By TARIQ PANJA (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
November 19, 2006 2:52 PM EST

Military victory is no longer possible in Iraq, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said in a television interview broadcast Sunday.

Kissinger presented a bleak vision of Iraq, saying the U.S. government must enter into dialogue with Iraq's neighbors - including Iran - if progress is to be made in the region.

Hey, I beat you to it by 3 minutes! I tacked this story onto the "Insiders turning against Bush" thread...

Andrew

This is more significant that might be apparent. Kissenger has been meeting with Bush over the months and pushing for military victory.

The fact that he has switched his thinking is a major change, and will influence a lot of people.

It's also interesting that Skeptical presented this information in a positive, informational manner, and Andrew, suprisingly enough, went for the negative approach this time.

Well, Kissinger DOES speak from experience.

Nixon opening the doors with China and establishing that relationship got us out of Vietnam because China didn't supply the NVA and Vietcong nearly as much.

Kissinger is the one who set up the meetings between Nixon and Chou en-Lai.

The problem here is, Dubya is too stupid to listen to Kissinger.

Andrew, ok, I'll split the $100 breaking news bonus with you.


Kissinger also gave input to the Iraq study group. I wonder if he's gonna be around for the next GOP presidential admin in 2020?

Some on the left consider Henry Kissenger a war criminal for his actions in SE Asia and Chile:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Trials_HKissinger_video.html

I think this is the film I saw, and it is actually pretty damning stuff.

I don't given Nixon and Kissenger much credit for ending the Vietnam war at all given that we could have gotten nearly the same peace terms in 1968 that we got in 1972 - and for what end result?

Andrew

It was a democrat war.

A Republican ended it.

Whine on.

Herb

An EXTREME REICH neo-CONer suckbag started this UNjust war and he is leaving it for the rest of US to end it and pay for it.

Hand wring on......

herb sez: "It was a democrat war."

Statement not supported by existing facts.

You actually want to stand by that?
Here's your opportunity to retract it.

Herb

eisenhower sent advisors to VN. the burden is shared by both parties.

The democrats started Vietnam.

That's the fact, Jack.

And you know why liberals are called the 'left?'

It's because, true to form, leftists left the mess to conservatives to clean up.

Herb

Vietnam was decades ago. Who cares?

Now in regards to the mess in Iraq, which is a current event costing us billions per month and hundreds of lives per month, who started that mess? And who's gonna clean it up?

Better yet, who's gonna pay back the money we've borrowed to fund this mess?

herd sez: "It's because, true to form, leftists left the mess to conservatives to clean up."

What's with ultra-right conservatives and contradictions in this forum? Do they actually think we're not gonna notice?

ps: Eisenhower opened the VN door. Pesty, pesty facts.

"Vietnam was decades ago. Who cares?"

Surely you jest.

Santayana said "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

Herbert W. Armstrong

For a change, Herb, you're right: the Bush administration ignored the history of Vietnam and we are now all doomed to repeat it in Iraq.

Andrew

looking at Andrew's post, it is clear Herb didn't get this the first time I posted this at 4:58 earlier today, so, let me repeat it:

What's with ultra-right conservatives and contradictions in this forum? Do they actually think we're not gonna notice?

"For a change, Herb, you're right: the Bush administration ignored the history of Vietnam and we are now all doomed to repeat it in Iraq."

Funny you say that, while Dubya is in Vietnam right now! Hah!

The seeds of the Vietnam conflict can probably be traced back to Truman. After the defeat of the Japanese, France wanted Indochina back as a colony. We originally rebuffed (Truman, much like FDR, personally had no tolerance for de Gaulle), but the Americans decided it was more important to turn their back on a Vietnamese patriot that they sided with during the war by the name of Ho Chi Minh because of his ties with Moscow than it would be to give the region their independence. Thus, a long protracted war with the French, who gave up the ghost at Dien Bien Phu, and a deep mistrust of the Americans because of the whole mess, and we all know where that led.

The escalation started under Kennedy with his sending "advisors" to Saigon, the huge troop influx didn't start until 1965 however.

So to summarize, the Vietnam War was a result of both Democratic and Republican influence, whereas the Iraq War is 100% George W. Bush and his neo-CON Republicans.

Bush is bad.

Blah blah blah.

And you guys foam at the mouth when Mr. Clinton's impeachment is brought up.

Either go after the guy in court or give it a rest. If you can't prosecute the guy for anything, you obviously have nothing.

Herb

To compare with a straight face Bush getting America into a catastrophic war in Iraq where thousands have been killed or wounded with Clinton's lying about getting a BJ from an intern is beyond my comprehension, Herb. Seriously.

You really don't think the Bush Administration did a single thing wrong in Iraq, do you? Pretty much all of us have said how reprehensible Clinton's lying was, while at the same time realizing it had little real impact on our lives.

Andrew

Herb ignorantly said>>>
Santayana said "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

And YOUR idiot of a President doesn't know history! Because this ASS has made the mess so the LEFT has to clean it up.
Before you make stupid ass statements like that you need to LIVE in the hear and now.
Have you taken you fiber as of late? Your really full of poop!
Yep! Your eyes are brown.... Full to the top!