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I don't know....but if you find any good stuff pick me up a baggy would you?? LOL

ck out 82nd ave south of powell. look for a 70's detroit big iron 4-door with a rag for a gas cap and hefty bag for a window. bush/cheney stickers. herb.

Nah, Herb was an old timer, so who knows what happened.

Just up the hill at Willamette National.

I'm thinking he was banned here? Or else politely asked to leave?

Where can I get some of that Politeness Power??

According to his profile, Herb last logged in here on November 4:

http://feedback.pdxradio.com/board-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profile=herb- users

so apparently he's still reading, just not posting these days...

Andrew

Herb, you LOST!!!!

For the longest time his last log-in was September 28th, the very day Wayne showed up in the political threads to take his place.

Mrs_M>> Or else politely asked to leave?

Surely you jest!

Well you know Jacquel did get banned for trying to sell some property or something....

You people are sad.


and obsessed with Herb.

I'm not sad at all, Cochise - very happy at the moment at the way things have been going the last two days. Hurray!!!

Andrew

You can be happy when you actually do something with the win, until then it mean nothing.

ahem, with our win, rumsfeld got canned. any further comments mc74?

At very least Bush won't be able to do any more legislative damage in the next two years. No more tax cuts for the wealthy! No more usurping of the Constitution with the complicity of the Congress!

Anything wrong with passing the 9/11 Commission's recommendations?

Andrew

My question is whether or not they will undo the damage to habeas corpus. That's a biggie.

Yep.

No more right wing judges either.

yep, from now on nothing but "activists" judges will do.

We do NOT need liberal judges who legislate from the bench either. If you remember Reagan still was able to appoint the judges he wanted even with the Democrats in control. Why in the world do you want a judge who will give a pedophile 3 months probation because he has a mental disease?

Wanyer...
Why would you condone the neo-CONs that hide a pedophile until e-mails get leaked to the RIGHT people??? A GD Senator!!!! Using TAX-PAYERS money to defend a Fin Pedo!!!! You neo-CONers are downright sick in YOUR Fin heads!
Can't you go to the Dr. and get that fixed???

And something else...

EVERYONE LEAVE Herb ALONE!!!!!

Thanks,

Trixter

Leave Herb alone? Not a chance. After all the mouthing off on his part, I've got a goddamn big slice of crow to serve up and I'm gonna shove it down his throat and rub it all over his face until he screams uncle.

Too bad DD's won't come back.....

"If you remember Reagan still was able to appoint the judges he wanted even with the Democrats in control."

Tell Robert Bork that.

You truly are clueless, aren't you sir?

Amen!

"bush/cheney stickers..."

Wrong again.

They're 'Nixon Now' stickers.

Herb

Hey Herb, did you hear the big news this week about Britney and K-Fed splitting up?

Andrew

He's Alive!

And how about that sweet Lindsay Lohan calling Paris Hilton the C-word the other night, now THAT was good stuff on Youtube. I so love current affairs, now that the election is over.

And why on earth did you fools conjure up Herb again? (Other than RIP"S explanation which is awesomely funny.)

Herb, how does it feel to be in the MINORITY of opinion these days? The elections showed us that everything you stand for has been repudiated by the majority. Repudiated in a BIG way. You lose, sucker!!!

"The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart."
But, lo the democrats doth swoop down and balance the evil,
and partake of control of the house, and of the senate, from this time forward until the next election...
and the LORD looked down,
and saw that it was good.

I always suspected Herb was Wayne's other identity.

Unlike liberals, I'm fine whenever the voters speak, come what may. This is America.

But now the left has a BIG, BIG problem.

They have to do more than talk.

Now they actually have to govern.

And the forecasted voter fraud we heard so much about? I guess Diebold is fine with the left after all...as long as liberals win.

Prattle on.

Herb

Notice how there was not a single request for a recount from the Republicans. Republicans are willing to let the voters speak, and if they lose, get busy and try to do better in the future.

Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats, when they lose, whimper and whine and demand recounts and what have you. In thier minds, the only way they could possibly lose is if someone cheated. BS. Sore losers.

It's hard to admit that your side has done wrong, isn't it?

Actually there were a lot of issues on the voting.

The numbers were big enough to be clear, thus making a recount request somewhat political and pointless given the MANDATE we've seen for change.

We still need reform in this regard as we won't always come to decisions like this. The norm is closer races. When we see that norm, we will again see the problems we have.

Essentially, close races go to courts and that's not cool.

I would actually like to see some recount requests on both sides on the closer races where there was trouble. There are members of both parties well within their rights to ask for the recounts and I wish they would.

Why?

Because they will find there is almost nothing to recount! That's still untrustworthy and should be a low confidence thing so we can do what it takes to build that confidence to a higher level.


Reinstate: You know it!

Thank God Herb is back.... I don't know what is board would have done if only Wayne and DJ were here with false facts.

Agreed!

I wish we could get past these sweeping generalizations and labels though.

"Unlike liberals...."

"Most Americans...."

All of them are false, all of them are subjective and essentially useless for any sort of rational discussion. Only good for positioning one's view in terms of how bad one thinks others views are.

Hardly constructive.

This liberal minded person is perfectly ok with hearing the American people speak too. The big problem with the GOP win was the lies. They basically promised a bunch of stuff, then turned around and did what they felt like doing. The whole platform was a lie. Took 6 years for the majority of Americans to figure that out.

Had the GOP actually did what it said it was gonna do, we would not have seen this referendum happen as it did.

Say what you want, that's compelling and defensible evidence that supports nearly all the rational critique of the GOP posted here.

Now that we have two parties again, it will be interesting to see where the overall priorities lie. Given the corruption was, in many areas, rated above the war as the primary voting issue, will we actually see reform?

In that vein, I'm also eager to see if we are actually going to see some accountability for the trashing of our Constitution and exploitation of our courts as well.

If we see the ass covering legislation undone, I'll feel pretty good going forward. Don't care if Bush is impeached or not, frankly we've other pressing issues. I do care about our currently broken legislation being allowed to stand.

If it does, I'm gonna be as pissed at the Dems as I currently am at the GOP.

There are typically lost seats in virtually every President's second term.

Given the war on terror, the left's results are actually quite unimpressive.

If that's the best you've got, I can hardly wait until the election that really matters...in only 2 short years. Until then, thank goodness for gridlock.

Herb

But, Herb, you said the Democrats would be a permanent minority in America, didn't you? How then did the Democrats manage to take back both houses of Congress as well as state legislatures and governorships all across America?

Face it, Herb: the American people no longer trust the Republican Party to protect the nation. That's why the Democrats won on Tuesday.

Andrew

>>>"The numbers were big enough to be clear, thus making a recount request somewhat political and pointless given the MANDATE we've seen for change."

BS. Some of those races were as close as 1000 votes. You guys can't even win gracefully, let alone lose gracefully.

I'm not sorry for the outcome of the election. I think it's time for change. I just hope the San Fransisco radical broad doesn't screw up everything for the future. And, there's a certain bunch of leftie morons who want "revenge". If they are not held in check, it will guarantee a shift back to the Republicans in 2008. Democrats promised improvement, they better deliver or it's out the door.

Herb is grasping for straws. That is what someone who KNOWS that their days are numbered. The American people will NEVER adapt the EXTREME RIGHTS views because they are so EXTREME...
America will NOT adopt any EXTREME views whether it's RIGHT or LEFT.....

dj sez: You guys can't even win gracefully"

President George W "Mandate" Bush showed us how to behave after a win.


dj also sez: "San Fransisco radical broad doesn't screw up everything for the future."

Broad? Wow, you're really a relic from a few generations ago aren't you? Heck, even ignorant fools like wayne has never called a woman a "broad". Ugh.

>>>"The American people will NEVER adapt the EXTREME RIGHTS views because they are so EXTREME...
America will NOT adopt any EXTREME views whether it's RIGHT or LEFT....."

Absolutely correct.

>>>"Broad? Wow, you're really a relic from a few generations ago aren't you? Heck, even ignorant fools like wayne has never called a woman a "broad". Ugh."


I cleaned that up from what I really wanted to call her out of respect for this forum.

"Herb is grasping for straws."

"...the American people no longer trust the Republican Party to protect the nation."

Really? You're both sadly mistaken. Here's all you need to know:

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-11 -10T140135Z_01_L10266591_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-ELECTIONS-IRAN.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Herbert Milhous

Well, Herb, that story you posted "proves" as much about America's trust in the Republican party as this one:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20744479-5001026,00.html

It must be devastating for you to come to terms with how America has rejected you and your bunch, eh Herb? How does it feel to eat all those false boasts about how the Democrats would always be a minority party? Then again, you are still defending Nixon so why should we be surprised?

Andrew

al Qaeda has also stated electing the Democrats is a victory for their cause.

Wonder what our enemies know that the loser liberals don't seem to know.

No, all I need to know are the results of the elections we just had, where Democrats took over the majority in both the House and Senate, and gained state houses and governors across the nation as well.

As they say, SCOREBOARD!!!

The people have spoken, and the positions you represent have been REPUDIATED. I hope you enjoyed your brief time in power, because it's all downhill from here for you christian right winged neo-con lemmings.

Deane, al Qaeda gloating about Bush's humiliating election defeat is just like the Iranians in 1980 humiliating Jimmy Carter by holding the hostages through the year of his re-election. Gee, did you think the Iranians loved Ronald Reagan too??? Hint: they want to see ANY American leader humiliated!

Andrew

Rein, you need to take another drink and relax (or whatever it is you do).

I'll bet Republicans have been drinking heavily or taking their Oxycontin by the handful the last few days...

Andrew

SCOREBOARD!!!

"Then again, you are still defending Nixon..."

Mr. Nixon was a great American.

He did not give away the Panama Canal, like Jimmy Carter. Nor did he give us a misery index of 24, like Mr. Carter. Nor did he cause us to have our nation held hostage for 444 days, like Mr. Carter. Nor did he take his children's advice for our defense posture, like Mr. Carter.

Mr. Nixon was also not impeached, like Mr. Clinton.

Mr. Nixon started the EPA and opened the door to China. Mr. Nixon did not sell them our secret technology like Mr. Clinton.

Herbert M. Nixon

Nixon paid hush money to Watergate burglars, obstructed justice by trying to get the CIA to stop the FBI's Watergate investigation, and resigned in disgrace only because he knew the Senate had the 2/3 vote required to convict him the coming impeachment. And it is THIS CONDUCT you continue to defend, Herb. It's like bragging about how great a man O.J. Simpson is because he was acquitted of killing two people.

Andrew

Mr. Clinton paid hush money to Gennifer Flowers' burglars. Mr. Clinton's wife had hundreds of FBI files purloined. Mr. Clinton's cabinet member, Sandy Burglar, stole top-secret documents that were retreived from his socks.

And Mr. Clinton was impeached. Mr. Nixon was not.

Herb

Thats true and welcome back.

Thanks, Wayne. I'd like to be president of your fan club, and Cochise's too.

Herb

Thanks you will be my first choice. Cochise will be vice president! I was getting a bit tired of arguing the conservative side all by myself.

Which one of you will bring the lube to the first meeting?

Andrew

Bring your car and I will lube it!

Richard Nixon, in a lot of ways, was a good President. I will always believe that. Relations with the Soviet Union were probably the best of the entire Cold War up until Reagan and Gorbachev. Nixon established relations, meaningful relations, with Chou En-Lai and Mao in China. Nixon, in a round-about way, orchestrated and initiated our removal from Vietnam. He established the EPA and created the US Postal Service model we have today (snail mail service was a big problem before Nixon). He was also very moderate on civil rights matters.

Nixon also did dunderhead things, like Watergate. Yes, he did and nobody can deny that. The man's obsessive-compulsive need to be in control of all things at all times, and his severe paranoia, were his downfall. Nixon would have been VERY happy if the only two people running this country were himself and Henry Kissinger.

My personal opinion is that Nixon gets too much flak from the left, much like Clinton gets too much flak from the right. Both had significant personal blemishes on their Presidency, but the body of work they did largely speaks for itself.

nixon: exit VN, pro-EPA, women's rights, price controls, pro-diplomacy world-wide, et al, sounds like a liberal to me.

Nixon's The One, Again!

Nixon would have made a good Democrat don't you think? I think the worst thing he did was have national speed limit of 55 miles per hour. But he did visit China and was the first president to do so. His problem was that he hang around the wrong crowd.

"Nixon would have made a good Democrat don't you think? I think the worst thing he did was have national speed limit of 55 miles per hour. But he did visit China and was the first president to do so. His problem was that he hang around the wrong crowd."

There was a group known as "Nixon Republicans" ... for a reason. They were moderate on many things socially, yet fiscally pretty conservative.

The speed limit was lowered nationally to 55 mph for fuel savings Wayne. The energy crisis started at the very end of his Presidency, and he was somewhat proactive about it instead of burying his head in the sand.

As far as hanging around the "wrong crowd" ... he didn't hang out with ANY crowd. Nixon was very much a loner, his mistrust of others prevented him from mingling. He had his hired lackeys do his grunt work on Watergate, et al.

And just like Clinton, Nixon made a good President. Does it matter what political affiliation he was? I fail to comprehend the reasoning behind you having to adjust labels and tags to every single person and their actions Wayne, if they are good they are good and if they suck, well you get the picture.

Actually, I take that back. I DON'T think you get the picture.

For all his flaws, Mr. Nixon is often acknowledged as a good President. He did not enter us into the Vietnam war, but he did get us out of it.

And I concede in that he had personal issues, he shares that with Mr. Clinton.

However, there is one key difference.

Mr. Nixon was strong on defense and stood toe-to-toe with the former Soviet Union, China and North Korea.

Herb

Welcome back Herb, sure missed you.
And Bush Jr. makes me miss Nixon.

Thanks, RadioBlogMan.

I watched good folks like Wayne get berated by leftists on this board.

As Bill O'Reilly notes, it reinforced the fact that the left has few cogent points to make. It's essentially non-stop vitriol.

The left uses the same old game plan: Smear and distort. It's a permutation of the Clinton administration's 'nuts & sluts' attack on anyone who dared to go against them.

Herb

SCOREBOARD!

Bash and dash leftists can run, but can't hide.

Cut and run leftists can certainly do a lot of running as well, but they can't hide either.

Words mean things.

Now we'll see if the democrats can deliver on their arrogance.

And when you don't, Ol' Herb will be right there.

Herb

Author: Brianl
Monday, November 13, 2006 - 6:29 am


"Nixon would have made a good Democrat don't you think? I think the worst thing he did was have national speed limit of 55 miles per hour. But he did visit China and was the first president to do so. His problem was that he hang around the wrong crowd."

There was a group known as "Nixon Republicans" ... for a reason. They were moderate on many things socially, yet fiscally pretty conservative.


there were and also many Democrats supported him. Remember the ads that they put out against McGovern in 72? I remember one in which McGovern's face was turned back and forth to show how he changed his positions and it was quite effective. Sort of like Kerry I think


The speed limit was lowered nationally to 55 mph for fuel savings Wayne. The energy crisis started at the very end of his Presidency, and he was somewhat proactive about it instead of burying his head in the sand.

thats true although the reason for the speed limit was changed to save lives! I don't see how any speed limit can do that. I sure hope Hillary doesn't succeed in bringing it back!

As far as hanging around the "wrong crowd" ... he didn't hang out with ANY crowd. Nixon was very much a loner, his mistrust of others prevented him from mingling. He had his hired lackeys do his grunt work on Watergate, et al.

Surely you don't deny that there were people on Nixon's staff who were jailed for their role in Watergate. Chuck Colson is one who comes to mind. He found Christ in jail and later wrote several books. Maybe if there weren't such crooks who were on Nixons staff who knows what might have been different. I believe what happened to Nixon was a disgrace for our whole country. I didn't think any Republican could be president again until Reagan came along. I think he saved the party!


And just like Clinton, Nixon made a good President. Does it matter what political affiliation he was? I fail to comprehend the reasoning behind you having to adjust labels and tags to every single person and their actions Wayne, if they are good they are good and if they suck, well you get the picture.


Actually, I take that back. I DON'T think you get the picture.

I agree that Nixon did a lot of good as President! He was the one who started the ball rolling with the Soviet Union which I think led to its downfall during the term of Bush41. He did bring our troops home from Vietnam and for sure he didn't start the war although a lot of his critics sure thought he did!

Herb, a lot of big talk for someone who's mouth is stuffed with crow.

Don't be so hard on yourself Pete.

Herb ignorantly said>>>>
The left uses the same old game plan: Smear and distort.

You have got to be Fin kidding right??? The neo-CONer EXTREME RIGHT asses out there muck rake and distort every Fin thing that they can get their GD hands on. ARE YOU BLIND???

WOW! Ignorance really is bliss!

No we aren't kidding. Herb is right. The left knows no other way ti deal with dialogue than to smear and swear. All you do when you do when you do that is prove our point. I don't think its possible for you to discuss in any gentlemanly manner.

The EXTREME RIGHT Rove (THE DEVIL) is the KING of that. When that man dies he is going to hell for sure.... Sorry WW the EXTREME REICH is the smear KINGS!!!!!
Try again....

You and the rest of the commie left aren't any better, Trix!

"Herb, a lot of big talk for someone who's mouth is stuffed with crow."

Crow? Hardly. Perhaps you missed one of my previous posts:

There are typically lost seats in virtually every President's second term.

Given the war on terror, the left's results are actually quite unimpressive.

If that's the best you've got, I can hardly wait until the election that really matters...in only 2 short years. Until then, thank goodness for gridlock.

Herbert M. Nixon

Well EVRYONE learned it from the EXTREME REICH in 2000! Smearing McCain was an Fin disgrace!

Herbert M. Nixon is just as MISinformed as the disgraced Nixon that CUT AND RUN out of the White House....

At least Nixon wasn't impeached like Clinton who should have quit when he knew better!

But he was exonerated by the Senate!!!!!
Nixon CUT AND RAN like a chicken......

Nixon resigned like he was supposed to. Why couldn't Clinton do that instead of hide behind the senate?

Clinton didn't need to resign, Nixon did. It's that simple, and a truth that your kind doesn't like to admit.

Herb, you told us months ago that the GOP was going going to GAIN seats this coming fall. Looks like you studied THE math Karl Rove studied.

Yes he did. Clinton was impeached. He broke the law. He lied before a grand jury. Nixon never did. Clinton was the worst president of our time.

"Until then, thank goodness for gridlock." - Herb.

Yeah. Neat. What a patriot. Two years of getting stiff-armed. No hope of getting anything that others may want to get through. But because you don't, it doesn't count. It's all bad. No good can come from it. Not worth considering. Stay the course. Republicans lose a little bit of power ( expectedly, by your account ), so give the rest of America the finger by fillibustering. Good strategy. Couldn't possibly backfire. And if it does, well, that's to be expected too, eh? It's part of the plan.

Gee - you wonder why people voted the way they did? No. Not you. You KNOW why they did. In fact, your quote embodies it. You MEANT for this to happen.

Sure, Americans will continue to die at an increasing rate while you shut down possible ways out of Iraq. But that's not important. What's important is that you regain some of your power...TWO YEARS FROM NOW! Your " win at all costs " attitude has proven to be not worthy of anymore discussion. So says America.

I just don't know why you hate our troops so much. At least we WANT them out. You don't. Because it would mean you'd have to say it was handled too poorly. And well, egg on your face is much less desirable than shrapnel in the temple, I guess.

Way to go! You Win! Now what?

Why do you hate America so much you want us to lose the war on terror? Would you explain that?

According to you, we've won it. I mean, hey, we haven't had any more attacks. That means we win. Right? Great. I agree.

What's the problem?

WW ignorantly said>>>>
Clinton was the worst president of our time.

Man WW hates America so much it's sick. Are you a commie WW??
WOW!

"Yes he did. Clinton was impeached. He broke the law. He lied before a grand jury. Nixon never did. Clinton was the worst president of our time."

Ummm so going through the extent of your cover-up knowledge to destroy audio tapes and any other evidence of the break-ins themselves, AFTER they had been subpoeaned by a grand jury, isn't breaking the law? The act of the break-in itself wasn't breaking the law? Exactly what the hell are you talking about ... ??? Saying Nixon didn't break the law in front of the grand jury is flat-out wrong. I was BORN in 1972 and I know this. You claim to have been around and remember, your memory sure seems shady to me.

Nixon and Clinton, socially, were strikingly similar. You just love Nixon and hate Clinton because one is a Republican and one a Democrat. You REFUSE to take off those glasses and look at it objectively and make up your mind from that, it's as simple as "The GOP guy has to be a good guy and that dirty old Democrat should be taken out back and shot." Guess what Sparky, 35 years ago Clinton would have probably been a Republican, as it stands now he is a very moderate Democrat.

Some people don't change their stripes just by affiliating themselves with a political party. Some people, like you sir, can't comprehend that.

"...so give the rest of America the finger by fillibustering."

Oh.

But it's fine when the left does it, Mr. checks and balances?

Herb

No. It's NOT fine when that happens. And when I see it, I call it out too.

But I don't get all excited about seeing it in action. It's a terrible thing no matter who does it. You see it is a good thing. I mean, hey, you are thanking God for it. I, on the other hand, am not excited to see it.

Like I said before, now we'll see who the REAL obstructionists are.

Yep. And the beauty of it is the coming Presidential elections!

The internal GOP bickering and fighting over how to save face will make for some great entertainment. Bush will prove to be a serious liability, unless he backs off from a few things.

I'll bet some of those conversations are happening as we read!

The Dems are bickering over who will be the senate president. Nancy "Strech" Polosi wants John Murtha to be it.

The internal leftist bickering and fighting over who will be their presidential nominee will be particularly interesting.

With a negative rating of over 45%, it won't be kum-bah-yah for Hillary.

Mr. Wyden has been threatening to filibuster every year or so. For now, bring on the gridlock! Let's stop this government in it's tracks lest they undo all the terrific work of the Bush administration.

Thank goodness for those checks and balances we kept hearing from liberals about...up until last week, that is.

Gridlock, Ho!

Herb

pay no attention to these folks. they're eating crow and spouting off between bites.

To be honest, Herb, I don't think the Democrats need to get a single bill signed by Bush to make their point and poise the Democrats for a 2008 presidential win. The House (which is much harder to obstruct than the Senate) should simply pass these bills. The Senate should propose them and when certain senators filibuster, the ones who refuse to vote on cloture should simply have their states targeted to get voters lobbying their Senators. Why is Senator Birdbrain filibustering to prevent the bill adopting all of the 9/11 Commission Recommendations or the bill allowing Medicare to negotiate drug discounts like the VA can? How many of his constituents are going to back him/her? I guess it depends if Sen. Birdbrain wants to get re-elected.

The House in 2008 would be able to stand up and say, "Look at all these bills we passed - do you WANT the 9/11 Commission adopted? Why did the Republicans block them? WHO are voters going to vote for? As long as the Dems lay it out clearly and concisely to the voters, they've got it.

Andrew

Two wrongs make a right. Got it. Thanks Herb. Vindictive and bitterness are the words of the day.

neat.

Yeah, Herb is all about legislating his morality.

He doesn't care how it gets done, just that it gets done. He once wrote: "Nothing matters but fighting terror and getting those right wing court appointments." (Or something really close to that anyway.)

That means you and I don't matter. The law does not matter, unless it's legislating his morality that is. All that matters is Herb feeling safe and Herb seeing the world run his way.



If you keep that in mind, what he posts makes a lot more sense!

That seems obvious.

It's fine. He'll die eventually.

You can wish for my demise all you want.

This merely highlights the fact that in spite of their rheotoric, leftists cannot handle alternative views.

Checks and balances are all we heard about for the past several years here. Now it doesn't matter to the left. You have been exposed.

The democrats have a HUGE problem. If they don't deliver-and deliver big-within the next 24 months, we'll have another 4 years of conservative Supreme Court justice appointments.

These are dangerous times. And with the war on terror, the American public isn't going to stand for San Fransicko values.

GRIDLOCK HO!

Herb

again, a reminder, the troll no longer can claim to be speaking for the majority of voters. All he has is a mouth now. Filter out accordingly.

And, as the election results showed, the American public isn't too accepting of the values of the GOP (Grand Ol' Perverts) either:

Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

I guess you don't think its possible for any liberal Democrat to break the law do you? Are liberals always as innocent as the driven snow?
Can you name any Democrat that broke the law?

Author: Skeptical
Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 2:39 pm


again, a reminder, the troll no longer can claim to be speaking for the majority of voters. All he has is a mouth now. Filter out accordingly.

again you and the libs show that you are no believers in free speech but want to censor everyone who disagrees with you!

You're, Herb, the Democrats have a HUUUUGE problem in winning the majority in Congress. You should have seen all the hand wringing and agony on the night of Tuesday, November 7: all the Dems I talked to were holding their heads in their hands, moaning, "How could this HAPPEN to us? I thought we were going to LOSE! What are we going to DO????" Believe me, you've never seen so many depressed people. Over at Saxton headquarters, meanwhile, people were overjoyed because, with Saxton getting blown out, they had no problem to worry about. Wow, I wish I'd have supported him now!

Can you tell us, Herb, what it feels like to be in the minority again with everything going your way? What is your plan to lose even bigger in 2008 to improve your prospects further? Have Bush campaign in every congressional district?

Andrew

It wasn't the democratic candidates getting voted out because of dubious ethical and moral behavior, now was it?

Merkin for PRESIDENT....2008

Author: Bookemdono
Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 3:27 pm


It wasn't the democratic candidates getting voted out because of dubious ethical and moral behavior, now was it?

no it was the liberal media who campaigned very hard for the Dems and said nothing about their scandals

Boy, old Herb's posts just don't quite pack the punch they used to. That loss of credibilty really stings ya in the ass!

His posts are a good example of how delusional some Republicans are about their unexpected loss of power.

Andrew

Well at least we can give Herb credit for being willing to take his hits. He could have chosen not to respond at all.

But I'm not surprised by his posts.

prozac. herb had to go on prozac to deal with the (then) upcoming democratic landslide, so now that it has fully kicked in (three months needed) he can better deflect punches. it also fuzzes up his brain function . . .

PUNCH DRUNK!

"That loss of credibilty [sic] really stings ya..."

Wait a minute.

The VAST MAJORITY of American voters side with a pro-marriage amendment.

Using leftist logic, that is very well and good because it gives voters favouring traditional marriage a great deal of credibility.

You can't have it both ways. If your leftist-voting minions who elected liberals in both houses are credible, THEN SO ARE PRO-TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE VOTERS who FAR OUTNUMBER the gay-marriage lobby.

Good luck trying to get a majority of any kind given our upcoming GRIDLOCK. It's a lame duck session before they even get started. Thank goodness!

Herb

Herb said>>>
Using leftist logic, that is very well and good because it gives voters favouring traditional marriage a great deal of credibility.

But yet the other day on the Tom Lyekis show he said a study just out showed that 56% of the people in the United States in relationship ARE NOT MARRIED! For the first time EVER NON-Married people outweigh MARRIED people.....
Traditional Marriage???? Huh?

Dono said, "Grand Old Perverts".

Gonna add that one to the playbook. It's a classic that I've a feeling will be damn hard to shake.

Really we should be legislating things we really need and that actually matter. Flag burning, gay marriage, etc... are all just BS we can worry about when the real problems are solved.

"Good luck trying to get a majority of any kind given our upcoming GRIDLOCK. It's a lame duck session before they even get started. Thank goodness!"

It would behoove the Bush administration to try to get along and reach a working agreement with the Democratic Congress for the next two years. Failure to do so would be more damaging to the Republicans than the Democrats. The Democrats were voted in because Americans are rejecting soundly Bush's failed Iraq policy and the GOP's move further to the right.

If the Republican Party doesn't adknowledge the desires of the American people to have a more centrist government and act accordingly, the Republican Party will be left in the dust. Many Republicans, myself definitely included, cannot and WILL NOT embrace the right turn the Bush administration has made.

The Dems will be controlling Capitol Hill and they will be the ones that will produce the gridlock. I think that Bush will probably use his veto pen.

Author: Trixter
Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 7:06 pm


Herb said>>>
Using leftist logic, that is very well and good because it gives voters favouring traditional marriage a great deal of credibility.

But yet the other day on the Tom Lyekis show he said a study just out showed that 56% of the people in the United States in relationship ARE NOT MARRIED! For the first time EVER NON-Married people outweigh MARRIED people.....
Traditional Marriage???? Huh?

but Trix every state that has a ban on same sex marriage has passed it by a wide margin. That tells me there is still some fear of God in some people's hearts

Once again Herb, you have NO credibility, you bigot. You mouthed off here for months about how the left was going to lose, how the American public wouldn't trust the left, and how the left is weak, blah, blah, blah. Turns out you were wrong on EVERY SINGLE ONE of your pathetic talking points. Your kind got voted the hell out, and resoundingly so. Unlike your kind, the majority of people don't hang their hat on whether gays are allowed to get married. Go back to drinking your Medamucil, old man.

Not only being just totally wrong, but wrong in public with the record around to detail the wrongness to boot! That's the beauty of online discourse. No fixing the facts to fit the view. It's all there for the gory reading afterword.

That's just gotta suck really hard!

What I find totally interesting is the national priority in general. Nobody fricking cares about these issues. We've clearly got more pressing problems to solve that will matter to everyday people here and now.

It's really easy to see who is all about legislating morality at the expense of others right now. They are the only ones left pounding that drum!

Meanwhile, the MAJORITY of Americans are interested in getting some real issues addressed. Read it again:

Majority of Americans. Remember all those times you claimed otherwise? Where is the support for that claim now.

The left CAN and DID win a lotta elections. Enough elections to matter, in fact.

This happened, despite plenty of dirty tricks, distortions and outright lies from the GOP! Why did they do these things?

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO RUN ON. NOTHING THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS TO THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

By the way, the Left's hold on the House is bigger than the Right's hold on the house in past years. Heh, or rather, double heh!

We're WINNERS!!!!! Yayyyy!


The trolls here are LOSERS!

Troll menu:

Sun: Baked crow, humble pie.
Mon: Fried crow, humble cake.
Tues: Stir fried crow: humble pudding.
Weds: Stewed crow gizzards, humble jello.
Thurs: Cheney Special - Deep fried pellet crow, humble home brew.
Fri: Sushi crow, wild humble berries.
Sat: Frozen crow nuked, strawberry hill humble.


(I can see how easy it is to get carried away with this winner stuff -- it causes you mind to stop working!)

"The Dems will be controlling Capitol Hill and they will be the ones that will produce the gridlock. I think that Bush will probably use his veto pen."

It takes TWO parties to create good harmonious bilateral working relations, and it takes TWO parties to create a giant gridlocked mess. The Democrats would not be the ONLY ones at blame here.

Given the happenings of the election, it is safe to assume that if gridlock DOES happen, it would reflect more poorly on the GOP and Bush than it would the Democrats.

Particularly if the Dems just start passing bills of interest to the public in the House, like Andrew mentioned here.

I don't expect Bush to suddenly discover how to work well with others, because as most children of priviledge are, they are unable to work with others because they are used to getting their way.

He certainly is conciliatory in defeat, claiming to be capable of working together. Though he sounds more like the class bully who has been exposed as a coward and finally gotten a "thumpin'" and is willing to say anything before he himself gets beat up. I hope the democrats don't soon forget he most divisively and disgustingly said "a vote for the democrats is a vote for the terrorists." Now that the voters didn't fall for the fear tactics and his side lost big time, he's forced to backtrack quite a bit, but I hope he is soon held accountable for some of the ridiculous and damaging remarks he's made simply for political purposes.

History will hold him accountable, and it won't be pretty, which to me is the ultimate punishment.

Author: Brianl
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 6:33 am


"The Dems will be controlling Capitol Hill and they will be the ones that will produce the gridlock. I think that Bush will probably use his veto pen."

It takes TWO parties to create good harmonious bilateral working relations, and it takes TWO parties to create a giant gridlocked mess. The Democrats would not be the ONLY ones at blame here.

Given the happenings of the election, it is safe to assume that if gridlock DOES happen, it would reflect more poorly on the GOP and Bush than it would the Democrats.

I bet that Bush will be more accomidating to the Democrats than Clinton was to the Republicans

He's going to have to be, because, politically, they've got him by the short hairs, and I don't mean the ones growing out of his nose.

HEY WAYNE

Check out these forums....they are running wild over there and need someone to set em straight...you can do that right?

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/index.php
http://www.politicalforum.com/
http://www.politicalhotwire.com/

Author: Bookemdono
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 11:22 am


He's going to have to be, because, politically, they've got him by the short hairs, and I don't mean the ones growing out of his nose.

It sounds like there will be efforts on both sides on a compromise which will be a good thing. One thing I actually agree with the Dems on is the pay increase. Who can live on 5 bucks an hour? I think a better idea than a minimum wage would be an across the board pay increase that would effect workers who have been at their jobs longer than a year.

Author: Joamon4sure
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 11:25 am


HEY WAYNE

Check out these forums....they are running wild over there and need someone to set em straight...you can do that right?

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/index.php
http://www.politicalforum.com/
http://www.politicalhotwire.com/

\\\
thanks I'll bookmark it. Do you visit there?

Just do a little quiet lurking....don't really like heated political discussions...politics just pisses me off....I mean I pay good money and just have XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (This portion edited out due to misunderstanding of how I worded it...Sorry!!)

Who paid for the pavement you drive to work on each day? Who pays the police that protect you from those that would like to take away what you own? Who pays the teacher's salaries that teach your kids? Who pays for the military that protects us all and allows us to live in relative peace?

You have a lot to show for it, but like a lot of folks, it's taken for granted.

Retract previous:

"I mean I pay good money and just have sh_t to show for it!!!"

As the good man PETE says I do have a lot to be grateful for and I really truly am...but our political system does make me shake my head sometimes at their petty bickering over seemingly insignifigent issues and then completely ignore important ones. I support all of those you mentioned above but feel disappointed in our government that used to be for the people.
Sorry bout the misunderstanding on that!!

Maybe we will see a turn for the good with this changing of the gaurd.....lets hope so!

Man, has this thread deteriorated or what?

Herbert Milhous

It really has when no matter what the subject is people have a way to tie in gay marriage with it. And they accuse us of trolling!

Careful what you say...after scrolling back through this thread the first person who brought the gay marriage issue into it was Herb. It is sort of an appropriate microcosm of real life because the one's who've made such an issue out of gay marriage are the conservatives.

Actually, as Mr. Nixon would say, you misspoke.

I merely pointed out that if one says the left has a mandate, they must explain how the very same argument [and in spades, I might add] can be denied with pro-marriage amendment voters.

A far higher percentage of voters support a pro-marriage amendment than any temporary liberal success last week. Therefore, pro-marriage amendment voters have a strong argument for an even larger mandate.

But the left can't handle that.

Spin on.

Herb Alpert

The last time I checked the number of Americans supporting gay marriage was greater than the number suppporting president bush.

You are dead wrong. Every state that had the anti-gay ballot passed it by a wide margin.

Author: Bookemdono
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 3:51 pm


Careful what you say...after scrolling back through this thread the first person who brought the gay marriage issue into it was Herb. It is sort of an appropriate microcosm of real life because the one's who've made such an issue out of gay marriage are the conservatives.

but the left is doing the trolling not us. They are the ones who want to force gay marriage down the throats of those who oppose it. I sense the left is more interested in picking a fight than they are in pushing gay marriage

I'm afraid you're wrong...a marriage amendment failed in Arizona.

America doesn't want gay marriage. Massachusetts didn't even get to vote on it. It was just now said on tv what I have said before that marriage is not any right that is in the Constitution. We need a federal ammendment that would ban gay marriage. Otherwise we need to allow marriage with pets and polygamy. Thats the reality thats being ignored here. Its what equal protection demands.

America didn't want interracial marriage at one point either.

thought of the day . . . .

Slavery was once cool too.

And witch hunting.

Lets bring back them old days.

Heck, lets bring the old testament and the Dark Ages.

Those old Popes sure knew how to keep the masses in line.

Author: Reinstatepete
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 6:48 pm


America didn't want interracial marriage at one point either
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Not the same thing at all Pete. Marriage is not a right. Show me where the Constitution says it is!

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 7:45 pm


thought of the day . . . .

Slavery was once cool too.

And witch hunting.

Lets bring back them old days.

Heck, lets bring the old testament and the Dark Ages.

Those old Popes sure knew how to keep the masses in

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Nice try. That doesn't justify gay marriage. Why do you accuse me of pushing when you are pushing yourself?

Let's just burn the homosexuals like they did witches.....
Maybe then and only then will WW and Herb be happy.
Or better yet... let's find an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and condem them to it FOREVER!!!!
Happy now Bigot???

Wayne to Dono:

"You are dead wrong. Every state that had the anti-gay ballot passed it by a wide margin."


Dono:

I'm afraid you're wrong...a marriage amendment failed in Arizona.



Hey Look Kids, Dono is NOT dead.

I guess that means Wayne is the one who's (Brain) "Dead Wrong".



What's next? Cats and Dogs living together???

America doesn't want gay marriage. I think you don't realize that if we have that we have to allow men and pets to marry as well as polygamy. Do you want polygamy?

America DOESN'T want YOUR way of thinking ANYMORE! that is why the neo-CONers lost their asses last Tuesday!

Do you want everyone to think YOUR way???

Trix,

Q: Why does Wayne hate the Nazis' less than the "Commies":

A: The Nazis killed gays, not just the Jews, Catholics, gypsies, and scholars!

That's it!
That's why Wayner is a Nazi lover...
No wonder Hitler is his hero...

He probably knows all the tunes for "Springtime for Hitler."

All right.....enough.....everyone needs a can of the following:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/Lotek_Racing/troll.jpg

LOL

Sounds good to me but I am sure there is a repellent for that.

One of the few memorable moments of Mel Brooks "History of World, part II" was the newsreelesque caption announcing "Hitler on Ice" followed by a figure-skating Adolf Hitler character.

What about the the "piss boy"?

There's a movie that's not very funny while viewing, but has stuck with me over the years, and has gotten funnier over time, and in my head.

You know, I say the exact same thing about that old Stockard Channing movie called "The Girl Most Likely to..."

Except, that was pretty funny while viewing, too.

Rules...Rules...Rules...Can nobody read the FRACKIN Rules?

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