The last half dozen or so topics appear to be little more than celebrity pap, belittling the misfortunes of others or merely observational musings.

Hey, I'm all for some light banter. But you guys make fun of Fox News?

Herb

Let's review: Politics and OTHER Things.

End of story, morning glory.

Let me translate:

"Hey. You guys aren't fighting in circles with me over useless rhetoric and troll antics, and instead are, dare-I-say-it, enjoying each other's company? What's THAT all about? Non-Sequitur about politics to close my complaint!"

fuckin douchebag. If the content of this side bugs you so much just start another 13 different "ham-fisted" threads that consist of a link to a hack website filled with bullshit and a smarmy one-liner intended to do nothing more than antagonize. I'm sure we'll take you up on running this board into the dirt like you want it.

10 bucks you wet the bed til you were 15.

(snickering to self in total agreement over first paragraph)

Once again, nothing but profanity.

If there was any substance, we'd have seen it by now.

Herb

Speak for yourself.

FOX News: "The more you watch, the less you know!"

That's a documented fact. Regular FOX news viewers are significantly more likely to be less informed than regular viewers of other news networks, and those who view a variety of news programs.

Give it up Herb. Nobody is gonna take you seriously, whining over some minor profanity.

I, for one, am quite pleased with the break in hard core topics. It's damn nice to enjoy some random conversation.

Hey...you talking about me....I thrive on Random and being non-sequitur!

"Give it up Herb. Nobody is gonna take you seriously, whining over some minor profanity."

If that's minor, I'd hate to hear major profanity.
Once again on this board, liberals mock civil discourse and ad hominem attacks are defended.

At least admit your intellectual dishonesty. And because he walked in light, no wonder Wayne was so viciously attacked here.

Herb

Ya...he walked in and towards the light all of the time......to bad that light was fire one to many times and he done did got burnt!

"...because he walked in light, no wonder Wayne was so viciously attacked here."

"viciously attacked..."

Hoo-Wee, that wasn't so hard was it? posting some humor here didn't kill you, did it? If you post again, we'll know it didn't.

So are you saying WW had some kind of idiot-savant aura, or that he was "light" in the mental department, or his loafers, or what?

"Once again on this board, liberals mock civil discourse and ad hominem attacks are defended."

If you hate it here so much, why do you stay? It's not like you're putting forth any pithy mind-changing discussions or arguments here that have swayed anyone. What exactly do you "get" from staying here? Is there no online Nixon Fan Club or HamFist League somewhere that would love to have you and vice-versa?

Oh, the humanity.

Herb can't come bowling with us....Hams do not knock over pins very well.....!

"Hams do not knock over pins very well.....!"

Yes they do, just remember to leave them in the can.

I've no intellectual dishonesty. I have posted some crap on occasion, but by percentage it's pretty low. I'm not worried in the least.

Fact is, I have no idea what that means. Either one is dishonest or one is not. Said dishonesty can be with self or others. What else is there?

And yes Herb, that's minor profanity. He's got fuckin and bullshit in that post. The latter is tame and largely accepted. The former is stronger and less accepted, but by no means rare or strong.

By percentage it's low too. If you had annoyed the average joe on the street, your likelyhood of hearing one or both of these words is fairly high.

And as always, this stuff is as big of a deal as you think it is. If you think it's a really big deal, then it is for you, but if your perception does not align well with others... I'll leave that as your own personal exercise.

Let's go just a bit farther. Let's say we both ended up annoying joe on the street, bumping into some profanity on the way.

My approach would be to size up the person, try to figure out what they are saying and act accordingly.

Yours would be, from your posts here, to write that person off because they didn't follow your idea of form and candor.

Seeing a substantial warm and pissed off body in front of you, would you really start your part of the interaction with, "Nothing of substance..." or "You are intellecutally dishonest?"

If you did, would you actually expect the average joe to say, "Oh, I'm sorry! Please forgive me, what was I thinking!"?

Might Herb recognize that his hero, Richard Milhaus, also tended to use profanity. Wait, maybe "tended" is not the right word...he used profanity constantly. Any historian would know this based on Nixon's tape recordings.

My last few topics were:

Producer Phil Spector's trial
The passing of a true pioneer in animation.
A Prince of England going to fight in Iraq, as well as stories from our troops in Iraq.
A blog from members of Congress.
The theft of money from taxpayers through bad apples in business and the military in Iraq.

I thought they fit just fine. I think most topics over here fit just fine. Heck, sometimes the tangents are more fun than the original topic. I may be new at the table, but I know this is a pot luck. If you don't want it on your paper plate, pass it by and have something else. :0)

Skip the brownies, they will make you see colors and feel lightheaded.

Oh sure, Average Joe would say that to Herb.
Sarcastically.
It would be right before he ham-fists™ Herb's lily-liver and the rest of his organs into next week.


"If that's minor, I'd hate to hear major profanity."

Herb, don't ever, ever, ever rent "The Aristocrats" DVD or watch it on cable. It would kill you. Especially Bob Saget's performance.

"If that's minor, I'd hate to hear major profanity."

Hell....just catch his daily show for that!!!!!!!

Just kidding FBR.....you got a good show on an OK station!

LMAO!

*drumroll*

"Ladies and Gentlemen, presenting, the Aristocrats!"

See, there was this family, and they were in show business, and they needed a new agent, so...


Who here was at the same showing at Cinema 21? Was it Andrew2? I had to buy the DVD because people were laughing so loud I missed some of it.

KUFO sucks, if It wasn't for Cort and Fatboy, I would completely remove that station off my presets. The fact that Marconi is on the afternoon and Cort and Fatboy got moved to evenings is INSANE!!

Do we even want to mention Bonaducebag and Toyota Carolla?

For your pleasure, a big pile of inconsistency, profanity and humanity from Richard M. Nixon:

"Look, people get drunk ... People chase girls. And the point is, it's a hell of a lot better for them to get drunk than to take drugs. It's better to chase girls than boys."

"I don't give a shit what happens."

"The Jews — the Jews are, are born spies. You notice how many of them are just in up to their necks?"

"Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal."

"Don't try to take on a new personality; it doesn't work."

"A public man must never forget that he loses his usefulness when he as an individual, rather than his policy, becomes the issue."

"We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a family"

"A riot is a spontaneous outburst. A war is subject to advance planning."

"Certainly in the next 50 years we shall see a woman president, perhaps sooner than you think. A woman can and should be able to do any political job that a man can do."

"I'm not for women, frankly, in any job. I don't want any of them around. Thank God we don't have any in the Cabinet."

"I don't think a woman should be in any government job whatever. I mean, I really don't. The reason why I do is mainly because they are erratic. And emotional."

"Don't get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects."

"Get a good night's sleep and don't bug anybody without asking me."

"I let the American people down."

"I've never canceled a subscription to a newspaper because of bad cartoons or editorials. If that were the case, I wouldn't have any newspapers or magazines to read."

"The Mexican American is not as good as the Mexican. You go down to Mexico--they're clean, they're honest, they're moral."

"If you want to make beautiful music, you must play the black and the white notes together."

"Let us move from the era of confrontation to the era of negotiation."

"No event in American history is more misunderstood than the Vietnam War. It was misreported then, and it is misremembered now."

"The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."

"The greatest honor history can bestow is that of peacemaker."

"The one thing sure about politics is that what goes up comes down and what goes down often comes up."

"Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself."

"We cannot learn from one another until we stop shouting at one another - until we speak quietly enough so that our words can be heard as well as our voices."

"You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France."

"What does that candyass think I sent him over there for?"

"What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists."

"I have the greatest affection for them African-Americans, but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like."

"Nixon: No, no, no, I'd rather use the nuclear bomb. Have you got that, Henry?
Kissinger: That, I think, would just be too much.
Nixon: The nuclear bomb, does that bother you?...I just want you to think big, Henry, for Christsakes."

"Archie is sitting here with his hippie son-in-law, married to the screwball daughter. The son-in-law apparently goes both ways. This guy. He's obviously queer--wears an ascot--but not offensively so. Very clever. Uses nice language. Shows pictures of his parents. And so Arch goes down to the bar. Sees his best friend, who used to play professional football. Virile, strong, this and that. Then the fairy comes into the bar. I don't mind the homosexuality. I understand it. Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddammit, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates."

We now return you to the 21st century.

Holy crap Littlesongs ... where did you get that little list of Nixon diatribes? Impressive indeed.

The G-o-o-g-l-e,
Yes that's the site for me,
Either Tricky Dick,
Or the word of God,
The G-o-o-g-l-e.

;o)

(Mostly from sites that specialize in quotes. Then I double checked sources and the public record.)

HerrB must be so excited that we are back on track with politics!

I just can't wait to see Sherbert Milhouse's response with his own list of his personal hero's favorite words-to-live-by. Oh wait, look! It's the exact same quotes!

I didn't even grab the worst ones! I also was sure to make it a mix of the profound and profane. We are all about "Fair and Balanced" in this forum. :o)

I finished watching the History Channel's Nixon: A Presidency Revealed. The parallels between Nixon and Bush were astounding. If we live long enough, there will be a similar show on Bush after he dies. ( Because, you know, it's just too ugly to present while he's living. The interviews with people who were actually IN THE ROOM were really damning. Can't wait to see how cabinet members of Bush recall the events of today ) and everyone will say " Yeah - we knew it. He was really scary."

I would have to do some really heavy lying to myself to believe that the end justified any means when it comes to anything either of these men touched.

Enough with the " He was a deeply flawed man " and somehow use that as an excuse anymore. Let's all start dealing with what we know now and making decisions based on that, eh? No more " History will tell." That's just stalling.

Amen to that CJ! They are only skeletons in the closet if you wait so long to find them that the flesh has rotted away. We need to find the bodies while they are still warm.

Herb I think is probally fit to be tied right about now. What is he going to do now that his hero has been exposed for the freak he was.

This is a fucking awesome thread.

No kidding!

Maybe some solid pressure will shake some small measure of acceptance loose. I know, it's hoping huge, but why not dream right?

Oh Missing, poor poor Missing. Come now, you don't really think so do you?

That closed mind is locked and the key has been thrown away.

No.

Our latest topic shows how that's all gonna go!

But, I'm gonna be an optimist. Life is better that way. Last I checked, ones life is as good as one thinks it is. So, I'm good to go.

The entertainment continues.

The best part of this is, Herb started this thread! Now it's turned into his worst nightmare!

Herb: Your actions come back to you good or bad. If you spew the un-truths, they come back to roost.

Untruths? All you have is spin.

I defend the good things Mr. Nixon did. I don't endorse the bad things Mr. Nixon did. Yet on this democrat-dominated board, you may not have heard:

Mr. Nixon was elected twice as president, the second time in an absolute landslide.
Mr. Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency.
Mr. Nixon got us out of Vietnam, a war that democrats escalated.
Mr. Nixon was never impeached, nor did he lose his license to practice law, unlike Mr. Clinton.

It's a badge of honour to be your adversary. Long ago I came to the realization that I'm hated here because I speak the truth.

Spin that.

Herbert Milhous Nixon III

There it is!

That hate word again. Thought we went through that recently.

You are not hated here. I think you really, really want to be hated in some twisted way, but that's just not the case.

It's here on record now. Nobody hates you Herb, nobody.

If I am somehow wrong, then by all means post it here and now, so we can put this matter to rest.




As for the truth, by percentage of points raised, you've failed to meet your burden more often than not. That is not indicative of one, "Who Speaks The Truth." We have a long enough archive running right now to demonstrate this.

Go ahead and look. It's all there for you, same as it is for any of us.

Again, anybody want to correct me in this? Now is the time. Please bring your support for Herb speaking the truth, more often than not, and let us get that one put to rest as well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a liar. IMHO, you buy a whole lot of what you present here. We all are guilty of presenting things in a favorable light. That's spin and it's benign as well. All part of the fun and discussion.

I am calling you uninformed. It's willful ignorance on your part. Really, this is your deal though. All any of us can do is point it out, and support that and move on from there.

Finally, Democrat dominated does nothing to impact the truth of anything you say here. If you, in fact, are writing the truth, then supporting it here will reveal it to be so.

Support it Herb, don't whine about it. If you find you simply cannot support something, rather than blame it on bias, you might consider the idea that perhaps you are not as informed as you think you might be.

Happens.

Herb-

I love you, man.


There, I said it. Felt good. Damn good.

Everyone - anyone - please join in.

I was just looking at the Title of this thread....
I thought this was an "OTHER THINGS" board!

I love you too, Edselehr.

And everybody else on this board. Including Fatboyroberts, Missing and yes, even Skeptical.So in the spirit of collegiality, allow me to answer the question:

"Nobody hates you Herb, nobody. If I am somehow wrong, then by all means post it here and now, so we can put this matter to rest."

One doesn't viciously name-call those whom they do not hate. Does that meet your 'burden of proof' test?

Love,

Herb

Got some examples? Let's hash them out.

My answer is generally no. Name calling happens for a whole batch of reasons, of which hate is only one.

"Got some examples?"

I'm not going to throw it in their faces. However, if you truly haven't read the numerous RECENT posts, then you are not paying attention.
That said, I'm fine with letting bygones be bygones.

If this love-fest keeps up, I just may go peacenik on you all.

Herb

Let me know how I can help you with that!

nixon himself for decades was paranoid about people that he thought "hated" him yet his popularity once resulted an re-election landslide.

the "hate" against him existed only in his head.

Herb: I think I can speak for everyone, that WE DON'T hate you. We know, sooner or later you will be enlightened and come to join US.

We are a patient people.

Herb, fair warning, colorful ideas require colorful language and this old concept is gonna hurt to read: Honey will get you everything from bees to bears, but shit is always gonna attract flies. Stop shitting and swinging the swatter when you can have a real conversation with great people.

All along, folks could have simply said nothing to you at all and the arguments would have evaporated. In fact, being ignored is what usually what happens to all Trolls, not just the conservative ones. Throw a ball at a wall, it bounces back, but throw anything softer or runnier and there will be no response at all.

You seemed to have more to offer and therefore have elicited responses, then consistent as ever, you have ignored some of the most illuminating answers. Readers of this board no doubt are learning more from the outcry, than from the original post. Is that the point of your persona?

What is more sad is that you have become a minor celebrity like a dwarf in a small town who gets tossed by the locals all weekend, but thinks they still respect him. Do you think the abuse gains you respect? No, many many people actually log on here to see what sort of thrashing you have been given. I am not going to be looked at as a bully, so from now on, count me out.

This board is a goldmine of great people, Herb, and not everyone nods at everyone here all the time. We disagree, we debate, we straighten out each other on the facts. That's discussion man, it's what we do. I've been called out and I took my lumps and I learned something. I've called people out and learned even more. I'm here to learn and make friends. If that isn't a primary motive for most everybody here, then the whole thing seems kinda silly, now don't it?

By the way Herb, you gotta pick up the February 26, 2007 issue of "U.S News & World Report". It features your favorite President on the cover with 3 other former Presidents. The title of the article which appears on the cover:

"AMERICA'S WORST PRESIDENTS - From Richard Nixon to John Tyler, a fresh look at our most dismal commanders in chief".

"Herb: I think I can speak for everyone, that WE DON'T hate you."

I'm glad to hear that. I don't hate anyone here, either.

"This board is a goldmine of great people, Herb, and not everyone nods at everyone here all the time. We disagree, we debate, we straighten out each other on the facts. That's discussion man, it's what we do. I've been called out and I took my lumps and I learned something. I've called people out and learned even more. I'm here to learn and make friends."

We all have our hot buttons. I suppose I can tolerate pretty much anything here but incivility. Heated debate? Sure. Strong positions? You bet. But vicious name-calling only indicates that reason has left the building. No thanks to that.

To those who consistently defend vulgar gutter language-it only makes one sound like an uninformed, semi-literate punk without facts. And that's the truth.

Herb

...for you.

Remember your expectations may or may not be in line with those of others. Additionally, your pre conceptions of what is and what is not civil debate vary as well.

One solid example that chaps my ass is when somebody chooses to dodge when presented with information that is contrary to a position held by somebody else.

In that scenario, avoiding the issue is just as annoying as profane language appears to be for you.

That and lame ass generalizations. Look at the above:

"vicious name-calling only indicates that reason has left the building"

If some right-leaning person does this, it's ok then? Think about it Herb.

"Remember your expectations may or may not be in line with those of others."

Smacks of slippery-slope logic, where insults are used in attempts to intimidate. That's what happened on this very board to Wayne; He was taken down and carved up, like a pack of jackals smacking their chops.

People either agree to a standard and engage in a civil manner, or when it gets heated, they devolve into who can out-swear or belittle the other...without regard to facts and the argument at hand. Republicans are hardly immune to these tactics, either, but I like to think most democrats are above that. If not, no thanks.

Herb

"If not, no thanks."

Your choice. I refuse to be dominated in that way, and will stick up for anyone who feels the same way.

Either we can express ourselves here in a permissive way, or we can't. There is zero reason to submit to your needs in this regard.

Edit: Wanna change that?

I'll propose a trade then. I'll support you in terms of profanity, if you support me in not dodging when confronted with contradictory information.

Ready to deal in that regard?

No profanity in return for no dodges? Willing to really engage in a two way conversation Herb?

There is some incentive to play ball with you, but you've gotta put something on the table in return. How about it?

What you're saying is that civility is out the window.

How do you like it when you're mocked, slandered, belittled and sworn at?

Herb

"No profanity in return for no dodges? Willing to really engage in a two way conversation Herb?"

Sounds good and I'm willing to do it. This should foster true interaction.

Does that mean you guys won't dodge as well?

Herb

I edited my post, so re-read it.

Know what Herb? That does not happen to me very often. Why?

Because my conversation is as honest as I am capable of and it's real and largely defensible. Others see that and react accordingly.

It was not always this way. When I first started using the Internet in this way, I got busted in the chops just like every one else. Of course it sucked, just like it does for everybody else.

I learned these things:

-words are only as big of a deal as we make them out to be; therefore, one gets as angry about it as they choose to

-if ones interactions are defensible, others react to that in a positive way

-this builds credence, respect and friendship

-there is always somebody smarter than we are

-interacting with people --and I mean really interacting is scary because it exposes the self; therefore, one needs to feel good about ones own self if the conversation is to be just and true.

The only people, who have a serious problem with these things, are those who have something to hide, don't feel good about their self, or depend on others for their identity, morality and ethics.

Over the last 15 or so years, I went through all this crap. Today, I've nothing to hide and feel good about who I am and my interactions with others. It shows in that I rarely get hammered like that.

When I do, I'm not often bothered because I've worked through all the tough issues. Usually when that happens today, I can easily see the other person for who they are and understand they are not as far down the path as I am.

So, I normally will just let them know this, not worry when they fire back, and watch them marginalize themselves, or grow. It's one or the other for all of us. No biggie, the entertainment value is pretty high overall.

I'll engage in a quid pro pro, but you've gotta mean it. I'll trade some deference in return for some solid growth on your part. To me, that's worth it longer term.

I don't need the profanity, but I would very much enjoy engaging you on a higher level. You see, that's to our mutual benefit. Submitting to you for the hell of it just isn't.

"..words are only as big of a deal as we make them out to be; therefore, one gets as angry about it as they choose to.."

I think I know where you're coming from, I honestly do. Just understand that words do indeed mean things.

That's one thing that makes politicians seem so slimy...They spin the meaning of the word "is," as in Mr. Clinton's case, or like Mr. Nixon said, "I mispoke." What RN meant was that he did not tell the truth.

I'm not sure what 'solid growth on my part' will look like, and I'm glad to share civil give-and-take...I merely hope that it's not a gotcha-deal. I mean, I've conceded many points here about big tobacco being wrong, about Rush being wrong, about Mr. Nixon's flaws. I'm simply not sure what more "deference" is being requested?

Herb

"I'm simply not sure what more "deference" is being requested? "

Conceding points about that which is irrefutable is not deference.

Folks!
In the words of that semi-great American, "There you go again!"

Why do we continue this silly exchange? Do we love Herb? Do we hate Herb? Is profanity good? Is it bad?

Here's one: Can we move on?

"Conceding points about that which is irrefutable is not deference."

I didn't ask what deference is not. I'm being straight with you here. Once more: so what deference is being requested?

Herb

Herb, do you hold GW Bush and his well-documented "vulgar gutter language" potty-mouth to the same standards as the "commie" posters here? How about Nixon?

How and why do you justify and reward someone like Cochise, the epitome of "incivility" "vicious name-calling" (and) "vulgar gutter language-and offensive posts"?

All I see is a double standard from you that totally depends on what "side" of the fence one is on.

I'm not gonna even try to define solid growth for you. It's your deal.

The only metric I can provide is the number of interactions you feel good about. If that's up pretty high, you should then feel pretty good about things in general. I would and can see no reason why anyone else wouldn't.

Totally agreed on politicans being slimey. The whole "is" thing is an insult. I'm none too happy with Gonzales pulling the whole, "The right of Habius Corpus is not spelled out in the Constitution" (That's close enough) bit either.

Of these two examples, I am more bothered by Gonzales because it's being used to do great harm to all of us. Clinton's deal sucked, but really it harms him and Hilary, leaving the rest of us mostly intact, depending on what we think of his actions.

You are more offended by the sex bit, and that's cool.

To break the ice here, we simply don't agree and should reason accordingly. --or you can go for it and try and sell me. Whip out your support and have at it.

On the deference bit, I'm not asking for that. I don't think any of us are entitled to it frankly. What we get from each other depends on our interactions. Act like an ass, get treated like an ass. It's that simple. (no implication, just a restatement for clarity)

So, again to break the ice, we've a scenario here where we don't agree. No biggie, but I wouldn't call either position true, until some support is on the table that justfies that. That's me and I know doing that is defensible.

Another example is the matter of faith. Edslner posted some stuff a while back that impacted my view on this. Essentially, my current state of non-belief is a matter of faith, just as yours is!

Prior to his statements, I didn't see it that way.

The ramifications of that will be churning through me for a good long time...

That's a two way conversation.

What you and I have done is butt heads. (happens with others as well, but I really can't speak for others.) So it's not about deference, but recognition of the others position. Might be valid, might not, but it's just not cool to call it invalid, and act on that, without having some support on the table for it all.

You've done this, as have I. It's a huge source of friction for what it's worth. This is also where the dodges happen most often.

Again, as an example: On faith, I recognize you could be right! So, I'll always listen. In this, advocacy is good. Without it we learn nothing and deny ourselves growth.

I expect others to recognize I could be right in like kind and reason accordingly.

Doing this does not diminish ones faith, but does allow for more sane and meaningful interactions.

It also does open the door for change and here's the kicker:

Shouldn't it?

Deference --- I offered to grant some, in exchange for not dodging.

The deference is avoiding profanity, in return for avoiding dodges. Didn't catch that the first time through.

Warner: Yeah, I know. IMHO, profanity is not bad. IMHO dodges are! So, let's make a small trade and see where it leads?

And it's one little thread. No biggie. If it somehow escalates, slap me upside the head and I'll do the right thing!

A thread is not a recipe with specific ingredients measured to exact amounts. A thread is more like Hobo stew. The elements available determine the composition and flavor.

This thread was really over after the first reply.

The rest of it is just the ongoing restatement of conflicting ideologies.

p.s. the word deference implies "humble" which no one here is
(at least wrt their online persona). Although it is fair to say that it is easy online to be more outspoken than one might be in public, especially those of us whom may now or at one time been even mildly in the public ears.

Just because a thread is not a specific recipe doesn't mean that it need be compared to 'hobo stew.'

How about bouillabaisse, instead? Oh no, wait. That's FRENCH!

Herb

Merde.

I don't know what merde is, but it sounds like what our pals, the French, helped Saddam do to our soldiers.

Herb

merde (noun, F.) † shit

http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/French.1.html

I didn't know that, but apparently my unbeknownst comment still applies.

Herb

merde
One entry found for merde.


Main Entry: merde
Pronunciation: 'merd
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Old French, from Latin merda; perhaps akin to Lithuanian smirdeti to stink
sometimes vulgar : 2CRAP 1a, 2

I will be glad to concede any use of perceived profanity if that means we will see more dialogue and less idealogue. I can understand the concept that things said while smashing a thumb do not apply universally, but I still find them valuable in communicating ideas. There are a wealth of great ways to say I love you and just as many ways to say poop. From now on, I will enjoy creating a wide variety of synonyms instead of the word itself. I have a few for you to sample.

Chattering Cheek Chunks
Sending Timber down the Flume of Doom
A Load of Sputter Butter
Grunting Granola Bars
Out Wading in Tail Gravy
Sailing the Potty Yachts
On a Prune Juice Purge
Blowing Bowl Batter
Doing the Toot Chute Boogie
Pushing the Spackle

I think we all could enjoy getting around the neo-Hays Code, but censoring the board is a silly notion.

I buy your premise.
At least it's creative, doesn't lend itself to knee-jerk and lazy 'thought' plus leaves something to the imagination.

Herb