Todsy, I learned that the original version of "Soulful Strut" is not Young Holt Unlimited's 1968 instrumental as we all thought but rather a vocal rendering from 1969! It's amazing how, in this particular instance, the remake actually came before the original! This should come as very good news indeed for the Friends of Distinction!

I once heard a jock on the Jones Good Time Oldies sat network say the theme to Goldfinger by Shirley Bassey came out in 1973. Movie and song came out in '65. I can understand an error of a year or two but...

Most Copyright dating on 45 rpm records began in late 1972. He was looking at the re-issue record year most likely.

KNOW YOUR PRODUCT!!!

....Things I Learn From Listening To The Radio...

Computers are fun loving. When no one is around, they like to play two commercials at the same time, or play outdated news and weather forecasts and vts that don't match the programming. Probably the most interesting listening at some stations

"Probably the most interesting listening at some stations"

Amen.

I actually find the discussions in here more interesting than any discussions on Radio. I only listen to Radio for entertainment. I like the sation and the DJ's on the station I listen to. They are entertaining and I enjoy the music they play. Beyond that is my trusty ZUNE. It is usually on during the AM drive time as I can only stomache Mark & Brian or the Carolla Bonaduce Slamtrack express about 1 day a week! I am in a self imposed "Rut" and only like to listen to Classic Rock or with the wife and daughter in the car don't mind listening to their favorite station "104.1"! When by myself though it is Rock and it is Loud.

The person actually presented it that way: They established 1968 and then went on to 1969.

Things I learn listeng to the radio.

President kennnedy had been shot
Senator Kennedy had been shot.
Gov Wallace had been shot.
Marylin Monroe had died.
The N Vietnames attacked ships in the gulf of Tonkin.
President Nixon resigned.
President Ford pardoned Nixon.
These were before the CNN's and internet.
so you only found about news, outside the evening or nightly news , from radio.

...Commercial airliners had hit the World Trade Center towers.

...OMSI will host Body Worlds this summer.

...Anna Nicole Smith died.

...The Season Premire for [whatever] tonight at 10:00

...hear more about the American Idol tonight on a [station] news channel exclusive!

...Elvis is dead.

...Rod Stewart is in the hospital.

...that song I REALLY liked just now was Nirvana and not Pearl Jam.

...KNRK is exactly what I hoped it would be.

...Freddie Mercury has died.

...Jerry Garcia has died.

...Jeff Clarke always made me laugh, and made my work day go fast.

...Be caller number ____ and possibly win tickets to something sold-out and/or incredibly expensive. Or fun.

...KINK used to be a great station and then suddenly it sucked. Mostly due to the arrival of new boss and too much TTF (and Sting, Tracy Chapman, Phil Collins, Bonnie Raitt, et. al). I don't miss it one bit

...Les Sarnoff's voice is more irritating (in my case) than knives being sharpened.

...Iris can make 40-year old retreads interesting (trivia!) and you can actually hear her smile.

...Howard can interview somebody I didn't care for or know, and they turned out to be great and/or interesting. He cut the crap and did a great job on 9/11

...Sometimes Mark & Brian did this (pre-Disney buy-out, when they were actually funny); they're pretty "tired" and "safe" now, but a good example was Patrick Warburton, I laughed my butt off and have loved him ever since...

...learned exactly where the Landmark Diamond Corner is.

...Song titles, artists, and dates...oh wait, that all comes from Sirius.

"You'veprobablyheardofme."
"Rip City!"
"Bingo, Bango, Bongo"
"Lickity-brindle-up-the-middle"
"Cyclops at mid court"
"After these words..."
"Out 122nd Way"
"Artist Norman Rockwell has passed away..."
"Needy Kids Fund"
"Holy Torpedoes!"
"Mother McCree!"
"Another long set..."
"Kingdom of Nye"
"John Lennon has been shot in New York City"
"The Water Heater King"
"Sixtytwokaygeedoubleyou"
"I, James Carter, do solemnly swear..."
"Go to the freezer and get the box"
"The Happy Place to Buy"
"Booth of Truth"
"Modern Plumbing Company" (to the tune of the Can-Can)
"The actor Chris Farley has died..."
"Good Times and Great Oldies"
"The following buses are on snow routes this morning..."
"My Oh My!"
"Fly, fly away!"
"Get out the rye bread and the mustard, Grandma, it's grand salami time!"
"Only the Shadow Knows"
"The names have been changed to protect the innocent..."
"The Uncola"
"An aircraft, a passenger jet, is believed to have just crashed on East Burnside..."
"The Elvis Experiment"
"Fifty-thousand-watt-blowtorch"
"Wherever you may be, Good night, Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverybody!"

"Call the Glass Doctor, he'll fix your panes!"

And give you 20 free dinners to the Refactory restraunt!

WRONG....FREE IS NOT FREE.

They charge your insurance at least double what it should be to cover for those free dinners and when the insurance companies come up short on paying.....the fine print on the paper you signed makes you responsible for the difference!

You will not hear that on radio.....just remember PDXRadio set the Record Straight...although it is still full of scratches! LOL

Well, at least it IS a good price, anyways, or so "Uncle Tom" dun told me......

And re: your last post, about the rut--

Sounds like me......when I am en route ro work it's usually Golden Hours, especially when I am with my folks, or my Grandfolks on a weekend when they are playing the Radio Entertainment Network simulcast. (Even I listen to that when it's a long, dark night's drive home..........)

But when I don't have that fired up it's usually a CD of [mostly classic] rock and roll and hip-hop, usually played VERY LOUD. And usually more often than not I have that fired up instead of GH.

Sidenote: when in Seattle last week I had to drive my younger, 13-year old cousin to some music-lesson thang he was doing up in the Wallingford area (not at Muzak incidentally, though we did pass by there a coupla times) and all the while he was begging to listen to Radio Disney. (Heh....not on my equipment......)

Then he got exposed, likely for the first time in his life, to the Stones, Run-DMC, the Doors and the Sugarhill Gang. (Yes, it is a long drive to-from their house, because they live just outside Seattle, near the SE side.)

Quite honestly I don't think Coz has gotten over it, I think it was a life-changing experience for him.............

ZAK

For one thing you iz far to young to be in a rut. You were just born into the wrong generation. You do not follow with the pack your age group is in. You would have been more at home as a young teenager in the late 70’s and eighties when all of the great stadium band’s were in their prime and touring constantly! As far as a RUT….talk to me in twenty years and we will see! I could see you as one of those groups roadies.....setting up the audio and stuff! To bad those days are all but gone now!

L8R

What have I done?!!!

Note to Merkin.....and other's in search of Jewelry for their signifigant others.

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Here is there website but you gotta visit it and see for yourself!


http://www.francodiamonds.com/

BTW.

You can also check out the Accadia at the GMC dealer while you are there. They are right at the bottom of the hill.

(oops -- posted something I meant to go on another thread!)

The radio alarm went off one morning and instead of the usual boring news, I heard sirens, people shouting and a horrified woman yelling into the microphone, "Both towers are gone. GONE! They attacked both World Trade towers and completely destroyed them! How could something like this happen?"

I've also learned that Bad Company did a lot of songs and KGON plays all of them.

Sometimes Bad Company can be Good Company!

Subtopic: How many other songs are the same name as the artist recording them?

>>How many other songs are the same name as the artist recording them?<<

I'll start the list:

Bo Diddley - Bo Diddley
Talk Talk - Talk Talk
BT Express - Express (OK, a bit of a stretch...)

I learned that there would be a really, really important announcement the next morning at 10am.

Ha Ha Ha

Mike Nesmith of the Monkees, in an arguement with other members of the group, once said something to the effect of, "You'll never, ever see the Beatles on stage singing 'Hey, Hey, We're the Beatles,' so why should we?"

"October Country" by October Country (bubbling under the top 40 sometime around 1967)

It's interesting that the very moment the Monkees were given creative freedom, they were never heard from again!

except, of course, for "Joanne."

Now, Auntie Grizelda was a classic!

Big Country
Living in a Box
Wang Chung

Oh, so much of that decade hurt my head.

"It's interesting that the very moment the Monkees were given creative freedom, they were never heard from again!"

I respectfully disagree. The first two albums were tossed together at the same time. "More of the Monkees" was released while they were playing shows in Hawaii. It was made up of leftovers from the sessions for the first album and had a cover with a photograph that every member had asked to be thrown away. When they saw it, they were furious and it was one of the reasons they tossed Kirshner aside. Only the first two albums were made without control from the band. They had big hits without "Bubblegum Don" in charge.

Big Country's song was actually titled: In A Big Country. (but I'll give you that one)

However, Wang Chung is waay off. The song title is Everybody Have Fun Tonight. They only use the words Wang Chung in the song.

I know, nit picky, but correct nonetheless.

Ok....so here it is.

I am just a normal listener....well maybe not as I am active on this board.

What I have learned from radio.
I have learned that some stations are worthy of my time. 4 of my presets are entercom: 92.3 94.7 97.1 99.5 1 is CBS 101.1 just for the trainwreck express and the last is 104.1 I think is Salem Communications. Entercom seems to have the best DJ's IMHO. CBS seems to be either on auto-pilot or on auto-destruct....example being Carolla/Bonaduce bomb waiting to explode! LOL
TOO MANY TALK SHOW ACROSS THE DIAL PERIOD!
I have been testing different things and find I like modern christian as the family station when traveling. In the mornings I am also tuning that in over talk radio as well. But my afternoons are still primarily KGON. I love classic Rock but they need more B side music and less top 40 all of the time!

Things I learned as a member of PDXRadio.
Radio is a finicky business and highly volatile. Not the best place financially to make a career but if you love the work then happiness is were you make it! Hard drives are replacing DJ's way to often. Program Control needs to slack of and let the DJ's have a little creative freedom from time to time. Maybe with some new programs like "B Side Vault" as mentioned earlier to get more music into the program. Stations need to poll their listeners more often to see how they are doing and what changes they would like to see.
TO MUCH TOP 40 ACROSS THE DIAL.....B SIDE MUSIC WILL DO WONDERS FOR RATINGS!

And for those listeners out there who complain about radio if you are not involved in a group like this or answer the surveys when they occasionally appear then shut up! If you do not offer any input then just lump along with what comes out of your box and like it! Stations put out surveys because they want to know how they are doing so tell them what you think!

"End of Line"

I seem to remember the Everybody Wang Chung Tonight as one of those paranthetical titles on the old M-TV, but it has been years. I should be ashamed. I did not learn it from the radio. Tin Machine will replace it.

I learned how great a rock and roll tune can be with a transistor radio under your pillow. I sometimes wish it was just that simple now.

I think that Dartemper's observations about the environment of the radio industry nailed it. You've been paying close attention, my friend.

I believe that automation is a growing fact of life everywhere--and actually has been for quite some time--because technological thresholds are being crossed wherein machines can do a job more cheaply than humans. Having said that, it seems a little bit ironic to me that it has become acceptable or even expected that music, which some consider to be a very profound expression of human emotion, to be presented in a people-free, automated context. It is almost as though what was once music radio has evolved into a multitude of flavors of Muzak.

I have done radio on and off over the last 13 years. However, I've never gotten close to the format research part of the business, so that part remains a sort of black magic to me.

"Icehouse" by Icehouse. Guess which album it's on.

"I have learned that some stations are worthy of my time."

I guess I'm a snob. I can't find a single station that I feel is worthy of listening to. Not one. So I don't.

"more B side music and less top 40"

Not since KVAN 1480 Monomaniacs have you heard that (in this market).
Maybe briefly on KKSN 910 when they first came back on the air after being dark, but that only lasted a few months. When KBBT first got started and NRK for that matter, there seemed to be a lot of non main stream stuff, but it didn't last when Entercom, CC, and CBS bought up the whole town.

"nd for those listeners out there who complain about radio if you are not involved in a group like this or answer the surveys when they occasionally appear then shut up!"

They won't 'shut up' because I run into them around town all the time. CD's and iPods have taken over the automobile sound source equation for many people, more than you think. People who, like myself, were lucky to grow up under a different radio landscape summarily reject where the industry has fallen to. It's certainly not just me.

"I believe that automation is a growing fact of life everywhere--and actually has been for quite some time--because technological thresholds are being crossed wherein machines can do a job more cheaply than humans."

This is surely a big part of the problem, but automation in itself hurts careers and luring potential creative talent to the industry but does not mandate the crappy choice of commercial industrialized pablum that musical programming largely has become. You could automate a much better pool of songs. This is an especially big disappointment since the deregulation of ownership gives owners 3, 4 or more channels on which to compete with different formats but instead of serving the broad tastes of all demographics they just focus on lowest common denominator in each format, so you end up with, e.g. each owner group with competing country that focus on top tracks, competing classic rock focused on overplayed hits, etc. etc.

"what was once music radio has evolved into a multitude of flavors of Muzak. "

So true. But there is plenty of music to choose from across all genres and styles and coming from the last 60 years ... but you'd never know it cruising the dial in this town. It's absolutely awful. And the kicker is that younger demographics don't really know how different it can be.

Andy, I miss the hell out of the Monomaniacs. Tim Underwood was a mentor to me and just one of that amazing team.

"...there is plenty of music to choose from across all genres and styles and coming from the last 60 years"

Which is why when a 14 year old listens to Fats Waller or the Orlons or Bootsy Collins on his iPod, radio misses the target completely. This is a researching, digging up the gems kind of generation, much like mine was in the 80s. While we took years in record stores and libraries to get a grasp of recorded music, they are developing their tastes over the course of months on the internet. By the time many hit 18, they have much more sophisticated tastes than anyone seems to imagine, let alone acknowledge.

These kids are amusing themselves by being DJs in their spare time, more now than ever. Yes, I was that kind of 14 year old too. Coincidentally, I became one when CHR let me down. Until then, most of the time, there was something good on. I got my hits from KGW, then KMJK, but soon I didn't bother with new music anywhere except on the very left side of the dial.

Of course, I still tuned in the great jocks at the ever steady KGON and several wonderful experiments like KYTE kept me scanning for music around the dial. Once in a while, it was fun, but usually short lived. New music had failed me, but the oldies on KISN brought me back in the 90s to having a commercial music station that never let me down, or wait, that's right, thanks for nothing suits.

This is the story of one 30-something Portlander, but my ears are to the ground. My story represents tens of thousands of my demographic in this town who grew up here, loved the stations and are now let down every day by commercial radio. It is bad enough that independent music gets no audience, but tens of thousands of releases by major artists on major labels have been remastered with no place to call home outside of the satellite music mills.

That is shortsighted and stupid, when you can put a great jock between them, sell some spots and push it into the air. People still like to listen to the radio. A lot of us would be back in the on-air talent pool if we didn't have to listen to the poorly conceived and narrowly focused set-lists. If it is killing us in the booth, don't you think it is killing the listeners too? I got into radio because I loved music and I knew music. There were some kick-ass MDs and PDs that I looked up to from afar. The days of the five room record library are done. Fine. You can store all of that and more in something not much larger than the microwave in the break room.

Please, bean counting privileged stewards of our airwaves, stop the excuses and be the best you can be in your field. Just because you have eliminated competition does not mean you have to shut off imagination too. Some stations in this market are trying, look around, I know it is risky, but you should too. Didn't you go to business school because you liked to gamble with other people's money? If you do not have ideas, there are plenty of us who would gladly volunteer and we have an inkling of what the hell people like to hear. Pick a demographic and this town has the talent to match.

*deep breath*

The Monomaniacs are dead. Long live the Monomaniacs.

My tenure at KVAN was a lot of hard work, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. I was just lucky Iris got tired of waiting for us to get the night pattern working right and split to KGON before we went 24/7, making me the first all night guy in late '77. I remember moving to Portland in '76. I spent my first day here riding around town listening up and down the dial. My sis lived here then, and she gave me a heads up about KVAN. On my second day, I found the swamp and walked in and met Gloria, who immediately sent me on a food run to the Red Steer. Came back the next day and met B.A., and a few months later was doing weekends. If life today could only be that easy.

Scowl....
It is on the same CD that WALLS is on from Icehouse!
Different sound that Iva Davies has but I like it!

I seem to remember that 101 KRCK used to play those two songs back in the day!

Add:
You play baseball....specifically deep left field...cause that is for sure were that one came from. LOL.

What CD was Icehouse "Electric Blue" first recoreded on?

Andy, it is nice to meet you. If you were an all night guy, I am sure I dug your work. In late '77, I was an insomniac with an out of control 9 volt battery habit. That was an amazing time for music and talent. Thanks for some of the history too. It really wasn't that long ago it was all a large happily dysfunctional extended family of individuals who cared for each other, was it? Am I being myopic?

Now there are bonds, you see them here, but the family is much smaller. It's like a town after the Dust Bowl. Folks scattered across the landscape and many out of the business. Just a shame.

Forgive my ranting. It is still hard to adjust to a landscape without live talent at every spot on the dial. I know, it has been years since automation kicked in and spread like athletes foot. I ought to accept that local voices who represented and still represent a lot of what made radio special to us "yokels" probably don't mean a bucket of spit to the folks with the laptops in platinum cases.

Still, when I think of how magic it was to discover things through the eyes of a fellow music lover, well, it just makes me sad and agitated. I suspect that I am probably not alone it that feeling. When a station finally hits a groove and gets blown up, it's like the kids who fell in love with Pixieland only to have it disappear in less than 4 years. Change is one thing, but carving out hunks of our local flavor to save a buck is vicious.

I learned that from listening to the radio.

Speaking of Icehouse, somebody play more of it --thanks!

Littlesongs, that's an important insight. When P2P hit, it was an amazing experience. Totally destroyed my perception of what the scope of music expression was.

I think this is happening to more than just young people though. I'm a gen x'er and plenty of us enjoyed the P2P wave. (still are...) Going deeper with artists, and exploring / importing new ones should appeal if done right.

IMHO, a growing body of people will follow this trend. If cultivated right now, radio might have a shot at directing some of the focus and could set a few back-catalog and import trends.

This, in turn, could work for the music companies in that they could better leverage the properties they have, thus reducing the impact of a failed superstar attempt.

There is a lot of potenial for self label music to shine here as well. Why we don't see more of these explored for signature songs is beyond me. This is an easy differentiator that works no matter how automated and low cost a given station might happen to be.

Completely agree with you on your other fine points as well.

I would add something to the discussion though.

VT has plenty of potential to deliver the work of people on the radio. It's totally possible to make a connection, despite the delay in time. Heck, it's possible to not have live people at all, and still connect well with people --given people are driving the whole thing.

That's where the spark comes from, not machines of any kind --even ones as solid as Pandora are. Why do you think they added social networking to that machine? People connecting with people.

I think it will cycle around, unless other automated revenue sources provide enough to pay off the too large initial investments. (Don't think this will happen as wireless tech will close that gap, leaving broadcasters with few oppertunities in that niche.)

When it gets bad enough that the mega companies reach the limits of their ability to cut costs, they will surrender some of the stations to balance.

At that time, we will have a venue for innovators looking for their shot. It could be a while yet... but it is very likely to happen.

Re: p2p http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070212-8813.html

Thanks Missing. You made some good points and injected a bit of hope into the mix. To me, VT from a fellow in my community or region is not the issue. I know folks who do it, are happy with it and I probably would too with an opportunity. If the human element can't be in the moment, it is a loss for audience and announcer, but still an attempt at connection.

I remember KSKD as one of the first stations where I consciously knew it was canned, but didn't care because it was friendly. As I recall, it also sounded better for music than most FM stations in town.

If live and local is still too much to ask, I will settle for VT. Anything is better than a glorified iPod on shuffle. When a station may as well be an endless ride in an elevator with music covering the sound of the machinery, I have to push the button and get out. You don't give me a hello, and I won't give you a goodbye.

Yep, that station was a solid example of automation working just fine. People handled the playlist and in trade for not having warm bodies on the air, we got good quality and low spot count to maximize the work done on the play lists.

Not a bad trade, and one that Charlie would do well to look hard at.

One other thing about VT, it sets the expectation for podcast type programming. This is early still and very unexplored. As it continues to grow and develop, I'll bet there will be a ton of good content to mine, and a few stars wanting to move up.

To be completely fair to the suits, there is an evolution required of radio people as well. The classic high energy, good personality, top 40 sound and delivery we all like, does not match the times in the same way it used to.

Don't get me wrong, the skills are all relevant, but the value ads have changed. I think there is some serious merit to exploring other ways to add value to the music, by putting it in context. Context is growing more important these days as raw information is totally easy to find.

When anyone can buy anything from anytime online, it's tough for a lot of people to dig in and discover. We still need the hand holding.

I'm beginning to get the feeling it's not all about new music, or even the filtering of good from bad. While those things are great, there could be more and maybe the bar has been raised without anyone noticing.

Tying music to current events, building sets to speak on topic, etc... used to be done and they worked. Perhaps we are coming around to that kind of thing being a solid value add.

Another area to be exploited is the simple truth that music means memories for a lot of people. Exploring that on air could be an interesting combination of phones and music.

Moods, etc... can all be expressed this way.

These things combined with the wider pool of acceptable music for up and coming demos, suggest the efforts for context might pay off in that they bring focus without seeming more narrow than radio seems today.

Missing....
I found and stole an original in shrink wrap "Icehouse" self titled CD on Ebay for $12.00. Those CD's are rare due to the time frame it came out. Cassettes were the thing and people still had 8-tracks for sale and vinyl was everywhere! Think i'll try to find the "Man of Colours" CD next. It has a techno tone to it but I kinda like it. Forgotten Ausie group form yesterday!

Songs the same name as the band.......

Yellow Balloon... by Yellow Balloon..........

> These things combined with the wider pool of
> acceptable music for up and coming demos, suggest
> the efforts for context might pay off in that they
> bring focus without seeming more narrow than radio
> seems today.

Could this mean that a format with the classic top-40 philosophy (i.e. playing the most popular current songs with little or no regard to style) might one day be viable again? Or could such a format even work today?

I really like where this conversation is headed.

I am locked in to that idea. The reason that "popular" radio worked for so long was too complex for the average listener to understand at the time, but they didn't have to because it worked for so long.

When you examine careers and artists from a time when charts weren't so compartmentalized, but just in general categories, you had crossover almost everywhere. Radio, don't feel bad. All of music does it now. If you are a lucky artist, the critics throw every cliche at you and if you are not, you crawl in your pigeonhole and go to sleep. Beck wins. Elliott Smith loses. It isn't fair at all. Back then though, a television station theme, or a crazily talented guy like Ray Charles or Roger Miller could be everywhere at once.

The generation gaps were more like seams for another reason too. The very best studios had a "sound" and shared that sound across the spectrum. I dare you. Let's pick an easy one from the bunch. Get some early Beach Boys, Nat King Cole and Frank Sinatra from the same rooms at Capitol in L.A. and put them on shuffle. Or how about the pile of amazing cuts from Western/United or Sunset or A&M? Many genres, sometimes even same studio cats playing, and the same sleepless cats spinning tape. Spooky how that works isn't it?

Combine that with all tube gear from the studio to the airwaves -- that stacks harmonic distortion instead of pushing square waves -- and you've got magic. Sure, that old Yard got hot and smelled, but it is how virtually everybody got that rock and roll. That part is different, sure, but the songs, oh those songs, they are still so alive! Oh, they have also been restored and remastered in piles too.

Now, finally, we have a chance to literally program entire sweeps from one studio over the course of decades. This goes for almost any format. Sun. The great RCA rooms. The godlike Columbia rooms like 30th Street. Muscle Shoals. Chess. Abbey Road. Any place Bill Putnam slept in his chair. All of 'em. Crossover? No sweat, match a tempo or mood without a trainwreck and poof, a whole new way of hearing it all over again. Or for the first time. Instead of just, this is "(insert tight compartment)" and shelving it in the back of your mind. You are suddenly weaving music together on a whole new level. Suddenly you are cross referencing producers, engineers, rooms, session guys, songwriters, eras and this music thing, it is alive and thriving. Nobody does a kickin' Joe Tarsia set, ever. On a Saturday night, that is churning some cans, I promise!

How about an oldies station that does an entire set of the Funk Brothers moonlighting on other labels. Or, while I am asking, a Hal Blaine hour? This stuff is easy now. Internet is cheating. Remember books? Sleeves? Not today's remastered box with a thick book and a lot of extra tunes that used to cost you $10 a B-side. Oh, there are tons of other great tunes?

Which brings me to my last point. Begrudgingly, slowly, radio comes back to artists they didn't break the first time. Leonard Cohen is one on that list, cool. Now, how about those great '66-'69 Kinks records that get left out? You remembered to resurrect Badfinger, now how about other British geniuses like 60s stuff from the Pretty Things? Please, I adore the Zombies, and I am begging you, Oddessy & Oracle has more than one hands down kick ass song. Honest. Anything from Pet Sounds, c'mon, randomly is safe. Go for it!

I am not picking on anyone, I picked the oldies because I think new music formats are close to beyond help, until the labels themselves stop labeling. The classics across the board have hope with a new/old approach. Country, Rock, R&B, Jazz, the whole scene of any era can work together. You could have the whole shot on a station and people would listen. Just creatively weave. The great songs are blessed with timelessness and also have unbelievable staying power. Just ask Mozart.

Thanks Andy, Alfredo, DT, KSKD and Chaplain for the food for thought. We have the technology to do this already. Pardon the outburst, but I learned this from the radio. :0)

Re Icehouse: Get "Measure for Measure" also.

Will check on that also!

TY

Edit Add:

BTW

Okay....sampled and liked it so bought both! I have been shopping music with Barnes and Noble online lately and sort of like it. I do not like tha amazon multiple vendor choice and B&N all comes from them. Also prefer to scratch them myself so never go the used route!! Anyway B&N semms quite easy to use and if not mistaken you can return or exchange locally at a store....but don't quote me on that!

L8R

BTW...BTW

Why is no station playing this music? It is really good IMHO! aybe a little techo synth sounding but good anyway!

L8R L8R