Here's some interesting research:

A report published recently, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton , Pennsylvania , detailed its findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the educational community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.

There have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F.D. Roosevelt to G.W. Bush, who were rated based on scholarly achievements:

1. Writings that they produced without aid of staff.
2. Their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors, which were then scored using the Swanson/Crain System of intelligence ranking.

The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points. In order by presidential term:

In order of IQ rating:

182 . . William Jefferson Clinton [D]
175 . . James Earle Carter [D]
174 . . John Fitzgerald Kennedy [D]
155 . . Richard Milhous Nixon [R]
147 . . Franklin Delano Roosevelt [D]
132 . . Harry S Truman [D]
126 . . Lyndon Baines Johnson [D]
122 . . Dwight David Eisenhower [R]
121 . . Gerald R. Ford [R]
105 . . Ronald Wilson Reagan [R]
098 . . George Herbert Walker Bush [R]
091 . . George Walker Bush [R]

The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest at 155.

President George W. Bush rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democratic presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of
156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182.

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President G.W. Bush, his low ratings are due to his apparently difficult command of the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary [6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents], his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis.
"All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said.

"He has no published works or writings, which made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We relied more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."

The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton , Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F.Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist.

Sorry to break the word to you, but this one is a hoax.

Snopes

Have you heard that Madalyn Murray O'Hair is posthumously trying to get religious broadcasting banned?

If we are to believe the report, here are folks who have lower IQs than Nixon and far higher IQs that the shrub:

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Composer) 150
Lord Byron (English Poet) 150
Thomas Jefferson (President, Statesman, Author) 145
Benjamin Franklin (Writer, Statesman, Inventor) 145
Charles Dickens (English Writer) 145
Galileo (Astronomer) 145
Napoleon Bonaparte (Conqueror)140
Richard Wagner (Composer) 135
Charles Darwin (Scientist: Theory of Evolution) 135
Ludwig von Beethoven (Composer) 135
Leonardo da Vinci (Artist, Inventor) 135
Honore de Balzac (Writer) 130
Sir Isaac Newton (Mathematician, Scientist) 130
(Note that those below this level would likely be below the 98th percentile required for MENSA)
George Washington (Statesman, Militarist, President)125
Abraham Lincoln (President, Lawyer) 125
Johann Sebastian Bach (Composer) 125
Josef Haydn (Composer) 120
Martin Luther (Religious Reformer) 115
Rembrandt van Rindt (Dutch Painter) 110
Copernicus (Astronomer) 105
Cervantes (Writer) 105

From the "Genetic Study of Genius" Vol. 2, by Catherine Morse Cox, first printed in 1926 by Stanford Press.

Randy...Okay...my mistake. Should have looked a little deeper.

Who knows? They might have "overguesstimated" the shrub. I thought that 91 figure was ironic since an IQ test was proposed to the military with a threshold of 92 for troops to be sent to Iraq.

It wasn't Bush's score that made me suspicious - it was Clinton's. That's uh, REALLY high.

IMHO, hoax or not, I've not seen anything outta the Resident that justfies any score higher than 100.

Anyone smarter than that would have to be some kind of sociopath to live with these decisions. Once you climb high enough up the overall IQ ladder, it's obvious these kinds of moves either indicate some deep level of not caring, or stupidity.

I can sleep a bit better at night, going with stupid being at fault, rather than the alternatives.

And a village in Texas is missing_ ...

This concludes our broadcast day.

Mr. Bush had better grades than both Mr. Gore AND Mr. Kerry.

Spin that.

Herb

And therefore you think he would score higher on an IQ test?

"Mr. Bush had better grades than both Mr. Gore AND Mr. Kerry."

And that proves nothing where raw intelligence is concerned. Even Einstein said something like, "It takes a genius to discover new things, but anyone of average intelligence is able to understand them."

Getting good grades in school means, for the most part, a well refined capacity to do what you are told, and or some help getting them. That's it, until you reach PHD level, then your published work speaks for itself.

(Note the Resident does not have published works of any serious kind.)

With all the crap that has happened to this nation over his Residency, again he is either stupid or does not care. Take one example: Iraq. Anyone with any amount of brains would not have gotten themselves into an unwinnable situation. So, if the Resident is smart, then he does not care and simply saw Iraq as a means to an end that benefits whoever he thinks is worthy of the effort, not the Amercian people in general.

If he is just dumb, it's still horrible, but that means we've got some hope in that smarter ones to come can cleanup the mess.

So Herb, which is it?

I laugh at the title of this thread.....Isn't this kind of like an OxyMoron?
Politics and Intelligence never seem to go together!

Who would have guessed a hoax could be so political.

DUHbya had higher scores but if it weren't for DADDY he wouldn't have been squat!
He couldn't even find oil in Bahrain for crying out loud!

Whine, hand-wring and cry all you want.

Mr. Bush had better grades than you so-called 'intelligent' candidates who couldn't even win in their own home states!

You can put lipstick on a pig...

Herb

And we did.

So Herb, just to be clear, you believe that Bush would score higher on an IQ test than Gore and Kerry?

By the way, since it's polite to note to a player his tell, when you start a post with " Look " more often than not, you have a weak hand.

Hey, let's focus.

Bush is not an idiot, he's an incompetent manager (Google "Harkin Oil" if you have any doubts to see his pre-governmental experience being the boss).

If you've ever done any hiring, he's one of those guys who gives great interview but can't be trusted to run a strategy or make good decisions.

You can put lipstick on a pig...

But the neo-CONs can put an idiot in the White House!

I know special needs kids that could find oil in Bahrain!!!!

"So Herb, just to be clear, you believe that Bush would score higher on an IQ test than Gore and Kerry?"

I don't know. I'm merely responding to the piling on of our Commander In Chief. He wasn't even my first choice. I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary.

But I do know one thing. when it comes to an IQ test, Mr. Nixon would have beat them all.

Herb

Herb said - I don't know.

What's your best guess to my question?

Wonder if they subtracted points from Kennedy for having his book "Profiles in Courage", ghost written for him.

Probably. Yes, I bet they did. Because points deserved to be subtracted.

I'm guessing that Bush has points subtracted for having "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" ghost-read to him too.

The libs are fond of attacking President Bush's intelligence, of course, in 4 elections, 2 gov, and 2 president, he beat the best they could throw at him.

And he did pass the Air force's Pilot apptitude test, and graduated from Yale etc.

So you think those attacks are completely unfounded?

Mr. Rather lost his job because of his lying about Mr. Bush.

Herb

He graduated from a school which has a party that would close any state college in the country:

http://www.sexweekatyale.com/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1632314

Tomorrow's dictators, financial swindlers and shameless opportunists sure know how to throw a good bash. With that many privileged white kids on white drugs, I wonder if Geronimo's skull gets the business too?

Herb, what are you talking about? It was a simple question - Do you think that Bush would score better on an IQ test than Kerry and Gore?

Herb

I do, but in any event because Mr. Bush is a Godly man, I'll take God's wisdom over man's flawed intellect.

Herb

I think President Bush would score much better than Gore, and slightly higher than kerry.

The academic standards to get through the Air forces UPT, and then the advance fighter training course are very high.

Neither kerry or Gore has completed anything like it.

Kerry was a Naval officer with a higher level of training than a spoiled rich kid who did lines of blow, ran around in an F-102A and arranged his schedule so that he could skip out on his urinalysis. Kerry also served in battle with honors, while the shrub battled the honor system at college. One is a hero and one is a zero. One went, while the other spent.

OK. Believe whatever you want - I just wanted to know what you believed. We disagree. No big deal. But that's a tough pill for me to swallow.

No, Kerry was a reservist, that completed the simplest basic course officer course. He didnt complete any of the advanced officer courses.
Kerrys biggest claim to fame, is shooting a wounded, unarmed prisoner.

President Bush on the other hand, flew advanced fighters for the reserves, which is one of the most dangerous occupations there is.

Flying over the Gulf of Mexico and pretend fighting on the taxpayer dollar is not one of the most dangerous occupations. In fact, it wouldn't make the top 50 -- unless he was flying. Convenience store clerks, taxi drivers, filling station attendants and railyard workers get killed and hurt even more often than policemen. Reserve pilots got killed on motorcycles, drunk, going home from the officer's club at 3 am.

I don't care if Kerry peeled potatoes for three years, he went to Vietnam. Period. Salute the man and keep your back straight. They wouldn't let the shrub sniff an F-4 or the F-101, so it is time to stop pretending that he wasn't just a stupid hot head jock with a Daddy-ferment. All our best pilots saw combat, damn near all of our good pilots saw combat and that leaves him, where?

Your wrong, flying the F102, statistically was very dangerous, and required a very smart, well coordinated person.

Kerry served most of his tour on a ship well of the coast of vietnam. Sure he served about 2 months in country.

Yes, I with admit, the old Delta Dagger was a widowmaker, but that is how the Air Force has always dealt with idiots. Back in WWII, they gave the flyboy jerks some real bad tin and if it took them to their maker, they were less of a risk to a unit in the long run. He figured out how to fly one bird after his trainer days and they were probably not thrilled with the prospect of expanding his resume to birds we actually needed for the war. In fact, his parents probably insisted he spend time in a photo-op plane and not a combat ready fighter.

"Operations with both the F-102A and TF-102A two-seater (which was used in a Forward Air Control role because its two seats and 70-mm rockets offered good versatility for the mission) in Vietnam until 1968 when all aircraft were sent back to the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-102_Delta_Dagger

And Hitler could paint.

I was talking about IQ. That's a fair way to measure most things when it comes to imtelligence. You think that Kerry and Gore's IQ were lower than Bush and you base that on their respective military duties. That's odd to me. But ok. I accept it.

Flying jet fighters is a measure of someones intelligence, just passing the qualification test.

I worked for one of the biggest jerks ever, he flew a retired fighter jet and lived to tell. He wasn't bright enough to put out his cigarette when refueling, he ran up the jet inside the hangar and he used the aircraft as a way to get women. Was he a genius? No, he was merely smart and not all that wise.

As the adage still goes, "There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots."

I am with CJ on this one. In my aviation experiences, I have met some real brilliant people and some adventurous people, but they were not one and the same. You don't have to be smart when you are lucky.

Then why does he seem so dumb now? What am I missing? I admit, I have a hard time with it. I'm just trying to wait things out and laugh when I want to scream - but I just can't ignore that deeply seated feeling that this man is not smart today. I mean, it almost feels like my gift of discernment is just RAGING red and blue flashing lights about this guy's brain. I don't know about 25 years ago. Frankly, I don't care as much about then as I do now. But right now?...wow.

You guys point to things as if to say " A man as dumb as you fear could never do these things I list here." I just disagree with that kind of criteria on just about every level. You use different criteria. That's what I was asking about. So now I know, I guess.

Jet jocks, snowboarders, base jumpers, surfers, rock climbers... all adventurous, some downright brilliant, but really, would you take all of these guys to a spelling bee? Or just a few? Fear is often a sign of intelligence too, it keeps the bright ones alive.

I wasnt using the fact that he was a pilot as an indicator of intellegence, but the fact that he passed the air force Pilot apptitude test.

None of Bush's "accomplishments" or the fact that Herb sees him as a Godly man, makes him a good President.

I know plenty of Godly men and women who would put Bush to shame for his lack of Godly wisdom. If Bush is so Godly why did he not listen to some of the world's religious leaders who said war with Iraq is morally wrong? The previous pope scolded Bush.

Playing the Godly man card just doesn't cut it for me Herb, it's simply ignorant.

What makes him a good president, is that he has done exactly what he said he would. has help America's interest first. Has taken the hard steps to put the economy on a solid footing. And taken a pro family stance.

All of which drives the libs crazy.

"he has done exactly what he said he would."
All of it wrong.

"has help America's interest first."
Telling the rest of the world to go F**K themselves is not the same as putting america first.

"Has taken the hard steps to put the economy on a solid footing."
In China and India. While accruing more debt than all previous administrations combined.

"And taken a pro family stance."
I think that there may be some Iraqi families that disagree with that assesment.

"All of which drives the libs crazy."

And many conservatives too. What's THEIR excuse? You can't just dismiss my valid points and arguements by saying " You feel that way because you, as a liberal, are not getting out of this administration what you want. Your liberal agenda is not seeing success! " and expect me to go " oh, you're right. I'm so busted. All my premises all false and I am the one who is a poor judge of character."

So it's not just liberals who have a problem with what kind of job he has done and is PLANNING to do - it's many more than just me.

YOU are in the minority. But only YOU see the wisdom in all of this. Got it.

So you think that when I criticize Bush, it's because I am a liberal? You don't think that I have the ability to give him the proper amount of credit because I am a liberal?

Nearly all of the investigations after the 200 election show that President Bush would have won the recount.

And I didnt say people oppose the president because their liberals, just that the ideas of the president are pretty much opposite of most liberals.

Oh. Well that's different then.

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
George W Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, 25th September 2000

"I think war is a dangerous place."
George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 7, 2003

"Just remember it's the birds that's supposed to suffer, not the hunter."
George W. Bush, advising quail hunter Pete Domenici, Roswell, New Mexico, Jan. 22, 2004

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we, they never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we."
George W Bush at a Pentagon meeting, August 2004

"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."
George W Bush, CNN online chat, 30th August 2000

"This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."
George W Bush, Al Smith Memorial Dinner in New York, 19th October 2000

"Boy, they were big on crematoriums, weren't they?"
George W Bush, after touring the Auschwitz death camp, Chicago Sun-Times, 29th January 1992

"You're all going to hell."
George W Bush joking about what he would say to Israeli Jews upon arriving in the Middle East in 1993, Austin-American Statesman, 1st December 1998

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
George W Bush, CNN, 18th December 2000

"Desert Storm. We sold a lot of tickets."
George W Bush joking about the commercial advantages of being George Bush's son, and part owner of a baseball stadium, Larry King Live, CNN, 16th August 1992

Question: "When you're not talking about politics, what do you and your father talk about?"
Bush: "Pussy."
To David Fink of the Hartford Courant, at the 1988 Republican Convention, Salon, 9th April 2000

"Nearly all of the investigations after the 200 election show that President Bush would have won the recount. "


This is not true.

I don't have the link handy, but the Miami Post reported that out of x scenarios Gore would have won in more than half of them. Let's say that's an error and that it would have been 50/50 or even worse, 60/40, etc...

What didn't happen that should have, is that the people of Florida should have decided how they were gonna count those votes, then they should have actually counted them. Of course, each precinct would have been free to make that decision, under the law that was in effect at the time.

That would have been democracy, and we were denied it. Bush was selected, not elected in 2000.

We will never know who would have won that election, and that's a problem. If you go read the court decision, they even state this being the case, and specifically make reference to the idea that Bush V Gore should not be used as a basis for future court decisions!

One more time, the take away is:

We don't know who would have won. Bush was Selected, not Elected, and those are the facts.

Missing is correct. I don't know how many investigations were conducted, but one of the most comprehensive and analytically precise was done by the Media Consortium. Here's the pdf of the final report:

http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf

The organizations that eventually formed the consortium were the Associated Press, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The St. Petersburg Times, The Palm Beach Post and Tribune Publishing, which includes the Los Angeles Times, South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Orlando Sentinel and Chicago Tribune.

The report makes no final declaration of the "real winner" but presents a variety of scenarios. If the limited recount of undervotes ("hanging chads") called for by Gore had been allowed to proceed, they predict Bush would have won. However, if a full statewide recount had been allowed to move forward, then almost certainly Gore would have won.

Ironically, according to the report, each side in Bush v. Gore was presenting an opinion that would have worked against their own best interests. Gore only wanted to deal with the anomolous votes, while the Bush team kept insisting that the only "fair" way to recount was to recount every single vote. Of course, Bush knew that the Supreme Court would reject a full recount as impractical, and would therefore simply accept the Katherine Harris -certified Bush win.

But...had the Supreme Court called Bush's bluff and ordered a full state recount, we'd probably be in the Gore administration right now. And Bush might be winning an Acadamy Award for Best Documentary titled, "Kyoto: An Inconvenient Truce"

Sometimes others say it best.

"...Like everyone else, we [my wife and I] have a bad case of Bush fatigue. The very sound of the name, that little puff of breath and the shush, is an irritant. He is the not-too-bright brother-in-law who is employed doing something, you're not sure what, and meanwhile he's totaled your car four times. If he waved goodbye tomorrow and got on the bus to Crawford, everybody would feel better. But he got elected because he seemed convivial and Al Gore seemed pedantic and ill at ease..." Garrison Keillor.

nwokie sez: "The academic standards to get through the Air forces UPT, and then the advance fighter training course are very high."

And to think the brillant george w bush lost it all by failing to show up for something simple as a routine medical exam.

if there ever was a clue indicative of a potential bad president, that was it.

Didn't I read somewhere that Bush was only trained to pilot planes that were obsolete, and no longer used in Viet Nam?

Why would you ask us what you read somewhere?

cochise, why haven't you ever posted something of substance on this side of the forum?

mrs m, yep you are right. the texas air guard flew planes one stop from the scrap yard.

Because, Mr. Fromunda Camel-Toe-Cheese, 1) I figured someone else here would know off the top of their head, 2) I was too tired to go look it up at 11:30. and 3) I don't care enough to waste time doing research on the shrub.

Did I hear a Troll? Trolls do not scroll through the thread and look for any information that might have been presented in part or in depth, already.

"Did I hear a Troll?"

If your argument was much to speak of, you wouldn't need ad hominem name calling.

Herb

I disagree. You don't get to tell us how to talk, Herb.

Defend name-calling if you wish. But if someone does it to you, it's out of bounds.

That's an inconvenient truth.

Herb

A plane is about to crash. There are 5 passengers on board, but there are only 4 parachutes.

The first passenger says:
I am Ronaldo the best football player in the world. The football world needs me and I cannot die on my fans.
He grabs the first parachute and jumps out of the plane.

The second passenger, Hillary Clinton, says:
I am the wife of the former President of the United States, I am a senator of New York State and I have a good chance of being President of the United States in the future.
She grabs the second parachute and jumps out of the plane.

The third passenger, George W. Busch, says:
I am the President of the United States of America. I have huge responsibilities in the world. Besides, I am the smartest president in the history of my country and can’t shun the responsibility to my people by dying.
He grabs a pack and jumps out of the plane.

The fourth passenger, The Pope, says to the fifth passenger, a young school boy:
I am old. I have lived my life as a good person as a priest should so I shall leave the last parachute to you; you have the rest of your life ahead of you.

To this the little boy says:
Don’t fret old man; there is a parachute for each of us! The smartest President of America took my school backpack!


** PLONK **

" Defend name-calling if you wish. But if someone does it to you, it's out of bounds."

I disagree. So you can add " You don't get to tell us how to think." too. You want control of me SO badly. You cannot have it.

You still don't get it, and see self-control as handing control over to others. It's the opposite.

Besides, people are more receptive to a solid argument than ad-hominem attacks.

Wanna name-call? Then have it your way. You only hand credibility to your opponent.

Herb

Again, I disagree with all of that. That's YOUR opinion.

President Bush was trained on National Guard aircraft, F102, which are air defense fighters, most of hte aircraft in Vietnam were fighter bombers, at no time did the North ever threaten to send bombers or fighters south of the DMZ.

President Bush served over 5 years in the Guard, at which time the Air force started equiping Guard units with its older F4's. The then Lt bush had a decision to make, to keep flying he would have to add several years to his guard obligation so he could go through F4 transition, which is about a year course on active duty.

His other option was to get out, and he did what most guardsmen of the era did, when he was no longer needed, he completed his drills through other, accepted means.

all a guardsman has to do to be credited with a good year, is receive 50 points, and they give you 15 for being alive. Lt Bush received his additional 35 points, thereby completing his guard obligation.

OK. Fine. He is actually really smart. I'm just not smart enough to see it for myself.

CJ...George is so smart he can read upside down and backwards.....see the following:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/TinkerbellBrat/Political/Political%20300/ Pol300-Bush_Reading.jpg

What a DORK!

And with his Superman X-Ray vision he can see right through those lens cap's on Binoculars to! LOL

http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/images/fun/bushpower.jpg

Again...What a DORK!

nwokie sez: "President Bush was trained . . .(blah blah blah) . . . thereby completing his guard obligation.

Hmm, a nice spin on losing an airman's certificate for failing to show up for a routine medical exam.

It is simply a question of urinalysis. If he had shown up, he would have pissed dirty, lost his ticket anyway and -- even as a "Fortunate Son" -- he would have been in deep deep doo-doo. So, he skipped out, ran away, sucked a beer and laughed.

If he were caught at the time, his Texas Rangers employee, Rafael Palmiero, would have been busted too. This is about wily, not smart. This is about connections, not genius. Raffy didn't have a rich white daddy to make excuses, plain and simple.

So, if he is such a goddamn brilliant mind, how come he comes off like such an unforgivable dumbass? It isn't just perception, we've sacrificed almost a hundred young Oregonians to his death machine for a series of ever changing lies. That isn't genius, that is homicide.

By the way, the crappy newer fighters, like the F-15 and F-16 would not have been integrated so quickly, but the ANG had results from the William Tell competition cooked. Our Oregon boys kicked the youngsters asses for years with our Phantoms, but the gravy boat defense contractors who drive the bus, stole their legacy. So, anyone who thinks I do not hold Guard pilots in the highest esteem does not know me. I only hold one former pilot in low regard, an opinion shared by most of the Air Force including the top kicks.

Again, he's either stupid, or a sociopath of some kind. Neither is good, pick one.

The problem we have with our leader is that he is stupid:
"Author: Darktemper
Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:52 am

Don’t fret old man; there is a parachute for each of us! The smartest President of America took my school backpack!"


The big question:
"Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:51 pm

Do you think that Bush would score better on an IQ test than Kerry and Gore?"


The modest and wry answer:
"Author: Herb
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:53 pm

Herb"


One of a million reasons for those results:
"Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:37 am

I'm guessing that Bush has points subtracted for having "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" ghost-read to him too."


No child left behind, except the shrub:
"Author: Trixter
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 10:11 am

I know special needs kids that could find oil in Bahrain!!!!"


The weight of stupidity is wearing America out:
"Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 1:39 pm

I'm just trying to wait things out and laugh when I want to scream - but I just can't ignore that deeply seated feeling that this man is not smart today. I mean, it almost feels like my gift of discernment is just RAGING red and blue flashing lights about this guy's brain...wow."


Diplomacy is not a dish best served cold:
"Author: Amus
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 4:01 pm

Telling the rest of the world to go F**K themselves is not the same as putting America first."


Things could be so different today:
"Author: Missing_kskd
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 5:39 pm

We don't know who would have won. Bush was Selected, not Elected, and those are the facts."


Oh, how history would have changed:
"Author: Edselehr
Monday, February 26, 2007 - 6:00 pm

But...had the Supreme Court called Bush's bluff and ordered a full state recount, we'd probably be in the Gore administration right now. And Bush might be winning an Acadamy Award for Best Documentary titled, "Kyoto: An Inconvenient Truce"


Darktemper reaffirms America's feelings:
"Author: Darktemper
Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 4:28 pm

Again...What a DORK!"


Finally, at last, consensus:
"Author: Herb
Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:47 am

That's an inconvenient truth.

Herb"


And so, we say goodnight:
"Author: Andy_brown
Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 8:32 pm

And a village in Texas is missing_ ...

This concludes our broadcast day."

*Star Spangled Banner*

missing it's idiot and in DC there is an idiot missing his village!

Thought I'd finish that for ya there!

Rockin' Dark Temper! Kayarrrdeeeeteeeee!

Duly noted!

I hope you realize that was no-way aimed at you...I was just finishing Littles statement he started at the end of his post!

And a village in Texas is missing_ ...
missing it's idiot and in DC there is an idiot missing his village!

No worries Dark!

It would take a lot more than that to get me brewing.

Not that it never happens in here though right!
Just wanted to square that....at first glance it looks as if I was calling you that!

gosh, everybodys so darn polite in this forum.

I think we're just getting some crap out of our system and doing some damage control about past shit said too. It's important to get it all out.