http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19518

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3315/8570/

Lars, are you just desperate for attention? Are your ratings sagging? I happened to tune into your show this week for the first time in a while, long enough for you to report on the latest about the Salt Lake City mall shooting, only to add, "We're still trying to confirm whether the shooter was a Muslim or not." I think that sums up your attitude pretty well.

Andrew

Ssssh. Pete & Andrew, he's gotta gun. Yeah, good idea, we can talk over here in the playground at the school. Yeah, were safe now, the kids are all around us. Whoops, here's your ball back little buddy. Good arm! Yeah, he might show them his gun, but he won't fire it at them. Um, I don't think so anyway. Yeah, you're right, he does look kinda squirrely. I'd hate to see these kids get hurt, let's split. Man, he really never gets any sun does he?

Here is virtually all of Lars' military experience:
http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=1223

He talks a good game. One of the best chatterboxes in our town's history. When his tongue disappears that deep into the caverns of the equally crazy, he can't help but end up with a few "service stripes." He is smarter about people than the former "Don" of defense, though that is saying very little. Still, he is far better at his radio job than Rummy was at the DoD, which is why Donald is stuffing ketchups into a sack at a drive-up window. Between the two gentlemen in the interview there is a sum total of -- *drum roll please* -- three entire years of service to our country in the Armed Forces. No, none of it was Lars. God Bless Amnesia.

I am not here to excuse Thom Hartmann. He did what he felt he had to do to save his own ass from a really tragic and criminal war. I know men who starved to flunk the physical. I know men who went and came back crippled in mind, body and spirit. I am proud of any American who did what they felt was best, believed it in their heart and acted accordingly. I don't need a bonafide radical who hides in a fortress to out the lily-livered among us. Especially one who has bent over backwards to excuse the cowardice of top officials in office that did not serve a day in battle.

Of course, this is why I like to enjoy music on my radio -- and Fatboy & Cort, of course. :o)

I double checked and I did trim some valuable chair time from Rummy. Make that, Rumsfeld's active military service was from 1954-57. Those were the only three years that Donald wasn't just a desk pilot. It looks like he barely got past his butterbar, or ensign, as the swabbies say. He hung around the Reserves for a paycheck and to help set up his friends in large defense companies. What a guy, eh?

Who started this compliment piece on Lars. He's dumber than a Dumb Ass. Oh I insulted Herb's Hero.

Indeed, I do like Lars.

Herb

Question: Why didn't Lars ever serve in the military?

Answer: He always loved money and his own safety more than service to his country.

Rule 1 in the Con-servative playbook:

When you cannot attack the message, attack the messenger.

The guy commited a crime, and now all the libs are running to his defense!

Jimmy carters pardon probably coveres him.

"managed to flunk a physical" does *not* imply any kind of dishonesty.. I managed to stub my toe at work this morning, does that mean I'm shooting for a workmans comp claim?

The choice of words was entirely Carlin's, so maybe we should go for 1st-hand sources rather than 3rd-hand hearsay.

Nwokie: "The guy commited a crime, and now all the libs are running to his defense!"

Thom Hartmann said on his local show yesterday that he has a honorable discharge from the Air Force. I dare say that neither you Nwokie nor Lars Larson knows what a DD214 is.

The truth of the matter is that Larson is in the gutter on this and Thom would never use this kind of rhetoric against anyone. Lars is a successful radio talk show host and I don't understand why he has to go there.

But he admits that he purposefully failed a physical.

And yes I know what a DD214 is, I have 5 of them.

Nwokie, I too have DD214s and almost got discharged from the Army when failing the pyhsical test in basic training, but I refused to give up and made it through with a promotion.


Hartmann, though, says he failed a physical, not a physical test, so I have to trust the doctors at the time would have know if he was faking.

The quote:
"Hartmann managed to flunk an end-of-basic training physical, earning a quick ticket back to civilian life."

Came from the Oregonian, not from Hartmann.

Since when do you believe everything you read in the filthy lying liberal mainstream media.

When it's convenient?

Be interesting to see the discharge code on his 214.

Something John kerry has never produced

Wow, Imagine that. In a city full or liberals and this place is 99% liberal I find it so shocking to see an anti Lars topic.

Well, the guy does ask for it.

And frankly, he does not mind it one bit!

If he is being talked about, he's on his way to getting his numbers. At the end of the day, love him or hate him, he does get his numbers!

Listen, folks, we would not attack Lars unless we were afraid of the power he has. Even the Big O 'fishwrapper" bows down to him.

He attacked Hartmann because he knows Hartmann can kick his ass and will do so to Limbaugh.

Face it, Lars fears Hartmann's power even more than we so-called liberals fear Lars'.

For what it's worth, this left leaning person does not fear Lars in the least.

Lars' message inspires no fear,
A shaky-handed loony nutbag with a gun does.
So long as he simply turns wind into cash,
We have nothing to fear.

You guys talk pretty tough on line.
But look at what you're doing. Typical ad hominem attacks. I've never seen this much venom, except in a snake pit.

I'd like to see you go toe-to-toe with Lars in a debate on the issues. Then not only would you have to engage, you'd have to try to defend your own liberal positions.

Herb

I've done that a time or two on e-mail.

When pinned down with something nasty, like his own contradictions, or some other poorly defensible thing, he will dodge or go silent.

On air, he often uses his quicker response time to distract callers. It's rare to hear a more or less complete debate with him.

It does happen and he's often good about it, but he also largely avoids it.

I like the guy, I just don't harbor many illusions about his overall credence these days. He used to be a lot better about it than he currently is.

Alright, I admit it, I am beat hands down. He does, without a doubt, get more nutrition from his nose than I do. I am beyond ashamed for not measuring up to his prowess in the art of nasal cuisine.

Here, it's akin to coyotes ganging up on prey. Ten on one piling on. And that's without you guys even being challenged. Talk about cheap shots.

One on one with Mr. Larson, you guys aren't likely to encounter much except your need for a miserable and hasty retreat...and that's on a good day.

I agree with much of what Lars says...and even so, I wouldn't want to debate an opposing position against him. So disagree with his views if you wish, but there's no need to get personal. I don't like Mr. Kulongoski's lousy 'pro-choice' politics at all, but I don't hate the governor. I simply want to replace him with a pro-life guy.

Herb

Done via e-mail, or judged in a venue real time, I think you would be surprised. Lars is good and quick, but he's also prepped compared to his callers.

At the end of the day though, by percentage of words uttered since the Residency, the Lars BS ratio is far worse than Thoms.

...and of course this is exactly why Thom is not gonna engage Lars on this, other than to state the facts and move on. Thom does hold some extreme views, but he works very hard to support them and has ratings on that basis, not via contraversy.

Finally, if this conversation upsets him so much, he's been invited to participate more than once. The register button is easily found and there are plenty of people here willing to engage him.

It's not hard, and clearly below his radar. (As it should be.) To his credit, he nearly always answers e-mail. He will even go a coupla rounds most of the time.

"I've done that a time or two on e-mail.

When pinned down with something nasty, like his own contradictions, or some other poorly defensible thing, he will dodge or go silent. "

Ditto..
And that's exactly the problem...He dodges it,and reorts to the same kinda of name-calling,and other BS tactics. He's a spineless creep.Don't get me started on the contradictions..pfft..

"Here, it's akin to coyotes ganging up on prey. Ten on one piling on. And that's without you guys even being challenged. Talk about cheap shots. "

He's the one who started the "cheap shots"..I'm merely resorting to "His Level"...maybe he'll finally catch a clue.(But I'm not counting on it.)

It should make you ask: Gee,Why might all these people be so mad at him?

"Done via e-mail, or judged in a venue real time, I think you would be surprised."

I was only suprised to see what a whining baby he really is...Duck and dodge,then when you confront him again,he resorts to name-calling and other crap.
I don't think he has a clue one way or the other,He's merely 'stirring the pot',which he obviously does very well.

"To his credit, he nearly always answers e-mail. He will even go a coupla rounds most of the time."

Yea,only until you stick it to him,then he runs and hides,and if that doesn't work he resorts to insulting you.

He didn't know a damn thing about the subject he and I discussed(and he held a lie-filled show about),He had the facts all wrong.Yet he belittled a public saftey person,who is one of,if not *THE* best in her field.
Little did he know,her boyfriend <evilgrin> is a ruthless a-hole who can hold a grudge for decades.
I'm sure he still remembers me,since I was worth avoiding for a couple weeks.
I'm still waiting Lars.

"Ssssh. Pete & Andrew, he's gotta gun. Yeah, good idea, we can talk over here in the playground at the school. Yeah, were safe now, the kids are all around us."

Don't count on it.
And *NEVER* knock on his door un-announced.You're likely to get shot-I'm not F'n kidding.
God forbid you run out of gas,and need to use a phone.That's a "shoot on sight" offence,according to him.

Yea,he 'mentioned' his gun once or twice during our conversation..
One might even consider that a "Threat".

"It should make you ask: Gee,Why might all these people be so mad at him?"

He's a talk show host. It's his job to get people talking about his show. And look what you're doing here...talking about his show.

Every post here is a 'win' for Mr. Larson.

Herb

Which is exactly why he's not worried about this conversation in the least, right?

I said it's his job to get people talking about his show. The excessive piling on is hardly warranted, nor desired.

Herb

I disagree.

He does not care about us one lick. Count on it. We are a bunch of schulbs, yacking about stuff on a lame message board.

If we are talkiing about him, we have either listened, are listening or have friends listening. That's numbers and those are good for Lars.

It takes some measure of self-confidence to do what he does. I think his skin is more than thick enough to handle what's been written here.

Finally, if he actually cared about his credence, in terms of being an accurate and trusworthy source of news and information, he would not engage in his often highly partisan positions, that actually often contradict his positions from earlier when he was not so focused on the success of the GOP in general.

At the end of the day, he works hard, makes good money and lives well.

Trust me when I say anything we do here will cause him zero worries.

I've conversed with the guy, on air, via e-mail and off air studio call to follow up. I like him and know him well enough to know he's more than up to taking the heat doing what he does will bring him.

He's got no special entitlement. He's a big kid, just like the rest of us, knows what he is doing, and it's worth it to him, or he would not be doing it. Knowing there are these kinds of conversations happening is an artifact of that.

Again, if he were really worried, he change what he does. At some point, it becomes not worth it and he's not there yet.

Why should we grant Lars any deference? He stepped up to offer his opinions and clearly enjoys doing it. Spin pays and pays well. The downside is people talking about it, like we are right now.

I think the whole thing is self-correcting anyway. Too much spin, bias, insulting, talking down, etc... and public perception in general goes south, numbers go down, and it will come to an end.

Where he strikes this balance is really his deal, not ours. Talking about that --expressing negativity about that is all on the table.

Thom Hartmann suffers from mental disorder.

Lars works for one thing only: money.

That is why he did not run for governor, as the stations said he would have to give up his job to do so.

If liberals controlled talk radio, rather than conservatives, he would be a liberal.

"Lars works for one thing only: money. That is why he did not run for governor, as the stations said he would have to give up his job to do so."

I don't know of too many people who don't work for money to a certain degree. And between his state and national shows, if Mr. Larson were to become governor, he'd be taking one heck of a pay cut.

Herb

Most of our governors all took major pay cuts to serve. Thus, they spoke with action, not hot air like Lars.

If he REALLY cared about Oregon, he would move back here and run for office. He would not win, and he knows it.

Herb writes:
I don't know of too many people who don't work for money to a certain degree. And between his state and national shows, if Mr. Larson were to become governor, he'd be taking one heck of a pay cut.


Oh, I don't know. I'm sure he would get some pretty generous kickbacks from his big business buddies.

Herb writes:
I'd like to see you go toe-to-toe with Lars in a debate on the issues. Then not only would you have to engage, you'd have to try to defend your own liberal positions.


I'd like that too. It's too bad Lars, Rush and the rest of that ilk cut your microphone every time you say something they don't want on their show. Think about that before you talk about fair debating.

"If we are talkiing about him, we have either listened, are listening or have friends listening. That's numbers and those are good for Lars."

I've never listened to him or his show,except for that one time,and never plan to.

The only thing that's thick is his skull.

I've heard Lars. And I've listened to him. I don't like his content or style. So there. I just thought I'd weigh in with that important information.

Plus, I have a new keybaord. I wanted you guys to be the first to see it in action.

You're welcomdlsdsvoi vdnldllllllllllllllll.

Chickenjuggler, your new keyboard is already infinitely more interesting than Lars.

Your old keyboard dispensed much more truth and good humor, perhaps to fewer folks, but we do appreciate it nonetheless.

Raise a frosty, shot or coffee to the new keyboard. It will tell more truth in the next few days than Lars will all month. CJ's Keyboard! Hoorah!

Speaking of a frosty - listen to me drink one...or 7.

http://loudcity.com/station/1180.aspx

This old dial-up putt putt wouldn't give me the stream, but I am checking back in when I am in this century. I dig the playlist, it really sounds like my kind of station. :0)

While I am thanking folks for sharing good stuff, Missing deserves some praise for this:
http://www.pdxradiospots.com/archives/2005_01_01_archive.html

Folks, these are both hyper-links that are more fun than Lars, guaranteed. Take the tangent and skip the tantrum. :o)

The artical in the fishwrapper said Tom Hartman was good at "synthizing information". That means he is good at making up information, thus, FAKING information! Do you want real information or "synthized" information?
Perhaps he gave the air force doctor synthized medical symptoms?

Who is Tom Hartman? Never heard of him.

Andrew

62kgw, you are the one FAKING information.

"Synthesize" means to assemble or put together. (Conversely, "analyze" means to disassemble or take apart)

So, Thom Hartmann might analyze one of the President's speeches sentence-by-sentence in order to better understand his policy statement, then synthesize all the Iraq speeches the President has given to get a better "big picture" idea of the Adminstration's war policy over time.


If you are going to be blindly conservative, please at least do it intelligently like Herb (remember, I love you man.)

Oh, 62kgw is just pissed that Thom Hartmann gets better ratings on AM 620 than Elvis did.

Andrew

So Elvis went from working at a Burger King in Kalamazoo to progressive talk show host? Cool. Hunka-Hunka burning liberal.

Do you want a real Whopper, or a Synthesized Meat Whopper with your fries?

Thom Hartmann might also do a Vulcan Mind Meld to get in to W's thoughts!

Is Thom pronounced like Tom, or do you need to pronounce it more like Thumb ?

Elvis has returned to the building in Duluth !

They're the same thing. All hamburger is synthesized from various cuts of beef. *Hey, you're getting it!*

If you want to prononce Thom as Thumb, then you'll have to pronounce Thomas as Thumbass. Try that next time you read "Thomas the Tank Engine" to your kids.

Your Vulcan Mind Meld comment went right past me.

And yes, Elvis lives. thankyouverymuch.

"If you are going to be blindly conservative, please at least do it intelligently like Herb (remember, I love you man.)"

I love you too, Edselehr. Man, that was the kindest backhandfisted comment I've EVER received!
As Mr. Clinton might ask, can I get fries with that?

Herbert Milhous Nixon IV

Nice ad hominem attacks against Thom, 62kgw, without even a single consideration of what he stands for, what his show is like, etc. (Since you don't know how to pronounce his name, presumably you've never listened to him.). FYI, I dismiss Lars based on his show and how he conducts it. I respect his talent as a broadcaster, however, and I wouldn't attack him personally.

Andrew

Don't need to waste my time with listening to T.H., the comment about Pres Johnson wanting to kill him tells me enough. Just another looney toon of the far left.

I have never heard from or about Thom Hartman. We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

It sounds like you have misunderstood what Hartmann meant (perhaps on purpose?) - but I have no doubt that many on the right simply dismiss things and stereotype them without much thought, as you have here. Thanks to Thom Hartmann's show, I've heard many conservative voices who actually are thoughtful people whom I respect - even if I disgree with them strongly. You would do well to follow their example instead of keeping your mind slammed shut.

Andrew

"I have no doubt that many on the right simply dismiss things and stereotype them without much thought.."

Talk about a sweeping generalization.

If anyone here said that about the left, there would be heck [since the concept of hell is not PC] to pay.

Herb

Herb, do you know the difference between the words "many," "most," and "all?" I used "many" which doesn't make my statement a generalization. Most of the time. :-)

Andrew

Look. If I said that many on the American left are either socialists or outright communists [WHICH IS TRUE], are you telling me you wouldn't gripe?

Herb

I wouldn't gripe. Many of them are (some would certainly call Hartmann a socialist). But certainly not all on the left are socialists; THAT would be a generalization, Herb.

Andrew

Well good for you, then. At least you're on the level about it.

But let's just look at the personal nature of the attack for this very thread:

DUMB ASS Larson VERBALLY ATTACKS Thom Hartmann.

How ironic is that? The liberal who named this thread is indignant that Mr. Larson would verbally attack Mr. Hartmann. Yet WHAT IS Listenerpete himself doing? Attacking Mr. Larson by name-calling.

You can't make this stuff up.

Herbert Milhous

So glad I can go opinion less on this thread because I don't listen to talk radio period. You all have strengthened my stance with this recent dribble of chat. That goes for both sides.

Andrew2, so what did he mean and what did you think I thought he meant? Did he not mean what he said?

62kgw, I thought Hartmann was being a little facetious in his comments. I assume he was alluding to the fact that LBJ was sending a lot of Americans overseas for a pointless war in which a lot of them were going to get killed and Hartmann didn't want to be one of them. Dick Cheney and George W. Bush certainly didn't want to be one of them, either, from their recorded actions.

You comment that Hartmann is "Just another looney toon" led me to believe you thought Hartmann bought into sort of conspiracy theory to have him killed personally or just people like him. What did you mean if not that?

Andrew

" fact that LBJ was sending a lot of Americans overseas for a pointless war"
That is not a factual statement. The point was to prevent communism from spreading. Opps, if forgot, many on the left ARE communists or communist affiliates, for whom the point is/was pointless.

I was not clear what he meant. Could have been either of what you said, the looney toon conspiricy (LBJ didn't like people with long hair under 30, and wanted 'em dead), or the dismissive mean spirited hate based oversimplistic sweeping generalization about the war.

When Clinton sent military planes to bomb Iraq, (also Yugoslavia) was he trying to kill the pilots?

You're trying to change the subject. Let's stick to Hartmann, what he was actually saying, and how you dismissed him without even having heard him as "Just another looney toon." Whether you agree with him or not, can't you at least be honest about what he meant to say? Or did you have your mind made up even before you read a word that he said, knowing only that he had replaced Elvis on 620AM and was part of liberal Air America?

By the way, I think I have a better read on what Hartmann meant than you ever would, having listened to his show for years. To me there's a lot of context to his comments that one can't get from a blurb in the Oregoninan. But if you want to make assumptions about someone, no doubt you'll interpret a few printed remarks in whichever way supports your preconceived notions.

An open-minded person would listen to Thom Hartmann before actually labeling him and stereotyping him. If you did so and disagree with him, fine - I do the same thing with many of the conservatives on his show (and sometimes, I agree with his conservative guest and not with Thom). I listened to Lars, Hannity, Rush, even Savage (not lately, thankfully) before making up my mind about them. I wouldn't dream of dismissing a right talker as a "kook" without giving him/her a fair hearing first - that would be...stupid.

Andrew

First of all, I was a regular KGW listener before Craig got his morning show. Elvis, an immensely talented kid who was "synthesized" into a cartoon character who died on the toilet, was not in rotation nearly as much as 10cc, Chicago, Bread or America or Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Electric Light Orchestra or Rita Coolidge or... No, his royal hindquarters had expanded, his fan base had shrunk and he was usually found grazing in a Vegas pasture. They rolled him out when he died and went back to the Doobie Brothers.

Secondly, for all our differences and crossed swords, some folks here at least attempt to provide facts. It is hard to navigate down slippery slopes without supporting facts either in the post or a reply. We maintain some respect for one another on any given issue with facts. Those are the facts. Here is one more: KGW is gone. Forever.

I'm gonna read another winning number. Quick, scan those thousands of stickers! Yes, you know you have them. I bet you were the jerk who grabbed the whole stack. There had to be fifty or more of them on the counter at the Eastport Plaza Burger King. I bet you were that schmuck. Remember us? We were the kids who waited our turn in line and watched yet another "cool guy" teach us how overrated "adulthood" is when you have no wisdom.

(edit)

To return to topic, and along those lines of "lessons learned" and whatnot. Lars was an anchorman and reporter for a long time. In fact, I liked his work. Like many Portlanders, I felt betrayed when he left journalism to pursue a career in opinion. He is not the man he was when he presented insight on our community at 10 o'clock. He is not a hack, he is a top radio entertainer. There is no need for facts in that line of work. Thom simply provides them as a bonus.

Herb said>>>
You can't make this stuff up.

That's why we let you neo-CONers fling it out there. It's amazing the GARBAGE that you'll print and say to get your LIES across to the audience.
AMAZING!!!!

Keep it up your playing right into the Dems hands.....

STAND UP True Republicans! Be heard!! These neo-fascist right wing idiots are just plain blow hards!!!!

Stop. Just stop. Nobody here is buying that TRUE REPUBLICAN crap. Smells like a liberal, acts like a liberal, probably is a liberal.

Toecheese...
I won't stop!
Acts like a neo-CON fascist right winged blow hard....
Smells like lies....
YEP! It defiantly is a fascist neo-CONer.