Looks like it's down to two close races in VA and MT.

Woke up to an AAR stream left on, heard the words "Democrats take the Senate." Got all excited, then realized it's not over just yet.

Hoping...

You KNOW that things are looking bad on the GOP front when Montana might elect a Democrat senator.

Yeah, that's pretty ugly.

In the end, it's good for all of us though. A solid GOP, run by real American conservatives is a much better proposition than the neo-con run one we see today.

I'll bet the Republicans litigate the heck out of these two races...

"I'll bet the Republicans litigate the heck out of these two races..."

Given what has already transpired, they would be foolish to IMO. They've lost the house in a landslide, and the Senate, best-case scenario, will be 51-49 GOP ... basically a 50-50 split. Do they REALLY want to alienate people MORE when they have lost so much?

cnn.com had an article saying Bush was "praising" the fact that most of the Democratic gains in the House were by moderate Democrats and not ultra-liberals, and that he felt he can work with them. Show us Georgie, show us.

Hope you are right. I'm also hoping the Dems wake up this morning and just start acting like they have won the senate, just like Republicans did in 2000 with the Presidency.

Every little bit helps!

Hey Randy, if you are reading this, I find it interesting that corruption and ethics are a major factor in this election. Remember the "importance" thread we had a while back?

The subsequent discussion put lots of other issues at the top, over these. You and I both expressed disappointment over that. Well, seems we were more in line with the average joe bag 'o doughnuts than we thought!

Exit polling reveals these issues to outweigh even the war in many races!

w00t!

Wayne's buddy from Pennsylvania, Rick Santorum, went down by a 2:1 margin. For an incumbent to lose that badly, especially such a high-profile ... wow.

Methinks the folks in Pennsylvania were sick of getting religious views and anti-gay rhetoric shoved down their throats.

Agreed!

Seems we are still mostly Americans first afterall!

The extremists can....

Suck it!

Man, I'm in a good mood. I went to sleep thinking we might squeak out the national house, might get the oregon house amidst a ton of court battles.

Woke up to a strong senate possibility and both houses secure! The Senate will end up in the courts probably, but that's just fine.

I feel for real conservatives because they got dragged down in this mess. Hopefully they will rebuild with solid people, thus leaving the extremists marginalized just as they should be.

The Senate seat in Montana has gone to the democrats, leaving only the race in Virginia as the uncertain outcome now. After going to bed last night thinking the democrats would only win control of the House of Reps a renewed sense of optimism was gained after hearing the news of the races in Montana and Virginia.

By Brianl on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 6:39 am:
Wayne's buddy from Pennsylvania, Rick Santorum, went down by a 2:1 margin. For an incumbent to lose that badly, especially such a high-profile ... wow.

Methinks the folks in Pennsylvania were sick of getting religious views and anti-gay rhetoric shoved down their throats.


You who reject God are doing a pretty good job of forcing your views on gay marriage down our throats too. Most of us don't even want that.
I am amazed that you can't understand the religious objections to that. shall we have polygamy too? Or do you want men to marry their pets? Thats what would happen with gay marriage, like it or not.

Most people understand the religious objections, but equal rights trump your religious objections. Get it?

the people have spoken. ignore the troll.

The MAJORITY of the United States is TIRED and completely WORN OUT on the Religious EXTREME REICH and their scare tactics. It didn't work this time!
The MAJORITY has spoken and that means us REPUBLICANS that can't stand what has happened to OUR party. Last night we took a step closer to showing the neo-CONers that we DO NOT WANT their kind of Governing in America any longer.
BUH BYE!

I would say that there will be A 49-49-2 senate count. And the truth is Trix many of the Democrats who won were conservative. The liberal Republicans were the ones who lost. America is not liberal enough for the Stalinist left.

By Reinstatepete on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 11:14 am:
Most people understand the religious objections, but equal rights trump your religious objections. Get it?


nope. Marriage is not and never has been a right.

Stalinist LEFT?? WTF is that????
How about the Hitler REICH??? How about all those neo-CON suckbags that lost last night? Santorum? BUH BYE! That neo-CONer was a NAZI as they come...

just a troll who will never substanciate anything.

I don't believe many who won were as liberal as you are Trix. When it comes to liberal thinking nobody can top you.

Let's hope a law gets passed where those who use free speech spouting false facts will be fined.

And as we all know here that will begin with Wayne.

Wayne, you have to stop saying anyone who supports abortion hates God, because there are plenty of religious folks who do not hate gays and accept them. I think most of the folks who fear gays probably never set foot in a church, where most learn about accepting our brothers and sisters for the way they are and not just the way we might want them.

I think this will be only a good thing for us Republicans, I agree with you Trix. Our party has gone way too far to the right, it's time for someone to come out and reach across that aisle. We're not ALL heathens who run around with clubs chasing woolly mammoths. It seems that a lot of the Republicans who lost were members of the Christian-right ...

I was reading an article somewhere this morning about how the "Nixon Republicans" have disappeared. Before you all go off on me about this, hear me out - it made some sense. Nixon, for all his faults, DID establish the EPA and was very pro-civil rights ... and like-minded Republicans back then are now Democrats, while all too many in the GOP want to slash and burn everything in sight and shut the door on anyone not just like them. A return to the center is due.

a search in this forum will reveal that many of us pointed out these positive thing about Nixon many times. Indeed, there are many good, or even great Republicans . . . Tom McCall comes to mind. Others in Oregon are Mark Hatfield, Dave Frohnmeyer, Norma Paulus.

Selfish ultra-right conservatives are now being served up their own karma.

By Radioblogman on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 4:20 pm:
Wayne, you have to stop saying anyone who supports abortion hates God, because there are plenty of religious folks who do not hate gays and accept them. I think most of the folks who fear gays probably never set foot in a church, where most learn about accepting our brothers and sisters for the way they are and not just the way we might want them.

I don't remember saying that any of you hate God. I think you need to take life more seriously if you want to take the life of an innocent baby who has harmed nobody because you are depressed. And nobody I know in my church hates gays and I don't either. I just don't want gays to marry. Why can't I oppose gay marriage without you accusing me of being hateful?
What I notice about Trix and Pete is that winning or losing elections doesn't change their bitterness toward conservatives. Thats the difference between them and me. When I lose I don't hold a grudge.

I had a simple wedding ceremony at my church with both my dogs (one male, one female, the cats stayed home) on Saint Francis Day (the patron saint of animals). We were all dressed up, as were all the other animals that came to be blessed by our priest in the sanctuary that day.

It's very touching and sweet. Not to mention the tax savings!

Wayne you always hold a grudge, contantly spouting off the right winger view. What makes matters worse when we point out that you are wrong, you won't listen to the truth.

Instead you create your own "truth". It wastes everybody's time.

To state one simple fact, is there government waste? Of course there is, but is it on the level of Enron? Of course not. But who do right wingers attack? Enron? no they attack government. That's why the right is wrong and that along with others was why the right went home yesterday.

Now with the Democrats holding a majority of State Houses and the Supreme Court ruling this year on redistricting. I think those Democratic States should redistrict to get rid of the GOP germandering that happened in 1991 and 2001.

Then the landside would have been much greater this year, except for the germandering that the "right" has done over the past twenty years.

"I don't remember saying that any of you hate God."

Really? I guess Wayne already forgot what he wrote so long ago on:

Monday, November 06, 2006 - 2:08 pm:

"Its no wonder that non-Christians have a hatred toward God..."



Hmmm. I'm sure he'll have some blubbering backtracking spin on his comment!

By Saveitnow on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 5:25 pm:
Wayne you always hold a grudge, contantly spouting off the right winger view. What makes matters worse when we point out that you are wrong, you won't listen to the truth.


No I don't have a grudge at all. I would say you are the one holding the grudge against conservative Christians because of Bush! Even when your side wins you can't stop the grudge.

Wayner how much does your church pay in property tax?

Waiting....

Do you really want to know? I bet you don't.

Breaking at 7:45pm PST, Virginia senate goes to dems. Montana already did. So both houses seem to be dem-controlled. A complete changeover apparently has occurred. Somewhat historic and may effect '08.

You know if Allen had won the Dems would demand a recount.

Waynes_world writes:

No I don't have a grudge at all. I would say you are the one holding the grudge against conservative Christians because of Bush! Even when your side wins you can't stop the grudge.



I for one have no grudge against religious conservatives. I don't like them forcing their "morals" down my throat via the government especially since they have so many of their own skeletons. Freedom and simple minded religious nuts do not mix. Iran demonstrated that to us. I think the voters made that same point yesterday.

trolls, of course, are blind to contradictions.

I for one have no grudge against religious conservatives. I don't like them forcing their "morals" down my throat via the government especially since they have so many of their own skeletons. Freedom and simple minded religious nuts do not mix. Iran demonstrated that to us. I think the voters made that same point yesterday.


would you mind telling me how I shove anything down anybody's throat? I think the only way in the world I can avoid that is to agree with you and the rest of the anti-God secularists. They are just as guilty of forcing. They constantly prove it by insulting every conservative on the planet and by swearing.

By Waynes_world on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 7:18 pm:
You know if Allen had won the Dems would demand a recount.

Where is the recount? You know there would be one if Allen had won!

trolls, of course, are also blind to logical explainations. proceed at your own risk.

The fact is that since there is no paper trail, it is impossible to have a recount. All that can be done is determine that all the numbers from the various precincts was gathered and tabulated properly. It is not possible that this could end up like the 2000 Florida recount.

I think what you mean is that any time a Democrat wins a recount is impossible. Whenever a Democrat loses in a close race there is always a recount. Or at least there is a demand for one.

I think what you mean is that any time a Democrat wins a recount is impossible. Whenever a Democrat loses in a close race there is always a recount. Or at least there is a demand for one.

I didn't mean to post twice. Go ahead and jump on that too.

Bottom line here; Demos win, Neo-Cons lose.

Now we get to show what we can do.

And trust me, it will be an improvement.

When you look in the dictionary under "Lame Duck", you will see a picture of GWB.

Also, under "WPE", pix of GWB

Hey, the Dems can actually be 'Obstuctionists' now!

Yes, Virginia, there is a democrat!

Christmas has come early, that's for sure.

Wayner I do want to know how much in property tax that your church pays. Will you let us all know?

They pay none. And if you've ever seen the size of Rolling Hills, the property tax would probably be close to 6 figures if it was anything else.

By Saveitnow on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 7:58 am:
Wayner I do want to know how much in property tax that your church pays. Will you let us all know?


if you really want to know why don't you visit my church and ask a minister there. That is if you really care and are not a coward.

By Warner on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 10:45 pm:
Bottom line here; Demos win, Neo-Cons lose.

Now we get to show what we can do.

And trust me, it will be an improvement.

When you look in the dictionary under "Lame Duck", you will see a picture of GWB.



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Actually many of the Democrats who won were conservative or at least they ran that way. The Republicans who lost were liberal. Chaffe was no conservative. How did Lieberman win if he was a supporter of the war?

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By Waynes_world on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 6:18 pm:
Media Pushes Notion 'Conservative' Democrats Won On Tuesday
Posted by Michael Rule on November 8, 2006 - 16:52.
Is this more offensive to Democrats or Republicans? At least five separate reporters described incoming freshman Democrat Congressmen as conservative. On Wednesday’s "Early Show" Bob Schieffer noted "these Democrats that were elected last night are conservative Democrats." Later in the same program, CBS News Captiol Hill correspondent Sharyl Attkisson highlighted, "...a lot of these new Democrats who’ve been elected are social conservatives." Seconds later, CBS Political Correspondent Gloria Borger observed that with the Democrats taking the House, "the committee chairmen are going to be liberal and the people coming in are going to be these moderate conservatives." The trend continued on "Imus in the Morning" as NBC’s David Gregory remarked, "She’s [Nancy Pelosi] going to have a lot of center-right Demcorats who won..."

To Wayner:

Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

I am not a coward, so what is the name of your church so that I can come and talk to your minister.

It's the abomination off I205/Stafford called "Rolling Hills".

I'v sent two queries related to equality and the law and the representation of their teachings seen here.

Nothing so far...

By Saveitnow on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 12:18 pm:
To Wayner:

Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

I am not a coward, so what is the name of your church so that I can come and talk to your minister.


Rolling Hills. Its right off of I205 in Tualatin. I know my minister would love to talk to you!

Senator George Allen is "crazed" and "can't be calmed down", according to aides who say Allen simply cannot believe he will never ever be President of the USA.

It's beyond heartbreaking for Senator Macacawitz, fer sure.

Now, the fallen half-Jew could have picked up a rifle and gone to Vietnam, back in the day, but he was too scared to die.

His brave opponent, Mr. Webb, has courage and fought valiantly in Vietnam and went onto become Secretary of the Navy.

Now, he is junior Senator from the commonwealth of Virginia, a new blue state.

Hey Wayne I know your Financial Guy Paul from the Stafford CPO.

And to tell you the truth the $1 Million that you guys are paying for the round about at Wankers Corner is not a tax, but a fee for the demands that your church places on the roads.

In addition since when did serving lattes at the latte bar become part of a religious service?

And to keep the piling on, your church wouldn't even exist at this location if it wasn't for a bad divorce where one party chose to sell the land to a non profit so the other party of the divorce would receive a reduce settlement.

Now I don't remember seeing in the bible that the Lord wanted parties to divorce so that a church could be built on land at a low value.

Want any more dirty laundry Wayne. You might want to go to the farms in the area and help them help you by hunting a crow or two and then cook it and enjoy eating your crow.

Oh yes, I should have known you were a member of that Church or the Athey Creek Church. I don't remember that having the National Touring Company of Veggie Tales qualifies as a religious event, since the land use for the Veggie Tales is not allowed to perform concerts unders Rolling Hills Land Use permit.

However attendance was light enough that it provided no excess traffice in the area.

The best part of Measure 37 from 2004 is that Rolling Hills came in AFTER the area was zoned for 20 acre minimum. So no Measure 37 claim coming from your chruch for the Round about.

Did your minister tell you any of this? I'm no coward, now enjoy your crow.

You are the one who said our church paid no taxes aren't you? Do you now wish to take back your statement?

Also will you talk to my minister? Its better if you hear the truth from him. Somehow I doubt if you would believe it even if he told you.

Wayne get back on the meds. Look over the thread and apologize. You are a number one wacko.

You need to do what you said you would do, talk to my minister! Unless you are that much of a coward. He will tell you what you need to know.

I just thought of a question: If the rate is 49-49-2 in the senate how can the Democrats have a majority? Does the vice president get to break the tie? There is still a race in Arizona that hasn't been decided!

Wayne that's on the House. The Senate seat for Arizona was reached on Tuesday. Besides the 2 Independent have said they will organize with the Democrats.

Stop listening to the wacko right and your minister and try to read. Have you heard about reading?

But doesn't that mean that the Vice President gets to make the deciding vote? I meant J.D. Hayworth's seat may still be in play. And is it a sin to be a right winger? I guess you think it is!

No the VP doesn't get the deciding vote. Did you ever study government? All you need is a group of a majority plus one. So the two independents plus 49 Democrats equals 51 which is a majority.

Beyond that J.D. Hayworth is not a Senator.

Being a cherry picking right winger is a sin. WWJD

The v.p. does get the deciding vote if there is a tie. I think being a secular leftist is sin too. We are all the same in God's eyes. There is no right or left winger with Him

But there is no tie at this time. I think I see at least one of the seven deadly sins being delivered by a rightie.

"The v.p. does get the deciding vote if there is a tie. I think being a secular leftist is sin too. We are all the same in God's eyes. There is no right or left winger with Him"

Well why is it then that you are ALWAYS telling us that good proper Christians (such as yourself) are always conservative and how people that can't possibly be Christians (Jimmy Carter) because they "hate" on fundamentalists are liberals?

Which one is it?

I NEVER said we were always conservative! The fact is more of us are Democrats than Republicans. And I question Jimmy's own faith if he is going to prove it by blasting everyone of us who are conservative Christians. Jesus would never do that. The hate comes just as much from liberals! You see we are all the same in God's eyes. Without Him in our lives we all have some hate!

He blasted people like you because people like you are idiots and an embarrassment to real Christians like Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter is a TRUE God fearing man who gives back to the people who need it the most. anyone who thinks otherwise is a SINNER and will burn in HELL of eternity!

Jimmy thinks if you are a Conservative you will burn in Hell forever. He thinks Heaven is reserved for liberals like him.

Reagan always thought that Liberals were scum and deserved to die.... Just like DUHbya, DICKster and Turdblossom. Oh that's right... They've been the best leaders of our time...
LOL!
Maybe Jimmy was right. Hell is for SINNERS....

No I think Jimmy meant that Hell was meant for Conservatives which is really the same thing isn't it Trix? I believe that we are all the same in God's eyes, but I am not sure if Jimmy thinks so.

Oh, so we are equal then?

I believe we are. But gays don't have the right to marry so if thats what you really mean there I am not biting. I am sure thats what you mean.

Your hatred towards gays is shameful.

Like you have any room to talk. Your a racist jerk.

You're the racist jerk, cockcheese. You've yet to respond to Skeptical's challenge, and we know why.

Pot say hello to the Kettle.

Author: Reinstatepete
Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 5:46 pm


Your hatred towards gays is shameful.


Ditto for your hate forChristians! Why do you think I hate gays because I don't want them to marry? Thats really sick Pete!

Author: Cochise
Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 5:47 pm


Like you have any room to talk. Your a racist jerk

I agree

Author: Reinstatepete
Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 5:53 pm


You're the racist jerk, cockcheese. You've yet to respond to Skeptical's challenge, and we know why.

itsbecause it wasn't a challenge worth responding to

Author: Reinstatepete
Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 5:53 pm


You're the racist jerk, cockcheese. You've yet to respond to Skeptical's challenge, and we know why.

itsbecause it wasn't a challenge worth responding to

You still can't figure out the spellcheck, edit or delete features, can you, Einstein?