Piracy is so abundant because right now there is such a general lack of enforcement and also prosecution of minor violations.
And the moral issue......your friend has tons of CD's on his IPOD as do you......mostly different artists...so what happens...i'll let you download mine if you let me download yours.
Can you honestly say that every MP3 you have in your posession you have the disk or proof of purchase from downloading it? You have never had a bud send you some tracks and put them in your PC or IPOD? And for those people in IT on medium to large networks that have the privelages to browse everyone's hard drives...specifically the "My Music" folder....man I could fill a 200gb drive with all unique music...no dupes! And yes this is against company policy and I plan to have a talk with those individuals that are doing this. We do block music downloads as we do not want to be liable for that! Do you know that if your employee's download illegally you as IT and your company could become accountable for this action? It did go to your corporate IP address after all so someone has to pay! Just a little wake up for ya there! You better be aware of what users on your network, guests and employee's, are doing and "Downloading" because if it funnels into your source IP you are responsible!

ssh

Is that a "Be Quiet" or an acronym for somethin man?

secure shell

It's handy dandy if one is at work.

What you mean man? Just curious without implacating yourself of course!

Being a good Republican, I can honestly say I don't have any illegal downloads. I don't even think that way.

Limewire is fighting RIAA with their own lawsuits!
It's a fast way to get songs, but since i PAY for cd's now, it's going to take me a year or more to collect what i HAD using Limewire!
I borrowed a cd from a friend to listen to it, but now i want to BUY it!!

No implication necessary.

Secure shell, combined with either an X Server, VNC, or text console applications is a great way to do what you want, almost no matter where you are.

You keep the SSH client on a USB key, or on a web page that you can run it from. Then it sets up an encrypted shell and port tunnel between whatever workstation you are on, and whatever target machine you want to be using.

Eg: Home box and Work box.

Home box runs your P2P, browser, e-mail, etc... work box only displays and encrypted tunnel prevents anyone else from seeing what happened in the session.

Between peers, it's a great way to pool and share music. Setup a machine that can accept the connections and hand out some accounts. Everybody contributes to the pool of shared data (whatever it might be). The actual traffic that goes over the internet is just an encrypted string of data.

Satellite and an SPDIF I/O ports, dude.

You want some good music, screw the Internet. Turns out I have become a child of the [Echo]stars...... ;o)

and NO, I can't exactly say every song I have in my files OI also have the CD for. BUT--this way I have noticed, helps me TO discover the artists and songs of CDs I would be likely to purchase in the future.

Basically, think of this as a 24-hour "CD Promo" system, is one way of thinking of it...........

Shiver me timbers! Ye'll all be using Satellite fer yer music downlinking, or ye'll all be walkin' the planks! Arrrrrrrrrgghhhhhh!!!!!!
(Piracy. get it?)

I get you.

Kind of like Citrix...just use your usb client to connect back to home machine which does all of the surfing or downloading and you just control and view it remote. Ya.....we watch for people using that to bypass our web filter for that type of thing. We block certain ports and for sure categories of sites as well. Downloads are only allowed from approved sites and all others are blocked. BIG BRO is watching and ready to slam the hammer down! Automatic e-mail alerts to department managers are a great deterrant to keep people doing things they are not supposed to!

A few weeks ago, Clark Howard opened his show with a discussion on employers monitoring employees' WWW usage on office computers. He stated that approximately 85% of employers do some type of monitoring, and he stated this figure as if it were some huge revelation. I was surprised that anybody would find this figure shocking. Almost every company that I have ever worked for had a http proxy server on its network.

Well, if you are gonna be totally secure about it, block all SSH traffic on all ports. It's no biggie to run it on port 80.

I think people here pretty much understand that if they use company systems for things they are not supposed to there job could be terminated for such things. It has happened and most likely will in the future but just knowing you are being watched is deterant enought for 99% of the people. Heck if admin wants to they can have me remote onto the users machine without his knowledge and just sit and watch everything they are doing as they do it. BIG BRO man...he is watching......just remember that the machine you sit at everyday is not yours...you do not own it and do not have any rights regarding it. If you keep personal stuff on them....expect it to be read or viewed......and even deleted if the IT dude gets pissed at you....!!!

My Music folder...deleted...gosh I have no idea how that could have happened!

Anybody ever hear of an employer blocking employees from viewing the Drudge Report ?

Piracy.

To paraphrase Deane, "Being a good Independent, I can honestly say I don't have any illegal downloads. I don't even think that way."

When the big big money labels and so called publishing advocacy groups freak out about this stuff, prosecute kids and go after music sharing websites, they are losing money. In fact, losing more money than if they just left it alone. There is little damage to them being wrought by this stuff compared to the mass manufacture and distribution of actual copies by the pirate mills, most of them in China.

The real loser in the equation, pirated, illegally downloaded or not, is the musician or artist. The mega-media uses them up and throws them away whether you steal to discover them or not. It probably doesn't matter in the long run, but it is dishonest and if you do it, you suck. Share a mix. Share a hundred mixes. Just don't get your sources without tossing a few pennies to the artist to help her or him pay for the major label loan.

Most musicians -- the average joes who grind it out every day -- will never ever see a dime from a major label, even if they are signed to one. If you like a band, don't let them add "chasing 12 year old fans for jail time" to the list of rinky dink nickel and dime stuff they take out of the artists paychecks. This is why they only ever make their money on concerts and merch. Always have. Always will.

"Piracy is so abundant because right now there is such a general lack of enforcement and also prosecution of minor violations. "

I'd have to disagree. I think you've got the cause and effect backward - piracy is abundant because people don't view it as wrong. One could also argue that there is a lack of enforcement for this reason too. Case in point: the RIAA only prosecutes "major violators", giving the impression that people who copy a few files here and there aren't doing anything wrong, which (I believe) is what most people think.

If there were more enforcement and/or prosecution of minor violations, that wouldn't change the way people think about it being right or wrong, it would just cause some people to stop the behavior because they are afraid of getting caught.

Similar argument to the drug war, and there would be a similar effect if prosecution was stepped up. Lots of relatively harmless people suffering excessive punishment, while the real wrongdoers get off mostly scott-free.

The whole model is broken and needs to be fixed, but nobody (with any power) is addressing that elephant in the room. I don't believe that most people (outside of the music or related industries) understand or give a damn about the licensing fee model, they view it as a standard purchase-and-ownership model as with most products one buys, and act accordingly.

As was mentioned above, the vast majority of licensing fees go to feed the massive, bloated and no-longer-useful beast of the music industry. The artists make their money from performances and merchandise, and are little injured by piracy.

If you have the original CD or purchase the song legally through download it should be a simple method to tag those files as legit and if you are found with music without these tags then it was illegaly obtained and punishable under copyright laws. Seems to me that should not be all that hard and yes there is always a way around anything but something like this may let the general public know that it is wrong. I have a few borrowed tunes on my ZUNE and will be errasing them when done sampling them. I typically buy all of my CD's new from legit sources for my personal library. I seldom buy used as I prefer to scratch them myself.

BTW....that brings up another question.
If I have all of my CD's in my music rack and on my ZUNE is it illegal for my son to rip that same CD for him to use on his MP3 player or are the rules one rip per tune?

Good points, TadC and DT.

I was not singling anyone out for the "you suck" -- it was more of a general statement. If you are ripping a CD for your son, you deserve a handshake, not a handcuff. This is why the rules are so dumb, convoluted and usually unenforceable. I really dig the fact that you both relate that way. Music is a tight bond.

Personally, I love the idea that a song, like a virus, can spread all over the globe in a really short period of time. I love the way it erodes the big business model of the record industry and evens the playing field. I love that it exposes folks to songs in or from places so far flung they didn't know each other existed. It is a total coup for independent artists. Sorry for saying this obvious statement out loud, but the internet is kicking radio's ass on breaking new artists.

I have made mix tapes for friends since 1978 and nobody ever, ever got mad at me. I haven't seen the gestapo yet. I think that most fans, whether a label admits it or not, will purchase their own original and not settle for a copy. The copy gives them a preview, but more often than not, leads to a purchase. That has always been the case for me.

This is an old warhorse on the issue, but I will ride it out one more time. The Grateful Dead allowed fans to record every one of their shows. It did not effect their sales one iota. In fact, it increased the value of their catalog by making them a viable high dollar concert revenue producer for decades, until Jerry's death. Then, morbidly and predictably, it spiked again.

One other thing -- you may have noticed this with your friends too. I have yet to meet anyone, who owns one or many bootlegs from any artist, who has not already purchased that artist's entire catalog in at least one format. If labels really wanted all that dough, they would give the artists more records to sell. Instead, the bootleg has always exposed weaknesses and triumphs that would normally be silenced or kept out of sight from the rabid fan. Thus, again, increasing the artist's exposure and potential revenue.

Hail, Hail Rock and Roll!

The main reason I purchase my own music then copy it to my ZUNE is I cannot stand the crappy default low quality rip most people just settle for. I rip mine as big as I can. BIG files BETTER quality everytime! Internet downloads are at best the std rip rate and if you obscond with ones you find they suck as well. Or are in the crappy WMA format that degrades even worse when converted to MP3. I prefer the CD's in the stereo anytime but for mobility and ease of use my ZUNE "Rocks Me Amadeus!" I only borrow to sample then I purchase, delete, and RIP.

44100/320 Constant Bitrate MP3, per chance?

(9 out of every 10 of my music CDROM discs are recorded this way! The bigger it is the better! Which is why I rarely, if ever, download any of my content. The 192Kbps just doesn't cut it for me. And then there's occasionally the dreaded VARIABLE BITRATE file..........)

I recorded a few very early experimental discs in WMA but was not at all impressed. Tinny sound, hard to convert to MPEG3 and oh yes, circa early 2005 there still weren't as many CD devices (outside computers) that supported it. (Still aren't, really.....) Meanwhile probably 90% of DVD players run MPEG3, and more and more portable CD players are implementing it!

So far as I can tell, if only from a tech and quality standpoint, WMA's cooked.........

Littlesongs--
I have been recording mix tapes (and CDs, more recently) since about 1995 but have yet to get the KGB coming after me either. As far as I can see the whole piracy thing is trivial. (Not to mention an infringement on freedom of speech and in some cases, the press.)

The industry and the legislators may try to kill music off, but they will fail (and in many ways they are failing, miserably.) A good song can spread as far, and as fast, as a contageous disease! Putting copyrights and technical criplings (like Macrovision, for example) will only cause the song to spread faster!

Someone once said that "all things must perish under the sky. Music alone shall live, never to die."

Now, to any RIA* execs reading this--load THAT into your audio players and hear it!

I download most of my music off limewire usually on MP3, and I'll be completely honest. I have yet to have a crappy quality file, infact It sounds like a CD, I can't tell the difference. Most albums just have one or two good songs on them and the rest of the album is crap! Am I going to go out and fork over 12 bucks for an album that only has one or two good songs on them?? HELL NO!! Gone are the days of Cd singles at record Stores, Infact I remember going to tower Records back in the day, and their CD singles were around 9 or 10 bucks, What a Rip off, you might as well buy the whole album.

Zak, I am right there with you on this: "Someone once said that "all things must perish under the sky. Music alone shall live, never to die."

Justin, I agree with your view of modern music. Most of it is garbage, one or two songs are "optimized for airplay" and the rest is fodder and filler. Mealworm with a touch of beef. Should you waste hard earned money on an artist who has simply stolen, remixed and blathered nonsense over the top of someone else's hard work? Well, it is hard to call someone out on a ripoff when they are stealing from a thief to begin with...

Couple three night birds here tonight! I don't like to "Borrow" music and never return it. I will borrow it and listen to see if I like it then consider purchasing it. I will buy the CD over individual downloads as my music purchases stop at anything rock and newer than Metalica. Everything else should just be smashed like foo pumkins!
No offense FBR....Tool blows chunks!

Tool. That was my litmus test for co-workers for years. Need Tool? You are probably not getting any action at home, you will be too furious to do a good job today and I will be grateful when you go so I can clean up after your aggro self. To be fair, Fugazi is on that list too. :0)

I remember when Walter (then owner of the Portland Underground) punched Billy Corgan in the face. A classic, sublime and wonderful Portland music moment. Of course that whining rip-off artist went to the bank later, but I am comforted by his ever spiralling life. No, no, don't land that plane Billy, plant it.

Fugazi...Who TF are they or it....sounds like something I blew out my nose the other day!

Can't stand BC, he makes me wanna blow chunks, Like Oasis' Gallagher(sp?) brothers, I just don't get the fascination, ink, and hype...

Um, well... most Vietnam Veterans can tell you what the original meaning was with much more eloquence than I... it has a very close older relative named, Snafu. The band Fugazi was formed from another band called Rites of Spring. Most of the current "emo" kids throw that band name around a great deal. They had a great single when I was 16 and you weren't alive, kiddo, so, blah, blah, blah.

Fugazi, on the other hand, broke the rules and still does. An energetic tension, almost always political lyrics and a hard edged sound that has been essentially copped -- along with many sounds from the Dischord label that they founded -- for today's tight, hard and angry. They are more proof that whenever a band is given enough time to get really good on their instruments and sound, great things happen that are stolen immediately by the cash wagon outfits with no ideas of their own.

Fugazi deserve a great deal of credit for some other things too. They will not play in bars because they feel that kids under 21 should enjoy music and everyone should hear music sober. They do not take drugs, drink or smoke. They are the acknowledged enzyme that made the "straight edge" movement so popular. They also shy away from studio trickery and instead rely on actually knowing how to write and perform a compelling song. As far as I know, five bucks still gets you into a show, just like it did back in '89.

Still, if a dude needs that at a job. Well, he gets his elbow room and then some. That said, I love Fugazi tunes, but Tool is a waste of good plastic.

You know FBR thinks Tool is hot sutff! I guess to each his own and he can keep them!

Theives. Oasis without drugs on the part of both band and listener simply sits like cold oatmeal, as does most of that stuff. Those British bands were/are all propped up by producer/engineers like John Leckie (who I love) or everyone who wants to be him (I love them not so much.) Most acts stole every hook they have played. Pathetic. Radiohead? Moments of true genius, but they are among a couple of exceptions. The majority of stuff that hits the air over here is cookie cutter rubbish that insults my intelligence as a fan of pop music from the rock era. Lifting entire hooks, lyrics and passages will never ever endear me to a band, ever. Grrr. :0)

As the tired stickers say, "Corporate rock still sucks."

I am all for whatever gets a fellow or lady through the day. Just keep it on your side of the fence. You know what I mean? Watch hamsters mate, have a Jell-o fight, build a distillery out of Legos, just don't make me see it, hear it or smell it. Listen to Tool at an earthshattering volume -- just use headphones. :0)

I'm gonna post some rather lengthy lyrics from a great Boston Song so sorry in advance....GREAT SONG THOUGH!

Boston Corporate America

Who can stop de-evolution of the human race?
Look at you, Corporate America, you're in disgrace
Globalize; cigarettes, business jets, you love it
Maximize; but you can take your bottom line and shove it

Gotta get away (gotta get away)
Gotta get away, but I need a little help tonight
What 'ya gonna say (what 'ya gonna say)
What 'ya gonna say when you never even seen the light
See the light

Corporate America, look out, look out
Corporate America, who's gonna save us, who's gonna save us now?

You and I; DVDs, SUVs and cyberspace
Flying blind, virtual reality is in our face
This Earth desecrated by the human race
Now what's it worth? When do we evacuate to outer space?

Corporate America, look out, look out
Corporate America, who's gonna save us, who's gonna save us now?

I see the future in the past
Just took the corner way too fast, the reckless ride of modern man
Flattened everything that stands
Fooled by the sales pitch for progress at a dizzy pace
We idolize the filthy rich for giving us synthetic taste
Computer calls, urban sprawl
Is the world a better place, is the world a better place?

Fare thee well, global extinction's forever
So what the hell, order your Mercedes in leather
Veal crates, ozone holes, and toxic waste
And don't count out religious hate
Who can survive this manmade fate?

Gotta get away
Gotta get away, and I need a little help tonight
What 'ya gonna say
Wha 'ya gonna say when you couldn't even see the light
See the light
Yeah
(Tom Scholz)

As long as I am on the topic of great lyrics...take a look at this truly great one from my man Sammy!

Who Has the Right

Here's a message from the heart, are you listening?
Some things belong to you and no one else
One more life is taken, and that's one more than God allows
And there's another on the row shouting out
Who has the right?
Who has the right?
And there's a war out in the streets that no one is winning
Tell me when did a human life become so cheap
How can we take away what we did not create
Beyond the power of the conscience
Beyond the power of the state
Tell me who, who has the right?

No one has the right

Everyone's a victim and everyone's to blame
We are all so different, yet the same
Everyone's the master of, their own destiny
As long as one of us is chained, none of us is free

How can we take away what we did not create?
Beyond the power of the conscience
Beyond the power of the state
Tell me who, who has the right?
Well no one has the right

Are we making a mistake here?
Well, there's no room for that

Who has the right?
No one has the right

This is why I love this forum. :0)

Chillin' with DT & Merkin on a Saturday morning.

There are some very powerful songs out there like the two I posted......unfortuneately you will not here them on the air as they do not fit well with the corporate mindset! A little on the "TRUTH" side of the fence and they do not want to see that or let listeners hear it either from their station!

This is what makes FBR and Cort such a breath of fresh air. A real rock show with guys who have the cojones to interview Ralph Nader is tops in my book. In fact, they asked smarter questions than 99% of the journalists out there and still brought out his sense of humor. Smartasses, yes. Professional, when it calls for it, also yes. I usually skip all the moshing and go for the "all funny, no grunge" version on the internet.

Dave McKay had a set the other morning that was cool too. Lots of subtle "change" songs, like Thunderclap Newman and stuff. I agree, the idea of grabbing songs on message is something that has escaped a lot of stations these days, but some are getting it.

Just to tie into the thread: Haaaaaaarrrrrrrr, mateys. Piracy.

"The band Fugazi was formed from another band called Rites of Spring. Most of the current "emo" kids throw that band name around a great deal."

Heyyy, now....I match the "emo kids" description (without the stereotypical "cutting" and drug abuse, aside from the gallons of coffee I frequently consume) and I never even HEARD of those bands until about five seconds ago!

(But then, I bet very few people have seen an Emo Kid who listens to Pat Metheney, or Eric Wollo, or Everett Harpe, or even Anita Baker for that matter! Rebellion rebelling against itself, turns out. Fellow Emo brothers of the world, I give you Motozak........)

Not doggin' you Zak, but you gotta admit, it is much more fun to be an "emo" sheepdog that among the flock. I detect that you and I both share that sense that music didn't begin with any genre or time, but that great music knows no era, race or other pigeonholes. We just like great music. :0)

Indeed.

In fact, I did a run to the Mall today rocking to Nine Inch Nails, into AC/DC (just for example, out of about 70 others on that particular CD).....and upon the return-trip it was Herbie Mann's "Waterbed" into the Zagreb Soloists' decent treatment of Beethoven's Fifth.

There are many anthropologists, physiologists (not 100% certain of them but am including anyways) and psychologists who believe music is the oldest known form of human communication, even preceding spoken, well, speech...........

I will take nay 80's arena band over any 10 modern internet quickie groups of today! Great music is great but not being produced very much any more if at all! Selling music in the present and moresoe in the future will not depend on how good you are but how much of your trash makes the news! Oh look....Britney was not wearing any underwear again...let's go buy one or all of her CD's!

I actually kind of feal sorry for the guys at the Clark County Ampitheatre as the great stadium packing concerts are all but over with as least as Rock is concerned. You still will pack a few in with country but how many seats do you think they will sell for Tool or Limp Bisquick or any crap band today. Hell it probably would only be half capacity for three of them all at once! There is a big difference in the great Rock of yesterday and the Rock of today that will never be great!

signed......
Hopelessly a fan of what was and never will be again!

We went to a Jimmy Buffett concert at the Ampitheatre after it first opened.....I must have been about 17 or 18 at the time. (The concert just sucked, by the way. The drunken Parrotheads around there didn't do anything to help it at all.....)

All I can say is, never, never again.......even if only for the horrendous traffic nightmare getting out of there that night...............


"Selling music in the present and moresoe in the future will not depend on how good you are but how much of your trash makes the news! Oh look....Britney was not wearing any underwear again...let's go buy one or all of her CD's!"

Unfortunately that seem to precisely be the case today. Who cares about, say, Andy Williams, or the Ames Brothers, or even more recently Jamie Cullum? (Although I do believe his stuff is very highly singable, I don't listen to him very often.....) Those guys had pipes, or if anything else a palatable presentation!! Seems all the rage now is gravitating towards the trampy girls who can't sing a note if their lives depended on it (Brittney and Paris for two rather sickening examples) or the talentless, screaming crap-acts spawned by American Idol. Shameful.

Why do they pass that crap off as "music"? Is it because it has an accompaniment, what??

We will never ever see a pure, unbridled, exciting young star like Brenda Lee, so long as these two items are the two biggest factors in the music industry:

The audition couch:
http://www.ethanallen.com/ea/com.ethanallen.ecom.HomePageServlet

The pitch corrector:
http://www.lexiconpro.com/ProductIndex.aspx?ProductID=10

Talent like Britney Spears and a thousand others is discovered on the former and created with the latter.

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I used to go to the Clark County Fair and see the country stars play back in the 80s. This where country music sent their pioneers to die when they decided that endless variations on the Eagles and Little River Band would sell more records. The fiddle, lap steel, mandolin, banjo, piano and all the other great country instruments were buried by one white toast lead guitar. If you couldn't be boring, young and safe, you were tossed out. Sad. So so sad. Oh, Gram Parsons, why did you have to go?! Johnny, Willie, Merle, Buck, George -- all needed you to help kick some ass. :o)

Weird Al wants us to download this song for free and then buy his new cd. I like his marketing strategy.


http://music.download.com/weirdalyankovic/3600-10607_32-100948958.html

Hey.....I have came close more than once in buying this!

Thanks Dave! He has a really devious scheme, nefarious even. :0)

So who else loved UHF? Dumb, sure, but the "I'm a-gonna beat this baby seal" car salesman was an all time classic!

Love everything Weird Al does. UHF was a bit lame in some spots but very funny in others. The "Oscar" bit and "Beverly Hillbillys" video are a must for any true Weird Al fan.

Weird Al must be doing something right. He has out-lasted most of the groups he has parodied. His original songs are just as cool. He puts on great family oriented concerts. He has adapted to the changing music and still manages to spoof yet another genre of music.

His Pa wasn't too shabby on the squeezebox either. :o)

In a way, with the ease that he rebuilds the hits, he pulls the skin back to expose the robots in charge. I love him for that too!

I don't understand why Fatboy is not on in the afternoon at KUFO that guy is really witty, smart and pretty damn funny!

I just now realized that people were talking about the show here in the thread.

Seriously..thanks you guys. And I'm glad you dug the Nader interview.

As far as piracy goes, I've never been against stopping it, but I've always thought demonizing the CONSUMER as a method of "deterrence" was stupid. I've written ESSAYS on the subject, but eradicating theft is like punching out God. It's never going to happen. People will always steal. the best defense is appealing to convienience. If people think it's easier to PAY then to steal--they won't steal as much.

making regular consumers suffer through ads, warnings, and in most cases, DEGRADED THEATRICAL PRINTS or PURPOSEFULLY WATERMARKED AUDIO is so counterproductive it's laughable.

Little songs says:
This is what makes FBR and Cort such a breath of fresh air. A real rock show with guys who have the cojones to interview Ralph Nader is tops in my book. In fact, they asked smarter questions than 99% of the journalists out there and still brought out his sense of humor. Smartasses, yes. Professional, when it calls for it, also yes. I usually skip all the moshing and go for the "all funny, no grunge"
version on the internet.

AMEN! I also agree with Beano and Little Songs. Although Im not a huge fan of KUFO, I do find myself tuning into the Cort and Fatboy show. They did put on a really "Smart" interview" with Ralph Nader. Fatboy is one of those smart Eggheads who knows a lot about movies and politics. Its actually quite refreshing to hear a guy on the radio who keeps up to date with Current events and actually knows whats going on. Although I always thought he sounded like a young Punk on the radio, I have to hand it to him, he makes some great radio. Anyone can get on the air and talk about Anna Nicole Smith, but only a selected few can get on the air and have a smart interview with Ralph Nader.
Cheers to Fatboy for being a geeky egghead! Thats a complliment, by the way!

well hell, if that's the case

www.cortandfatboy.com

feel free to download the show in it's raw form every night

as far as UHF goes--it's a movie that was RIDICULOUSLY ahead of it's time. It holds up better now than it did when it premiered.

DAMN I need a website...and proper talent.

All I have is beer and a mic. Gotta start somewhere.

dude, beer and a mic is how some of the best entertainment EVER was created

Well thanks - That's what I keep telling my wife.

I've got 16 beers left and then I am done...but I am so thirsty.

Ive always wondered if a little beer drinking is aloud at Radio stations. Obviously not drunnkin, Barfin in my pants drinkin, im talking about a beer or two when your on the air. Its a scientific fact that a little alcohol brings out more creativity, and you can't argue with science.
No i'm not Dr. Phil, but I hear he has a WICKED sense of humor.
I agree with the above posters, you would think that the dj's at KUFO are buch of brainless idiots, but surprisingly the Cort and Fatboy show actually do have some smarts in them. Fatboy to me reminds me of the geeky guy in High School who got Straight A's didn't have a lot of friends and instead of going on a date with a girl, he would rush home to read the new Tom Clancy novel.

Amen to that, FBR! To both of your points. While we are tossing out the vastly underrated, Office Space is another movie way ahead of it's time. A truly provocative movie about work, in and out of the office, it winds up being like "Norma Rae" with a fantastic punchline. It could be the most telling movie about America as it was just before 9/11. See it at the Bagdad, but don't bright a fax or a bat!

The world without a beer and a microphone:

Harry Carey has no "Roo troo troot for the Cuh---bbies"
Hank Williams has no "Cold Cold Heart"
John Madden has no "Boom!"
Phil Ochs has no "My Kingdom for a Car"
The Kinks have no "Sunny Afternoon"

Far as FBR and Cort goes, I am sure glad that folks recognize the talent these fellows bring to the table every day. I am right there with you Beano and Mayo. If they didn't care about most of Portland or the real world around them, why in hell would we let them on the air? No, don't answer KXL, in fact, don't change a thing. Lars is far less dangerous with a job. :0)

OFFICE SPACE IS A CLASSIC! That movie is so damn funny even the 110th time you watch it. I almost craped my pants the first time I saw it, I was laughing so hard! Whats so interesting is that "office Space" tanked when it first came out in the theaters. It did horrible, and nobody really knew about because it wasn't out for very long. Once it came out on DVD is when it really took off.

well, this will be my last bit of self-promo (in this thread, at least, and I am semi-drunkish right now) but we do a series of midnight movies (at 11pm) at the Bagdad Theater, every first Friday of every month, and March's midnight movie is, in fact, Office Space. only 3 bucks to get in the theater (which serves beer, by the way), and I'd love to see some PDX-Radio guys showing up and quaffing brews while enjoying a flick.

Also, check out Tim Savage's show, both on KUFO and on AM 970 AND on Comcast 14 at 9pm on Wednesday's. His sense of humor is pretty off-kilter, but more often than not he cracks me up TREMENDOUSLY.

Office Space was so wasted on theatrical release. FOX didn't know what to do with it, advertised it as a Jennifer Aniston vehicle, and of course it failed. Terrible. Almost as bad as what they did to Idiocracy, Mike Judge's theatrical follow-up to Office Space. That was basically a direct-to-dvd movie after Fox was done with it, and it was probably funnier than 99 percent of the comedies that came out in 2006. Rent it, you won't be disappointed. Why FOX doesn't know what to do with Mike Judge, I don't know, but probably NEVER has such a filmmaker been crapped on by a studio SO unfairly. And Idiocracy is probably one of the best satires since Dr. Strangelove. I know that sounds extreme, but I believe it.

Also: Beer + John Madden = Raiders Championship

Bunsofsteel, your stuff is funny.

"Fatboy to me reminds me of the geeky guy in High School who got Straight A's didn't have a lot of friends and instead of going on a date with a girl. he would rush home to read the new Tom Clancy novel."

*Barry White Voice and appropriate wah-guitar*

"Ask the ladies, oh yes, yes indeed, there he goes, the nerd. Yeah, hung like an equestrian and up late with a flashlight memorizing a dogeared Kama Sutra. Can you dig it? He is studying for you, yes you. Someday, yeah ladies, that is gonna be yours, all yours."

That's a military secret in high school. If, like me, you were too heavy for swirlies and therefore immune, you wouldn't want to expose that other surprise superpower, would you? It is better to read after school than to blow money on a silly giggling distracted tissue-stuffed sweater who deserves no part of your intellectual truncheon of passion. Let the guy on the football team get the "meat" nickname and bask in the glory of your own well-written essays. Are you feeling this FBR? I waited until I found an amazing woman, I bet you did too. :0)

Totally correct. Didn't have a decent, REAL relationship until like 24 years old. There were high-school girls, but I'd be lucky to keep one for 3 weeks at the most. Spent most of my high-school/community college years inside practicing turntable techniques and creating beds/instrumentals of the hip-hop variety from the ground up.

And then at 25, met my future-wife at my call-center job and we're probably going to buy a house this year, been living together for 3 1/2 years, and she's way out of my league. And as of now, I've totally fooled her on that count. She thinks I'm worthy of her company, and I plan on NEVER letting her learn otherwise ;)

But yes, she is never-endingly amazing

FB - sending you an email to your listed account.

All Access:

A new report released Friday says that global piracy and counterfeiting cost Los Angeles area companies $5.2 Billion and the city at least $483 Million in tax revenues in 2005.

No it didn't. Count on it.

A huge percentage of those costs are projections based on retail and extremely optimistic number of units that would have been sold projections.

Of the revenue that is left, that actually was not earned, due to piracy, the majority of it lies in the far east.

I'm not condoning the state of things right now as the law is the law and we really should be addressing that instead of just breaking it.

However, some socioeconomic pressure is required for these kinds of changes to actually happen.

(And they need to happen --current law is tilted way too much in favor of large media companies, leaving the consumer and artists at a disadvantage.)

A recent study also failed to link music downloads to lost revenue. I'll try and dig up the link later.

Remember, the "losses" are really oppertunity costs at best. The companies didn't actually see a negative impact on their profit, only some perception of said profit not being as large as they believe it could have been.

Their massive losses are on one extreme, with nobody cares nothing was lost being on the other. The reality is somewhere in there.

One other thing: Copyright extensions have stolen from all of us in the form of a sharply diminished public domain. This is where new creative works come from. It is also where we enrich our culture, remixing that from the past with elements of todays thought.

This theft has just as big of numbers on it, if we are to count the oppertunity costs associated with a less permissive culture. How many block buster movies have we been denied because large corporations choose to extend copyright, thus stealing from the very content pool that got them rich in the first place?

It's more complex than just saying, "look at all the copies they made!"

When they are feeding and housing every remaining pioneer of America's rich musical tradition, fixing the cradle of Zydeco and providing school districts with band instruments, they can march lock step, but until they are serving music and not corporations, they will still come off like the same old opportunistic leeches.

Here is the latest waste of money, time and energy on the part of the music industry -- going after colleges:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070221/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music

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AHA!!! PROOF that the RIAA has transmogrified itself from an "organisation dedicated to the betterment of recorded music and literature" (per a 1972 LP album jacket) into an "organisation dedicated to the perversion of recorded music and literature and the promotion of greed, frivolous lawsuits and the impending downfall of an entire industry" (per my own musings.)

And because of that I downloaded Weird Al's song and played it VERY LOUD earlier today on my CD player here at Clark, partially on protest of the RIAA. (Supposedly the RIAA somehow prohibits playing music openly in public places. They can shove that up their collective ass!) Consider it a political act!

The industry can destroy itself but it can NEVER destroy American liberty, especially FREE SPEECH.

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God, I feel so rebellious....... *grin*

Zak, you rawk!

In case anyone missed this bit of fun last year, here it is, the Imbibe bust:

"Three cover songs and $10K later, Imbibe still stands. Cover songs are all fun and games until someone gets hurt. As reported two months ago (see "Rogue of the Week," WW, Oct. 18, 2006), Southeast venue/restaurant Imbibe got a sharp smack in the ass by ASCAP, one of three large music-licensing organizations that are, in effect, ad hoc administrators of U.S. copyright law. You see, the Black Notes, a local soul band, had the gall to cover the Hendrix tune "The Wind Cries Mary" and a pair of Stevie Wonder songs, "That Girl" and "Slippin' Into Darkness," on Imbibe's stage. Unfortunately, an ASCAP snoop happened to be in the room. The small club faced damages upward of $30,000 due to its role as the Black Notes' temporary employer.

The same week that WW slapped ASCAP with a Rogue of the Week for sticking it to a small, family-owned business, owner Michael Dorr was in frantic negotiations to reach a compromise that would leave his business standing. He found it, but it hurt like hell: Dorr paid the organization $750 a pop for the songs and three years of back licensing fees. Not including attorney's fees, the rough total of the ordeal was $10,000. Additionally, a badged agent from BMI, another licensing organization, visited him shortly afterward, demanding payment for a license on the spot under threat of lawsuit. The agent walked away with a $900 check. An already shaken Dorr didn't even bother to ask what exactly he would have been sued for.

He managed to come up with the money thanks to a quick bail-out from his father, a step he ultimately may not have needed to take. Dorr was overwhelmed after the bust with "tons of groups calling, willing to help," most of them freely tagging ASCAP's move as "exploitation" or "extortion." One call was from a lobbyist in Washington, D.C., working to regulate music licensing, who offered to set up a PayPal account for donations. Still, Dorr's taken responsibility for the bust and concedes three words of advice to others: "Pay your fee," he says, adding, "They could take everything."

Imbibe may have paid its blood money, but don't expect to hear "I Will Survive" coming from its stage. "I'm not a huge fan of cover bands," Dorr says."
-- Michael Byrne, Willamette Week 12/20/06
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3306/8340/
Also:
http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2006/10/this_is_bullshit_local_club_to.p hp
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/10/19/got-a-cover-band-at-your-bar-you-c ould-be-open-to-liability

I am all for original bands and music. I'd much rather not hear a cover unless it was a hollered request or an adopted piece that fits an act. I am also all for clubs taking care of business, and I mean all of their business. In the end, I am not sure that any of that big pile of dough went to the Hendrix estate or into Stevie Wonder's wallet.

The puzzling part is why they have spies at all. Not looking for talent, not seeking the next big thing, not supporting the scene, no, just walking around like music hating thugs waiting to make a bust. Great, now rock and roll has Eliot Ness and a roaring Packard full of strong arms instead of Lester Bangs and a dirty bong. This century could really really suck. :0)

*shakes head in disgust*

The ASCAP's just as bad as the RIAA, maybe worse, because they send spies.

Why do they do this? Because they possibly might be recording artists themselves who cut a record years ago, never made it, and rather than being out of work and living off welfare, Jack Daniel's and cocaine they want to extract revenge on people as harshly and unfairly as they can (How else would they afford those solid-gold Hummers or diamond swimming pools? Those things don't grow on trees, you know.................)

Why do they do this? Because they, as is the RIAA, are the music industry's equivalent to the KGB. Looking for folks exercising their right to free speech and busting them royally for it, extorting money in exchange for that freedom.

This century *could* really suck? I think it already does and it has barely even gotten started...............

"This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright #154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin' it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to do."

-- Woody Guthrie

*flips the finger at the RIAA and ASCAP*
The FCC and ClearChannel too..

To ANYONE and EVERYONE in America reading this, whether they be a PDX Radio Board member, a lurker or casual passer-by, a Googler, anyone and everyone who has ever feared or faced the threat or action of a music industry invoked lawsuit or penalty, anyone and everyone who currently has, or in the past had, any part in the manufacture, distribution, sale, presentation, consumption, piracy, promotion, betterment or listenership of recorded audio~

NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO TAKE ACTION!

I want all of you to get up from your chairs. Walk away from your Internet terminals for a moment. I want you all to locate the nearest record industry or union agent, rep or spy, walk right up to him, look him square in the eye and yell "HEY DUDE!! I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE THIS ANY MORE!!!" And if there isn't one nearby, then call in and mention it on a talk show, write it in an E Mail, post it on discussion forums, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. WE MUST MAKE THE TRUTH KNOWN!

Are ya with me America?!?!?

(Apologies to Howard Beale.)

Get this, RIAA wants ISP account holders to be completely responsible for anything that happens on their accounts!

http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/02/riaa_contests_d.html

Essentially, they have had some difficulty meeting their burden of proof for their complaints of file sharing. Their entire model depends on them being able to litigate a ton of people, limiting due process as much as is possible.

We then, must surrender core liberties so it's easier for their shakedown when they can't even justify their harm --and their very existance over the longer term?

This will eliminate free wi-fi efforts, ad driven or not. It also will essentially make public networks, using the unregulated spectrum granted to us, illegal for all practical purposes as well.

The ugly part is the bad guys will continue to do what they do as they have little to lose where these kinds of liabilities are concerned, while the rest of us largely doing the right thing end up hobbled and at risk far more than is currently justifiable.

I love these guys, I really do.

Given their logic, why don't they just start suing to high heaven anyone posessing a radio and/or a tape deck?

Ya know, break into every home in America (no warrant, of course), round-up all radios, tape decks, VCRs, TiVos, CD recorders and anything else capable of producing and/or storing audio. Hell, rip out the people's voice boxes and brains while they are at it! When all is said and done, assess a $100,000 penalty per device or organ.

Makes just about as much sense, but then again when all is said and done, at least the whole "audio piracy" BS would become a moot point and could be called "over and done with".................

*pauses to think for few moments*

Come to think of it, aren't there federal laws regulating petty or frivolous lawsuits? 'Coz if there are I sure as hell haven't been seeing them enforced in recent years. And I don't just mean with the RIA* only, I mean including them and all the others in general where it seems if you even look at someone the wrong way, or say "Hi!" to them when passing them on the street, bam! there's $50,000 gone from your life minus attourney's fees!

Ever watch "Judge Judy"??

No. But we'll have the chance to watch Judge Larry Seidlin soon. I'm just taking a wild guess.

Here's a thought (a little off thread, but kinda the same thing);

The FCC prohibits (or at least they used to) the rebroadcast of radio station programming.

So if you call a business with your cell phone and they have a radio station tied to their music-on-hold, and the radio station is rebroadcast over the cellular airwaves, is that illegal?

It is.

At least some of the companies I've dealt with think so. They paid for a two to four minute loop of nothing music, to avoid legal entanglements.

>>radio station tied to their music-on-hold, and the radio station is rebroadcast over the cellular airwaves

It doesn't matter whether it's cellular or landline. It is an infringement the same as playing the radio in a public area of a business without paying ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC fees.

It is considered fair-use for a radio station to have their own station on-hold, but beyond that a fee is required.

The alternatives, as Missing stated are, royalty-free or public domain music, or just run ads or other information about the business on a loop.

Or just pipe silence into the line.....at least you don't have to pay royalties for performance of nothing.............

Although there is always the case of the phone being near a full power transmitter, such as my phone at home vs. the something-20,000-watt Music Of Your Life signal.....if the person on the other end hears it (happens quite a bit, thank God for in-line noise filters) wouldn't that count as an infringement issue? Even IF it's merely little more than secondhand nuisance RF interference??