Well based on what I am reading on the other thread, looks like a few good Portland voices are up in the air. 910 was not a good signal these days in many parts of the metro, and given how KHITS has taken off, I am not suprised. So, where should John WIlliams and Scott Tom end up?

Wonder about pairing one of them up with Dave McKay? Also either would be great mid-days on KHITS....John WIlliams would sound especially good on K103 Mid-days. So if you could waive your wand, where should they go?

What an insult, on Elvis' birthday.
They have been wiped from the web site allready.
Was there anything said on the air? I turned it off about 5, everything seemed normal at that time.

I was just listening to the stream. Apparently no humans are left in the building to delete the show promos from the system.

Apparently, Entercom is paying so much for Dr. Doug & Skippy on 97.1...they could no longer afford talent on 910.

So if you could waive your wand, where should they go?

How about to the unemployment line?

When the last round of de-reg hit in 1996, and something like 50 per cent of GM positions evaporated in two years, I wondered if it might be the worst time for radio unemployment ever.

Guess not. Wow. Last couple months have been ugly.

You think CC is bad? Entercom is baaaaaaad! We've all been eyewitnesses and earwitnesses to Entercom destroying KKSN/KISN just as the Minkler-driven numbers were solidly rising... just so they could hop on the stoooopid Charlie/Jack bandwagon (just an iPOD imitator). Now Entercom is gutting what remains of Portland's rock rado heritage.

I watched Entercom destroy the morning show on KMTT The Mountain a few weeks ago in Seattle. The reason? The bottom line: money.

The Portland market needs to hold a wake. For itself.

Anybody heard from Stone?

does anyone know if they will cut loose kslm in salem so that someone might be able to bring it back?

Check the Towers & Such thread.

R.I.P.

I guess that I will try to record as many episodes of The Time Machine Show as possible. I'm glad that I recorded the entire anniversary show last year.

Entercom hasn't become known as Enterscum for nothing.

It amazes me that the big media companies wonder why listeners are switching to iPods. They continue to give listeners fewer reasons to tune in. Cutting local personalities means severing that crucial connection to listeners. Killing KISN will further erode a shrinking listener base.

Look at the weekday programming page:
http://www.kisn910.com/programming.asp

I called Steve loid tonight, and asked to dedicate "Thanks for the memories" to John Williams, Scott tom and the Stoner, he said, he'd have to really think about before doing it.

I understand, he sounded on the phine just like the radio, but I thought he sound taller.

......Cutting local personalities means severing that crucial connection to listeners.....

Only us long time, loser, burned out, usta bees who are still living in the past believe that.

You can't make them believe that their watered down generic jockless presentations chased the listener to I. Pod............

Sorry Emperor... You have no clothes!

Nwokie: By doing a dedication like you mentioned above, listeners could falsely read into this, that K-Hits is secretly celebrating, which We Are Not.

This is truly a sad day for Portland radio.

What would Entercom do with 910 and 1390 if they change formats?
Sell to Bustos? :-OO

What about Jeff Williams, Trish the Dish, Jim Conway, Sky Spy's and perhaps others behind the curtains?

LIVE and LOCAL wins...This plan doesn't! Entercom has gutted the very essence of the most successful and natural chance to keep this station a going concern. Stick to this plan and the company may as well shut down the KISN transmitter all over again!

All the goodwill, the community connection, the personality the station exuded...blown up. Because Main street, or more appropriately Burnside or Bancroft can't hold a candle to the requirements of Wall Street.

Damn!

Some "service" to the community!

It doesn't have to be this way. But creativity is not valued on Wall Street unless it's relates to structuring a "deal" more in the company's favor...Meanwhile, the goose that provides the golden eggs has been butchered.

Consolidation leads to more diverse programming variety? Not from what I heard on my road trip from Arizona to Oregon and back again over the holidays...it's a lie! It's leading to a long slow demise of a once vibrant medium.

And it DIDN'T have to be this way...

Even sadder is the fact that Entercom Portland's Erin Huber, who has no previous radio experience has survived all the staff cutbacks, and firings of Portland's premiere radio personalities from her sorry company since she was hired. Thank goodness CBS had the smarts the hire the majority of them.

I am sorry to hear this. I've known John Williams for years and it's hard to see a class act like him having to go through yet another change. He understands the beast all too well and will land on his feet. I keep hearing John Lennon’s "Wheels go round and round" in my head.

Not trying to add insult to this but... the local ownership at the station my wife and I voice track for has been a real blessing through all the turmoil of Portland ownership. We are given plenty of room for creativity even though we voice track. It's one of the reasons I haven't set foot back in a local broadcast booth. I may some day but right now I get all my radio itches scratched and I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff. I know we could be out of gig eventually, however come March it will be 6 years doing mornings in one city. The longest gig I have had in radio. And I still love it!

Flame me with all your anti-voice tracking rhetoric I can take it. I'm thankful that I still get to play radio and now days it's without the BS.

...Flame me with all your anti-voice tracking rhetoric...
NO, you are the exception and put as much effort into your tracks as you would if you were live. MOST DON'T whether by choice, work load, or company directive.

AS for KISN, I ask this...
Was it profitable in it's own right?
Was the audience loyal?
Was the staff dedicated to delivering a quality presentation?
Did the station meet the needs of the listener?

If yes to all of the above, then it's demise is truly a loss for all, INCLUDING the company.

You reap what you sow... If listeners are drifting to other sources, then KISN and the countless other stations that have taken this route is a prime example as to why. Sad. Sad. Sad.

With deregulation, there comes a sense of responsibility and a level of self regulation. The corporate mindset breached both....

Greed took a kids hobby, sports cards, made a few pigs wealthy, and ruined it for everyone. The same might be said for the radio industry. Maybe not as a whole, but certainly large segments and heritage frequencies and call letters have been sacrificed to wring out one more dollar.

Resonable profits and social responsibility have given way to job losses across a wide range of industry, while a select few make obscene amounts of dollars that is no more than a score card to them. Devastate one segment and move on to loot the next. Barry Zito gets 120+ million to throw a baseball, while congress debates whether the average Joe deserves more than 5.15 an hour.

Drive thru Lansing Michigan, and parts of it look like some third world country. GM plans to move the Cobalt to Mexico to make money...local workers wonder how to pay the next bill, but I'm betting Top GM execs won't be having mac and cheese for dinner or worry about the light bill.

KISN is just a microcosm of what is going wrong.
We spend billions to build structures in far off lands, and help to develop jobs in the third world.... Maybe we need to take care of our own back yard, THEN if there is anything left over, lend a helping hand.

My best wishes to all of the professional broadcasters at KISN may this lead to bigger and better things for all of you.

Emerson and Co. are laughing right now...

nobody is listening to laughter...no listeners.
CBS will unload this dog with fleas soon. We will see a large number of under-performing AM's getting sold this year.

Radioboy 25,do you think the buyers will be smaller,more local concerns which will tend to program local? Or am I just too lost in the ozone?

"Even sadder is the fact that Entercom Portland's Erin Huber, who has no previous radio experience...."

Perhaps someone else can weigh in on this, but I believe Erin Hubert was in Portland Radio going back 20 or 25 years.

Herb

My prediction, is that in 25 years " AM" will stand for ALL MEXICAN

That only works when there aren't enough FMs.

Re: Erin Hubert. All I know is she gave me a courtesy call back regarding a job inquiry a couple of years ago. (So did Dennis Constantine, for that matter). Does everyone know how rare that is in our wonderful business?

And Roger, you are right on about parts of the midwest, including Lansing, MI, but also places like Toledo, Ohio and Rockford, Illinois. Very sad and disillusioning to see all the empty factories. However, all these places are booming with sparkling new Lowe's, Wal-Marts, and scores of fast food places! There's your future right there!

Erin worked at KCNR is sales when I was there back in the early to mid 80s.

Kissin' en Espanol? How do you spell "el besarse" starting with "K"?

Change the callsign to KBSO and brand the station "Beso 910." Actually, this is Spanish for "kiss;" KISSIN' would be "Besando," but that sounds a lot more awkward in Spanish. The Mexicans might not be completely successful in taking back the American Southwest, but they will "take back" the AM broadcast band! Hechale ganas, hermano!

I got "el besarse" from dictionary.com. I hope I didn't inadvertantly call anyone something offensive. Those last four letters, "arse" look suspect.

Who you calling an arse?

Who will need AM spanish when CC jazz station is going top 40 spanish?

"el besare" translates into "I will kiss him."

"'Scuse me while I kiss this guy."

Would KKBS work ?

Would KKBS work.......

probably no worse than anything else.....

el besare" translates into "I will kiss him."

I thought it translated to him I kiss.......

.....So did Dennis Constantine, for that matter). Does everyone know how rare that is in our wonderful business?
yes, me too for Dennis. Much appreciated. now for the list of schmucks who can't be bothered with a courtesy reply..........

too much band width to print!

KKBS, letters that spell manure in both spanish and english. I like it.

The above post says it all. For those not in the know, "KK" in Spanish is pronounced, "caca," which means poo-poo. Only Clear Channel could use such a callsign.

Are we sure we are not talking about KBKS (CBS's top40 in Seattle?) BTW, the closest thing to mainstream Top40 in the Seattle market.

Actually it's in Guymon OK and owned by MLS Communications. "The Boss." http://www.kkbs.com/

"The above post says it all. For those not in the know, "KK" in Spanish is pronounced, "caca," which means poo-poo."

This was the FCC's reasoning behind allowing KKHJ, Los Angeles to drop one of the K's and once again become KHJ as it had been up until 1986. KKHJ was a spanish station (and still is) so the "caca" excuse got the FCC to go along with their request. Who says the spanish speakers aren't taking over and/or being given special treatment?

Hey, I saw a post up there about Entercom busting up the KMTT morning show...anyone know where Mike West is off to?

KKPZ ran into the caca problem when they started to do their Spanish programming. Thus, in Spanish the station was identified by the monicker "Radio Vida," and an English legal ID was thrown in at the top of the hour.

they havent quite cleaned up their web site.
http://www.kisnam.com/showdj.asp?DJID=29594

"Join KISN Saturday, January 13th from 4pm to 6pm at the Expo Center for the 2007 Portland Boat Show. Children 12 and under will receive a free life jacket, while supplies last! While KISN is there, enter to win a guided fishing trip for two! Plus, spin the Swag Wheel for prizes from Music Millennium, McCormick & Schmick's, Chinook Winds Casino and Jiffy Lube!"

Who's going to be there from KKISN, a computer? the managers who canceled the DJ's?

Most likely someone from the Entercom Promotions Dept. will be there. That's my guess.

(from the little rascals.......)

Awwww razzberries!!!!!

This is marginally better than the format flip at Buffalo's WSJZ "Smooth Jazz 92.9" in the late 1990s. The format of that station flipped to "Alice" about two weeks before a scheduled listener appreciation event for the Smooth Jazz station. Somebody at corporate must have REEEEALY wanted to dump that format that they would do so after doing all the legwork for this promotional event (like booking a venue, hiring a caterer, etc.) The cancellation costs on the venue and catering would probably not have been too trivial, either. Or, how about "MAX 910," which dumped its format just a few days after Rick Emerson did a promotional event for the station?

""Join KISN Saturday, January 13th from 4pm to 6pm at the Expo Center for the 2007 Portland Boat Show. Children 12 and under will receive a free life jacket, while supplies last!"

Interesting. They are promoting something that isn't really anything. KISN has nothing to do with biving away life jackets. They have been giving them away everyday since the boat show started. They have 5000 of them. Any kid 12 and under can get one anytime there, with or without KISN. They did this last year, also. It is a private nonprofit that is doing it. At the west end of the north hall, next to the Marine Board. If they see a kid leaving without one, they ask you about it.

This is a non event for KISN.

........Author: 62kgw
Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 9:11 pm

What about Jeff Williams, Trish the Dish, Jim Conway, Sky Spy's and perhaps others behind the curtains?........

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

1 PM Saturday: The Lone Ranger

wow..cant believe they are letting him do this stuff

Yeah, and Stoner keeps dropping hints:
"Looks like someone at the radio station forgot to pay the phone bill."
"We're the only ones left here!"
"Hey, we're not outta here yet, Dirty Dave...It's hanging by a thread."

If Stoner gets axed too, for me that will be the ultimate end of Kisn. Dammit this sucks!

... played Supremes record Someday we'll be together at 6PM.

"...played Supremes record Someday we'll be together at 6PM."

Excerpt from "KVAN & KISN: The Originals" posted on November 10, 2001:

On September 1, 1976 the FCC denied KISN's request to stay on the air. The Kisn Air Staff that day: Chuck Webber, midnight-6; Don Wright, 6-10am, Bill Stevens, 10-3pm & PD; Dick Simms, 3-7pm (later aka Bwana Johnny) & David Stone 7-Midnight. With the FCC forcing the last show from the transmitter site, two dozen employees and well-wishers filled the transmitter studio. Dave "Record" Stone did the last air shift. At midnight the song "Someday We'll Be Together" by Diana Ross & The Supremes began to play. Dave announced: "At this time KISN leaves the air for an indefinite period of time. Goodnight from The Kisn Good Guys". In mid song, KISN was silenced at 12:01am September 2, 1976. KISN had 32 employees.

Looks like Stoner,in an earlier post,hinted at something he had in the works after 910 gets completly trashed..Can't wait

I happened to have an out of town non-radio guest driving in today...she stumbled onto 910 and absolutely loved Stoner's show. She heard the comments cited above and wondered what that's all about, so I explained. (She also wondered why the Beach Boys were singing about "woodies." Explained that too).

Peace, love to John, Scott, and Stoner. And woodies, too.

It sounds like Surf City by Jan & Dean. Am I missing one?

Maybe if K-hITS were smart, they would hire stoner and let him do a show. HMMMMMMMMMM!

Semoochie: John was making a joke. He explained what "Woodies" were to his friend. Or what "Woodies" used to mean!

I hope that this wasn't Stoner's last show because I missed it. Playing the Supremes at the end seems to suggest curtains, though. Darn!

From what Stoner said in a different thread, his being hired by "K-Hits" is not a possibility. Although that station is also oldies, its approach to the format and philosophy would not mesh with his show. In other words, if they were to bring him on board, they wouldn't let him do The Time Machine Show as it was done on KKSN-FM/AM.

If this was the last Time Machine Show, then perhaps a format change in imminent on 910--as in Monday?

Clarifications for those who missed the show: Several times yesterday he said that he does'nt know if they will be back next week, this could be the last show, like he really didn't know. He compared the uncertainty with 1976. At the beginning of the program, he said he was unsure if his key would work.

There was guest DJ at 4pm who won the slot at a recent charity auction. The guest DJ's name was Woody Woodcock (which cause a bunch of giggling in the background). Woody picked some excellent records to play however.

Yeah, Woody did very good. If Erin (or "corporate") was smart she'd (they'd) bring back the staff that got canned, keep Dave, Dirty Dave and Trish, AND give Woody Woodcock a show too!

More Portland radio history falling by the wayside. Maybe if we all sweettalk Stoner he can put some of this recorded Time Machine Shows on the net. All I know is for now my Saturdays will now have a six hour hole in them.

I listened to "Health Matters" this morning on KISN-AM with Paul Rosen. Trish the Dish was there and they were taking listener calls (so I assume they were still live).
Without the air talents of Scott & Jeff, John, and Dave (and others) KISN has taken on the personality of CHARLIE-FM. It's very sad.

The END is most certainly near.

The topic on Health Matters should have been something like, how to put a radio station to death.

They will probably bolw up KKSN altogether, and very soon. The current music is probably just filler until a new format takes over. I think there are too damn many stations now. We don't need 45 or so signals in this market. It dilutes the amount of listeners for any one station.

Are there any other formats (AM) that are on a growth curve besides Mexican?
Maybe they will put mexican on 92.3 and move kgon to 910?

The new female format will emerge. Its fems talking about loser husbands, bad sex, cheating, menopause etc. Thats my prediction for 910.

Who's going to drive the final nail into the coffin???

>>The new female format will emerge.

First they have to find some way of luring anyone under 45 over to the AM band. Female talk might be attractive to a sizeable untapped audience, but that audience will likely remain untapped unless the format can find a home on FM.

I hate to jump the gun or anything but this could be KPAM's big chance! If they're spending all this money anyway and already have Bob Miller, why not go Oldies?

Pamplin would get out of the RED by doing that.
Millers ratings would sky rocket with a music base around him & bring back the Kisn team.
Let Khits have the younger end and go 50's & 60's with PERSONALITY...and FUN. Thats where Khits blew it.

They also have Tom Parker.

50's and 60's could work on AM if there is live talent and perhaps duplicating what it sounded like at the time, except perhaps for running spots after every song or two. Most of everything post-1965 or so belongs on FM at this point.

Maybe Pamplin and Enterscum could swap licenses and save 91derful Kisn! Just a thought.

Inside the 60's and Goddard's Gold are not on this morning. Is that significant?

Stoner's on!!!

Stoner has another guest DJ on again, so I'm guessing Kisn is filling its obligation to "Kids Giving" and when that's done, so is DRS....Sad.

Was this the last guest DJ? That is the question.

I give the Stoner and the rest of his crew credit for continuing to put on a great show each Saturday despite the ugly situation Entercom put them in. I just hope that they find somewhere else to land on my radio.

Interesting co-incidence about the Big Bopper conspiracy discussion with Big Bopper Jr. this afternoon. That was also a topic on C2C last night.
Perhaps they will keep the Time machine show going until Feb 3rd, you know the day. They just announced there wil be a show next saturday.
[Today, I was thinking of request Stoner play songs that have to do with water, but I decided not to do that.]

A lot of goodbye songs in the last hour.

It would be fitting to have Stoner as the last live DJ on KISN just as he was when the original KISN went off the air in September of 1976. The last song he played was "Someday We'll Be Together" by the Supremes....
I'm staying tuned.....

In a posting above, 62Kgw reported that he played that last week. I'm staying tuned also... film at 11!

Thought "The Last DJ" by Tom Petty was a good ending tonight.

I heard from about 5:30 to six. A brief goodbye was done by Stoner at about 5:45, without much explaination. Most of the records then were on the subject of goodbye. Hello Goodbye, Never can say goodbye, etc. Also the song/jingle about portland kisn's home town. Right at six they were playing WOLD, I had to run, so I cant say what happened right after that.

Earlier in the show they did talk about the show next week, guest would/will be the owner of MM, but then they also talked about like it seemed this would be the last, since the place was being cleaned out and signs taken down and the other syndicated shows were not on. Of course that could all be some theatre of the mind.

With all due respect to the very talented Stoner, and the many others that have made KISN what it was...the radio world has been changing quickly for a number of decades now. The great Northwest Top40's are all gone. KJR, KOL, KISN, KGW, KING, KYTE (albeit a short time), they are part of our history. While I will continue to reminisce, and enjoy listening to the old airchecks, the fact of the matter is they are gone and will never come back in their former form. Sad? Of course. But, like many other businesses and technological forms of 30-40 years ago, time marches on. Perhaps a funeral of some sort is in order, but I'm not sure, except for a few, would attend.

The last song was Tom Petty's The Last DJ.

Then 5 seconds of dead air before automation was started, signaling a closing?

Paul Walker is correct. The world has changed. No longer are listeners excited by live DJs and the listening experience as it was some 30 years ago. For those who had their heyday back then, you can be sure those listening who worked in the industry some 30 years before you yearned for the return of live radio drama and orchestras. Their world too had changed. The radio personality isn't dead though. Today's most listened to and quoted names are those doing talk. Many of them were Djs, who reinvented themselves in time to adapt to the changes they knew were coming. Yes, we're all nostalgic for the old music radio days, tight boards, jingles, no dead air, and youthful enthusiasm. The audience has moved on. There's plenty of commercial free music to be found on the internet, plenty to buy on iTunes, and ever changing technologies to give instant gratification, instead of having to wait for it as we did not so many years ago. It's something radio veterans in the 40's and 50's must come to grips of. Maybe this topic should be changed to: it sucks getting old.

Exactly why TSL has been dropping. The creativity is gone. Listeners are bored by it all. For those who worked between 64-76 are very lucky to have had that time & worked with or copied the Bill Drakes & Buzz Bennetts & Paul Drews of the day. Today PD's are stuck looking at a computer screen, reading corp memos & too many meetings. In the hey-day PD's created great radio and let DJs have personality. Radio is dying.

Amradio- Good post. But I will disagree with getting old sucks. I don't have that kind of mind-set.

I am finding mid-life to be the best time of my life far and above my 20s and early 30s. I'm smarter, healthier and have really found my groove. I understand how to live a balanced life and wouldn't trade for my youth for any of it.

Chris, I was being facitious saying it sucks. My point is those who continue to succeed in this business (or any other) are those who reinvent themselves instead of yearning for a bygone era. Those who do, haven't just a pleasant memory of their "good old days". They have a happy present career as well.

I am glad RSB posted that alert yesterday; I caught most of the show. Quite a trip: Little Richard and the Shangri-Las to Bobby Goldsboro and Leonard Cohen. A fun party. (I first thought maybe Stoner played "Honey" just for laughs, but it actually fit.)

Omigod, a real deejayed show with PAMS jingles has become a new flavor of OTR.

It'll be Monday in a few hours. Some of you should start monitoring Kisn hour to hour starting at midnight. I don't know anything but have a feeling a format change is imminent......

will someone take the KISN name? I do not think entercom owns rights to it. They are KKSN legal calls. Could a station start calling themselves KISSIN???? Please weigh in on this.

Rumors in my world that Stoner is going to KXL?
Anyone know about this?

A quick check of radio-locator (assuming they are current) shows:

KISN-FM liscensed to Belgrade, Montana

KISN-AM open

How do you feel about KISN Vancouver 105.9? They even own the calls!

I'm listening to Metroscope on the stream now and just heard, "Metroscope is a presentation of 97.1 Kisn-FM, K-I-S-N."

The clock strikes 3:30 am and a spot plugging the web simulcast comes on with, "Hi, this is John Williams..."

The entercom "step child" radio station. They should be ashamed how the stripped that down and paid zero attention to it. Hope the Wolf & kgon keeps bringin in the cash because those are the only 2 strong reserves they have at this point.

Just sad when a viable station goes away.

"will someone take the KISN name? I do not think entercom owns rights to it. They are KKSN legal calls. Could a station start calling themselves KISSIN???? Please weigh in on this."

This is interesting, a friend of mine and I were talking about this very subject Saturday night. If KKSN-AM flips or goes dark, could another conglomorate (sp?) make an offer to buy those calls, or just adopt the nick/slogan? Hell, it seems that most (not all) of K-Hits on air staff are former Kisn FM jocks.

Anyway, in honor of Entercom killing Kisn we should all send management big jugs of water. Ok, perhaps that was uncalled for, but I still feel that all that has happened over there since April 22, 2005 didn't have to happen.

http://www.wweek.com/wwire/?p=6927

Is there a good way to find out if a radio station is for sale? Like is there a web site that has the for sale listings? or is it more like a word of mouth, insiders only private marketplace?

I listened to KISN for a few minutes yesterday, some great music, but after awhile, it just sounded empty, 60's rock was meant to be played by a DJ, and hear the commentary, otherwise its just a big IPOD!

Amen, Nwokie! I tune in ocassionally, but I often don't stick around for long because there's just something missing.

Perhaps, "Amradio" is correct in that people--especially younger audiences who didn't grow up with personality music radio--are coming to expect or maybe even desire radio to be a jukebox that plays background music. Many other things have become highly automated over the last 30 years as well, so why should radio be any different? However, that's setting the bar pretty damn low. I could easily take an MP3 player or a computer with automation software (like the open-source CampCaster program) and create something myself that would be hard to distinguish from the rest of what passes for music radio today. The only difference would be that I wouldn't have commercials.

As an aside, Clear Channel is selling their Bozeman MT cluster, including KISN Belgrade, to Blue Point Media.

Clear Channel owns the KISN calls. They could easily change one of their Portland stations to KISN. I don't think they will unless they use it as part of the "Kiss" identity. If that's the case, it's likely to be KKRZ but I think the time has come and gone for Z100 to be blown up. Another possibility would have KIJZ literally becoming KISN, just to shake things up for a brief time. I don't think that will happen either. At this point, I have no idea if KISN is even going away. All we know is that all the live shows are being or will be canned. It might be worth it to keep them on format just for bonus spots.

As another aside, I thought the Centralia group was also on the block. Anyone made an offer on those? Seems like NNW would be a likely candidate.

A friend of mine that knows someone at KXL mentioned that they are producing promos for the Stoner.... a weekend talk-entertainment show. From the promos it sounds very different compared
to the norm. Can anybody confirm this?...Stoner is not talkin!

I'm not too surprised about the prospect of Stoner doing a talk show on KXL and wish him well. After all, wasn't Stoner moonlighting as "Dave Stone" on 620 a few years ago? I can't remember if the call letters were KEWS or KDBZ at the time.

I think that was a different "dave stone" on 620, and/or perhaps on 750 before that.
The (actual) Stoner has slipped in a few talk show type commentaries, recent example being about banning cigars from golf courses.
The Stoner (under his other name) has been mentioned on the Lars show many times as an expert in the subject of downtown portland business environment.
Would a "talk-entertainment show" include possibly playing some records?

You might want to check out Mark Simone's show on WABC out of New York 6 p.m. - 10 p.m. EST on Saturday nights for a way to incorporate oldies into another format. Simone plays olides, but he also plays old WABC jingles, takes calls and usually has a guest or two in the studio. You can catch it online at www.wabcradio.com.

Since I do not have a vast knowledge of radio history, I did not know that WABC was an AM Rock Station before it went all talk. As a listener, I have found his show to be very entertaining.

Anyhow, it would be great if a Portland station would do something similar to this for format.

This is the format I have always wanted to try.
Starting in mid Feb on KXL. This will be more entertainment based than hard news with "strange" news thrown in, a man on the street feature, off beat guests. I really feel the hand writing is on the wall for my era of Top 40 radio-style. Entercom made many mistakes along the way, but I want to thank them for giving me the FREEDOM to put on shows without a computer, play-list & allowed us to do some fun features. Bob Harlow had the vision for the show, Minckler was terrific! Dirty Dave & Trish will also be part of the new show that we are building up the hill. To all the young PD's & Vets out there...Let your jocks have some freedom, with that spills fun out of the radio.
Get away from that computer screen showing percentages & numbers...& start throwing some s.h at the wall. Stay LIVE-LOCAL and fight Wall St for that. Rock On.

Right on! And good luck with the KXL gig.

What day/time of day will it be on?

Sundays 4-6 pm starting Feb 11th.

Dave "Records" Stone,
Thanks for all the great music shows you guys did at KISN over the years. I will miss the Forgotton Oldies Shows the most. Good luck on your new adventure.

"To all the young PD's & Vets out there...Let your jocks have some freedom, with that spills fun out of the radio.
Get away from that computer screen showing percentages & numbers...& start throwing some s.h at the wall. Stay LIVE-LOCAL and fight Wall St for that. Rock On."

Too many of us have been thrown out. The decision makers figure those on the out must be out for a reason. (The rest is too wordy and preaching to the choir) Good luck to you. What a fun run you had, INDEED!

It's not that management is being mean or uncaring to the veteran DJ's. There simply isn't a market for the same type of radio made famous by pros like Stoner many years ago.

I'm gonna miss the TIME MACHINE big time!! Not only as a listener but because I got to be a guest quite a few times as Mr. Beatle and Mr. Monkee!! Stoner and Dirty Dave and Trish the Dish were wonderful. It was like a party of controlled chaos!! My favorite part was watching them in a clinch when something went wrong. They had SO much fun in there every week. I was always honored to be a part of it. Dirty Dave is amazing at getting things together at the last possible second before there's any chance for dead air. Thanks you guys for keeping the days of true "flying by the seat of your pants" radio going for as long as humanly possible. I've got the airchecks from the shows I was on to listen to forever. I was hoping for a couple more Saturday's but so it goes.....as George Harrison so wisely said.."All Things Must Pass".

oh thats why they canned Scott Tom & Johnny Williams like cold ice. What radio planet are you living on AM RADIO? They should just turn that 910 off.

LIFE IS LIKE A ROLL OF TOILET PAPER...AS IT GETS DOWN TO THE END THE FASTER IT GOES. NOTHING LASTS FOREVER. THE KISN BRAND HAS PASSED AWAY.
LET IT REST IN PEACE. SITTING ON MY DESK ARE A STACK OF AIRCHECKS FROM 59 TO 69 (NOW ON CD)
NOTHING EVER WILL REPLACE THE SOUND & ENERGY.
NOTHING

Truer words were never spoken.

Amen!

Stoner I just want to say that I enjoyed what little Id catch. I Have a lot of fond memories of the kisn years and while you and others rekindle memories of KISN DAYS and early am top 40, I realize at 56 how fast life goes and that nothing lasts forever. While it's fun to remember yesteryear, to me I want to go with on with the present. Ive had some recent problems and losses that of course I didn't have some 40 plus yrs ago. But I wouldn't want to go back. Im a different guy now then in 1960. You chris, Paul and others on here have said it too.Thanks to everyone who has entertained me during 45 years of radio listening for me. I hope radio gets better in this the 21century The best to your new project.

Talk is a very tough medium. This will be interesting.

Dave, I've admired your work, but I admire your attitude even more. Go get 'em!

Goddard was on. Stoner isn't, despite his picture on the website.

It's a shame, I'll really miss listening to the Time Machine show.

Saturday afternoons won't be the same.

Happy trails, Stoner! I'll miss The Time Machine and Forgotten Oldies!

Dave, Dirty Dave and Trish had one hell of a run and did one hell of a show!

I'm a little hazy about what's going on here: Last week, most of the syndication was gone but this week, it all seems to have returned and Stoner's gone! I've also heard some promos I don't recognize.

Like Craig said,,,,we'll wake up very soon and KISN will be completely gone. Stay tuned.

If they really change format, my guess is February 1st. That would give them a chance to stunt or introduce into the weekend and be in position the following Monday. What could they possibly do that would succeed any better? The signal isn't really all that competitive anymore.

Rumor has it there was a sale. It fell through due to the land being sold where the tower is off Marine Dr. That puts the sellers & buyers in a bad spot. The original owner of Kisn (his family) still owns the dirt where the transmitter is & tower. Imagine re-locating that.
So the auto-drive will continue for a while. The cost involved of engineer studies-lawyers-land-approval will be a nightmare. That whole area is going to be developed with Homes-Senior care-shopping etc. Kisn is a ghost radio station.

Homes - Senior Care, in an industrial Zone?
Also in flight path.
Ownership?
Check this again please.

Burdens Daughters do own that property. Entercom pays them rent for the land lease. I do know that!

Ikea & a major mall will also be in the flight path. A city is being built on the fringe of the runway!

Anybody know if there is/was a big For Sale / For Lease sign up there?

why doesn't Dirty Dave and Trish Move over to K-hits????

Stoner wrote: "Ikea & a major mall will also be in the flight path. A city is being built on the fringe of the runway!"

I'd be willing to bet that within a year or so someone will be bitching about the airplane noise!

106.7 won't give Stoner & Company the artistic freedom to do a show like The Time Machine/Forgotten Oldies. Stoner said so himself elsewhere on this board.

Who knows? He might just nail his KXL gig.

I will be listening with interest.

WOW! I hope the rumor is not true about the kisn transmitter site having to be moved. If this turns out to be fact, there could be real problems trying to duplicate the coverage, being directional day & night.

KAAR 1480 tried to duplicate the 910 coverage being directional nights and had dubious results. You wouldn't want to move the 910 site too far from where it is currently (4617 N.E. 158th Ave).

Trouble is, when the site went into operation October 1, 1966, it was a different time. You could build on many more sites than you can today. Plus neighbors can start opposition more easily now.

I can't think of a better example of this, than what happened a few years ago with KPDQ 800 AM when they wanted to just add on to their current site at Vermont Court.

If somebody has it declared an open space wetland and bird migrating rest area, then maybe it can't be redeveloped?

On the other hand, maybe they can move in with 1080 and up the power?

Could skyrocketing land values in major metro areas be the biggest threat to AM as we know it,even among all those other threats out there? Do any of you who are actually in THE BIZ have any thoughts on this?

Craig, I really enjoyed your show last night.

My understanding is that the engineering work at the facility -- including the recent tower reinforcement and lighting upgrade -- is based on a timetable. I have heard that it will not be moving far, but to a location that has little use beyond being a bog with an antenna array.

If anyone is curious about land values, take a look at the first of two listings for Northeast 158th Avenue & Airport Way. http://www.gvakm.com/property/summaries/PDX_Land.pdf

There were realty signs posted at Kisn Field over a year ago.

Those NIMBYs are a powerful group. They couldn't even increase power from the same site with no changes to the towers! If they're going to move, I vote for the KXL site with 50kw. Anything more about switching to 920?

"Anything more about switching to 920?"
What about 920 in Albany? Wouldn't that be a problem? Plus, who are they protecting to the east?

Someone mentioned KISN taking over the 920 frequency. KSHO would either move or go off the air. Are you asking about 910 protecting to the east? They may be protecting someone, particularly at night but I think the reason is to send more signal to the west and adequately cover their city of license which worked just fine 40 years ago.

Kisn is dead, let it go!

In this particular case, I was just talking about the physical facility. I presume it will continue in some form. 30 years ago, I would have had as a suffix, "long after we're all gone", but am not so sure anymore.

Craig Adams sounds great because he has a LOVE & PASSION for the music.

And...REAL RADIO

Semoochie,
I guess I was not specific. The 920 Lebanon station has a western pattern. I meant, who are they protecting? KISN on 920 would have to protect them, also, I would assume. If they want to move to 920, then they should move their transmitter out to Gresham/Sandy with that pattern to cover Portland.

Just my guess.

Thanks Guys! Sunday was quite a night. I talked a caller out of committing suicide.

I don't think this has ever been brought up on the board before. A lot of listeners look up to DJ's and when they're at wits end, will call us. This is the 2nd time I've done this. The last time was in 1993-94. It sure makes you feel good you made a difference.

Wow!

What an experience huh? Good on you for doing that. It must not be easy and plenty scary!

Sorry if this is morbid, but I've gotta ask a coupla questions:

-how long was the conversation?

-did they call you at random, or identify with you somehow?

-what if you are at a key part of the exchange that makes a difference and must choose between continuing to entertain the call, or meet the demands of the broadcast?

(If it's too morbid, just forget I posted.)

Wowsa....thats a major tip of the hat to Craig....

I'm just speculating here but I would say that KSHO's primary protection is KISN(when it was 1kw nondirectional)and they need to be not omnidirectional to avoid spilling onto them. At night, they seem to also be protecting Spokane and this certainly makes sense. The southeast null appears to go right through Bend and that should afford some protection to Reno. On the other hand, it could just be there because it's a 2 tower array and the other null has to go somewhere. Another possibility is that they just wanted to send as much signal into the populated area as they could. It doesn't look like they're protecting either Olympia or Seattle when the latter was on 910.

He called for a request at first. Then called back when I sounded so friendly. The call lasted about 45 minutes. Everything he touch upon, I had experienced myself, so I felt I could talk about his problems with some insight.

He found our number in the phone book and was surprised anyone answered at first. It was just fate that he got to me. I knew he was feeling down and he had said he had tried before to commit suicide but I didn't know until the end of the call that he was going to try it again that night. By the end of our conversation he was laughing! He was not looking at his life the right way and needed to be turned around.

He looked up to me, so I used that to bring home my points. This whole thing didn't interrupt my broadcast in the least. He was getting off on hearing me on the radio and on the phone at the same time and was actuality feeding me to do my best on air work.

Craig, awesome job!

This call was made easier since HE didn't let me know until the end, he was thinking about suicide that night. All I thought I was doing was changing his thinking before the next time.

The first time this happened to me was back at the old Kisn-FM studios on Macadam (now K103). I was working the 10pm to 4am shift. I can't remember why the caller wanted to commit suicide but it took a long time. I remember getting off the air at 4am and continuing for about another hour in the production room before I convinced her.

I guess this falls under radio public service. Can't help but think of all the calls for help, un-answered at automated stations.

Craig, you are a good man. It would be a different world if more people could naturally feel that level of compassion toward one another. It never showed on the air that you were handling a crisis.

(On a lighter note, I'm sure every once in a while you get someone like Pat L**m*n who won't stay off your switchboard. Anybody else remember that frustrating kid in the early 90s?)

To continue hammering the live and local theme of this thread: Was it a coincidence that a nasty snowstorm hit Portland within a week of KISN going completely to auto-pilot?

Isn't the best radio still an upbeat friend with a stack of records who keeps you company? How many jobs and marriages are saved every day by a corny joke on the air that breaks the tension? Weren't we all young and bummed out at some point and found solace in the airwaves?

When your upbeat friend and his music disappears, all the weather information, breaking news and other stuff that you used to just take for granted is gone as well. It isn't just lonesome shut-ins, the blind, truckers or cabbies who suffer. No member of the community is served better by automation.

Radio, like most 20th century magic, is based on the intangible results of hard work by human beings. It simply can't be done well any other way. I know, I am a wide-eyed optimist preaching to the choir. I do appreciate your indulgence.

Dave, you nailed it. I miss those Saturdays. I'm looking forward to the new show. Between you and the resurgent Blazers, I'll be spending some time with 750.

Was it the Dj's from Entercoms Sacramento station?

They (sacremento, or marconic, or bubby the sponge, etc) might have put the caller on the air and yukyukyuk'ed it, push all of the "your life is miserable" buttons, and give him the "encouragement" to actually do it.

Wow! Years ago, when I started doing college radio (before a commercial modern rock station came on the scene and took away most of our listeners), we would ocassionally get calls in the studio from lonely people--primarily women. I don't think that we ever had anything as serious as a potential suicide, but for some reason, they see a special celebrity-like quality in the person whose voice is on the radio, even if the radio peronality is not famous. I believe that they get some psychological satisfaction out of having a conversation with the person on the radio.

HEARD KISN WAS SOLD TODAY & IS GOING DARK

it goes off the air tonight at midnight

what?

http://www.kisn910.com/ could not be found.

Quick! Please send The Stoner out to the 910 transmitter tonite with that Supremes 45.

SALEM BOUGHT IT

Anyone know what format it has planned for 910/1390? Another religious station?

My bet. They move the right wing talk to 910. fm Goes real oldies and kicks k-hits ass

Interesting. I wonder if they would keep the KISN moniker if they brought oldies back to FM.

I heard a rumbling that Entercom might hold on to 1390.

Kisn audio still on:
mms://wmc1.liquidviewer.net/KISN

Entercom is going to put the Fan on 1390 @
Midnight tonight Simulcast with 1080

"KKSN" is listed at Radio and Records as:
KKSN-AM|Entercom|Talk|0.9|1.5|1.3|1.2|1.0

Its been listed that way for quite awhile...

Tomorrow marks 19.5 years of KISN as an Oldies station beginning August 1, 1987. So, it's 4 hours and counting.

Semoochie: August 1, 1987? Do you know that as fact? I've never been able to track down the oldies switch date. This date would have been a Saturday.

It's been a long time but it seems to me I read of the start date in R&R before the fact. I'm as positive as I can be without having the information printed in front of me but then again, I was even more certain that KGON began its Rock format on April 1, 1974. I can say that KKSN-FM began the format shortly before Valentines Day 1988. I just happened to be listening to the AM in the middle of the night when they announced the change. Talk about a surprise!

9:15pm the KISN AM website is gone....now says "Site Under Construction..."

Are you talking about when KKSN oldies format began on 910 in 1987? or when it also appeared on FM shortly thereafter.
I am very sure the AM switched to oldies in the summertime (198?), because I took evening summertime walks and listened to Mark Richards (?) with his game shows and oldies. They added FM simulcast a few weeks(?)later I think.

The "kkisn valentines day reunion" special was on FM for sure (I have tape of some of it). Was there another one the following year too?

62kgw: The August 1, 1987 date is when KKSN 910 switched from a satellite popular music format to oldies. Simulcasting with KKSN-FM began on February 6, 1988 at 2am. KKSN-FM was KKLI (k-Lite) up to that point, broadcasting an A.C. format.

I'm recording the last hour just like I did in 1976. Only difference. There's no blood flowing.....

For those watching the morbid play by play, at this point, http://www.kisnfm.com/ and http://kksn-am.fimc.net/ still feature the old site and continue to update songs.

Hello, Goodbye
Goodbye Cruel World
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

I detect a pattern here.

"Rock & Roll is Here to Stay"?

"American Pie" (The day the music died!)

if these songs, including Na Na Hey Hey, on now, isnt the death knell of a radio station, i dont know what is...curious ears listen on

This is definatly not "random" oldies.
Who is the person behind the curtains that we are not supposed to pay attention to?
Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye.
Its the end of the world.
This could be the last time!

I've heard that R2-D2 has friends in automation. Still, I'm not sure his protocols include Floyd Cramer. I think we have a real human to thank somewhere in there and that is really what KISN was all about.

I've heard it's Bonnie Knox. If so good choices Bonnie!

"And now, another hour of Kisn Oldies"
into "She's Gone."

This has got to be it.....Someday we'll be together!

Somebody should take a bow when the dust settles.

Nice! That was really a good touch! So long old friend.

talk radio on 91

At least the song got to finish this time, but only a few people on a message board to hear it.

Good choice to end with the aircheck.

Nice Picks Bonnie The Stoners 1976 End Was A Nice Touch

I need a beer and a cigarette. The oldies faded to silence, and then KTRO faded in. The first program that is plaing on the new Salem 910 is an infomercial. Bwwaaaah!

Now that KTRO is on 910, the question remains, will 93.1 be flipping?

I can't hear KSLM 1390. Someone report if its simulcasting "The Fan" as stated above?

Yes, KSLM is simulcasting "The Fan" now. I also think it was a nice touch to end things with the Stoner's goodbye in '76. I heard the end of KISN driving past a cemetery in Salem. A spooky way to say goodbye. : )

Seems to be "The Fan" on 1390.

I don't think this is Rock and Roll Heaven.

again the stoner was the last live jock on kisn 91 our last show was 1-20-07 last song played was the last DJ tom petty and then five seconds of dead air R.I.P.

I tuned into The Fan to see if they mentioned anything about a simulcast and they were interviewing Cindy Margolis! Goodbye, KISN. After 47 years and 9 months, I hardly knew ye. KISN 1959-2007

Bonnie Knox has been doing the KISN music logs for the last 3 weeks.

Entercom-Portland Director of Engineering Gary Hilliard got the OK for us engineers to play whatever we wanted from the KISN library during the last hour while we got ready for the switch.

The Floyd Cramer song was "Last Date."

Dylan Berichon had a copy of the KISN sign off, and edited it for us to play.

Well, there goes the station I listened to the most for music. I don't stay on KHITS very long when I land there. Don't care for a lot of what they play.
My period of music tends to be mid 50's to mid 60's as the main time period and then a little from each of the succeeding years.

I still have all my DJ copy 45's and LP's though.

Kent: When I heard The Supremes starting early before the top of the hour, my first thought was, alright they're going to do something at the end and not fade out.

The air check was a nice touch!

I'm glad someone took the curtain call. Gary, Bonnie and Kent, that was really a nice send off. Dylan, thanks for giving them a chance to have Dave say goodbye again. It was a perfectly bittersweet finish.

Littlesongs,

You're welcome.

I thought that playing that aircheck would be appropriate. I sure hope Stoner didn't mind! (I'm sure he didn't.)

Now it's time to find another AM preset for my old car radio.

Your move, KPAM.

OH BOY, another "THE FAN" That will pull a great base of listeners, especially on the simulcast!

That is BAD Radio.

Wow, I didn't stay up to listen to it live but I recorded it and just listened to it. I'm not familiar with Bonnie but if she was in charge of the last hour play list, thank you for putting back a bit of emotion into radio even though there was no "body" there. I was listening the first time in 76 when Stoner signed off and it was a very eerie and sad moment in time for those of us that were a part of the original KISN. To hear that again was very weird and sad again. But a great tribute to a local legend. I just can't see how another talk format show is going to be more profitable than a music format that no other station is touching. Oh well, it should be interesting to see what happens now with the "oldies" format.

I'm GLAD Entercom sold KKSN-AM to Salem!
I'm VERY GLAD it wasn't offered to Bustos or another Spanish broadcaster!

Portland Radio Streams
http://h1.ripway.com/radio4usa

"when KKSN 910 switched from a satellite popular music format to oldies"....
Could the satellite music format have included local DJ's? I seem to remember one or more announcers carrying on for a short time after the switchover. Cant remember any names however.

Dbericon, or anyone, what exactly was edited out of the 1976 tape?

I edited out where Stoner said that KISN was leaving the air "By order of the Federal Communications Commision" because the FCC had nothing to do with KISN signing off this time.

KKSN had recently purchased the FM and sometime later, went into bankruptcy. Both stations went to some kind of automation. I think they were both satellite. After a time, KKSN returned with live, local jocks and Oldies.

I put in several years doing the music for KISN with Bob Harlow so I wish I could take credit for the last hour. I was busy doing KGON's "A to Z" and then I went on vacation. Although I had done the music for the day Kent Randles is the one to thank for the great last hour send off. Great job!

So far KTRO has been a waste of space on the FM side. Anyone that might tune into 910 can now fall asleep as they do on 93.1

R.I.P. Kisn. Thanks for the memories.

Although I'm really sad that "KISN" had to die again, would like to thank Dylan, Kent, the Stoner and anybody else involved for doing the signoff with class. As "She's Gone" and "Some Day We'll Be Together" were playing, I had a strong hunch that I would hear Dave's voice before "KISN" was gone; it just seemed appropriate.

On a slightly morbid radio note, are there any recordings on line of the final signoff of the other stations that Don Burden's company owned, like KOIL AM/FM?

I was wondering the same thing about sign-ons.

Herb

Rsb569, be honest. The real reason you think KTRO is boring is because the talkshow format is CONSERVATIVE.

IS KPOJ just as boring?

Alfredo: In the Kisn studio at the end were Kent, Dylan and Steve Taylor.

Semoochie: KKSN 910 never went into automation during Chapter 11. We were always live through the Bankruptcy, which was filed on December 16, 1987. KKLI 97.1 (K-Lite) switched its A.C. programming to Transtar's "Format 41" on June 4, 1987. However Mornings & Afternoons continued live with Tom Parker & Bill Jackson.

Wonder how many more days until KKSN calls are changed to KTRO?

"In the Kisn studio at the end were Kent, Dylan and Steve Taylor."

Thank you for giving KISN a dignified sign-off.

R.I.P. KISN

>>>>>>Goodbye, KISN. After 47 years and 9 months, I hardly knew ye. KISN 1959-2007<<<<<<<

KISN died on that September night in 1976. Everything from "Brave New Radio" in 1980 until the oldies format in 2007 was simply different formats on 910AM.....not the KISN we grew up with.

"Rsb569, be honest. The real reason you think KTRO is boring is because the talkshow format is CONSERVATIVE.
IS KPOJ just as boring?"

Yes, to me KPOJ is just a dull as KTRO. Thus I rarely listen to either one.

Finally!

My station rocks!
http://216.69.181.171:26810/

I wasn't aware of the actual filing date. Maybe, they went to automation to save money before filing for bankruptcy but I remember a satellite feed on both stations and was surprised that KKSN not only went Oldies but also switched back to live programming. At the moment, I can't remember what the format was. Was it the first go round for AM Only?

KSLM (1390 AM) in Salem is now broadcasting KFXX.

"Was it the first go round for AM Only"

I'm not sure I understand the question.

KKSN switched from Classical music to a satellite popular music format on June 4, 1987.

State Income Tax Lien for $9,701.07 on April 27, 1987.

They had AM Only twice. The second time was Sunny 910/1520. The first time, there was already a successful Nostalgia outlet(KYTE, I think)and it bombed. I thought it was before that but I can't remember anything else between Classical and Oldies. Tell me if this is the right order: Brave New Radio, Star Station, Classical, AM Only, Oldies, AM Only/Adult Standards. Am I missing anything?

I think I'm still not understanding what you mean. Looks like the right order.

Brave New Radio & Classical were also AM only.

Craig - "AM Only" was the syndicator's name for the format, which they limited at one time to AM affiliates. I'm having a premature "senior moment" and can't remember the name of the syndicator! They changed the name of the format to something else, and AFAIK removed any restriction on placing it on an FM affiliate. KOY down here has used the service outside of a live morning drive for most of the 15 years I've been in the desert...

That's right! I'm thinking of Westwood One. They later changed the name to Adult Standards, which is why I listed it the second time with a "/". I believe they recently changed the name again to Dial Global.

Mark Andrews, Did you used to work at a radio station in St. Louis?

Nope, Skybill...Only passed through the St. Louis airport while catching a connecting flight from Portland to Nashville a couple of times!

I do some freelance work for a Scottsdale company that provides phone messages on hold for several companies in the greater St. Louis area, though...

THAT sounds right, Semoochie...Westwood One. Now I can sleep easy tonight...thanks!

(I've given up trying to keep up with all these name changes!)

Ahh! "AM Only" is a syndication name. I've not heard of that one.

Syndication wise my data shows KKSN switched from a Diversified format to SMN's "Country Coast to Coast" format on August 27, 1981 but had changed to Classical by Spring 1982.

Satellite Music Network wasn't Country but rather AC, Star Station. If KKSN was ever Country, I must have taken a nap that day. Let's see if we can name all the Country stations: KWJJ, KRDR, KGAR, KLIQ FM, KKEY, KPOK, KGAR/KVAN, KLLB, KYTE, KJIB, KUPL AM 1330-FM, KWJJ-FM, KUIK, KUPL 970.

Add: KWRC/KWBY, KMCM, KVAN 910 & 1480, KWAY.

Oh & KGUY.

Semoochie, Satellite Music Network had several formats including country, oldies, AC, hot AC and others.

At least there are still oldies on 1450 during some parts of the day (AM stereo and plenty of treble). How is that signal for you people outside of portland?

KBPS's signal is no where near what KISN's was.

Still, for what it is, (a very low power station) it has decent range. I've heard it clearly in Stereo as far away as the city of Sandy.

FYI...we run oldies from 2am-6am and from 3pm-5pm Mon-Fri...also 2am-noon Sat & Sun. KPSU broadcasts 5pm-2am M-F and Noon-2am Sat & Sun.
We just installed a new Omnia audio processor and are still "tweeking" it in. I'd be curious to hear any comments on how it sounds. Thanks!

BillCooper:
Thanks for the clarifications about what hours are oldies.
Can you tell us the bass and treble settings? Or is that a trade secret? Thought perhaps since its a public owned, maybe you can disclosed that?

i get AM oldies all day on Klyc! :-)

KBPS also runs oldies from 2:00am - Noon on weekends, save for City Club on Saturdays at 9:00am.

Our chief engineer, Larry Holtz, has been adjusting the processing over the past week. I'm not the techincal one. I have no idea what the settings are. Sorry. I just know that Larry has us sounding pretty good!

Rockaholics Anonymous is there every Monday afternoon at 3:00pm on KBOO. Uncle Mort is Portland's grooviest Tri-Met driver and often taps into some of the rarest vinyl in the region.

I never dreamed that 1450 would ever be in stereo. Hats off to Larry!

AM-1450 KBPS has been in Stereo for years. BTW...I've said it before on this board and I'll say it again. Unless mandated by the FCC KBPS will NEVER go HD. The AM HD system sucks (thats a technical term!) and I will NEVER pay the extortion that Ibiquity demands!

Remember folks, about 15 percent of all cars on the road today have an AM Stereo receiver.

Hats off to Larry? KVAN 910 was basically before my time and I didn't know if Country was ever their fulltime format. I didn't mention the other stations because they were outside of the metro area. I didn't mention the big FMs in the valley either.

KBPS-AM began broadcasting in AM Stereo on November 28th of 2003. (Wow, was it really that long ago?)

The KISN soga amazes me to no end. Since its start til about summer of 64 was the period I listened having lived in Ptown then. A friend told me after KISN signed off and moved out of 10th&Burnside it was a welfare office? Thats got to be weird not to see a jock in the window but office workers Tell me about Brave New Radio. Never heard it but Bob Simmons from the old ksan was in charge. When he was asked about it he said it was a disaster. This was on a website about the old KSAN JIVE95. Also kisn's classical stint would be interesting for me to hear about. How long did that last?

Tell me about 910'S classical music stint the radio on air folks I'd never heard it. Brave New Radio was an attempt I'd guess a puting FM underground on AM. Never heard that either. In the early 70's in Sacremento there was Candy KNDE 1470 aka kxoa it flopped.I heard that one. A friend told that KISN'S old studio became a welfare office? That must have been a weird feeling to see welfare workers in the window and no jocks

great aircheck on www.reelradio.com of Star Stations WIFE in Indianapolis. Reb Foster is on the aircheck (later managed Three Dog Night)
Scott Wheeler (later at WABC under a different handle). Rock of Indie!

And after 1470 KNDE Sacramento died in the fall of 1978, the new owners tried AOR on 1470 as AM14 for a year, too.

I had nothing to do with Entercom's decision to switch KISN from FM to AM, yet it generated a half a dozen emails from frantic listeners to my inbox. After Entercom sold the station recently, it seems couple dozen people and counting have emailed me wondering where on the dial they can find KISN?

(program directors take note!)

When 910 returned to the airwaves in 1980, its first foray as KKSN was Brave New Radio, a progressive, free-form, mostly album based rock format. It did fairly well for an AM station today but 27 years ago, not so well. After some period of time, they switched to the satellite fed AC Star Station, which didn't do as well. Satellite formats were new and it may have just been too early. Soonafter, they went Classical for several years and had some success. That came to a crashing end when KYTE-FM changed to Classical and was very successful, a 5.3 share at one point, the best in the country! Incidentally, Brian Thomas has the distinction of going from mornings on Classical KKSN to CHRs KMJK and then Z100!

"KBPS-AM began broadcasting in AM Stereo on November 28th of 2003."

Forgive my tardy enthusiasm, I don't own an AM stereo receiver. I am always happy to hear that KBPS is doing upgrades. Thanks Bill. I remember when the transmitter helped keep us warm all winter. I was there in the days of Tom, Jim and Richard.

On the KKSN side, I remember seeing that little "Classical KKSN" Volkswagen Beetle around my Mt. Tabor neighborhood for years. I may have taken a picture of it, and if I can find it, I will e-mail it to Craig. It sported those colors long after the format change. I seem to recall that I last saw it parked in a vacant lot on Belmont after it had been totalled.

Does anyone else remember this promotional vehicle?

I have a cool Blue Classical Stereo KKSN bumper sticker.

Bidding starts at $100 (You peel off glass door -- 101KRCK sticker included)

First we have Super62 sacrificed to the far left,
Now we have 91derful forfited to the far right!
Who do we call to get this corrected?

Sad day, Sunday I removed www.kisnam.com from my favorites, and deleted their numbers from my phone.

Ghostbusters! This has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with undesirable demographics. Major advertisers just won't touch anyone over 55 and they never have. This is nothing new. It's the same thing that wiped out Beautiful Music and Adult Standards. It's just our turn.

I doubt that even a call to Ghostbusters will get the job done... But how about a listener supported oldies station. We have Jazz, Classical, Community, NPR and Catholic stations in the area that seem to survive on listener support... why not oldies ?

"Major advertisers just won't touch anyone over 55 and they never have."

I agree, with the exception of the mega-pharmaceuticals, they all ignore the one group of folks who might have enough time someday to afford the good life. It is utterly counterintuitive to toss out the largest generation in history when they are about to see a chunk of 401k and a whole lot of free time.

I'll put a call into Ghostbusters!
What's the number?
Maybe they can do some of that electro-ESP testing on the radio programming VP's!

Well, I turned on 910 this morning (my alarm clock has been waking me up to KISN for about the last eight or nine years now, but who's counting?) onlyt to be unpleasently surprised to hear KTRO being simulcast on 910.

So, I guess it's official: the music has died. The Talkers killed it.

(And I wonder if they played "American Pie" for KISN's sign-off song? Seems appropriate........)

KISN R.I.P.

We played it during KISN's last hour!

What about "Softly As I Leave You".......too morbid?

Wasn't a hangin was it?

I'll put together a list of the last hour playlist when I have a few minutes sometime.

Motozak, have you been on vacation or asleep for 4 days? KISN's been gone all month!

Actually I was out of town last week, yes.........
(How did you know? ESP??)
Got to love wireless laptops and networks at the Cousin's place in Seattle........but I can think of at least 10,000 other places I would have rather been on holiday to............

I did get to hear KISN throughout January as they phased out the morning news & weather broadcast, as they went all automatic in its last month.....and I remember waking up thinking "Sad that a Portland landmark has devalued itself like that."

But re: being gone last week--that's why this came as a surprise to me yesterday! (hadn't listened to it since we left last Tuesday.)

Okay the talkers didn't kill KISN,Entercom is selling 910 am to Salem Communications.

Representatives of Salem Communication said that they wanted to reach a larger market.

Please tell me where does KISN reach that 93.1 KTRO doesn't already reach?

And for Entercom to dump KISN to allow K-Hits (CBS Radio) market share to grow.

I think Erin may be on her way out at Entercom soon.

The bottom line is that, unless I'm mistaken, KISN was actually losing money. I don't think Entercom could justify holding on to it.

The bottom line is that radio is a business. It's a harsh reality, but it is what it is.

If you want to look at every radio station and include the debt expense, then no station is making money.

So do we dump them all?

It was Kisn's step kid. Mgt had zero passion for the format. The original PD told me that when Hubert arrived she wanted it gone from day 1.
Now look at what they own.
WOLF-Huge winner
KGON- re-inventing
SPORTS- Money drain format
NRK- going nowhere
Buzz- ?

I hear Ktro Am in McMinnville now, when i couldn't on 93.1!

I didn't mean to offend. It was the "alarm clock" part that threw me! I figured if it went off one morning that it did the same every other morning. If they really intend to continue simulcasting KTRO, the only reason has to be that most Talk listeners are on AM and they figure there's a better chance of that format being sampled on the standard broadcast band.

From the post by Radioboy25 Hubert I believe Hubert is death to Portland Radio.

You have to consider how many people she has brought over from the Blazers to Entercom. The suits back East will never get how bad she is.

More comments here:

http://www.peternoone.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1598

I heard that 910 will get the KTRO call letters and 1390 in Salem will get the KKSN calls.

That change should be effective as of today.

Boy, another historic calls now lost in Salem...Oregon...the State.

Interesting! Turned on two radios at the same time at 6:00am to catch the ID's on 910 & 1080. Heard KKSN Vancouver on 910 & KKSN Salem on 1080! Will the Real KKSN please stand up?

My thinking on this is, Entercom wants to keep the calls from going up for grabs in Portland. Entercom doesn't want anymore competition up against Charlie such as an Oldies format on FM. Can't blame them. Or they are storing the calls for another Entercom station in another market that isn't ready to change yet. K-Love did this years ago with the KSKD calls.

What a shame for 1390 to loose its KSLM calls after 72 years! Now I'm wondering if Salem Communications also wanted the KSLM "K-SaLeM" calls for one of their stations! We'll see...

Looks like someone is sitt'n on KSLM...it's still listed not available on the FCC web site this morn...

Call Sign KSLM is not available.


Call Sign Service Fac ID City State Effective Date Assigned To
KSLM AM 72475 SALEM OR ENTERCOM PORTLAND LICENSE, LLC



Our records contain the following address(es) for above licensee(s):
CALL SIGN KSLM
LICENSEE ENTERCOM PORTLAND LICENSE, LLC
MAILING ADDRESS 401 CITY AVENUE, SUITE 809 ...

Maybe KSKD would like it.....

There is NO real KKSN anymore!

Totally foolish. (And the radio dial continues its slow fade...)

(/vent off)

"I think Erin may be on her way out at Entercom soon."

That would sure be a day late and a dollar short at this point.

Latest from FCC web site re: KSLM call sign......


Call Sign KSLM is not available.


A request for KSLM-LP dated 02/16/2007 has been filed
by MICHAEL MATTSON.

Our records contain the following address(es) for above requester(s):
REQUESTED CALL SIGN KSLM-LP
LICENSEE/PERMITTEE MICHAEL MATTSON
CITY DALLAS STATE OR ZIP 97338-

Here's something I wondered about regarding 910's signing back on in 1980... Why didn't they just relaunch KISN as it was before it's sign off?

Do any of you folks that were around at the time think it could have picked up where it left off?

I think most of us at the time thought with the new KKSN calls, 910 would continue as a Top 40 station. New owner Bill Failing had other ideas.

By 1976, KISN was a shell of its former self. It was the 3rd ranked Top 40 out of 3. KPAM had gone ahead of them and I think KISN was #8 overall. Failing may not have had the resources to launch a strong comeback and by 1980, there was a lot more competition. In addition, FM had made great strides in the intervening years and nationally, Top 40 was waning. The music was pretty soft in '80 & '81, coming off the disco backlash and didn't really recover until '83, when Thriller hit it big.

What other top 40s were on the air at the time 910 returned to the air in 1980?

The only pure Top 40s I can think of at that time were KGW and KMJK but KPAM(may have been KCNR by then or back on format as KPAM)and KB101 were close to format. This was also a time when KGON was making huge strides and KQFM was chasing them.

In 1980, KB101 was a rock leaning CHR. August 1980 they changed format to oldies (I believe). I remember going out of town and returning and the format had changed. That new format does not stick in my mind as I was only there a couple more weeks before going to KMJK.

KVAN had become KAAR top 40 in late 79-early 80.
KMJK previous to it's switch to CHR in late '81 was not top 40, it was semi automated MOR. I started working at MJK then building new studios after the completion of which the switch was made when Harte-Hanks sold it to Vic Ives and his partners.

Anyone else notice the pdxradio server being slow today?

That's the way I remember KB101 too. KPAM was also rock leaning for awhile at about the same time. KARO didn't really have the signal to compete but they souunded great if you could get them. KMJK was Top 40 twice, after their initial format signed on in 1977 and again after they abandoned the very soft AC. Ron Leonard was doing nights on KPAM directly across from Dancin' Danny Wright on KMJK. The big song was "My Sharona" and that was the #1 song of 1979. I think KMJK must have changed from Top 40 in early 81. I base this on their posting a 5.5 share in the Spring 80 ratings, tied for #5 with KKEY. I think they went one more book before changing to soft AC. It sure seems like they kept the new format longer but you must know. I remember them taking a nosedive. When they did change to CHR, it started out with something called "new music" and took awhile to evolve. KGON was doing something very similar.

My Sharona. Doug Fieger and Berton Averre aka The Knack.
Actually, old people like me remember Doug's first Detroit band Sky and their two albums Don't Hold Back and Sailor's Delight. Awesomely good stuff. I played it copiously back in the mid 70's.
Impossible to find anymore (vinyl only) but I have it burned to CD.
I'll be streaming it if I ever get my act together.

I recall the KVAN to KARO switch to top-40 was close to the same time as the KKSN sign on with "Brave new radio" so it almost seemed like a format exchange (KVAN -> KKSN). I personally liked the "Brave new radio" format although it apparently wasn't mainstream enough to be marketable. I was hoping at the time that KKSN would morph into a "modern rock" format as they seemed headed that way towards the end. The move to AC was surprising since (I think) KGW, KEX, KCNR and KMJK were also AC at the time. As it turned out, Portland did not have a full-time modern rock station until 1991 when KBBT started. Hindsight seems to indicate that KKSN could have went oldies when they signed on as I don't think Portland had an oldies station at the time. As it turned out, two other stations switched to oldies within a year.

Brave New Radio is one of the best commercial radio formats I have ever heard. I have never since heard such a mix of interesting oldies AND cutting edge new music on a commercial station.
As far as oldies went KAAR around 1984 under the direction of the one and only Michael Jack Kirby was marvelous for oldies...with the early 1990s KSLM a close second in the oldies area

KMJK was CHR till 8/81. This is when they went soft AC. All the AC music was on big reel tape pre-segued in 20 minute sets from a music service. I left to go to KQFM for a year before returning to KMJK. KMJK went back to CHR from 9/82-4/87. These are the dates on my resume which coincides with the format changes.

Thanks Steve, that certainly makes sense. I was just trying to piece together what must have been, based on what Andy reported. Oldies was a trendy niche format in those days. It showed up every so often until young adults got tired of it and moved on. It was also still mostly pre-Beatles and to some extent, pre-boomer.

"As it turned out, Portland did not have a full-time modern rock station until 1991 when KBBT started. Hindsight seems to indicate that KKSN could have went oldies when they signed on as I don't think Portland had an oldies station at the time. As it turned out, two other stations switched to oldies within a year."

KBBT launched in 1989 or 90. KKSN-FM (oldies) became a reality in August, 1988 simulcating KKSN-AM for a time. KSGO was oldies from 1984 until 1989.

"KKSN-FM (oldies) became a reality in August 1988 simulcasting KKSN-AM for a time."

You've got your month & year mixed-up. KKSN-AM became a reality in August 1987 with simulcasting KKSN-FM beginning in February 1988 and ending also in February of 1989.

"You've got your month & year mixed-up. KKSN-AM became a reality in August 1987 with simulcasting KKSN-FM beginning in February 1988 and ending also in February of 1989."

Ooops. My bad. I guess my memory is more shot to hell than I thought!

http://portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=117253009218677600

It would be awesome if somebody brought KISN back to life on the web. Imaged & programmed just like it was during its hayday. I bet you could even make some money off of it...

O sez: "I bet you could even make some money off of it..."

I'd bet you can't.




ps: looks like there is a newspaper that is even a few steps behind The Columbian. Dwight, I like your paper but serving up 4-week-old news isn't exactly cutting edge. Have Phil check out this forum more frequently.

I'm glad KISN is dead!
We didn't cry when 93Khj was sold to Liberman, who's had it since the mid 70's.

I'm sure they cried in Los Angeles when KHJ went Country and people looking back at it probably shed a tear but with sister K-Earth picking up most of the sobbers AND Boss jocks, it surely eased the pain somewhat. Oh yeah, KHJ was part of the RKO stable of stations and all of those were required to be sold when parent, General Tire got into trouble. I don't believe Liberman has owned it for more than 20 years, if that. It was KRTH-AM for awhile after the Country experiment.

To clarify my earlier comment, what I meant was KKSN (910) had (being purely speculative) the option of going with oldies in March 1980 as there was no full time oldies station in Portland at the time. By March 1981, two other stations had switched to oldies (KLLB and KQFM). KAAR and KSGO came later. By 1987, I think KAAR had shifted to classic rock. That said, I am glad I had a chance to hear "Brave New Radio" and sorry it wasn't more successful. As I recall, KBBT went live May 18, 1991. In 1989, 970AM was classical KYTE then switched to B-EZ as KESI in 1990 prior to the change to KBBT.

Why not? Even the stupidest websites that wrangle a few page-views a day can make money. If you don't think it's possible, you're not smart or don't understand the web's most basic profit model. KISN is a heavy piece of Portland's history and it's worthy of an honorable tribute!

I started listening to KISN when my family moved back to Portland after two years in Spokane. July 1959 is when I made the discovery...I was 7 years old. Listened to an old radio that whistled when you tried to tune in the 1kw signal from SW Primrose off Barbur Blvd. That was a challenge! The station from the very beginning sounded bigger than life. The personalities REALLY put on a show, as you know if you've heard any of the early airchecks on Robin Mitchell's site. I also remember hearing competition from Dick Novak, "The King of the Mountain" on KPOJ 1330 at night, and KEX playing Top 40 in 1961. Yes, Barney Keep was playing the hits!

It was ALL so much FUN to listen to!

I'm sad KISN is gone. IMHO it was a very stupid move on Entercom's part to trash the station. However, let me thank Entercom for streaming the audio...I got to hear the Time Machine show over the internet while messin' around the house here in Arizona. Thanks, Dave "Records," for keeping those memories alive. I just wish I could get a copy of the hundred or so KISN jingles that I've heard!

Would it work on the internet? It COULD, with some effort... Radio Free Phoenix is put together by a Phoenix native that captures the local flavor of the 60s and 70s free-form album rock era very nicely...with voice-tracked personalities that are veterans of the market. The founder, Andy Olson, is making enough money to break even for the past year or so...and the internet station has a worldwide following for a Phoenix-centric sound.

For those young-uns who have no clue as to what this era meant to those of us that may or may not be considered "old farts," let me just say it's too bad...You missed out on some GREAT entertainment. A morning show that talks all the time with hardly anything more to offer than schoolboy humor and no music is cheating you bigtime! It's nothing compared to what TM in the PM, Tom Michaels, the Real Don Steele, Pat Pattee, Dave Stone, Joe Light, Paul Oscar Anderson, Sam Holman, Michael O'Brien and almost countless others delivered on KISN, with the likes of Whitey Coker and Bill Howlett letting you know what was going on in the world around you. Every day, and every night.

Yes, it WAS bigger than life...

My two bits worth...I'll step off the soapbox now...Thanks for listening...