yep, apparently there's a new nixon documentary showing tonight on pbs (I THINK!!!! Check your local listings).

kinda strange that the troll hasn't hyped this up. I'm suspecting it might be because the "liberal media" is giving this thing a positive review meaning that Nixon's shortcomings aren't going to be downplayed.

Are you talking about "The Last Great Ape" on NOVA tonight at 11? :-)

Actually the documentary is on the History Channel (or as I call it, the "Military History Channel."), and I no have. It will show at 8PM it appears. Oh, well. Think any bars will be broadcasting it? :-) Perhaps I can go to Herb's place and watch it!

Andrew

I thought is was "Grape Ape" on the cartoon channel!

I hope Herb watches....

It's gonna be a hatchet job.
I'm not into revisionist history.
How would you like it if someone made JFK look stupid?

Herb

You neo-CONers make everyone that doesn't believe your way look stupid....

Herb, I was quite taken with the book "The Dark Side of Camelot" by Seymour Hersh - a scathing book about JFK. I am open-minded enough to accept the criticism of this man whom I still admire - so maybe you should do the same and watch the Nixon film? I would definitely watch it if I had the Military History channel.

Andrew

Aw c'mon. I've already heard the criticism. Ever hear of All The President's Men? And the Nixon hatchet job movie?

That's the difference between JFK & Mr. Nixon. The media loved your guy and still hates mine.
I understand your point, but believe me...I've lived through enough bashing of Mr. Nixon simply by reading the paper.

Herb

Exactly how is herb a troll when you create topics soley meant for him to post in?

Touche' Mc74.

Yet another Herb-bashing inconsistency.

Herb

I turned on my TV tonight to see it was already on The History Channel. But it was a half and hour into it already. I set the DVR to tape it at the midnight replay.

I have to admit, the mere two minutes I saw had me hooked. But I had to force myself to turn the station as I wanted to see the whole thing. It looked fantastic.

I have to agree with Mc74.Skep that was a cheap shot.You guys(generalized)rip Herb a new one when he has said the wrong "words"but you have no problem doing just what you say is so bad(name calling).And Skep this is truly not an attack against you as you have come to my defense when I tried to reason with Wayne.Just slow down a little and look in the mirror.And as always let's all have a great week!

"Exactly how is herb a troll when you create topics soley meant for him to post in?"

Just because he's a troll doesn't mean he can't BE trolled. The one doesn't negate the other.

And herb is a waste of fucking skin, so I don't understand why anyone really pays attention to his acting ass anyway, especially after I exposed his chump ass as the fucking faker he is in the first place.

At this point, it's the combination of herb's troll tendencies going into overdrive combined with the macabre sense of playfulness. Yunno, like cats enjoy playing with the crippled and bleeding bird for an hour before just leaving it in the grass to wheeze it's last ragged breath.

At worst, this thread is playing off the persona Herb cultivated for a specific reason and poking holes in his follow through. If he was as good a troll as the sad fuck THINKS he really is, he wouldn't have let this slip at any point, and would have STARTED the thread as a way to "look, let me educate you" condescend as has been his M.O. from the minute the shitbrick decided to waste his life pretend-fighting people on a portland radio messageboard.

And Nixon was an asshole.

Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty Grape Ape!

I admire the tenacity that keeps some posters fighting every day. I gotta admit, this has been a great way to kill a few weeks off, but I could not imagine it as a full-time job. Still, I would never skip coming to at least peek in, because there are some great people here and it is so much fun to watch.

FBR & Mrs. M. are two of the pithiest in the bunch. Thanks for the laughs and the serious stuff too. So, did anyone see the movie? I heard they edited all the swear words and nudity out.

Nixon: A Presidency Revealed

Most people I know watch or read everything they can about someone they're interested in, both good and bad, to reinforce, or to form their own opinion. Herb makes it sound like he's "cheating on" his hero if he watches it. I think just seeing the rare home movies would be of interest to anyone.

Here's the promo:

Nixon: A Presidency Revealed DVD

Features rare footage from home movies shot by Nixon staffers.
From the producer and director of the Presidency Revealed specials on FDR and JFK.
In-depth interviews with Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, John Dean, Ben Bradlee and many more.
Richard Milhous Nixon was a tremendously enigmatic man. The scandals and achievements of his Presidency, his resignation and his legacy are fundamentally formative elements in the character of our nation.

Through exhaustively researched and dramatically presented archival materials, as well as exclusive in-depth interviews, NIXON: A PRESIDENCY REVEALED explores the unlikely origin, the thrilling promise and the crushing downfall of the 37th President of the United States.

Nixon oversaw school integration and the Moon Landing. He presided over detente with the Soviet Union and the opening of China to the West. He supervised the establishment of the EPA and the DEA. He appeared on Laugh-In and met Elvis. Yet, this reserved (some say uncharismatic) Quaker, fiercely proud of his self-sufficiency and integrity, resorted to the dirtiest tricks in politics and took offense that the supremacy of his authority was even questioned.

Using newly released White House recordings and telephone calls, home movies shot by Nixon staffers, and the dialy recordings of Chief of Staff H.R. Haldeman, NIXON: A PRESIDENCY REVEALED goes inside the Nixon administration to understand how the President's hatreds and mistrust of his own staff lead to ruin. In-depth interviews with participants in the Nixon saga - Haig, Kissinger, Dean, Bradlee and others - as well as with renowned scholars and historians, complete the portrait.

NIXON: A PRESIDENCY REVEALED, presents the story of a man whose own demons and resentments drove him to criminal excess.


Wow! This just sounds positively scandalous and over-sensationalized and just way too shocking to watch. (said with sarcasm)

For some reason I believe that people here would rather have Herb and his so called "troll" post rather then some schmuck that won a contest to get a job in radio and goes along with the rest of the sheep with the "i hate Bush" topics.

Complain about him all you want fatty, he was here long before you and making more sense then you ever could.

Stick to doing what you do best and keep those knee pads warm for Cort.

I love FBR! Are you saying he actually has a job on the air? Whoa!

Cochise, you've been here less than 8 months, and you've added exactly nothing to anything here.

Remember, Only Women Bleed.

Stone me for believing this to be true, but something tells me that "some schmuck that won a contest to get a job in radio" was not only a pretty g*dd*mn substantial talent to begin with, but had to get even better to keep from being labeled as such by his peers. Don't like him, don't listen, but don't doubt his skills.

Stick to doing what you do best and keep those knee pads warm for the Trolls.

(btw - the midnight repeat was a red herring. Does anyone know when it will be on next? Dinner beat Nixon tonight.)

Cochise: I was wondering when the cheap "You're a contest winner" crack was gonna come. And your estimation of what "people here want" is, dare I say, skewed for whatever reason.

Merkin, Littlesongs: I love you all to death in a completely hetero way, not that there's anything wrong with that Thanks.

Also, Cochise--wrong Cort part to keep warm. he doesn't wear kneepads. His COATTAILS however? HOTTER THAN JULY. Those never drop below body temperature.

Who's Cort? Is he bigger than FBR? And I'd agree, "substantial" is a great description of FBR, In a brainiac-mad-skillz-kind-of-way, of course.

Cochise-You're one class act.

Fatboyroberts-If you ever begin posting without vulgarity, others may take you seriously. For now, I sure don't. Your swearing schtick may work for 12-18 year old listeners, but it doesn't cut it here.

Herb

Sex, Profanity, Drugs, Scandal, Rudeness were all at one time ratings grabbers and cutting edge........nowadays I think most people are tired of this repetitive bullshit and consider it to be the dull side of the Sword as it does not cut mustard anymore!

"End of Line"

So you actually condone, and think his I'll-never-vote-for-someone-who-bleeds-5-days-a-month" vulgarity was "CLASS ACT"? That is pathetic, Herb, not to mention it makes you a misogynist of the highest order. I'm disappointed in you as a human, not that you care, of course. What would Condi say?

You both make me so very proud to still be bleeding, both from the vagina and the heart.

Mrs. Merkin-

Because you like Mr. Clinton, does that mean you condone his adulterous affair with Monica? Of course not.

Nice try.

I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but you must admit Cochise speaks more truthfully than most.

Herb

FBR has posted many non-profanity posts here, and for the most part I have found them thoughtful and intelligent. He was here before he got his radio gig, and I liked him then also.

And FBR, I will continue my boycott re: replying to Herb. He never replied back to me, ever, so I've stopped. I'll let Andrew, you, and others battle with him. For me, it's pointless.

"For now, I sure don't."

Yes. Yes you do.

Swearing isn't a "schtick," it's how people talk. It's how I talk. It's how 99 percent of the people here talk. The idea that it's something I have to affect, to sound dumber, so that teenagers will accept me is asinine.

For example: I drop F-bombs and I'm still appreciably smarter than you'll ever be, and that's probably how it's gonna zero out when Jesus comes, too.

Jesus: Ah, my children. Time to come home.
Fatty: Fuck yeah! Thanks Jesus!
Jesus: Hi-five, pottymouth!
(Slap)
Herb: Hello, Jesus
Jesus: You're an asshole.
Herb: There you go trying to impress the 18 year olds again.
Jesus: And an idiot, too. Here's a hoagie and some purgatory.
Herb: darn liberals.

Why not just plug your ears and scream "la-la-la" and be more honest about your reaction than this faux-intellectual "i'm so disappointed" bullshit that you thinks gives you a non-existent high ground? Being honest all around would be a good step for you. Like your (fake) hero Nixon, it's a step he could never take, and I doubt (fake) you will ever take it, either.

Of course, if you were smart enough to realize how succinctly I'm boxing you in and kneecapping you, you'd have dropped the game or left by now. But I refuse to dumb myself down for your consumption, so I just gotta hope some sort of evolutionary leap occurs within you and it all makes sense.

LMAO! Priceless, FBR!

HerrB.

Nice attempt at rationalization. I don't give a "poo" what Clinton did with Monica. Where did I ever say that I like Clinton? Regardless, it's none of my business. Didn't affect me one bit (or anyone besides his family?). Neither did J. Edgar Hoover wearing a dress.

"you must admit Cochise speaks more truthfully than most."

Are you "sexually intercourse-ing" kidding me? The creep is a mosquito. And I don't mean just about the blood.

I'm with Warner...I'm adding Herb to the WW Hall of Shame Troll/Kook list.

One is known by their enemies.
It's a badge of honour for me around here.

Herb

Sorry Herb - I just cannot, in good faith, place you in the same class as Wayne. That guy may have changed my DNA. You, on the other hand, make me laugh.

"Fatboyroberts-If you ever begin posting without vulgarity..."

Bullshit, horseshit and cowshit!

What you really mean is that you might take him seriously. That's your choice, but it does not diminish the points made in the least. Think hard about why this just might not matter to others. If you are honest in this exercise, you will be enlightened --trust me.

I agree that too much profanity is a bad thing. It's also bad to post it with a clear intent to inflame others. Both of these things are lazy and that's not real, frankly.

However, using it for emphasis, to express things beneath worth, and to convey less than beautiful concepts and ideas, is perfectly acceptable. There are many things in this world that simply cannot be properly expressed using Disneyland language.

For you guys, who discount something with some profanity in it, grow up please?

Another thing about profanity I think people here might find interesting: It is a sign of comfort and honesty. Having to speak formally means a barrier between people that impacts the conversation.

Either you want it real, or you want Disneyland.

Fats coming here, bothering to share some honest time with us, is a complement in that he feels he is able to have the conversation without having to coddle people. It also means he finds us to have some value. For what it's worth, I feel exactly the same way.

The value is in the real conversations. Without this, there is zero reason to be here.

The idea that a person is rendered meaningless from some profanity is a fallacy. Regarless of form, the point of discussion must be considered on it's own merit, or those refusing to do this are just dodging the issues, for whatever reason.

This too is lazy.

Finally there is this:

What others think of ones choice of expression only matters as much as one thinks it does; therefore, it is only a worry if the other party is worthy of some greater deference! Think hard on the implications of that. Put up too many barriers between yourself and other people and you end up in this bizzare bubble where nobody actually engages you in an honest way. That's no way to live.

With language comes profanity period. We cannot have one without the other. This is reality. Please grow up and deal for your own good. Fats has already done that, as have others here, including myself.

I, for one, flat out refuse to be dominated in this way, and I will defend anyone else looking for the same. This venue is of zero value if we somehow are compelled to be less than real.

Playing this lame ass "holier than thou" game is simply not worth anybodys time.

Dammit Missing - pick up your email.

Done!

(Checked the dang thing not an hour ago, sheesh!)

I don't particularly care for the flaming here, but what--and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or provocative--redeeming qualities or accomplishments were there in the Nixon Presidency that are worthy of celebration on their own merits? OK, Nixon did sign the Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act, which beefed up the language on the warning labels on cigarettes, and which banned broadcast advertising of cigarettes. What else did he do?

Joe,

the reason Herb is on permanent troll status was because of the way he used Wayne to create chaos in the forum only to later drop kick him off a cliff when that misguided and low-functioning person became too dangerous to be associated with.

cochise,

you're somewhat of a troll as well, you took a generalized swipe at many of the long time posters here and later refuse to name exactly who they were.

how about making a post that contributes to the discussion for a change?

The simple fact is that Wayne's political and spiritual views were mocked endlessly on this board.

Conservatives are constantly belittled here. They're called nazi's, fascists, neo-cons and worse.

Yes, our friends on the left are really kind people, aren't they?

Herb

YAWN

If a conservative says anything about the left, he's taken to task.

Spin on.

Herb

Herb- the former poster known as *%^&$# was divisive. One can have strong feelings about politics and spirituality, but it was HOW he communicated it that ultimately ended his run here.

I strongly disagree with you on many political and spiritual issues. I wouldn't put you in the "troll" category like Skep has done because we have agreed on some things. Also you never have put words in my mouth and I appreciate it. However *&*%$& did on many occasions and that's why he is not here now.

"....*&*%$&?..."

You have such a problem with Wayne that you can't even write his name?

I'll bet you would write the name of plenty of people with whom you may disagree, including Mr. Nixon, David Duke, Adolf Hitler, Leonid Brezhnev, even Fidel Castro.

But not Wayne?

Really-what gives, Chris?

Herb

MERKIN......Close your eye's!!!!!!

They are talking about him again!!!!

I would normally suspect Christophobia. But Chris must have a wholly different excuse.

Herb

I believe certain members have asked to not be reminded about the evangelical ex-member that only spoke in fire and brimstone and put words in everyone's mouths for them! The name is no longer spoken here!

Add:
Agreed that Herb is not a Troll. Herb good for political debates and he cites facts and sources at times! He can even agree with you on certain things!

Herb - I was being facetious with Wayne's name to make a point. Obviously you didn't get it.

Time for some humor gas Herb. Or maybe you need to lighten up a bit. You took my post far too seriously.

Since you did it twice on your post, I'm fine with nuance, but pardon me for not reading your mind.

Herb

You know what? I've done my best to frame things nicely and not step on toes. I realize now, well, it is a waste of time. Folks know that I know my sh*t, I can form a thought and I can back it up, but they like my humor more. I am only truly boring when trying to convince a bore. Whenever I have a chance, I am going that funnybone way. If someone doesn't like me enough to jerk my job or not offer one in the future, I would rather work for someone without that kind of power base anyway. C'est la vie.

I took two tests figuring I'd be outed as a treehugging liberal and was outed as a treehugging centrist. That makes me an Oregon of one. So, I am gonna just toss whatever out here from now on and not worry about alienating anyone. Pretty f*cking simple. I learn something here or laugh like hell every day: Thanks to (almost) all of you. I want to keep giving back, not just coming back and spreading turds. This forum tends to weed the gifts from the sh*t pretty quick.

It's Friday. Let's all have a helluva good night.

Make mine a Stella Artois.

Herb

Pardon accepted. I will try and be more clear next time.

Chris, you were clear as a mountain spring. It's amazing how some people are so oblivious to satire.