU coming up with any thrilling ideas or plans...

Millions of freed Iraqis and Afghans isn't thrilling for you.

Talk about twisted logic.

Herb

....You simply lose any credibility to complain...

That assumes both parties are equally corrupt and are circumventing the system equally.

You keep ignoring the reality of the GOP being nothing but a big clusterfuck of corruption. We've just started the digging and it's more ugly than I even thought, right out of the gate!

Again, it's a whole lot more complex than you portray here.

Mrs M, I think he's grumpy for the same reason I think Deane, et al. are grumpy.

the troll is grumpy because he is still eating crow for DECLARING a November GOP landslide last summer and rubbing our faces in it prematurely.

Deane is probably grumpy because he can't believe he voted for an idiot twice.

Herb said:

"Millions of freed Iraqis and Afghans isn't thrilling for you."

Proper Response:

What about the familes of the millions of dead Iraqis and Afghans that aren't thrilled with your guy who declared a fictonal war on Iraq and is already looking to Iran for going to War.

Millions of Iraqis freed from the nuisances of running water and electricity and access to goods and services and schools and the freedom from feeling safe to cross the street without getting blown to smithereens.

"Millions of freed Iraqis and Afghans"

A: I'm not convinced that the majority is, or actually feels "freed" of anything.

B: I had no idea you were so personally for doing anything other than voting for the liar and his cronies currently running this country into the sewer.

Again HerrB, I ask why are you back here?

"...Millions of Iraqis freed from the nuisances of running water and electricity and access to goods and services and schools and the freedom from feeling safe to cross the street without getting blown to smithereens."

And YOUR plan to stop Saddam's slaughter, rape and gassing of innocents would have been what exactly? And which of the myriad UN resolutions which Saddam repeatedly violated would you like to give him yet ANOTHER chance on?

Herbert Milhous

My plan would've been to actually go after those responsible for 9/11 and who had proven to be an imminent threat to the US, not to veer off course and invade a country who had no WMD's, was not an imminent threat and had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

"...was not an imminent threat..."

The UN disagreed with you. And plenty of democrats VOTED for action against Mr. Hussein.

Don't give us the 'Bush lied' mantra. Our European pals had the same intel we did.

Herb

Herb writes:
And YOUR plan to stop Saddam's slaughter, rape and gassing of innocents would have been what exactly? And which of the myriad UN resolutions which Saddam repeatedly violated would you like to give him yet ANOTHER chance on?

Well, Saddam only gassed people while Reagan and Bush sat by and let him do it. Rape and slaughter is going on all over the world now, especially in Africa. What's your plan to end it? Should we pretend those countries have WMD and go invade them, too?

Do you think the rape and slaughter of Iraqis is more important than the rape and slaughter the Bush administration never even talks about in Africa? Should they do something about it? A military action?

Andrew

Maybe Bill Clinton can go over there and fix it for little Georgie. Heck, I bet The Bush Administration put a tiny little clause in their Constitution that you don't have to be a citizen born in Iraq in order to serve in their government. Bill should run over there.

Herb said>>>>
And given the incessant and merciless pounding on our president, there will undoubtedly be a payback time from conservatives.

And I hope that if a Dem wins that EVERYONE will pound him/her into a fine dust by the time their 8 years is over also!
MAKE EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!! Dem or Republican!
DUHbya has not held anyone in his cabinet accountable for squat! NO PASS!
POUND on him until his last day!!!!!!!!

Herb said>>>>
And YOUR plan to stop Saddam's slaughter, rape and gassing of innocents would have been what exactly? And which of the myriad UN resolutions which Saddam repeatedly violated would you like to give him yet ANOTHER chance on?

Thank Reagan for the gas that SODOMY used on the kurds...

"POUND on him until his last day!!!!!!!!"

Okay, Trixter. Fine. This is Burger King. Have it your way.

But from now on, when your side gets wailed on, and that means until the last day, remember your words. Many conservatives will treat you the way you treat them. You have absolutely no ground to stand on when liberals get pummeled.

Herb

I'm a TRUE Republican Mr. Herb! And when a Dem does something wrong President or not I will be here to pound them into submission!
Just wait!!!! If Hilary gets elected I'll be all over her like flies on dog poop! She stinks now!! Wait until she is in the White House......
I'll wail on that pompous ignorant fake everyday of her first 4 years. UNLESS!!!! Unless she does things right???

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE!
LOWER TAXES FOR EVERYONE!
HEALTH CARE FOR MAINLY CHILDREN!
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM FOR BOTH SIDES!
A SENISABLE OUT FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ
CUT THE DEFICIT
FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS IN AMERICA NOT!!!!! IRAQ!!!!

Your buddy DUHbya hasn't done squat when it comes to any of those things and a whole lot more. I will continue to wail on his ass until he is gone! On his watch NOTHING but a war has happened!

You have serious problems with Hillary?

Trixter, you aren't so bad after all. In fact, as the Partridge Family would say:
I think I love you [and I'm a happily-married, exclusively-heterosexual male].

Herbert Milhous Nixon III

Herb even I have issues with Hillary. But please no sit-com singing.

There is no Democrat that I personally know that doesn't have some problem with Hillary. I've already expressed my concerns about her. But if the Republicans in this country are able to look past the multitude of problems with Bush, I can see how Democrats are generally able to set aside their concerns about Hillary.

Plus, I'm really curious to see what kind of china pattern that Bill would pick out for the White House. Maybe he'd even do a live televised Jackie Kennedy-type tour for us. ("Here's the Oval Office, and here's the closet where...uh, well, moving on...")

Well, a lot of well-financed democrats apparently are backing Hillary. That, and given her treacherous manner and her uncanny ability to land on all fours should make anyone either nervous or at least convince themselves to take her very, very seriously.

Herb

That kind of guile and ambition is often admired in male candidates. I find it interesting that when women in power get very ambitious, it is usually seen as a negative.

Hillary is highly intelligent and someday I would love to see a woman president and who knows she may be that woman. She just rubs me the wrong way. Not a woman thing a person thing.

I agree. Still, I think my observation is accurate.

But isn't Hillary the kind of woman you want to deal with thugs in charge of nations? (She's the kind of woman who whispers in one's ear while shaking his hands "if you f*ck with me I will personally chew your balls off!")

I think she is too jaded right now. Who knows, winning might change that and she would shine. But that question being on the table will likely mean somebody else gets the win this time around.

She has come up a lot in casual discussion. I don't find many people at all that have a problem with a woman president. More have a problem with a black one... (we've a long way to go on race, it seems)

Most everybody I've talked to wants a solid president though. Past that, I don't think many care. The majority of Americans have seen enough.

As I've said before, I would vote for Margaret Thatcher, Condoleeza Rice, Indira Ghandi, Benazir Bhutto, Corey Aquino, Golda Meir and PLENTY of other women in a heartbeat. Often, the woman candidate is a far superior leader.

Just not Hillary.

She's WAY farther left than Mr. Clinton, way more treacherous and A LOT smarter. For you guys on the left, consider how you'd feel dealing with a Mr. Bush with an IQ of 250. Get the picture?

Herb

LMAO.

That's a hell of a quote.

It's frustrating to see poeple so eagerly following her as if she's telling them the truth. As if they have NO idea what being pandered to is. She is the Queen of pandering.

So we might go from Bill the Philanderer to Hillary the Panderer?

Not sure that's progress.

Me neither.

Don't Blame Me I Voted for Laura Roslin.

(start watching Battlestar Galactica. All of you. Go rent season 1 and work your way from there. If you're a political wonk you'll eat this show UP)

I'll second that.

Excellent program. Lots of relevant themes played out in a nice sci-fi setting. Took me a while to get used to the edgy production values. All in all, it just works now.

Netflix is your friend for this kind of thing. Watching series programming via this service is nothing short of excellent.

Herb...
I have LOTS of problems with Hilary! #1 Her voice is so shrill that I almost vomit after 3 minutes of listening to her talk. But DUHbya does the same thing to me. #2 She's Slick Willy's wife. #3 She really has NO SOLID plan for America. #4 She's Hilary! #5 She is WAY too left. #6 Just like DUHbya she's a flip flopper. #7 Not so nice to look at. #8 IQ is 300% higher than DUHbya's so she thinks she knows everything. #9 WEAR A SKIRT SOMETIME LADY! #10 Would give DUHbya a pass/pardon if elected because she is just like every other politician. LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Trixter- I thought you said your coffee limit was 5 cups a day.

This red-blooded exclusively heterosexual American male could hug Trixter.

Maybe there is some room in the middle around here.

Herb

Herb said>>>
exclusively heterosexual.....

Why in God's name would you have to point that out??? WTF???

Chris....
It's all the Meth.... LOL!
NO coffee! YUCK! Just hot chocolate....

I'll take your coffee then Trixter, pass it along!

I'll give you my wife's Dutch Bros. cards! At least 10 free coffee's....

Trixer has a wife? Is she the one driving that lifted Chevy Duramax? Teach her how to park the thing, will ya?

Nope... Skep, she is driving a 06' Lexus GX. Closest thing to a Duramax is my Durango. The Mrs. drives and parks better than me...
I think the Duramax is Herb's mother.......

Ha ha.