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Author: Jeffreykopp
Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 9:27 am
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Missed it 12/21. Anybody know if it'll be repeated?

I tried calling (got only 'bots) and then email (got a robotic-looking reply about how they try to reschedule preempted network 'casts, completely missing the point of my inquiry).

(I know this is history but that section's mostly archival and yes, this is not even radio, but I figured this was the best chance to get some kind of answer and Dan can delete it.)

I see clips are available at their Web site, but after an attempt to upgrade Windows Media Player I realized life is too short.

Author: Paulwalker
Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 10:31 am
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It was repeated on 12/25. OK, but not enough old clips, which is what makes these shows worth watching.

Author: 62kgw
Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 11:47 am
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That show included parts of a film (or tape?) of a channel 8 newscast from 1960?ish. Parts of that film have been shown in the past like when they did going away for weatherman (name escapes me).
Does anyone know if that was actual newscast, or maybe just a "demo" created to show off to advertizers? Does the unedited film include the entire newscast, or just portions of it (and commercials?)? Is it a film (cinescope?) or was it an early videotape? How about showing the whole thing, without any added commentary/graphics?

Author: Dexter
Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 11:47 am
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You're right Paul, I thought it seemed very rushed for so many intriguing stories.

Author: Billcooper
Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 3:12 pm
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Go to kgw.com and click on videos...they have the entire program (in segments) there for the steaming.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 12:54 am
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Darn, missed it twice. Well I guess there goes my chance of catching a rerun.

Jack Cappell's retirement sendoff of about five years ago did have a lot of (weather and news set) video.

(I was surprised to be reminded of the Household Finance logo on Jack's weather board back in the 60s, as I've read Ivan Smith and Tom McCall had previously defected from KPTV after being directed to announce with a jug of the sponsor's antifreeze on their desk, although the coup was attributed to Richard Ross--perhaps justifiably so; I'd always underestimated him due to his Ted Baxterish demeanor in the years I remember him.)

Cappell's retirement party was kinda low-key (though very affectionate), as he'd already been given a sendoff a decade earlier, but then his health unexpectedly improved enough for him to make it to retirement. (I saw the recent one on the tube in a tavern and to my surprise the patrons were fairly interested and attentive.)

I learned to understand our weather by watching him draw the fronts (often mentioning "our boys on the Columbia Lightship," who provided him with much of his westward data in the days before satellites), and was frustrated by the current unmarked animated satellite shots on the Web (I can see clouds moving, but don't really know what that means), until I discovered (after considerable mashing around) that NWS still posts traditional fronts charts at http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/basicwx/92f.gif (full color), http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/basicwx/92f00wbg.gif (colored lines) and http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/sfc/90fbw.gif (glorious black-and-white, the way I remember it).

But I digress (as usual). I guess I'll have to grapple some more with Windows Media Player 9 (or--urk--10) to see the clips and enjoy KGW's archive streams; it won't accept WMP 6.2. The CBC is shifting from Real to WMP and I've encountered similar frustration there; but BBC's WMP streams work with the oldie just fine.

Author: Craig_adams
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 2:08 am
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Tom McCall worked for KPTV? I've not read of this before. Tom McCall began his radio career in the 1940's at The Oregonian's KGW/KEX as Lawson McCall. Continuing with KGW after KEX was sold. He quit using his middle name as his first name in 1953-54 after an unsuccessful run for congress in 1954. He returned to KGW radio until joining KGW-TV as a newscaster when channel 8 signed on the air in 1956.

Author: Washnotore2
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 2:32 pm
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What's the history behind the old KGW logos. Such as the King's Crown. Along with the mirophone logo as well. Did it even have a name??

And of course who can't forget the old NBC peacock logo. "In living color".

Author: Paulwalker
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 2:42 pm
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Well, the crown was most certainly because it was KING Broadcasting, and that was the logo in Seattle, (still is). The microphone logo was also a KING idea, I believe designed by Walt Disney himself.

Author: Paulwalker
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 2:48 pm
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http://www.king5.com/about/content.html?kingmike

Author: Craig_adams
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 5:40 pm
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Washnotore2: KGW-TV's Mike logo was different than KING-TV's. KGW-TV's version had a coonskin cap. This represented a pioneer which was the name of KGW-TV's owner Pioneer Broadcasting Co. King Broadcasting owned a percentage in Pioneer when KGW-TV signed on in 1956. By 1958 KGW-TV was listed in the Television Factbook as owned by King Broadcasting Co. dba (doing business as) Pioneer Broadcasting Co. The Television Factbook also has an ad in the Seattle listing for KING-TV, KREM-TV & KGW-TV with the slogan: "The Crown Stations of The Pacific Northwest".

Author: Paulwalker
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 5:52 pm
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Craig,

On the KGW website there is a brief video clip of the two microphone mascots together. Yes, KGW's had a coonskin hat, but other than that they were quite similar. But what is more interesting is that the bottom portion shows the word "presents", meaning that KING and KGW probably shared certain programming during this era, perhaps (long forgotten and not done anymore) local/regional documentaries?

Author: Paulwalker
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 6:14 pm
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I have to admit, I "eat this retro stuff up"...

What became of Robin Chapman? She was talented, but always thought she may have been KGW's answer to KING's Jean Enerson. Comments?

Ralph Wenge is shown on the website introducing Ann Curry (later to become NBC Today star). Who would have known looking a that video? And Ralph, what a "classic" anchor...Ted Baxtor reincarnated, w/o the screw-ups!).

Bottom line: KGW and KING, despite ownership changes over the years, remain #1 in their markets. Kind of like good parenting makes for good children, and then, likewise, good adults!
A weird analogy, but it seems to be valid when discussing these two local media giants.

Author: Craig_adams
Friday, January 05, 2007 - 8:17 pm
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Robin Chapman went on to KRON San Francisco, back to KGW-TV for a short period. Then on to WJLA Washington & WESH-TV Orlando. According to a website she is currently living in central Florida with her husband.

After KGW-TV terminated Ralph Wenge, he landed at CNN as an Anchor for a few years.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 4:49 am
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Hi, Craig. Tom was on KPTV at least briefly: http://kptv.home.comcast.net/Ads/ads50s.htm is the only ref I could grab quickly.

Will have to dig to find that antifreeze story, and the rest of the details. It may have been in "Fire at Eden's Gate."

Author: Craig_adams
Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 5:52 pm
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Thanks Jeff! That's good know. I've added this to Tom's station bio's in the KGW & KEX histories.

Also on your link above is John Salisbury, years before joining KXL. Readers might have forgotten he was on KPTV first.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 8:37 pm
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Ah. Well, I've dug up some 50's history online, but it's before I can remember much clearly myself. For some odd reason I can recall a few things I saw on TV which I now realize must have been when I was merely 3 or 4 (the TV had a way of capturing my rapt attention; I didn't "get into" radio until obtaining one of my own about age 8 or 9.) KLOR, for example, apparently signed on and went dark during the three years my family lived in another state, so it was not part of our family's oral history and was therefore a total surprise when I ran across it recently.

What happened to Ivan Smith? I've found he'd started at KMCM and then KPTV and then KGW (where I can recall his amazingly long, detailed reports--way over my head then, but I remember noticing it was unusual for TV). But he seems to have disappeared from the record early-mid 1960s, so I presume he must have died young.

Author: Craig_adams
Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 8:56 pm
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KLOR channel 12 did not go dark. KLOR signed on the air March 9, 1955 as Portland's ABC affiliate. On December 15, 1956 KLOR went independent when ABC moved to the new KGW-TV. Then on May 1, 1957 KLOR became KPTV moving channel 27 programming and NBC to channel 12. KPTV Channel 27 had gone dark the day before on April 30, 1957.

Author: Jimbo
Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 1:14 am
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Actually, they turned off the Channel 27 transmitter and turned off the lights and equipment at KLOR (which was on the corner of 9th and NE Davis) and changed the input to the CH12 transmitter to a feed from the KPTV studios so that what they were doing from KPTV on NW 23rdPlace and Burnside now fed the old KLOR transmitter. Then they tore down the KLOR studio plant and it was no more. A few years later, a group of individuals put CH27 back on the air for a few months from what ended up being the KXL-FM building and tower on Healy Heights, across the street from KOAP-TV transmitter. They called it KHTV. They had business offices in the Regal building. Their technical operations were on the bottom floor of the transmitter building and the studio was on the street level floor. Everything was pretty much black and white film and live. No tape.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:54 am
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Oops, a quirk of semantics: KLOR went dark, but Ch 12 didn't. ;)

KHTV, that's another one that got lost in the shuffle. So the Bridgeport (KC2XAK) xmtr saw service under three callsigns on two freqs on two coasts from 1949 to 1959! (Guess they got their money's worth out of it; wonder if it got sold again and put into service somewhere else?)

Thanks for keeping me on my toes, Craig, and to Jimbo who is probably our historian counterpart on the toob side. (Should call him Jimborthicon?)

Author: Semoochie
Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:13 am
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I believe Ivan Smith went to KING-TV Seattle where he spent the remaining(I think)of his career. He died many years later but still some time ago.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:08 pm
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That would make sense. I didn't arrive in Seattle until '79 which would probably have been past his retirement. Pre-Internet and before newscasters were celebrities, so can't find anything online today (after his KGW years, which are recalled due to his membership in the "KGW dream team" with Ross, McCall, Cappell and LaMear.)

I guess the lesson is, if we want to be remembered posthumously (beyond archive.org), better write a book! Gives a new dimension to my great-uncle professor's admonition of "Publish or perish!" (then meant in the context of academic career longevity; he was lamenting being too busy administering and government-consulting to write).

About twenty years ago, more or less on a lark, I called the Big O and asked if there were any books of Doug Baker's columns. After an awkward pause ("...oh, the Journal!") they actually, most unexpectedly, offered me his widow's phone number! I quickly realized what they were suggesting, and if I'd been as well-connected as I am today (which isn't really that much), I might have found an opportunity there, and helped preserve a view of Portland history that can only be seen today by elbowing one's way to an OHS microfiche machine (becoming quite an ordeal, according to Craig).

Legendary as he was, there were only two bios of Tom McCall (one a late autobio, not considered very complete), both now out of print.

I was amazed to find Richard Salant didn't have a Wikipedia entry (as he had such influence in shaping TV news in the sixties, and was often in the news himself), so I created a stub and provided a number of links, hoping a better writer than I would pick up the ball.

(Meanwhile, there are scores of entries on 16-bit computer games, and a zillion Web pages devoted to Gilligan's Island, Bewitched and even Hollywood Squares. Just what the heck are our grandchildren going to make of our generation?) (Oh, crap, they'll probably be right.)

Author: Semoochie
Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:27 pm
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"remainder" I know what you mean. I found very little on Mary Livingston and NOTHING on Portland(maide name escapes me right now)Allen!

Author: Jimbo
Monday, January 08, 2007 - 1:52 am
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JeffreyKopp,
Thanks for the kind words but Craig is the real historian here....both sides. He is the one who takes the time and makes the effort to go to the libraries and sources to get the info and sort it out and write it up. I only go on memory. Sometimes it gets a little hazy. I started "investigating" radio in the mid '50's. I started "listening" to radio in the early '50s with a cats whisker on a crystal that I bought at the old Meier and Frank warehouse in NW Portland. Living in Powellhurst area in SE Portland, about the only thing it would pick up was KEX. Had to move the needle around that crystal to get the loudest signal. Used to listen late at night to Al Priddy playing the Mr. Sandman, the Chordettes, and others. Listened to a little country around 55 when all of a sudden I heard Bill Haley, Pat Boone, Little Richard, and then Elvis. Got hooked on R&R at that time. My dad was a longtime ham radio operator and his "ham shack" was in my bedroom when I was a wee one. That got me started in radio. For whatever reason, I never got into ham radio....I was only interested in commercial. Having watched my dad with his home brew 1KW transmitter and receivers, I turned it on myself when I was about 5 and started talking into the microphone. Got a shock on that old Shure when my lips touched the metal. I also heard a ham operator ask if my dad knew what I was doing and that I had better turn it off before I got into trouble. Anyway, that transmitter was made by an old friend of his, Art Bean, who was a transmitter engineer at KGW. He only lived about a mile from the transmitter at Delta Park. I rode my bicycle from SE Portland to the KGW transmitter and spent several times with him there. I got the full treatment. This was only about 6 years after the flood and the water marks were on the walls, still, very clearly. They did the main broadcasting there and had two control rooms plus the record library out there. I also rode my bike out to Sunnyside road to KXL. They were in a house at the end of a long driveway. Now, I know that the records say they were on 82nd, but Sunnyside was a little 2 lane road and the driveway to KXL was on Sunnyside. By 1963, I had been to all the local transmitter sites (at the time) and had been through most of the stations studios. I started getting interested in television about that time and eventually that is where I went. But I still stayed in touch with radio, spending a lot of time in the late 60's and 70's with Ron Kramer (whom Craig talks about) at Lewis and Clark building KLC there. Plus more in ensuing years.
I used to use my dads Hallicrafters and NC receivers to DX on AM. Around 1959, I was listening to LA stations and occasionally picked up WLS, and even heard WABC here. I would get the Whites Radio book and see what I could hear.

Craig is the main historian, digging up all the info. I just go by my fond memories of those times. Young ones today cannot do what I was able to do. You just cannot go to a transmitter site and walk in. There was no real security in those days. Didn't need any. Different story today. Plus they are all locked and run remotely. No one there. Most were all AM's. My interests were mainly on the technical side rather than the performing side. I remember the KLOR days because that is where we watched the Mickey Mouse Club during its heyday. When some of the Mouseketeers were the "Grand Marshall" of the Rose Festival Parade, they went to the KLOR studios. I remember KHTV because a high school buddies dad was one of the three principals and that got me in there. In the early days of television, my dad's ham radio connections got us into tours of the stations and transmitter sites. Plus a tour of Tektronix when it was in only a few buildings at the intersection of HWY 26 and what is now 217. Plus building carrier current radio stations in the 50's while in school. Went to Phil Boyers radio station (where Tom Murphy started) in his basement on NE Dunkley. Also, the Cauthers (I believe)station at their house over in Parkrose where I205 now runs.
Those were the days.... exciting times for a kid, never to be again.

But, technology is different now and provides different exciting times for those who make the effort.

Author: Kq4
Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:23 am
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Very interesting and very well-written, Jimbo! Thanks for sharing your memories.

Author: Semoochie
Monday, January 08, 2007 - 10:02 am
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maiden

Author: 62kgw
Monday, January 08, 2007 - 10:13 am
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Crystal/cat whisker at M&F warehouse??
Did you use an oatmeal box for winding the coil?

Author: Jimbo
Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:30 pm
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Uh, No.
The tube from empty toilet paper roll. The first time. You used whatever you had in those days when you were a kid.
Yeah, We went to the monthly American Legion potluck in NW Portland and I walked to the M&F Warehouse, on NW 14th and Lovejoy or near there and they had it there. OH, they had Warehouse sales in those days. We got our first television there. A used (?) Capehart 21" B&W table model. It had a CH27 tuning strip in the channel 4 VHF spot on the tuner. That is how we got UHF channels in those days. After we turned the tv off, it took 5 minutes for the light to go out on the screen.

Yeah, things were a lot different then. Simpler.

Author: 62kgw
Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:42 pm
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I have an old tv from early 50's. The picture actually stays on the screen for a minute or so after you turn it off, if the room is dark. And then it also flashes a bit for awile like there is a ghost inside.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 7:48 pm
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Ah, but there are ghosts in there: Jackie Gleason, Milton Berle, Edward R. Murrow, et al.

The CRT spot spooked me as a kid; it was the power supply caps discharging while the filaments were still warm, in the days before an alarming rate of technician fatalities prompted the addition of bleeder resistors across them (which could fracture/open when old, resurrecting the hazard for the newer/less wary ones).

We had a rule that to prolong the tubes' life, the TV had to remain off for at least 30 minutes before we could turn it on again. As a result, it ran morning to bedtime. I wore out two $75 tuners on that 21" Hallicrafters, (a bakelite-encased fringe-reception model with built-in UHF tuner from M&F for $200 in 1953), which was retired in 1966 after serving in four homes over the first eight years of my life. (We didn't go color yet; another $200 was scraped together a year later to get a b/w 21" GE to replace the set I ruined. That one lasted 15 years, and the mighty solid-state digitally tuned color Mitsubishi 20" which replaced that one lasted 20.)

I also peered into the back of the set to see where the kids I saw on the cartoon shows were; something I later learned many four-year-olds did. Within a couple years I got to be on Uncle Charlie and Heck Harper and see the cameras; a later trip to Cartoon Circus completed my early tour of the city's first TV studios.

Well, I didn't mean to embarrass Jimbo by comparing him to Craig, who is diligently flogging microfiche to compile his detailed, documented histories. But you're one of a handful from the geek side on this board (along with jr_tech and shipwreck) and I've enjoyed your sharing the memories, as you saw and can clearly recall a lot of stuff I'd always been curious about and can only vaguely remember or only guess at.

Though discreet to the verge of being cryptic, I notice Semoochie seems to know the innards of 60's King Broadcasting extremely well.

While we had a couple $2.99 Japanese "crystal sets" (diode detector, ferrite slug in a single coil, crystal earphone) to play with, a neighbor clearing his basement gave me a real crystal set, in a manufactured and finished box with hinged lid, three knobs which tuned it by rotating across contacts connected to coil taps. The crystal was held in a ring by a set-screw and a gimbaled handle maneuvered the whisker. It must have been a real (i.e., non-toy) radio from the twenties or early thirties. Ignorant of its value or significance, I tossed it when I got my first battery-eating six-transistor.

Author: Jimbo
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:12 am
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My dad paid $75 for that used Capehart. It was our first television. Before that, I used to hang out at Willits Hardware store @122nd and Powell on Saturday mornings just to see Sky King and all the rest of the shows. If you were around then, You remember that the stations signed on in the late afternoon and signed off around 10PM until Jack Paar started. The stores used to leave the TV's on and facing the outside windows with a speaker mounted outside so you could stand in front of the windows when they were closed and watch tv. During nice weather, some even brought chairs and sat outside the stores. Remember, not everyone had tv's in those days and if you were the first in the neighborhood, your neighbors would be real nice to you and visit you on certain nights.
I remember my first "portable" radio, also. It was about 1955. I had a morning paper route and the portable was a battery eating 5 tube model. It was about 3inch thick, 7 inches long and 5 inches high. I'd hang it on my handlebars of my single speed bicycle and I remember listening to KKEY (they played music back then). Never heard of transistors back then.

I was working Telco Toll Transmission in the Oak Street building when they moved KGW from across the street from KEX to Jefferson St. I worked the overnight shift in the TOC center. That is where all the stations (radio and tv) got their network feeds. I would patch a line from KING in Seattle to KGW and vice-versa so that those guys could feed each other their "goodie" reels. Outtake reels and such. Lot of stuff you wouldn't want to get out on the air. Of course, the Seattle Telco TOC was in on the deal,also. We had viewing "parties" at telco. I guess we can talk about that now.

As I said, those were the days.

Author: Markandrews
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:44 am
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Ahhh, such stories...priceless!

(And you couldn't make these up if you tried, because nobody would believe you!)

Author: Tadc
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 12:26 pm
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"We had a rule that to prolong the tubes' life, the TV had to remain off for at least 30 minutes before we could turn it on again."

Could you explain the theory behind that one? Is it still valid with modern tubes?

Author: Jr_tech
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:32 pm
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Tadc:
I don't think that there is any theory that says that 30 minutes is a "magic" number, but this "rule of thumb" could extend tube life by reducing turn on/off cycles.

A few ugly things happen when a tube is first turned on:

1. The resistance of the heater in a cold tube is much lower than it is after the tube has "warmed up", so on initial turn-on there is a current spike that can burn out a heater. This is why incandescent light bulbs usually fail when first turned on.

2. Applying plate current to a cold tube can reduce it's life, as the cathode has not obtained proper operating temperature to emit electrons. The cold tube might also be somewhat "gassy". Transmitters have a seperate B+ switch that is flipped after the tubes warm up, but consumer tube TVs did not.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:42 pm
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My dad thought turning on a TV while the filaments were still warm would cause a "surge" of power thru the system that would shorten the tubes' life. Coulda been an urban legend, but many broadcast stations left their equipment (studio as well as transmitter) powered 24/7, so there was truth behind the practice, even if he misunderstood the principle. (A "standby" mode which kept the filaments powered was often found on such equipment.)

It also took time to warm up and stabilize complex equipment (TV cameras plus their control units had a hundred to four hundred tubes); Cronkite's first announcement of the JFK's assassination was a voice-over from a radio studio as they didn't have a news camera warmed up mid-day, a process which then required up to 90 minutes.

Remember this stuff made a lot of heat, and a relatively constant temperature lent stability to the circuits. Warming/cooling cycles would also cause solder joints and capacitors or resistors to break ("open"). These failures were maddeningly invisible to the eye, and finding an open component in-circuit was nearly impossible, requiring tedious removal of the suspects for testing.

OTOH, tube equipment left off for extended periods often required repair to power-up. Stuff that was unused was supposed to be powered up at least monthly. I've read that if this chore was neglected, engineering faced a big job when the components were brought back into service.

On retro-tech fan sites (like "405 Alive" or "boatanchor" sites) techniques for powering up old, long-unused equipment are explained, like using a variac to gradually increase voltage. Some old English TVs (many of which had crude power supplies) are reported to sometimes actually explode if simply turned on after a decade idle.

I dunno about "modern tubes," but power supplies are more sophisticated today, there are far fewer components to go bad, and soldering is usually better, being performed by automation. (Hand-soldering was a high skill.)

Any tubes found in modern equipment are usually merely a pair at the highest power point (the output stage, although fully solid-state transmitters appeared a couple decades ago due to their much greater efficiency and are today nearly universal--kilowatts cost big bucks at the meter), or CRTs (which are also going the way of the dodo).

Author: 62kgw
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 3:34 pm
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Many or most tv set's over the past 25 years or so included an "instant on" feature. The picture tube filament is partially on all of the time the set is pluged in. The main purpose is to have the picture come on rapidly (approx 5 seconds +/-) when you turn on the set, but I bet it helps greatly extend the life of the tube also. Some older all tube sets, you might have had to wait longer than the filament warm up time for the vertical and/or horizontal sync, and the picture size to stabilize. In any event, the all tube sets "warmed up" faster than Windows.

This 30 minute cool off "rule" seems like something somebodys mother came up with. The hidden purpose was to get the kids to stay at the dinner table for at least 30 minutes before going back to watch tv.

Author: Redford
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 3:52 pm
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Hilarious. And don't sit too close to the tv or you will go blind.

Author: Jr_tech
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 5:26 pm
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Or get x-rayed... remember those early color sets with the 6BK4 High voltage shunt regulator?

Author: Craig_adams
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 6:11 pm
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I remember reading somewhere, after the JFK assassination, CBS always kept a camera hot and ready to go.

Author: Redford
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 6:22 pm
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Yes, heard that too. Also, as I recall the story going at NBC, they broke in with coverage in a small booth at 30 Rock near the Today set because the cameras were still warmed up from the earlier broadcast. Why they didn't just use the Today set is unknown. Might have had something to do with lighting up that large set.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 7:16 pm
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Yep, there was some concern when home video games hit the market that older color TVs then relegated to children's or family rooms might be a hazard due to the tendency to sit close and watch long.

As for health effects of viewing TV, I have an off-the-wall notion that some grant-seeker might want to look into: I turned up the color sat on my TV a while back and noticed my appetite increased. (Every time someone on the tube ate something, I wanted to go see if we had any of it in the kitchen.) I should turn it back down to greyish and see if I stop gaining weight.

Author: Redford
Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 8:17 pm
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OK, that's one of the weirdest stories I've seen on this site. We have a winner! (I won't even touch on the possibility of a certain widely used illegal drug here). Oh, sorry, I guess I just did.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 10:10 am
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Well, I must admit to an anti-color TV bias; while many artists' homes eschewed television altogether (even today), ours simply drew the line at bourgeois color (though it was more a matter of six hundred 1960s bucks).

I also recall a magazine article speculating the vivid colors of psychedelia were the generation's reaction to growing up focused on b/w TV, and wildly predicted the next would wear black. Well, bring in the Goths. (My daughter's fiance jokes about her wardrobe: Oh, dear, which shade of black to wear?)

Yes, the appetite notion does sound weird, but then I recalled visiting OSU's test kitchen once where we were shown a tasting booth which included adjustable colored lighting. (This was over a decade before supermarkets began applying lighting techniques.)

So, a Google on "color" and "appetite" brought back these two (hastily grabbed off the top):
http://www.colormatters.com/appmatters.html and http://www.catholic.org/hf/home/story.php?id=21529 (food comes up 10 paras down that second one).

So I guess I should turn my set's hue away from yellow-orange toward blue. No, wait! Just wear "diet eyeglasses" and be protected from overeating wherever you go! Whoo, now I am way off-topic (well, veering off the whole board), and probably convinced all here that I am indeed weird.

Author: Craig_adams
Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 6:56 am
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Washnotore2: You asked earlier if the old microphone logos of KGW-TV & KING-TV had names.

Just ran across this by accident on Wikipedia:

KING-TV was "King Mike" & KGW-TV was "Pioneer Mike".

Author: Washnotore2
Monday, January 15, 2007 - 8:45 pm
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Thanks for the find Craig,

You know speaking of Wikipedia. Not to get off topic here.

This web site can be a strange one at times. I find the history changed section of each Wikipedia article to be controversial. For example, one person will write there version of the article. While another will write something totally different, In the same article there own way. It kinda go on and on in history entries section. Until someone information is considered to be the best one to use.

One big issue Wikipedia always has is copyrighted material. Weather it be a simple picture or worded information written without a citation. You can bet sooner or later a bon a fide Wikipedia editor. Will take out the information. Regardless of how important it is to the article in question. Some Wikipedia editors will go as far is claiming these web pages they oversee belong to them.

Just my two cents.

Author: Craig_adams
Monday, January 15, 2007 - 8:52 pm
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As I've posted here before. I'm a contributor in information to Wikipedia but not in the radio arena.

Author: Paulwalker
Monday, January 15, 2007 - 8:59 pm
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For a picture of the two microphone logo's see my post of Jan. 5th on this thread.

Author: Boringguy
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 6:00 pm
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The following link sums up Wikipedia nicely. The Al Roker picture has since been removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God&oldid=20121019

Author: Craig_adams
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 8:57 pm
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While researching the KXL history (Yeh, I'm still at it!) Ran across this ad November 8, 1955:

(Pictured here: Heck & Jody)

New on 27 - Heck Harper's Western Theatre
Tuesday 5:00-6:00 P.M.

Say, kids, be sure to see Heck's new show...
One full hour of great Western entertainment.

KPTV
NBC Television, channel 27
Oregon's Number 1 Television Station.

Author: Semoochie
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 9:08 pm
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I have a picture of Heck & Jody but it's from KGW-TV.

Author: Craig_adams
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 10:25 pm
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The KPTV picture looked like the one I remember and might be the one you have. Heck might have paid for the picture himself, so he continued to use it at KGW-TV.

Author: Craig_adams
Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 3:10 am
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Ray Evans Lyricist of Hit Songs From Movies Dies at 92. This from The New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/17/arts/music/17evans.html?ref=music

Ray Evans also Co-wrote the TV Themes to "Bonanza" & Mr. Ed" plus the Christmas song "Silver Bells".

Yes! Bonanza had lyrics, sung by The Cartwright's at the end of the pilot episode and recorded by Lorne Greene on the flip side of his hit Ringo.

Author: Littlesongs
Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 4:02 am
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We lost Livingston a few years ago, and now Evans. That is awfully sad. Those two wrote a mean batch of classics.

http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/exhibit_home_page.asp?exhibitId=218


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