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Author: Trixter
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:14 am
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Looks like there's a ton if waste going on in Iraq what a surprise.
Bet ya Darth Cheney and Co. are sitting back and smiling about this... CHA-CHING!

Author: Amus
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:39 am
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They don't consider it waste if it goes into their pockets.

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 2:15 pm
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everything bush touches turns into poop.

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 2:21 pm
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Top notch excrement alchemist!

We can just call him the Brown Goose!

Author: Herb
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 2:29 pm
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"...everything bush touches turns into poop..."

Sure. That is if you consider millions of freed Agfhanis and Iraqis 'poop.'

Herb

Author: Bookemdono
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 2:37 pm
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I don't know who the "Agfhanis" are but, you're right, millions of Iraqis have been set free...set free from their homes...from their jobs...from their schools...from running water...from electricity...from the ability to walk across the street without fear of getting blown up.

Sounds like a bunch of freedoms they could do without.

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 2:41 pm
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Bumper sticker discussion for sure!

Does living in an islamic republic qualify as free? How about not having solid access to fundemental services both social and civil? Marked increase in sectarian violence? Oh, and let's consider the whole oil issue. Multi-nationals are drafting legislation for securing their access to Iraqi oil for the next 30 years. Wonder how much of the profit from that will actually go to the benefit of the Iraqi people, or will we see a situation similar to the one in Nigeria right now?

And then we can talk about our own personal Bush themed terrorist breeding ground. It's generating a lot of new terrorists every day you know. I'm sure that will contribute to the freedom as well.

The case for the poop percentage being high is solid.

Author: Nwokie
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 2:59 pm
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Thats why there are army, navy, Air Force audit agencies, defense audit, congressional audit agencies etc.

But you have to remember military officers aren't accountants, and they may complete a mission, but not get the paperwork exactly right, or a clerk up the cahain misfiles a report etc, and equipment moight not be accounted for.

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 3:17 pm
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Nwokie, I'm sure that's a factor, but not such a large one as too account for the amount of dollars we can't see any solid value from.

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 3:26 pm
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"solid value"

Bush's poop isn't all that solid -- its more like wet concrete -- making the mess even harder to clean up.

Author: Darktemper
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 4:00 pm
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ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS

Last Tuesday, as President Bush got off the helicopter in front of the White House, he was
Carrying a baby piglet under each arm.

The squared away Marine guard snaps to attention, salutes, and says: "Nice pigs, sir."

The President replies "These are not pigs. These are authentic Arkansas Razorback Hogs.

I got one for Senator Hillary Clinton and I got one for Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi."

The squared away Marine again snaps to attention, salutes, and says,

"Excellent trade, sir."

Author: Mrs_merkin
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 4:33 pm
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Dono,

God, how I've missed you!

Author: Littlesongs
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 4:41 pm
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The military does not waste money or equipment nearly as much as it has in the past. In part, because it has little to waste. Our troops have to purchase uniforms, armor and other basic necessities. Most of our ground forces are issued little more than a gun and a ride into battle.

Civilian contractors feed, clothe, and supply virtually all of our troops. Everywhere. Flat tire on an airplane? Call Raytheon. I am not kidding. I will always support our men and women in the armed forces, but I am not interested in lining pockets for any reason, however noble or just. With so many brave and capable men and women in uniform, our tax dollars should not be paying for mercenaries or overpriced dinners.

In places like Afghanistan and Iraq, once of course, they have dropped off another overpriced load of supplies, a few of the contractors also ship drugs, stolen goods and artifacts out of the country.

If we had only listened to Ike. Did you know he had the smallest defense budget of any 20th century President? As a retired General, he still had a realistic grasp of value for dollars -- even during the height of the cold war.

The shrub has been a gracious host for the money orgy long enough.

Author: Edselehr
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 6:00 pm
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The level of freedom is not the gauge by which to assess the quality of life in Iraq. In fact, having maximum freedom means that there are no rules and no government; this is often called anarchy.

The oppression of having too much government (Saddam) has been replaced with the oppression of not having enough government.

We need to be looking at liberty, and there is very little of that in Iraq right now. When there is too much freedom, liberty is lost. What Iraq needs and is still lacking are freedoms secured by the rule of law - this is liberty, and they are not there yet.

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 7:14 pm
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"If we had only listened to Ike."

We did. We're still flying B-52s.

Author: Skybill
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 7:50 pm
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Yes we are, but they are no where near the same B-52's that rolled off the assembly line almost 50 years ago.

A 50 year old war plane that is still (or more) effective than when it was new is a real testament to the engineers that designed it and the people that keep them flying.

Go BUFF!

Author: Littlesongs
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 9:13 pm
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The C-130, affectionately know as the "King" is stll in service and still the best transport around. Some of them on active duty are over 40 years old and still a vital part of the Air Force.

Of course, people have been around for tens of thousands of years and have never become obsolete as a weapon.

Author: Skybill
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 9:38 pm
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Yeah, the C-130 and all its variants are an awesome aircraft.

Did you ever see the Blue Angels C-130 support plane do its JATO take off?

I saw it several years back at the Hillsboro Air Show.

I've never seen a plane that big climb at an angle like that!

Author: Littlesongs
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 10:03 pm
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They really are majestic, as transports and gunships go. My brother and many other Air Force mechanics spent a lot of time fixing the C-130s with JATO after we hit Afghanistan. One could say that some of the pilots were a bit too confident in the short-field performance. Often they would rotate too soon, whack the tail on the ground and drag the feathers until they were airborne. Some of the doors would come it with over a foot of "gaposis" after that bonehead move. Unlike the computer generated plastic birdies they build today, these old crates just need some old-fashioned TLC and are ready to go back into battle. The C-130 did one thing that few aircraft -- civilian or military -- do anymore: It paid for itself by being useful.

Sadly, like the tragically pathetic B-1 bomber, the new "one-size-fits-all" VTOL fighter is going to kill a lot of really fine pilots before they scrap it. Thanks to the shrub for helping his buddies win the contract for yet another sleek widow maker.

Author: Brianl
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:06 pm
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Or the KC-135 tankers that they still fly around en masse.

The KC-135 is the military version of the Boeing 707, a plane that has been out of production for some 30+ years.

Author: Nwokie
Friday, February 02, 2007 - 12:47 pm
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B52's are still flying, F4's fly in a limited capacity, IE they are used as airborne targets.
U2's still fly.
The M2A2 50 cal machine gun, designed in WWI is still in use.
Army Special Ops and Marine Recons have gone back to the Colt .45 which was designed and implemented during the Philippino wars.


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