Hey Guys, I wanted to just check out for a while. Still do, sort of. After a few e-mails and some thinking I realized there are really only a few options going forward:

-fight it (isn't gonna work with this guy, he is the definition of conviction!)

-ignore it (hard, but necessary)

-deny it (Leave and let him essentially win over nothing.)

-join it. (Are you fricking kidding me?)

Comes down to this. Lots of good people here. We've lost a few over time, got them back, etc... for a few cycles. This is the overall intent of people like Wayne. If they can disrupt the conversation, they can feel better having seen their vision of things dominate.

"Somebody else will just replace me.." --that should be all any of us needs to know.

Truth has nothing to do with it, nor does honesty and overall character. It's all about just making enough noise to deny everyone that does not swallow the same dogma whole a venue for conversation.

Any solid conversation on the issues that is factual in even a minor way is a threat to the dogma. Threats bring with them the potential for the possibility that the dogma might be flawed and wrong and or not accepted.

Threats must be handled in any way possible to preserve the illusion of legimitacy.

It's all a group mindset thing. Having enough people sharing the dogma means not having to face the social stigma normally associated with this shit. Frankly, Wayner needs some company or he's gonna feel like he's out in the cold.

It's a one way street. If we give him the attention, his views are aired here period. having them here at the expense of others is good. Having them here in volume is good. Anything that results in a net gain for his dogma is good. No holds barred.

After coming to my senses about this, (thanks to those who e-mailed me!) Skep, Andrew and others are spot on. I've done harm by doing what I did and am sorry for that. Can't hit the ball every time after all. This what a big old strike on my part. Thought if I hammered him enough, he might reconsider. That's not gonna happen --well maybe it might have, but I just don't have it in me to really strike that deep... (And I shouldn't really.)

So I'm gonna ignore where it makes sense to do so. But I'm not gonna do it in such a way that diminishes what is otherwise solid conversation with all of you here.

Some of us have done a solid job leading by example. I plan to follow your lead and be better for it. I encourage all of you to do the same. He will do what he does. If it really does not matter, in having an effect on things here, then he will tire and leave, but it's gonna be a while. (that sucks)

Frankly, a lot of us were here first and have all contributed to the value of this place. There is no fricking way we should let one sorry person devalue it to their net gain. We are this forum and I personally value it. I value it more than my own pride. Sorry for the harm folks, the healing has begun!

I wish we had not scared Herb away and I want Wayner to stay too. No matter how bad we treat each other, this forum has value because it forces us to think even harder sometimes to defend our positions.

I, Mrs. Merkin, pledge to do the same.




X
(Her signature)

Who doesn't need company? I of course welcome it. But I can't control what people think of me. I appreciate what has been said. I also wish Herb would come back. We don't agree on much but we should be able to respect each other. For me there is no hard feelings at all with any of you personally and I hope the feeling is mutual. Our disagreements are political and not personal. Sometimes the foul language does affect me personally.

P.S.

I was referring to Missing's post.

MM

Wayne, let me make this perfectly clear.

I've some seriously bad feelings on my end. Gonna be with me for a really long time. Our differences are personal because you use your claim of faith to justify advocating harm to others.

The only excuse is profound ignorance and sadly, you've shown enough smarts for this not to be true.

Does the foul language hurt a little?

Good.

Fuck off. Seriously. Just take your shit and go where the others enjoy the stink.

thats your problem if you don't want to believe not mine. I can't make you believe. When you use bad language it hurts you too. I have never tried to force anything on you. I guess the only way to NOT force anything is to not say anything at all. But thats censorship. You may silence me but there are plenty more of us around who are less patient than I am and will try anything to convert you. Respect is not a one way street.

Damn! My tongue is BLEEDING.



Must...stay...the...course!

Hey Mrs. M

Take a look at the thread "To Hot For TV! Commercials you will never see on air!"

The woman driving the yellow car in my last post reminded me of you.....what do you think.....any similarities there??

blood on the floor here too.

Missing, as always, a thoughtful post. I would suggest cooling the language if you want to make your points with Wayne.

BTW; I've figured the whole deal out concerning Wayne! Remember, he retired from the USPS last year or so? So now he has too much time on his hands. He needs a hobby! Or another job! Something to take him away from watching FOX News Spews all day and night.

Wayne, I suggest putting your faith into action and volunteering at the homeless shelters, the Salvation Army, Food Bank, something like that. It'll do you and us a world of good.

I'm serious by the way.

There are no points to be made. Might as well be real about it and get the thearaputic value.

I think you are close to spot on. He's gettin' the word out now full time.

I do plenty of voluntering thank you. I am sure the reason you say that is you don't want any conservative to express his views on this board do you, Warner? The libs claim that they believe in free speech but they aren't really for it are they? They want to censor anyone who has a different view then they have. Isn't that why this thread was started at all? You may silence me but there are plenty of others like me out there.

Not only do the liberals not want to hear opposing viewpoints, they don't want religious posts either. Liberals want a Godless society where everyone worships the Democratic Party. Tax the hell out of everyone, then let them pray to the Democrats for handouts. All good flows from a Democrat controlled federal government.

That's crap Deane and you know it.

It's never changed here:

Have a view? Great, Support it and it's all good.

No support? No credence, it's that simple.

As for the religion, go read through the many fine threads covering the topic here.

Legislating it is un-American, that's the only application of Religion that's ever been dissed on this board.

Yeah, Deane, and all you Republicans want to make the American government a theocracy, the Jesus States of America, where you put everyone who doesn't agree with the Leader into reeducation camps and institute the death penalty for expressing any sort of dissenting opinion. You also want to abolish all taxes and let poor people starve and be denied medical care if they can't afford it.

Right?

Andrew

Not only do the conserevatives not want to hear opposing viewpoints, they don't want religious posts either. Conservatives want a Godless society where everyone worships the Republican Party, whose top leader thinks he is God. No Jews or Muslims need apply. Tax the hell out of everyone, then let them pay the Republicans handouts. All bad flows from a Republican controlled federal government.

The GOP are the ones taxing the hell out of us by piling billions and billions of dollars onto the debt each year. That money has to be paid back, with interest.

On a seperate note, I say we INCREASE the foul language. It's Wayne's kryponite.

Sounds like the "Borg". Resistance is futile...you will be assimilated. Or remember the subliminal messages in the movie "They Live", "Eat" "Obey Authority" "Reproduce". Only difference I see is that in the movie the aliens just wanted to chow down on humans and that politicians just want to chew on everyones wallets. Bottom line is that either of them are taking huge bites out of everyone, both just as painful and all you have to show for it in both cases is a pile of shit at the end!
Politics today is a pile of crap! Whatever happened to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? Anymore today, and I don't care which party it is, it is all about "Show me the Money" or "Lets screw anything that Moves"!

Sorry....had to vent there a little bit....

I agree with you. I don't think we have "government by the people" anymore. Its all about money and power.

By Radioblogman on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 1:35 pm:
Not only do the conserevatives not want to hear opposing viewpoints, they don't want religious posts either. Conservatives want a Godless society where everyone worships the Republican Party, whose top leader thinks he is God. No Jews or Muslims need apply. Tax the hell out of everyone, then let them pay the Republicans handouts. All bad flows from a Republican controlled federal government.


you did such a beautiful job of describing the liberals. They show time and time again that they have no desire for any debate with a conservative. They think they are mini Gods. The libs only solution for life's problems is higher taxes and bigger government. The libs preach "moral values" but there is only one "moral value" that matters to libs, and that is our votes.

Did anyone hear anything?

I didn't.

Wayne:

I think you wanted to refer to this one:
Not only do the liberals not want to hear opposing viewpoints, they don't want religious posts either. Liberals want a Godless society where everyone worships the Democratic Party. Tax the hell out of everyone, then let them pray to the Democrats for handouts. All good flows from a Democrat controlled federal government.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. It is these you ought to have practiced without neglecting the others."

- Matthew 23:23-23

Jesus had some very strong language for the those who used religion to control people. Good people. Though it may not look like it Jesus is swearing. The person who eventually was translating Jesus’ word probably chose to use some different words because of societal norms of the day, but, Jesus in this verse is in essence dropping his own F-bomb on the religious leaders. Sometimes in order to make your point you need strong language and Jesus really let the religious leaders have it in this verse.

So Pete is some ways you’re correct about vulgarity, but it must be used effectively.

OMG.....Eureka....I have found it.....
The motivation behind each and every politician today: Man it was so simple....

"All I want is less to do, more time to do it, and higher pay for not getting it done."

>>>"All I want is less to do, more time to do it, and higher pay for not getting it done."


Sounds like a labor union motto to me.

The question is, Deane, why do you and your Republican pals want to lock people up in reeducation camps?

Andrew

Huh?

LOL! My suggestion makes as little sense as yours above about what Liberals supposedly believe, Deane.

Andrew

deane, do you realize the troll here is undoing the very things you hold dear to your heart? People like Chris has made me back off a bit on my thoughts on people with strong religious views, sort of reminding me that there is a human behind every one them. yet the troll has me realizing that human or not, they're dangerous and they need to be choked off at full throttle.

By Radioblogman on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 2:17 pm:
Wayne:

I think you wanted to refer to this one:
Not only do the liberals not want to hear opposing viewpoints, they don't want religious posts either. Liberals want a Godless society where everyone worships the Democratic Party. Tax the hell out of everyone, then let them pray to the Democrats for handouts. All good flows from a Democrat controlled federal government.


I think you hit the nail right on the head. Democrats think that they are the only ones who have any good in them. The reason they want no religion in America is so that anything goes. The only "moral values" liberals care about are our votes and our pocketbook.

By Skeptical on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 3:34 pm:
deane, do you realize the troll here is undoing the very things you hold dear to your heart? People like Chris has made me back off a bit on my thoughts on people with strong religious views, sort of reminding me that there is a human behind every one them. yet the troll has me realizing that human or not, they're dangerous and they need to be choked off at full throttle.


But you need to realize that religious people are human too. We all are human. Yet some liberals have the notion that all Christians are perfect but thats just not true. What I question about this whole story is its timing. 4 days before an election? The story had only one purpose in being told at all: To keep Christians away from the voting booths. Thats not happening

reinstate, I'm agreeing with warner and friends, we need to decrease the foul language here -- not because its better for controlling trolls, but rather, because it will keep people who we WANT to visit this side from drifting away.

Trolls are best simply ignored. Like now.

Yep. Too much of it is not a good thing.

I'm in support of that. Some is totally permissible and relevant at times. I know I've been personally slipping in this regard!

I think its amazing that you keep avoiding me and yet you keep answering me. I wonder why that is?

Deane may not admit it, but you know even he can't stand the troll. It must be frustrating when the troll makes such obvious factual errors that even Deane can't let slip by. It must be embarrassing to have to be on the same side with him.

Andrew

Never thought about that!

It's like that really embarrassing family member. The one that you just want to not know, but just do.

That's funny actually!

There are plenty of people who consider themselves on the right side of center in a lot of areas who can think for themselves and not come across as an uneducated Bible-thumping heathen.

Wayne just does not come across that way. I have yet to see where he comes up with an idea or any logic to anything that isn't DIRECTLY tied in to the rabble-rousing ramblings of his Church. I have seen Deane make valid points in the past, I am sure there are others of us on the right who come up with valid arguments.

If Wayne wants to be taken seriously, he HAS to stop with the preaching and pushing the legislation of HIS morals and ethics. I don't know if he has a grasp of how dangerous a society led by one religion is.

I like Wayner!!!
I WILL continue to converse with him and FIGHT back and forth about what we think.

Okay, we were doing pretty well here, now it's sunk to the depths again. I'm out. I tried. I gave Wayne a positive suggestion. I never nor did anyone else say we don't want "conservatives" to voice thier opinion. I and others here have stated we are Christian and attend some sort of church, but no, Wayne and Deane just steamroll right over the words we post and chant thier same, tired, lazy rhetoric. It's just sad, and depressing. This country is doomed if we don't get out of this polarized mess.

We are polarized. But both sides are equally guilty of that.I don't doubt that there are Christians who are Democrats. Its okay to not like Bush. But can't we respect the people we don't like? The left in America also use the same old rhetoric. They never say anything new. Its as if they are reading from a script.




I like you too Trix, you are my buddy even though we disagree thats okay with me.When are you on the radio? I should call you sometime if you are!

What do you want me to do, Brian? Say nothing at all? So this thread will have only liberals in it?

"What do you want me to do, Brian? Say nothing at all? So this thread will have only liberals in it?"

No, not at all.

Some logic and thinking would be helpful though. I mean, do you have thoughts and ideas of anything you have outside of what you get from church? Please understand that, while most people in America are Christian, most of those people don't want religion running their government, and that EVERYONE is entitled to worship who they choose in a manner which they choose (as long as it isn't harmful to themselves or others. Hanging people off of trees "in the name of God" doesn't qualify.) It's not that we dislike you or even your ideaology, it has to do with you pushing the same religious matter down our throats when we don't WANT it pushed down there.

It's just like Iraq now and Vietnam 35 years ago, in trying to help people that don't WANT our help.

When have I ever "pushed" anything? Have I ever said "believe or else?" I know there are Christians who do that. But its a bit unfair of you to lump me with them. I shouldn't take the fall if somebody else has been pushy or not. If you don't want to believe its your funeral. All I can do is share what I believe and why I believe. And its a bit unfair to compare Iraq to Vietnam. Nixon pulled our troops out of there under pressure from the Democrats. Its the same Dems who are trying for that in Iraq. But we haven't pulled out of Iraq yet. It would be a big mistake if we left Iraq now. The presence of Iran would be the big factor. I admit we may need to make changes in Iraq. Changes often happen during a war.

I don't dislike you at all personally either.

Now is a very good time to exercise your willpower, people.

Commencing will power . . . this goes for you too TRIX!

say, brianl is a right-leaning poster in this forum and serves as an excellent example of how to do meaningful discourse.

I only use the will power that the wife allows me to have and also allows me to use it. In marriages that last any length of time it is because men realize that they have no will power unless your wife tells you you do and that the only reason you will ever win a fight is because she wants you to but will never tell you that. Bottom line is men are just like bulldozers and women are the operators. The man does not know what to do without the operator! LOL
Sad but true!

"brianl is a right-leaning poster in this forum and serves as an excellent example of how to do meaningful discourse."

Thanks ... just trying to discuss something I enjoy (politics) without the mudslinging and bashing of others.

Is it really so damned hard people? I mean c'mon, I think we ALL are in it for the betterment of ourselves and our communities, no matter what the course of action is.

"And its a bit unfair to compare Iraq to Vietnam. Nixon pulled our troops out of there under pressure from the Democrats. Its the same Dems who are trying for that in Iraq. But we haven't pulled out of Iraq yet. It would be a big mistake if we left Iraq now. The presence of Iran would be the big factor. I admit we may need to make changes in Iraq. Changes often happen during a war."

Nixon won the Presidency in 1968 with the promise of a protracted removal of forces from Vietnam. He was determined to get out of there, but at the same time he was determined to save face while doing it. May I remind you that under Nixon's watch we bombed Hanoi into the stone ages under Rolling Thunder II and we also invaded Cambodia. We left Vietnam when we FINALLY had an agreement with Hanoi, with a little help from the olive branch Nixon extended to Red China. Where the Democrats showed their lack of wanting was when Hanoi broke the treaty and invaded the South, and eventually took over Saigon. President Ford was forced to sit there and do nothing because Congress refused to release the funds to help the South. May I remind you that it was two Democrats (Kennedy and LBJ) who GOT us into the mess in Vietnam in the first place, and it was Johnson who escalated it to where we had almost 500,000 troops on the ground at a time there. Don't tell us it was the Democrats who pushed us OUT of Vietnam when it was the Democrats who put is squarely IN Vietnam.

Wayne - look at the mess in Iraq. What exactly are we accomplishing? Are we REALLY trying to establish a democracy there? Who are we kidding? Once again it's "America's way is the best way, come hell or high water" and the Iraqis aren't buying. Is it to secure the country and make it a safer place for the citizens? Explain 600,000 Iraqi civilian deaths since the start of the conflict, and the DAILY terrorist happenings that weren't there beforehand. Bush wants to "stay the course". WHAT THE HELL IS THE COURSE?!? Could somebody PLEASE tell us that? Now Iraq wants us to back away from all security crossings and borders. Yeah, we are really wanted there.

The war is being run by a bunch of bean-counting suits in DC, not by the leaders on the ground. Bush shows no interest in changing that, and until he does we will continue to lose the war in Iraq ... much like we ultimately lost the war in Vietnam.

We got rid of an evil dictator named Saddam. Was that a bad thing to do? Should Iraq have had the elections it did? And you are dead wrong about DC running the war, its the generals and the commanders in Iraq that are running the war. I get the feeling you want the US to lose the war on terror. Should we pull our troops all out and leave the middle east in Iran's hands? How would that solve anything?

I posted this URL under the thread named "The Beat Goes On" It may be better suited here.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_critics_8

"Should we pull our troops all out and leave the middle east in Iran's hands? How would that solve anything?"

Should we pull out? Absolutely. There is no sense in us being there whatsoever, we are not helping anyone in any way, shape or form. The best way to support our troops is to bring them home and concentrate on getting bin Laden in Afghanistan, where our focus should have been the whole damned time.

I guarantee that if Iran tries anything cute by invading Iraq (which they won't, they desire Israel, not Iraq), there will be a coalition force similar to what was sent to get Saddam out of Kuwait. Won't happen. Nice try.

And if it's the generals and commanders running the show in Iraq, they need to be recalled because they clearly are failing to do the job at hand.

Great posts, Brian! Keep 'em coming.

I second that. Glad to have 'ya!

Should we pull out? Absolutely. There is no sense in us being there whatsoever, we are not helping anyone in any way, shape or form. The best way to support our troops is to bring them home and concentrate on getting bin Laden in Afghanistan, where our focus should have been the whole damned time.

you sound like you really are rooting for the terrorists aren't you? Don't you know what you are asking here? Do you want Iran to take over the region? DO you have any idea what that will do to our gas prices?

I guarantee that if Iran tries anything cute by invading Iraq (which they won't, they desire Israel, not Iraq), there will be a coalition force similar to what was sent to get Saddam out of Kuwait. Won't happen. Nice try.

again do you want the terrorists to win? It sure sounds like it. If we leave Iraq then the terrorists will join Iran in taking over the area, and then the US will be next. Would you welcome another 9-11? Have you forgotten what happened that day


And if it's the generals and commanders running the show in Iraq, they need to be recalled because they clearly are failing to do the job at hand.

they need to stay there otherwise the terrorists will take over. Is that what you want to happen? I notice nobody has denied that!

"you sound like you really are rooting for the terrorists aren't you? Don't you know what you are asking here? Do you want Iran to take over the region? DO you have any idea what that will do to our gas prices? "

"again do you want the terrorists to win? It sure sounds like it. If we leave Iraq then the terrorists will join Iran in taking over the area, and then the US will be next. Would you welcome another 9-11? Have you forgotten what happened that day"

"they need to stay there otherwise the terrorists will take over. Is that what you want to happen? I notice nobody has denied that!"

As long as you put words in my mouth (err ... keyboard) and refuse to think or say anything logically or with thought, I am done with you.

Good day.

You haven't denied anything I have suggested so thats probably what you really want. It sounds to me like you hate America as well as Bush.

I offer a compromise to this....listen up you jugheads in government!!!!

Take our troops out of harms way but not completely out of the country. Keep them close enough for a short period of time and let them take over security on their own. Should IRAN try to pull something our troops will be there to kick ASS and take no prisoners. If all goes well then begin binging our people home. We do not need ground troops to insure against IRAN invading......cripes leave a couple of carrier groups on station to gaurd against that.

Damn.....it ain't hard people....just pull back....not pull out....start giving them the responsibilty to run there own damn country!

VENT!!!! VENT!!!!! VENT!!!!!

ooohhmmmmm.....ooohhhmmm.......calm....bp going back to normal..........

First decent post I have seen all evening!

Wayner ignorantly said>>>
You haven't denied anything I have suggested so that's probably what you really want. It sounds to me like you hate America as well as Bush.

That's the biggest POS I have ever read on this message-board in 3 years!
Wayner.... I think your the one that hates America and what it stands for. You want everyone who DOESN'T think your way silenced. How is that America??? You and Ill would make great friends....

I LOVE America I think its the greatest country in the world and so are our troops. We have the best president under the conditions in the world that we have. I would suggest that YOU, Trix, are the one along with the rest of the liberals who want those who are conservatives to be silenced. I want an honest debate. But you only want a debate with people you agree with. I think you would probably fight for the Taliban if it came right down tow it.

Trix, I'm begging you...

TRIX, PLEASE!!!! I'll even sell some of my cars to let you be numero uno in the pdxradio.com vehicle tally!

OK

Wayne: You can still hate George Bush and love America. I was no Nixon fan when I volunteered for Vietnam, but I wanted to serve my country the way my Dad did in WWII.

You don't have to agree with Bush to not hate him. I disagreed with Clinton on everything but I still supported him. We need to be united in this war against terror. I don't mean we agree. But we have a serious enemy that we are dealing with who will be paying close attention to the election. We don't want to appease those people we need to defeat them

Thanks Trix!

If you need to hammer on somebody, hammer me! I'm up for it you dog!

I'm sorry Wayne, but I really do hate George Jr. I thought his Dad was a great president and by comparison every other Republican president was better than Jr. The reason I hate him is because he hides from us behind only his supporters and then says he never hears anything bad about him. He is dishonest and conniving and will be historically the worst president we ever had.

Thats a shame if you hate a president that much. I never hated Clinton although I feel his administration was the most corrupt in history. We should be able to separate our hatred from our disagreement here. As Christians we are supposed to support and pray for our leaders. When Paul wrote that in Romans 13 do you know who the leader was? Thats right the evil Nero. I bet you don't think Bush is that bad. At least I hope you don't.

Wayne, until Jr. came along I always thought like Will Rogers Jr. that I had never met a man I did not like. I cannot help having the feelings I have for Bush Jr. I do not like hating anyone, even those who on this site raise my ire, but Bush Jr. is as close to the devil as anyone can be, save for Saddam, Bin Laden and the like who truly are the devil.

So would you say that Bush is worse than Saddam? Isn't that streching it a bit? I still get the feeling that many here think Saddam is the hero of the conflict and Bush is the enemy. Thats pretty sick in my opinion. Just because we don't like a leader is no reason to say he is a devil. Bill Clinton comes closer to that to me than anybody.

No Wayne, you misread, Bush Jr. is still a better guy than Saddam, Bin Laden, etc. I would give up my life to save him if he were attacked by those guys.

Well you can't be all bad if thats where you are at. From the posts I have seen some would disagree with even that!

(staying out)(gritting teeth)

Oh, God. Ditto.

Blogman said>>>
No Wayne, you misread, Bush Jr. is still a better guy than Saddam, Bin Laden, etc. I would give up my life to save him if he were attacked by those guys.


But ONLY those guys in my case.....

WPE!!!!

What do you think? Is Bush worse than Saddam?

Nope..
Sodomy wasn't one of OUR Presidents was he???
"DUH"bya is and he is just down right AWFUL!
I'd take Taft and Cleveland back in a heartbeat over DUHbya. Hell, I'd even take GDUHbya back for 4 years just for fun over this joker DUHbya...
Sodomy is in a good place now. Death is a very good place for him. But Wayner... What about your hero Ill? What about the things that are going on in Africa? How about all the people dying over there because of the political leaders??? Huh????

Where do you get such nonsensical ideas? Bush is fighting (mentally) Ill so why would I support him? I would say you think Ill is a better leader than Bush. Not me.

Wayner IGNORANTLY said>>>
I would say you think Ill is a better leader than Bush. Not me.

Where in the FUCK do you see that in my sentence? Wayne... Sometimes I stick up for you but after that BULLSHIT I'm GD done!
I think your the one that is MENTALLY ILL....

From you thats where. The ill one is you for thinking that both Ill and Saddam are better leaders than Bush. You are the one who said I support Ill which is nonsense and disrespectful which almost all of your posts are.

Fuck off Wayne, NOBODY here has even so much as hinted that either are better leaders than Bush. You're such a fucking moron, it's unbelievable. I've had it with you. If I heard you say things like this in person, I'd knock your teeth out, if you have any to begin with.

Rein, that isn't necessary. You're creating much more negative atmosphere than Wayne is.

Thank you Deane.

Actually, Deane, IT IS necessary. I'm sick and tired of Wayne putting words in my mouth and others here. It does nobody any good, and I've reached the breaking point. Wayne has provided the negative atmosphere, the rest of us are just responding.

OK, enough is enough. Let's all grow up and move on to more important topics.

Its definitly not needed to tell someone to fuck off or call them a fucking moron to get your point across.

you end up coming off as an ass and a jerk.

Mc have you read some of Wayners shit as of late???
For example>>>>>
The ill one is you for thinking that both Ill and Saddam are better leaders than Bush.

Where did I EVER say that? JHC on a popscicle stick.....

ya, I read it all...

I am not supporting what he says, I just dont think that wishing someone dead is the right path to take cause you dont agree with him

Very true......

I think wayne doesn't really understand what "putting words in my mouth" means. We need a conservative to explain it to him.

I do and at least I don't put my foot in my mouth the way some here do. It sure looks to me like many of you are rooting for the terrorists and against America. Rather than deny the claim you keep proving it by your profanity and your smearing. Am I right or not?

Wayner said>>>
I do and at least I don't put my foot in my mouth the way some here do.

You've got to be Fin kidding???? You HONESTLY believe this? OMG!

wayne, you did it again:

"It sure looks to me like many of you are rooting for the terrorists"

who here roots for terrorist?

ans: nobody. You DON'T KNOW what people are thinking.

so why do you say this?

this is putting words in other peoples mouths.



again, if you don't know, DON'T MAKE IT UP!



instead, find facts and provide links and everybody will listen to what you have to say.

You again refused to deny the statement. Why do you refuse to deny what I say? Are you for America or the terrorists?

Wayne, this is ridiculous. Look at what you just typed in response to this question: "I think Wayne doesn't really understand what "putting words in my mouth" means."

"I do and at least I don't put my foot in my mouth the way some here do."

Okay, fair enough. But then Wayne immediately types:

"It sure looks to me like many of you are rooting for the terrorists and against America."

Is this for real?? Wayne, NOBODY I know, here or anywhere, is rooting for the terrorists and against America. Where do you get off accusing anyone of this?

well folks, its no use. back to IGNORE MODE.

God help anyone who has deal with the troll day in day out.

(Maybe that IS where God is spending all his time these days.)