This is not intended as a political thread. No Dems vs. Republicans please. Carter has been out of office so long, his political affiliation is irrelevant.

There is more and more evidence that Carter is anti-Jewish. First of all, he recently sided with the Palestinians against Israel, causing several of his staff associates to resign. Now information has been leaked that in 1987 he attempted to intercede on behalf of a Nazi who had murdered a number of Jews.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119732

He certainly is causing a stir among former friends and colleagues. It's truly difficult to understand whether he is just disappointed in his own failure to bring a lasting solution to the Middle East or is just trying to generate ill will and then avoid debating about it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_woolner&sid=abTp PLG2KVpc

Without regard to any political party, those who are eager to have the tiny nation of Israel concede territory should be watched carefully.

The Israelis are outnumbered by 30 to 1 in the region, by those who only wish her harm.

Herb

Well, anyone speaking ill of Israel must be anti-semetic. Unless you support everything Israel does 100%, you must hate Jews, I guess.

Andrew

Andrew, that's not necessary. You're just trolling, something I know is beneath you.

The story I posted had to do with a Nazi SS officer and Jimmie Carter trying to get him leniency after being convicted of killing Jews. Why is questioning that supporting 100% of what Israel does?

I simply don't believe Jimmy Carter is the kind of man who hates Jews. Period. Further, there is a powerful pro-Israel lobby that will smear anyone that speaks out against it, and I think Carter is now the victim of this kind of campaign. Carter's comments are dangerous to them, considering his stature in the world and his history as a peacemaker in the Middle East.

I am not saying I agree with Carter's statements - I'm saying that he has the right to speak out against Israel if he chooses without being labeled an anti-semite and attacked.

But I see that instead of considering whether the story is biased at all (or even true), you simply ask for comment about its allegations - and just publishing allegations is in itself damaging enough (Have you stopped beating your wife?). But it was published by Arutz Sheva, "right-wing Israeli online media network identifying with Religious Zionism" according to Wikipedia.

Deane, admit it: your agenda is to attack Jimmy Carter and post any story that might smear him. You don't really want an honest consideration of whether the story is true (or misleading) or not. You simply like the idea of promoting Jimmy Carter as an anti-semite.

Until there is real evidence that Carter is anti-semetic, I'm not even going to dignify this story with further comment.

Andrew

Andrew, smearing Jimmie Carter is something I wouldn't care to waste my time on. Jimmie Carter is an ineffective old man who has lost it.

Gee, you wasted your time posting something negative about Carter (a link to a story you either didn't care to check out before you posted or didn't care if it was true or severely biased). So stop protesting that you don't care about Carter.

And you obviously haven't seen Carter interviewed lately - he sounds articulate and intelligent when he speaks, certainly more than the White House's current occupant does now. That doesn't mean Carter is right about everything. If he were "ineffective" no one would give a damn about what he said - but it has drawn a lot of attention.


Andrew

IMHO, this is a non-starter. Andrew nailed it.

I would add that it's awful easy to get labled for being critical of Isreal in any way. Carters comments are not without merit and that's the entire issue here.

"Andrew nailed it."

No, he didn't.

Without regard to Mr. Carter's views on 'semites,' Mr. Carter has been wrong and ineffectual plenty of times.

This is one guy who did a better job out of office than as the most powerful man in the world.

I respect Mr. Carter for his work with Habitat for Humanity.

Other than that, his presidency is generally accepted as marginal at best, a failure at worst.

Herb

In this:

"I am not saying I agree with Carter's statements - I'm saying that he has the right to speak out against Israel if he chooses without being labeled an anti-semite and attacked."

Andrew nailed it.

What I've seen so far is defensible critique.

"Mr. Carter has been wrong and ineffectual plenty of times."

Gee, I guess you two have something in common after all.

*Plonk!*

Nice ham-fisted, lily-livered, hand-wringing, ad-hominem attack.

But if that's all you've got and you wanna compare Ol' Herb with your pal, it's a free country.

Herb

Let's think about this, kids.

If Jimmy Carter was so damn anti-Semitic, would he have sat Israel down with Anwar Sadat and hammered out a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt, an act that probably ultimately got Sadat killed?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, Israel is outnumbered 30-1 in their region. Yes, the rest of the Arab world is pissed that the UN ripped most of Palestine and created a safe haven for Jewish folks after World War II.

Does that make it right for Israel to occupy Palestinian land, AGAINST UN SANCTIONS, and basically enslave the Palestinian people living in said occupied territories? Does that make it right for Israel to launch pre-emptive attacks here and there on its neighbors?

I am NOT anti-Semitic. I just don't see why so many people turn their backs to what is happening over there and scream, "Poor Israel!" This isn't a religion thing, it's a political thing.

Herb that last post of yours was a classic. Using everything in your arsenal all at the same time in machine gun repartee. I tip my cyber hat.

It sure worked for me!

You're too kind.

Humble Herb