1. Skeptical is incorrect about who used "CONSERVATIVE" and in relation to what station, thus making false accusation.

2. KPOJ 620 is some sort of SACRED COW for some. Complain about 750, 800, 860, 910, etc all you want, but don't you dare touch 620.

3. I agree I should not have said the entire lineup is an error. Its more like the format in general is an error. The arrangement of the various hosts might be "optimum", like maybe its the best availble given the progressive restrictions. Franken was not the whole station, but he was their premier, big name, headline, host.

4. The whole "progressive" thing is partly based in hypocracy. Like are they the ones who what diversity, free speech, inclusiveness, etc. But in reality, other viewpoints are just not tolerated.
Plus its run by same outfit who does the 1190 programs.

5. If shoe was on other foot, some of you would be first in line to trash other station(s) if their major host departed, and then suggest new host who has opposing viewpoints and/or change the whole format.

6. Is their program director so out of it he/she cant think of who to hire, and how to arrange the times for the other hosts? So desperate they have to ask the listeners for input? Of course we all here on pdxradio love to make unsolicited suggestions all of the time.

7. So since they asked for input, I think it is fair game to trash 620 and recommend reactivation of Super62. (also add treble)

Flame on - Flame out

62kgw said: "So since they asked for input, I think it is fair game to trash 620 and recommend reactivation of Super62."

Personally, I don't think you trashed anyone - you just made a fool of yourself. Here is what you posted at 620KPOJ.com, which is typical.

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Bring back Elvis - SUPER62
The Franken-stien program was an abomination. Good Riddence! In fact, the entire program lineup on 620 is an error! What a waste of the frequency. If your listeners want talk, tell them to tune up the dial to 750 to hear Bill O'rielly at 9 AM, followed by Lars at 11.

There is now opportunity staring you right in the face to resume Super-62 format, given the goodbye last night of 91-wonderful KISN Many unemplyed local good-guy DJ's are seeking to return to work right away.


Posted By: 62-KGW - Thursday, February 1st 2007 @ 6:14pm

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62kgw, your petty rant is the equivalent of me saying, "I don't like country music - I don't understand why ANYONE likes country music, it's terrible, why don't they KUPL to classic rock??? Never mind the station's popularity - I DON'T LIKE COUNTRY. Why can't they switch to classic rock?"

Obviously there are plenty of conservative talk stations in Portland and only one - POPULAR - progressive talk station, KPOJ. I guess it just gauls you that anyone might enjoy listening to points of view you disagree with?

GET OVER IT! AM 620 is **NOT** going back to Elvis!! Please, get over it!

Andrew

Besides, almost no one who turns on the radio for music goes to AM. Most people under 50 don't even think about seeing what's on AM. Plus, everyone who listens to oldies on AM is already posting at this board.

Listenerpete,
I was 100% sure they wouldn't post my message, but they surprised me! Took them a couple hours to make decision. Someone else there also mentioned being censored, so maybe they did a flip-flop.

Sometimes its useful to expose idiotic responses and yours definitely qualified. Have a great day.

The format on KPOJ is an AM success story. How many of those are there?

The fact that a quick Google search can dispute almost anything Sean Hannity says is not an argument against conservative talk radio. I'm not part of that target, so my opinion doesn't count. If you're not part of the target for progressive talk radio, then how would it matter to CC's business plan what you think?

I, for one, would like to actually say something complimentary about Clear Channel, and congratulate them for finding this niche for Portland. Can anyone else name an AM that has had this kind of ratings turnaround, and become something of value after languishing in the doldrums?

Welcome 62! Roll up your sleeves and have some fun. It's not exactly pretty all the time, but it can be very engaging. We've a get together happening in the near future. Contact Mrs M for the details!

Well, that's interesting! I didn't think they would post it either.

Looks like some other guy is claiming his stuff didn't make it. Must have been pretty bad. Your stuff is just funny 62! I'll bet that is why it is up there.

***Not only add the higher frequencies back, but broadcast it in stereo! Stereo talk programs on AM would be competetive with any modulation technology out there today! AM Stereo, in particular, is very well suited for this. The lack of extreme high frequencies favors the human voice. There is a nice, warm sound from AMS that really makes longer listening sessions listenable.

(I've rebroadcast some NPR programming on my AM Stereo xmitter for some listening in the car. No serious antenna yet, so it was just in the driveway, but it sounds great! Better than the FM frankly. Less grating and no multi-path fuzz which really shows on voice more than the occasional electrical impulse noise does.)

2. Don't left leaning people have some justification for being a bit touchy? Many, many people said nothing but right leaning talk would work. KPOJ is a killer station. It's not live enough, but the programs are solid programs, for the most part.

Also, if you enjoy talk radio, having more talk radio is a good thing for everyone. Even if people are hating on the station, they are probably listening! I know I listen to Lard Areson and friends from time to time. They produce good programs and really get the blood pumping from time to time.

There is a perfectly valid entertainment factor to that, wouldn't you agree?

4. I'm gonna strongly disagree with this one! Nearly all progressives, liberals, lefties, etc... want support for one's views. This is a biggie.

Say what you want, but there is a lot of self-referential stuff being presented as fact, when it is really opinion, from the right leaning folks. There is also a lot of echo chamber stuff happening too.

To be fair, the left is getting more of this, particularly in the blogspace. In fact, the blogs are driving more of it than usual. Personally I find this interesting. It's a new development that's bringing more voices into the discussion that would not otherwise be there.

The right appears to be working on this, but does not yet have it down as solid as the left currently does.

62,

When in #4 you state:
"But in reality, other viewpoints are just not tolerated."

Demonstrates that you have not even listened to Thom Hatmann.

That's what I enjoy the most about Thom.
He has many guests that he disagrees with, and he always treats them with respect.

I withdraw my claim that 62 stated "conservative" in another thread.

"The whole "progressive" thing is partly based in [hypocrisy]. Like are they the ones who what diversity, free speech, inclusiveness, etc. But in reality, other viewpoints are just not tolerated."

Touche' 62. I've been saying that for years, especially on this board. The left talks a good game, though.

Herb

I call BS.

It's really too bad we don't have a full archive right now. It was possible to go back to the origin of these claims and see exactly where it all broke down.

The one time I did do this, a sampling of threads came down to lack of solid support and personality issues. We've not had a well expressed and supported opinion rejected here --ever.

Remember, there is a clear difference between being able to express yourself freely and having said expression accepted by others.

You can always do the former here. The latter depends on the amount of support brought to the table. If a high percentage of ones posts are not defensible and or supportable, then the solid posts get lost in the noise, thus making it very easy to cry foul.

This post is a perfect example. Do either of you have any solid support for this, or is it just something you feel like saying?

And Herb, we've all been here many times before.

You've not met your burden for that statement ever. The closest you have come is finding an example where things went poorly. Cherry picking at best.

If you've got solid support for your view, then you have no worries.

Herb writes:
Touche' 62. I've been saying that for years, especially on this board. The left talks a good game, though.

Saying it but saying it falsely. As pointed out, listen to Thom Hartmann sometime. He has conservatives on all the time - real ones who can speak intelligently and articulately, people you can actually respect even if you strongly disagree with them. Thom doesn't always get the best of them, either. Lately, Thom has been having Greg Clapper on his local show for an entire hour (in studio) and giving him a lot of airtime, treating him very respectfully. How many times has Rush or Hannity done something like that? (And no, I don't count alan colmes on Hannity's taped/edited TV show on Fox.)

Andrew

Al Franken should have a wake for Stewart Smalley and chain himself to a typewriter. He is much more suited for print than radio. I liked his guests, but he came off as dull, disinterested and condescending. In the same way that I like Eleanor Roosevelt, but not in a bikini, I like Al, just not on the radio.

Thom Hartmann is fantastic. I agree that he demonstrates a lot of tact and grace with his guests. He is engaging and does his research, which is more than you can ask of most talk show hosts regardless of their pet causes.

"He is engaging and does his research, which is more than you can ask of most talk show hosts regardless of their pet causes."

That's the amazing thing about Thom.
He frequently knows more about any given subject than his expert guests, and he almost always has read their books before their appearnce.

How he manages that while doing 6 hours of radio a day, I can't imagine.

I saw Thom talk at a book event at Powell's. He uses his hands a lot when he talks - funny for a radio guy...

Andrew

I hate to have to disagree with you 62kgw in that I think that there is a big benefit to the existence of the KPOJ talk format if you are looking at the situation from a pro free-market point of view. Before Air America launched, a lot of people, on both ends of the political spectrum were saying that the format couldn't work. We had some of that going on on this forum. The "conservatives" mocked the idea and said that it would flop because of a lack of listenership; no, according to them, the only way that such programming could flourish was with "socialistic" public subsidies. Curiously, some people on the left also thought that the format would flop because "corporate America" or commercial radio in general wouldn't get it right; no, only public broadcasting is capable of treating liberals and their views with the dignity that they deserve.

In the end, some of the affiliates, like KPOJ did pull fairly strong ratings, and more importantly, advertisers saw a new audience and they stepped up to buy advertising spots. The naysayers were wrong in a big way. Isn't this as American as it gets? Would you rather that this go away and be replaced by programming on the HD-2 and HD-3 streams of public radio stations, partially funded at taxpayer expense??

To add to the ideas being tossed about, if there is to be more live and local programming, Heidi Tauber should have a shot at her own slot. I've liked her style and natural rapport since her days at KEX. She has a solid background in broadcast journalism to draw on and a good grasp of our fair city.

I miss Sixtytwokaygeedoubleyou too, most of us do, but we can't go through life blinded by memories of the 70s. If you insist on wearing Craig Walker's sweater, please pull your head out of the sleeve.