During the last couple of years, KXL in Portland and KUGN in Eugene both discontinued CBS news, with KXL switching to Fox and KUGN going with ABC.

Apparently no other local stations have picked up CBS? I'm a bit surprised. I should think that some other stations would be interested, or that CBS would want to establish new affiliates in these local markets.

The only CBS station in the Willamette Valley, as far as I know, is KGAL in Albany.

You forgot CBS's reputation was shot approx 2 years ago.

Westwood One distributes CBS News, and there most likely is some wheeling and dealing going on with regard to carrying other Westwood One shows...(O'Reilly, and others).

Clear Channel switched from ABC to Fox a couple years ago, and ABC has been picked up by many non-Clear Channel stations.

oh i see, CBS reputation is shot but the phone sex phreak right-wing nut job o'reilley reputation is just fine with you......... the calling for all left-wing attorneys to be lined up and shot as sicko savage does frequently, you must approve of that as well

the lowlifes at kxl, in a desperate attempt to appease advertisers (never mind the listening audience) switches from the "Liberal media of CBS" to the right-wing slant of faux news.......now that the public tide has turned against the right, (how many closet homosexual pedophile crank-snortin chicken hawk chasin' republicans can one take in a six week span?)what will the idiots at kxl do now?

Wqxi, have you looked at who's on the side of trimet buses recently?
Katie CBS seems to be tanking also.

Note: We are not listening to Savage. We are tuned into 860 Lavin Radio Free Oregon.

Clear Channel still broadcasts ABC - on KPOJ in Portland, when not airing Air America Radio News. Surely they broadcast ABC on other stations as well.

Andrew

Speaking of Clear Channel, does anybody else remember the short lived monicker of "Clear Channel News" that was used on the air a few years ago? Did this happen right after Clear Channel stations dropped CBS News?

I've listened to CBS news on KIRO in Seattle and I'm pretty sure KCBS San Francisco (duh). Comparing CBS to Fox radio news is like hearing the difference between Edward Murrow and Joseph McCarthy. On one side you have a dedicated news organization striving for truth and on the other hand a group of dimwits forcing specious and unsubstantiated claims.

Sorry to be so harsh. But, it’s a sad reality of the downward spiral of credibility that’s in the radio business today at many stations.

Andrew, let me rephrase: Clear Channel dropped ABC News on many stations back in '03 or '04. Most replaced it with Fox News.

Alredo, yes, Clear Channel had a news service that we used when I was at Clear Channel-Eugene.
It was adequate, but not near ABC or CBS in quality. Don't know if it is still alive.

CBS News has always been the leader for network radio news. Not sure anymore.

Notice how Fox News uses ambient sound on most stories? Kind of the equivalent to their zingers and zappers on TV.

CBS news got busted for fabricating slanted stories they called news... if this is why you hate FOX then you should also be hating CBS.

Unless the slant is ok if you agree with it...

Stop making stuff up. CBS didn't fabricate anything. Presumably you are referring to the Rather debacle. He used memos he had received as evidence in the story - he did not fabricate them. Interestingly, the secretary who claimed she never typed those memos claimed that what they in fact SAID was true!!! But, you all ignore half off what she said and embrace the other half. Amazing.

Andrew

No no. They were proven to be forgeries. Total, outright forgeries. CBS lied to make a story.

Wrong.

Can you prove I'm wrong?

This is quote from CBS website:
"(CBS) EDITOR'S NOTE: A report issued by an independent panel on Jan. 10, 2005 concluded that CBS News failed to follow basic journalistic principles in the preparation and reporting of this Sept. 8, 2004 broadcast."

It's not up to me to prove you wrong. You made the accusastion, you back it up.

Yeah, 62kgw's quote does not say CBS forged anything. Obviously they should have checked out the memos they received, but they did not create them!

Andrew

Well, the Rather debacle is now history. An embarrassment for CBS news to be sure, but CBS is still a prominent name in the news business and I remain surprised that no stations in Portland or Eugene have picked it up. As noted above, KIRO in Seattle has stuck with CBS....

looked at KIRO's numbers lately?

Not that the TOH news will make much difference there but their current decline can surely be an indication that the wisest of decisions are not currently being made at the once mighty 710.

Forged by CBS or by someone else and used by CBS is not the central arguement here...

The fact that CBS News no longer makes good journalistic decisions is the point.

KIRO's ratings decline started and has continued with the loss of The Mariners to KOMO a couple years ago. Seriously doubt CBS had much to do with it.

According to the CBS News website, here are the current CBS News affiliated stations in Oregon, (leaving out Portland and Eugene)

KVAS 1230 Astoria
KBND 1110 Bend
KAGO 1150 & 99.5 Klamath Falls
KGAL 1580 Lebanon
KMED 1440 Medford
KNPT 1310 Newport
KBBR 1340 Coos Bay
KRNR 1490 Roseburg

So CBS did lie according to their website, that's the evidence I needed for Reinstatepete.

The documents turned out to be forgeries, which means they reported based on a lie. Lies are lies are lies. Period.

So if you make false statements based on slanted Faux News stories, you are also lying? Or is that an honest mistake?

BTW that Rather debacle stinks of Rove to high heaven. I believe that history will prove that the report was factual but based on fabricated documents - documents planted by Rove&Co. in order to discredit a *factual* story.

PW, I wasn't saying KIRO numbers are down because they have CBS news.

I did say that KIRO has not been known for making wise decisions lately and it is showing in their numbers.

Thus saying KIRO keeping CBS somehow validates CBS News doesn't work. KIRO has no credibility for making wise decisions lately.

Tad,

NO... Criticizing Fox News and then giving CBS News a free pass is the mistake.

BTW a "slant" is not the same as a forgery or a fabricated story.

Failure to check out a potenial fabricated politcally charged story, especially right before an election is not a "mistake" either.

It was most likely that the "reporter" wanted to believe the story or score political points more then they wanted to do the actual work involved to check out its validity.

Its a lot more serious than just a "slant" which most critical viewers can see right through.

It clearly spells LOSS OF JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY.

End O Story.

Heck, you can repeat that mantra for a growing percentage of big corporate news. Nothing new there.

The Dan Rather bit was really odd though. I remember seeing an image of the printed documents and knew right then and there they were created with recent vintage computer equipment. Nothing used for that kind of thing at the time would have produced copy like that.

You're right, NoTalent, a slant isn't the same as a fabricated story. I'm just glad CBS didn't fabricate one. The story had other sources besides the one that turned out to be fake memos. Even the secretary who says she never typed the memos claimed what was in them was true. Dan Rather and his producer, in their zeal to "get" President Bush, obviously used poor judgement, but that doesn't mean they fabricated anything, despite your desire to believe so.

Andrew

here is the reputation of faux news:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15723351/

Oh BROTHER!

Blaming Fox News for what a sister company does is like crediting "speckless" MSNBC for Saturday Night Live.

KNPT, newport is not a cbs affiliate. they are abc-i, but do carry some cbs features, osgood couric ect.

Faux News..... We report, You Decide.....

(if it's actually news)

Britney caught with her pants down......

I hate thier tabloid "Kicker" stories...Just stick to the real news

Most of the local tv channel news is loaded with the hollywood/gossip stuff. Like who cares what Tom Cruise or Madonna does?

"Most of the local tv channel news is loaded with the hollywood/gossip stuff. Like who cares what Tom Cruise or Madonna does?"

I agree with you but we must be in the minority. Evidently a lot of people do because those type shows have good audiences. Otherwise, those shows would not be on. Same thing with reality shows. (That are not really reality at all)

Situation Dramas.

Same kind of stuff good novelists use to crank out book after book. People love it.

Guys, it may just be Westwood One's ridiculous contract terms. They're the worst for having burdensome out-clauses when stations have to make changes, and WW1 tries to bundle news affiliation with other features which may not fit your station.

This could be nothing more than too many managers who've been burned and said, "never again."

That said, I think the Katie thing is tanking. It may have looked good in research, but in turning off the smile and "perk" to do hard news, Katie loses the personality attributes which made her successful on the morning show.

Perhaps I might a little perspective and/or sanity to this thread... as one who's been there: current Fox News Radio reporter, former CBS stringer and former ABC freelancer.

If you're hearing right-wing spin on Fox News RADIO hourlies, you're listening to voices in your head, not our anchors.
The hourlies are about short, bright, well-written, well-'illustrated' updates, not spin. We literally don't have time to spin.
Same goes for the wraps and voicers I produce. I haven't done anything at Fox I didn't do at ABC and for CBS.

That said, I certainly understand the sins of the 'father' being visited on the 'son' - in this case the sins of the TV network being projected on the radio network. My paycheck comes from the same account as Sean Hannity's and Bill O'Reilly's checks. We can't deny our 'heritage.' And, in fact, Fox News Radio's success has come from having a clear identity that conservative talk stations weren't getting from CBS or ABC.

But if Lars, Rush, Sean, etc. make you crazy each and every day, why are you still listening? I can only guess that you enjoy the outrage. Rush hasn't made me angry since the early 90's... because I haven't heard more than 10 minutes of his show since then.

RJ

Another interesting angle on the changes in radio news over the past decade or so is the phenomenal rise of NPR news...across the country but especially in markets like Portland, Seattle and San Francisco. Political "slant" may factor in, but I think it's largely the result of commercial networks cutting back so dramatically on "serious" news. My main complaint about Fox News (radio and TV) is there's so little actual reporting in it. It really is sort of talk radio with pictures....

Rich, isn't branding a remarkable thing?

Fox News Radio, IMO, has more professional news execution by far than TV's Fox News Channel.

Can someone tell us how many radio stations run Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc hourly news?

KXL runs FOX.

Looking for national count. Which network has most stations, 2nd most, etc.

I'm trying to remember if there's still an NBC. I was thinking Westwood One folded it shortly after doing so with Mutual.

Talk about 'synergy.' The one-minute thing called NBC Radio News is written by a producer who sits in the CBS Radio Washington bureau, under the technical heading of Westwood One.
It's a good AFTRA gig... paying about $70k, with little work. You pull sound from NBC and MSNBC, write a one-minute cast, then track down an NBC or MSNBC anchor or reporter to read it (from NY, Secaucus, even the White House). If you can't find one, you do it yourself.
But you never see the sunshine in that middle-of-the-building studio, and never do any original work.
Turnover is semi-high. I forget the Westwood guy in DC who deals with it.

Growing up in Portland I listened to CBS ON koin.INMO KOIN should still be around with CBS. KIROis with CBS NEWS, save for a brief time when 30 yrs ago when NBC News was aired I realize KOIN AM &FM were sold and split up.I think at least 970 should have kept KOIN with CBS while having a format like that of KIRO. They now have changed 970 too many times to suit me plus the sig in Tacoma at night is so so. In short Koin and CBS should have stayed on 970. What say?

I believe when "97 Koin" was sold to Gaylord, KOIN had already dropped CBS's top of the hour news, since they were pretty much Top 40. They did have some CBS programming which ended when the calls switched to 97 KYTE.

Bottom line: network radio news is becoming an endangered species. Fox is heard more and more, CBS and ABC seem to be diminishing, if not on the way to disappearing. The 1970's is the last decade where I can remember hearing Top of the Hour newcasts from ABC,NBC, and CBS, all on big signal stations. Fox and CBS seem to be the survivors, but these things can change. (I already miss ABC!...where are they?) However, give Fox radio news credit for entering the fray with good quality radio newscasts. (Former Northwesterner Rich Johnson sounds great on Fox!)

Let's not forget Mutual News.

Ah yes, good 'ole Mutual, home of the old Larry King all-night radio show, and Herb Jepko, an entirely different breed of talk show where the listeners called and talked about basically nothing! Now that was compelling radio!

I still hear ABC kgo Komo maybe some others. I go back to 4 networks for ABC. Forgot the names of theM. ABC FM Radio Net ABC Contemporary forgot the others. I listened a lot to Larry on MBS liked it for a time but on open phones too much sports for me. Also when the show went to days it was't as good. Larry was doing a night time show in the day. What's odd as I look back KIRO FM aired Larry's daytime show. Later Dr Laura was on KIRO FM 12 -3 when Larry left.The Buzz here was starting circa 94.Remember Paul?

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Entertainment
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Each had its own musical introduction.

970's signal just doesn't have enough oomph anymore. Most don't.

Daveyboy1, I couldn't place the year that Bonneville took 100.7 talk. I didn't realize it was that early. I remember it as a soft AC in the late 80's, and beautiful music before that.

I noticed that CC's flagship WLW has dropped FOX and gone back to ABC...