Damn, if only Kerry had lashed out like this in August 2004:

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=:ePkh8BM9E0KzgxVohwELPlsAkqAG2g/0-0-2&fp =45472701f793dcfd&ei=ruBHRbhgtfzBAcj_ocYM&url=http%3A//www.nytimes.com/2006/10/3 1/washington/31cnd-kerry.html&cid=1110780304

I love how the White House and even John McCain went out of their way to intentionally misinterpret Kerry's slam of Bush as being an insult to the troops. Kerry said in a speech, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” Clearly Kerry was talking about Bush getting us stuck in Iraq, not about the troops. That's what I thought he meant when I first read the quote. The fact that the GOP is trying to misinterpret the remark shows how desperate they have become.

Andrew

My favorite Kerry line was "Where was Tony Snow when I was slogging through the muck in Vietnam?"

Snow says he was busy playing with dolls, as part of a special ed class, in college, to go fight in the war.

Dolls. In college. So sad. So... Repoublican!

Andrew, I watched Kerry make his statements live. No, he didn't rip Bush a new one. He came off like an arrogent jerk.

This will haunt him for a long time, and won't be bad for the Republicans in this election, though I expect the effect to be minimal.

well you know, unless you're a swift boat liar, anybody with a chest full of medals, even of the band-aid injury types, ought to be able to say what they want.

by the way deane, you weren't around when the swift boaters were attacking their own -- what do you think of the attacks on Kerry then? True or BS?

True, but let's not relive the 2004 campaign. Once was enough.

By the way, Kerry wasn't attacked this time. Whether he intended to or not, he insulted the troops. If Bush had said the same thing, the clamors for impeachment would have already begun.

Even democrats are admitting this was a last minute gaffe. I agree, the effect will be minimal, but is a symptom of why democrats have had so much trouble in recent years.

Any insult to the troops is due to Republicans misinterpretting Kerry's remark on purpose and repeating their "outrage." Let's face it, the Republicans are gasping for air at this point and desperate to latch on to anything to boost their sagging numbers. Even the media has to be saying to each other, "OK, guys, let's throw the Republicans a bone on this one."

The mistake on Kerry's part was in saying something that could be twisted around to mean something he never intended to say. But for some reason, Kerry, known to be intelligent, is held to a far higher standard than Bush, who is already well known for making stupid gaffes so often that people laugh at them. Ha ha, did you hear what Bush said last night??? What a dumbass! Since Bush has this reputation, he gets away with saying stupid shit people all the time and no one can even pretend to take offense and be taken seriously, the way Republicans pretend to be offended at Kerry's remarks and actually do get taken seriously. When Bush claimed late in the 2004 campaign that, "Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country," people just shook their heads...but had Kerry said it, Republicans would demand he be censured by the Senate for suggesting OB/GYNs have sex with their patients.

Andrew

ahem, can we say double standard?

This whole thing is a result of the GOP's desperation. It's completely obvious that Kerry was referring to Bush, NOT the troops. The fact that they are taking something so far out of context proves they're backs are against the wall. It's shameful, yet obvious.

This morning, Imus told him to go wind surfing!

That's pretty funny.

The problem with Kerry is that most informed people understand his meaning. Your joe bag 'o dougnuts is 50 / 50 at best.

What really revealing is the pro GOP noise machine is less than honest about the issues. They cannot do the right thing because there are too many lies and manupulations to uphold. Let even one pass in a moment of honesty and character and it all starts unspinning pretty quick.

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Yah. Most informed people.

Assfucks.

You're right, a lot of assfucks have misinterpretted Kerry's remarks on purpose.

Andrew

Only the stupidest of people could think his remarks have been misinterpreted. It's all part of his disdain for the military and national security that causes it to slip out. What is there about "if you study hard and get an education you can get ahead, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq" that's possible to misinterpret?

John Kerry, the gift to Republicans that keeps on giving.

and it'd be really "hard" to misinterpret what Bush is trying to say, occasionally

"Who could have possibly envisioned an erection -- an election in Iraq at this point in history?" --George W. Bush, at the white House, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2005

Quick, change the subject away from Kerry.

I didn't know you were stupid, Deane - but thanks for coming clean on that.

Even Bill O'Reilly, of all people, realized that Kerry wasn't smearing the troops. The problem is, Deane, you didn't read his remarks in context like I did or you are pretending not to. While I can see now how easily people could misinterpret what Kerry said, I first read his quote in context as part of his speech, and what he was saying made perfect sense.

Remember what happened when the media showed the last few seconds of the Rodney King beating over and over again, without showing the first ten minutes where King kept taking swings at the cops and refused to be subdued? Do you think the public would have had had a different impression of the King incident if they'd all been forced to watch the whole thing and not just the last few seconds?

Same thing with Kerry's speech: had you seen his preceding remarks where he was slamming Bush, like I did, you would have understood his meaning immediately (at least if you were honest about it). I guess some people who hate the LAPD didn't care about the King context either and were just looking for another excuse to bitch about the cops, in the way the Republicans are piling on Kerry about this remark.

As Al Franken said this morning: Kerry's speech was a botched joke. Frankey read the actual written text of Kerry's speech, which unfortunately Kerry wasn't reading, and so he skipped some of the words...and in the text Kerry was beyond question talking about Bush. As Franken said, it wasn't a great joke anyway but it would at least have been better understood had Kerry read it correctly. It's too easy to take these little snippets out of context.

Now, my question is, why did the "liberal media" pile on along with the Republicans? Were they just feeling guilty about having reported all the Republican gaffes of the last few weeks and felt a need to show they were somehow not biased? Only the New York Times (for a change) got this one right - that's where I first read Kerry's remarks (in context). Even though it's absolutely clear what Kerry meant if you do more than a cursorly listen or read of his remarks, the media, even MSNBC, simply parroted the Republican spin. Yeah, so much for your beloved "liberal media."

Andrew

Kerry didn't use the best judgment in showing off his minimal joketelling abilities, but if a fraction of the idiotic things that have come from W's mouth were blown up to the magnitude the one line Kerry uttered has been, it'd be clear to the country what a buffoon W. is.

Deane, why do you think George W. Bush came out in favor of OB/GYNs having sex with their patients? What else could he have possibly meant when he said, "Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country?" Only a stupid person wouldn't realize that that's what Bush meant.

Or is Bush just held to a much lower standard by the media than Kerry is because people are used to Bush saying stupid things and expect Kerry to be intelligent?

Andrew

The GOP has reached a new level of panic and desparation.
I find the entire incident humorous.
It reinforces my feelings that there isn't a single Republican politician that isn't as low as spider poop.

Well, the Republicans must be thanking their lucky stars that they have gotten this much media attention about the Kerry flap, because now voters aren't thinking as much about Mark Foley, corruption in Washington, or the fiasco in Iraq in the days before the vote. Republicans would love all the weekend news shows to be talking about this: does Kerry really hate the troops? Yes or no...for the next hour. Because that's what it really comes down to in this mid-term election...

Andrew

The Dems tried hard to get the Foley thing off the ground, but nobody cared. The Republicans don't need to do much with the Kerry thing. It's pissed everyone off all by itself, especially the military.

The photo from the troops in Iraq is priceless and certainly shows how they interpreted the statement.

Actually the Dems said almost nothing about the Foley thing except that there should be an investigation into what the leadership knew and when. The Washington Times and other conservative leaders were the ones calling for Hastert's resignation - but somehow, you probably think that the Washington Times editorial was part of "Dems trying to get the Foley thing off the ground" huh?

And you're wrong, according to polls: voters were apparently appalled by the way the Republicans in the House handled the Foley scandal and it showed. The question is, will that translate into votes on November 7?

Andrew

The Repubs are so far behind in the House polls it doesn't matter what story the media focus is on. The large majority of Americans see Iraq as the main issue, and the situation there is dismal. Many independents are going to vote against the Republicans, period. Many right wing evangelicals aren't going to vote. The shrub and his henchmen fooled the public one time too many.

The real race is in the senate.

With the internet becoming a major source for opinions and ideas, the power of traditional media, still strong mind you, is diminished with each passing election cycle.

Andrew, I know for a fact you're an intelligent person, but it seems that you can turn it on and off at will.

When the Foley thing came up, the noise out of Nancy Polosi and Dingy Harry, among others, could drown out the sound of a 747 on take-off.

Apples and oranges. Foley may be a criminal. Bush and Cheney may be impeached. Kerry can't read his own script.

Pot calling kettle black. Bush holds the record for most misspeaks of any president ever. Listing them all takes more space then we are allowed in one post.

Republicans are being sore losers, and they haven't even lost, yet.
But lose they will. They have brought corruption to new levels in Washington, D.C. and now they are going to pay just like the Dems did in '94.

Will the next generation of power be any different?

I sure hope so.

Yes, even Bill O'Lielly admited HE KNOWS Kerry wasn't slamming the troops. It's obvious Kerry was slamming Bush for not doing his homework on Iraq, and now he's stuck.

Folks, this is just another GOP smear job. It's Kerry's bad for allowing the GOP the opportunity to twist his words around, but let's face the facts, Kerry was talking about Bush, not the troops. Anyone who thinks otherwise is mistaken, and painfully desperate at this point in the election.

What was the Kerry "joke" supposed to be? I think people forget that when he insulted the President the way he did it does affect our troops too. Whether or not he meant the "joke" to be about Bush makes very little difference. I understand even Hillary has spoken against the comment and so have some other Democrats. I wonder what impact it will have on the election.

Kerry and Lieberman have done more to hurt the Democrats better than any Republican could.

It is no wonder we cannot take back control of this country, with leaders like that.

Wayne, the joke was supposed to be that if you don't do your homework and study, you get stuck in Iraq.

George Bush did not "do his homework and study" when he decided to invade Iraq. This has been well documented by the fact that he didn't realize the differences between the different sects, and also evident by the fact that there was no plan in place to deal with an insurgency. Remember, they thought we would be greeted with candy and flowers. Had Bush et al done their homework and studied, we may not be stuck in Iraq.

Overall, I don't think this will have much effect on the vote, if any. John Kerry isn't on any ballot this fall.

What Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said about Iraq:

�You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don�t, you get stuck in Iraq.�

What his spokesperson, Amy Brundage, said Kerry�s prepared text called for him to say:

�Do you know where you end up if you don�t study, if you aren�t smart, if you�re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.�

So Deane, still think this was directed at the troops, and not Bush?

I think Kerry just blew any chance he had of ever being nominated for president again, although I think his chances were slim anyway. I'm glad in a way - I don't want Kerry to be the 2008 nominee, and I wouldn't want valuable media time and money spent even talking about Kerry being in the race in 2008.

Andrew

>>>"So Deane, still think this was directed at the troops, and not Bush?"

Spin and you know it. He didn't immediately correct it to that wording. He held a press conference, and never mentioned that wording. He tore into Bush and Rush Limbaugh, who hadn't even been on the air since Kerry made the statements.

It took the Kerry camp a while to come up with that wording to try to gloss over this.

Bullshit Deane. It's obvious from reading the text that you're wrong. Just admit it!

Even Bill O'Lielly knows the truth, and that says a lot about the straws you guys are grasping at.

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By Reinstatepete on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 1:37 pm:
Wayne, the joke was supposed to be that if you don't do your homework and study, you get stuck in Iraq.

George Bush did not "do his homework and study" when he decided to invade Iraq. This has been well documented by the fact that he didn't realize the differences between the different sects, and also evident by the fact that there was no plan in place to deal with an insurgency. Remember, they thought we would be greeted with candy and flowers. Had Bush et al done their homework and studied, we may not be stuck in Iraq.

Overall, I don't think this will have much effect on the vote, if any. John Kerry isn't on any ballot this fall.


from what I heard the "joke" had something to do with the "state of denial." When they showed that on TV I noticed that nobody laughed.
The "joke" implies that all soldiers are dumb which is not true. I would agree that Kerry is probably the best friend the Republicans ever had!

Few people around the contry, including Democrats are coming to Kerry's aid. Only on this forum where the radical liberals can't give up on a North East extremist. Fun to watch.

OK, back to the spinning guys.

flustered deane mustered: "Only on this forum where the radical liberals can't give up on a North East extremist."

I guess I'm not a pdxboard-certified radical liberal then.

I'm not so sure that I believe what he was actually trying to say was all that noble. I'm less inclined to give him any benefit for the doubt as I really want people who say they represent me to be held to a high standard. Although I can admit that he is human, as we all are, I don't buy the premise of " If I had said it they way I was THINKING, you'd all be laughing at a funny joke." I don't think I would have. Not because I am offended or anything - but because I don't care what he has to say.

Until he gives ammo ( and possibly lgitimately so ) to the GOP in what everyone knows is a tight race(s) around the country. Then I care.

STFU!, you moron!

Kerry has finally issued a formal apology to the troops. If this "joke gone bad" bull was true, why wouldn't he have straightened it all out at his press conference and put it to bed. Instead he took off on Bush and Rush Limbaugh. You libs can believe him if you want (you'll believe anything a lib says anyway), but I don't buy it.

Could you imagine if a Republican had made that statement? The liberal media and the Democrats would have him out on his ear! Thats what happened to Tom Delay when he made the remark he did. Yet some liberal extremist from Mass. gets a pass!

Hey, I'm a " lib " and I think he was an idiot for trying to make a dumb joke out of a not funny situation.

Idiot move, there bonehead. How could he not see this coming? Even if the joke WAS funny - why laugh at that right now?

Moron.

So there - quit lumping everyone in with the mindset of " LIberals think liberals can do no wrong!! " It's never been the case - and it's not here.

My Vote if for:
"Tommy Chong For President"

Peace Everyone.......He would have a new round table installed in the White House similar to the one in that seventies show......some real good ideas will come out of those sessions.....so long as they can remember them.
New food staple in the White House./.."Doritos"

I'll side with Bill O'Lielly on this, and you GOP hacks can continue on with your own little "state of denial" on what he said. The truth is in plain text.

By Chickenjuggler on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 3:01 pm:
Hey, I'm a " lib " and I think he was an idiot for trying to make a dumb joke out of a not funny situation.

Idiot move, there bonehead. How could he not see this coming? Even if the joke WAS funny - why laugh at that right now?

Moron.

So there - quit lumping everyone in with the mindset of " LIberals think liberals can do no wrong!! " It's never been the case - and it's not here.


what a statement from a liberal! I hope more libs do what you just did. I agree Kerry should have never told the joke even if it was funny! Like I said it would be dangerous for any Republican to do that.

I thought the joke was both funny, and true. George Bush is stuck in Iraq because he didn't study and do his homework.

However, it left Kerry open to being wrongfully attacked by the GOP smear machine. That's what was dumb on his part. He should have kept to the script that was written for him.

Agreed.

It was a joke, move on. After all, if it was true, Bush and every right wing talk show host would be on the front line.

What was funny about the joke? I saw no humor. It was an attack on both Bush and the troops. Kerry should never have told the joke. We kicked Tom Delay out for telling a joke like that. Why do we treat a Democrat differently for telling a much more insensitive joke like that? And why do you both think our troops are stupid?

aok, ur right. time to move on. don't trip over the looney bin.

Kerry sure seems like the looney tune to me.

Well you have to admit, momentum was in favor of the Democrats. To have one of " our own " ( I almost said that with a straight face ) slow it down, was stupid.

And if it TRULY didn't matter, which it does, then he would not have taken himself off of so many stops of the campaign trail for Democrats. He's not a leper - but he's got a chill and a fever.

I suggest more cowbell for Kerry.

The GOP are the ones bringing the troops into the debate. The GOP are the ones asserting that the troops are dumb. Kerry was talking about Bush, not the troops. So what does that say about the GOP? They're using the troops as a way to elevate themselves. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

Tom Delay was kicked out because he was INDICTED, not because he told a bad joke, dumbass.

NO! Delay was out because he was a REPUBLICAN! No Democrat would ever have lost his seat that way. We both know that Pete! The fact is a Republican does the right thing when he is accused of anything he steps down.Its the policy that Republicans have to do that. No Democrat will step down no matter what the crime! The Republicans take responsibility for their actions. The Demos are the ones living in a "state of denial."

By Chickenjuggler on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 6:36 pm:
Well you have to admit, momentum was in favor of the Democrats. To have one of " our own " ( I almost said that with a straight face ) slow it down, was stupid.

And if it TRULY didn't matter, which it does, then he would not have taken himself off of so many stops of the campaign trail for Democrats. He's not a leper - but he's got a chill and a fever.

I suggest more cowbell for Kerry.


thats probably right. Things were probably going just fine for the Dems until Kerry opened his big mouth. Its not the first time he slammed our military you know. Why do the Dems even have him in their party?

Wayne, you're such a fucking idiot, it's insane. Tom Delay was not kicked out because he's a Republican, he was kicked out BECAUSE HE BROKE THE LAW, AND WAS INDICTED AS A RESULT.

He sure did leave because of his party affiliation! Maybe you need to learn something here: Its party policy that whenever someone is accused of anything that a Republican steps down. But the Democrats will hold on to the same seat even if he is in jail! Why don't the Dems do the honorable thing and step down when they are guilty? The point is whenever there is a joke told there is a totally different standard for a Republican than a Democrat. We both know Kerry would be out if he weren't a Democrat! One thing a Democrat will never do is take responsibility for his mistakes. What he will do is blame the right wingers for it.

THEY ARE ALL CROOKS.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8759

Do you remember Trent Lott telling an "insensitive joke"? Do you remember what happened to him?

leave it to the looney bin to reduce us all to blubbering idiots.

AVOID the troll at all costs!

If Kerry had a made a bigoted comment, then that would be a whole different story.

Those in the reality based world know that the Kerry was talking about Bush, not the troops.

What you forget is that when one attacks Bush the way Kerry did he attacks the troops too. I think we forget that the military is very loyal to our commander in chief. Kerry should have realized that when he told his joke. The best thing he can do is face our troops and apologize to them directly and forget about any political connection. Then at least I would be able to forgive him. What Trent Lott did was far less serious and yet he had to relinquish his senate presidency. Thats a bit unfair I think.

So when the GOP was attacking Clinton regarding Monica, the GOP was attacking the troops too?

Trent Lott is a bigot, which is much more serious than whan the GOP can even make up about Kerry!

"Of course, Senator Kerry said he was just making a joke, and he botched it up. I guess we didn't get the nuance. Actually, he was for the joke before he was against it," Dick Cheney said.

From Fox news. I thought it was funnier than Kerry's joke!

Yeah. Neither one should try and make us laugh. It doesn't suit them.

What would be funny is for both of the to tie one foot up in the air and then try to kick each other in the A$$! I Would buy that on PPV!!!

It was just John Kerry trying to show us all that he has something he in fact does NOT - a personality.

Take a look at some of our armed forces response to Kerry's lame attmpt at humor!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/gore/quee n.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/leftists_in_heaven.htm&h=246&w=1 75&sz=8&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=6Pmn1AgywKKEnM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=74&prev=/images%3Fq%3D hillary%2Brodham%2Bclinton%2Bhumor%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

Try this link instead:

http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/kerry_vs_military.htm

"...the military is very loyal to our commander in chief."

Uh, how about some proof of that?

Look at whos is most loyal to the troops:

http://iava.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2023&Itemid=210

And now you understand why the military hates the democratic party.

Really?

Look again.

The Dems care so little about our military they won't even let them vote! They wouldn't even count the military votes in 2000. Do you know why? Because they voted mostly for Bush!

Wyden over Smith? Wow!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/patriotic-political-military/smar tsoldiers.jpg

Maybe you need to see this if you want to know what our troops think of Kerry

Gosh Wayne, did you not already see it posted above by Joamon?

Yeah, it's all fun and games until those guys come back in a box with flag draped over it.

If that happens they were killed by our enemies not by Bush.

Bush is their biggest enema, excuse me, enemy.


As far as I'm concerned, they're ALL killed by Bush. Women, kids, troops, innocent people, pets.

I wonder what the Collateral Damage casualty count, as opposed to actual terrorist body count is?

ww sez: "If that happens they were killed by our enemies not by Bush."

the iraqis were not our enemies -- they had no WMDs.

The vote in the 2004 election in the military was 81 percent for Bush and 16 percent for Kerry.
How's that for proof?


The WMDS were moved to Syria by your hero Saddam!

By Mrs_merkin on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 5:44 pm:
Bush is their biggest enema, excuse me, enemy.


As far as I'm concerned, they're ALL killed by Bush. Women, kids, troops, innocent people, pets.

I wonder what the Collateral Damage casualty count, as opposed to actual terrorist body count is?



Gee I guess that makes the terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 your heros isn't that right?

Dead wrong (again), you dipstick!

"The vote in the 2004 election in the military was 81 percent for Bush and 16 percent for Kerry. How's that for proof?"


Again, that is not "proof", it's just something you wrote. You need to list a link as to where you found that info.

Do you even understand this concept?

Wayne, I'm asking a serious question here. Are you mentally disabled in some capacity?

Be honest.

Why are you even fooling around with this guy? He's just making shit up on the fly and enjoying jerking you all around. Ignore him unless you just want more and more of this crap from him, endlessly.

Andrew

I think what YOU are laking is honesty. Why do you want proof when no matter what proof I bring up you will trash it? There has been several attempts at proof already which apparently you didn't read. Plus it should be obvious that our troops would support our commander in chief. I mean why wouldn't they? I mean a vote for Bush of 81 per cent would be enough I would think. what do you want me to do? Count each vote separately

By Mrs_merkin on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 8:13 pm:
Dead wrong (again), you dipstick!


you have proven I am right. You show such a hatred for Bush that you probably hate America too and would welcome another 9-11.Especially if you honestly think Bush killed our soldiers! That shows a great deal of disrespect to me for not only America but for our troops

Fuck off.

wayne, seriously, are you mentally disabled in some capacity?

"you have proven I am right."

Oh really?

(Must...control...fist...of...death!!!!!)


What RIP said.

R.I.P. Good way to describe him.

DJ said>>>
It's all part of his disdain for the military and national security that causes it to slip out.

As was DUHbya's choice to send 3,000+ kids to their deaths!

DUHbya - POS!

you gotta admit that everyone is holding kerry to a higher standard of joke delivery than our president.

kerry: smart/unfunny
bush: dumb/unfunny

Totally.

With all the un-American crap we've seen from this administration --the vast majority of whom have never actually served their country, discussing this as if it matters beyond simple matters of candor is Bushing nuts!

Anyone that factors this into their voting is just dumb, period.

My only beef with Kerry is that he's a bit too lofty to be electable. He's plenty smart and has done a lot of good for the nation. Keeping him somewhat quiet right now on that basis is valid. None of this other crap is.

Besides, Thom put it all to rest this morning. Kerry's pre-speech transcript clearly shows the joke aimed at Bush, not the troops.

Given what these clowns have done, dogging the Resident President is some of the best support we can give to the troops. That way they can come home and know it was not their doings that hosed it all up! That's gonna be important for them given the bad outcome.

"There has (sic) been several attempts at proof"

You still don't get it (understatement).

To have any validity regarding your so-called facts, you need to supply the source EVERY time, poo-brain, which apparantly you're unable to do.

Anyway, something you wrote is leading me to agree with Andrew and whomever has else said you are a fake poster, and that you're just yanking our chains.

More proof later...



Thanks Andrew2 for the reminder. I pasted it on my screen. Just say D'oh!

By Trixter on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 12:18 am:
DJ said>>>
It's all part of his disdain for the military and national security that causes it to slip out.

As was DUHbya's choice to send 3,000+ kids to their deaths!

DUHbya - POS!


Bush didn't kill them the enemies did. I ask again and nobody has answered it. Are the terrorists your heros and would you welcome another 9-11? Can you answer the question honestly without profanity? And Kerry got lower grades than Bush did.

Hey Wayne, I think we are ignoring you now. We're not answering your questions. We're not biting on your bait.

Maybe its because what I said was the truth but you don't want to admit it. Bush is the villan and any terrorist is your hero. Thats sick.

You're right, Bush is a villain. Learn to spell, dumbass.

Pretty ironic that Saddam Hussein could be sentenced to death after being tried for the torture and killing of 148...yes, 148, people in Iraq.

BTW, you think there's a lot of violence in Iraq now...wait until Sunday and the sentencing of Saddam Hussein is read.

I suppose you will be on a flight over there to help in that violence.

Take Pete with you aswell, he hates America too.

If I know them they will fight for the Taliban!

How's the malt liquor, cockcheese? That Crazy Horse is crazy shit, eh?

Fromunda!

Here's the deal.

Kerry, while taking a swipe at Bush, ended up with the unintended consequence of taking a swipe at the troops. Honestly, he was trying to show he has two things he DOESN'T - a sense of humor and a personality.

Seriously, if ANYONE ELSE from the Democrats who had the slightest bit of charisma was nominated, methinks that Bush would have been a one-term President just like his papa. H.W. was wildly popular when the who 1992 race started, but here comes this upstart from Arkansas who doesn't set the world afire with new ideas, but comes across as a gregarious, folksy guy who has an every-man appeal and a great sense of humor ... and he ends up winning. By contrast, Dubya comes into 2004 all 31 flavors of dead in the water, unpopular at the time, and the Democrats roll out a cardboard-cutout caricature of a candidate, stiff and aloof and snobbish.

For the love of God, why couldn't have SOMEONE ELSE won the nomination? Hell I would have voted for Pedro in 2004!

I remember wishing Edwards was the lead. He's got some of the spark necessary for this kind of thing.

Maybe '08.

Wayner ignorantly said>>>
And Kerry got lower grades than Bush did.


And Clinton's IQ is 153 while DUHbya's is 91...

What's YOUR point Wayner???

"And Clinton's IQ is 153 while DUHbya's is 91... "

I think you are giving Dubya too much credit. I seriously doubt his IQ is that high.

Yeah, that Yale education did him some good.

By Trixter on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 10:31 am:
Wayner ignorantly said>>>
And Kerry got lower grades than Bush did.


And Clinton's IQ is 153 while DUHbya's is 91...

What's YOUR point Wayner???


Kerry got D's in college. Bush got higher grades. Gore flunked out of Bible school. Maybe thats why Gore became such a liberal. And Clinton is such a pervert who cares what his score was?

"And Clinton is such a pervert who cares what his score was?"

What does Clinton's attraction with chubby interns have to do with his college grades? To be honest, it sure didn't affect what ended up being what will go down as one of the more effective Presidencies ever.

his grades don't matter. He is one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He had nothing to do with the economy. That was the Republicans who brought that about. The President doesn't spend a dime. If the economy was Clintons why did Bush win twice?

Too bad for WW that that "pervert" Clinton only had "I did not have intercourse with that woman" kind of sex with a chubby intern and a cigar, rather than lying about paying for hot gay anal sex while whiffing meth.

Clinton lied before a grand jury and lost his license to practice law. I would say thats serious. Again you expect us to forgive a liberal. But a conservative cannot be forgiven no matter what he does. Thats so hypocritical of the left.

Clinton lied before a grand jury and lost his license to practice law. I would say thats serious. Again you expect us to forgive a liberal. But a conservative cannot be forgiven no matter what he does. Thats so hypocritical of the left.

Sorry about the double post!

Biting...

Oooooh, it's SO hard!

yep, disregard useless commentary that dumbs down the discourse in the forum. have some skittles instead.

Do skittles go good with KoolAid?

Yes, but you gotta mix the right kinds!

Anyone else notice the flavors we normally associate with Blue colors have been changing? It's like we just can't nail this down.

"He is one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He had nothing to do with the economy. That was the Republicans who brought that about."

Oh REALLY?

Let's look at some facts:

-Under Clinton, the economy, for almost his entire presidency, was humming at a historically high level.

-Under Clinton, unemployment was at an all-time low.

-Under Clinton, we had welfare reform which made it so people had to TRY and find work and not milk the system so much. (That should be something near and dear to your heart, Wayne).

-Under Clinton and ONLY Under Clinton, THE BUDGET WAS BALANCED.

-Under Clinton, we had good solid bipartisan leadership from both Congress and the White House. Clinton had the ability to reach across the aisle to the Republicans, an asset he dearly needed after the GOP took over Congress in 1994.

Did Clinton have his faults? Sure, ALL Presidents do. Was he one of the worst Presidents ever? Hardly. History will show him as one of the best.

Something tough for this ol' Republican to say, but I call it as I see it.

holy cow, tom mccall has risen from the grave!

(for you newbies to the state, mccall was a truth telling republican, one of the most respected politicans ever from this state.)

I hardly think of it that way. I just don't see the point of hiding behind this party bias bullcrap and spewing the GOP mantra.

We are allowed to think for ourselves, no?

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By Brianl on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 3:52 pm:
"He is one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He had nothing to do with the economy. That was the Republicans who brought that about."

Oh REALLY?

Let's look at some facts:

-Under Clinton, the economy, for almost his entire presidency, was humming at a historically high level.

-Under Clinton, unemployment was at an all-time low.

-Under Clinton, we had welfare reform which made it so people had to TRY and find work and not milk the system so much. (That should be something near and dear to your heart, Wayne).

-Under Clinton and ONLY Under Clinton, THE BUDGET WAS BALANCED.

-Under Clinton, we had good solid bipartisan leadership from both Congress and the White House. Clinton had the ability to reach across the aisle to the Republicans, an asset he dearly needed after the GOP took over Congress in 1994.

Did Clinton have his faults? Sure, ALL Presidents do. Was he one of the worst Presidents ever? Hardly. History will show him as one of the best.

Something tough for this ol' Republican to say, but I call it as I see it.


there is one thing you forget. The Republicans were in control of all of the spending not the Democrats. Clinton had no choice but to sign the bills. When it came to foreign policy who's bright idea was it to give North Korea all of the money and technology for its nuclear weapons? In return their leader was supposed to promise not to build one. But did that stop Ill? Not hardly. It was Clinton who was offered Bin Laden 3 times on a silver platter but denied the chance because Clinton thought Bin did nothing wrong. There might not have been a 9-11 if Clinton had taken Laden when he should have. How about Waco and the cult that burned itself to the ground? That was not something Clinton handled very well. What did Clinton accomplish by bombing Kosovo? About a million or so people died because of that. And Rwanda had a civil war in which millions died and Clinton turned a deaf ear. No Clinton was not only a pervert he was a bad president. He had a bad recession too when Bush took over.

"The Republicans were in control of all of the spending not the Democrats."

You mean the SAME Republicans who have led us into all-time record budget deficits NOW?!? Clinton is the one who submitted the budgets to Congress. Congress had to sign off on CLINTON'S BUDGETS!

"When it came to foreign policy who's bright idea was it to give North Korea all of the money and technology for its nuclear weapons? In return their leader was supposed to promise not to build one. But did that stop Ill? Not hardly."

You mean in the same way that the Bush administration has promised to help Iran with nuclear power technology if they forego their current uranium enriching program? Clinton sure as hell didn't do THAT!

"It was Clinton who was offered Bin Laden 3 times on a silver platter but denied the chance because Clinton thought Bin did nothing wrong. There might not have been a 9-11 if Clinton had taken Laden when he should have."

And your proof on Clinton being offered bin Laden three times on a silver platter is ... where exactly? Show us some proof, something you seem unable to accomplish. In the meantime, US forces UNDER BUSH had bin Laden trapped and surrounded yet let him get away. I suppose that's Clinton's fault too.

"What did Clinton accomplish by bombing Kosovo? About a million or so people died because of that."

We were part of a UN coalition there, and prove to us once again that a million or so people died. Give us stats and the places to back them up, Wayne. Until then, nobody will believe you.

"nd Rwanda had a civil war in which millions died and Clinton turned a deaf ear."

You mean like the Bush administration and Darfur? Sounds familiar to me.

"No Clinton was not only a pervert he was a bad president."

At least 600,000 innocent Iraqis and some 3,000 Americans didn't die when Clinton lied.

"He had a bad recession too when Bush took over."

Which got a hell of a lot WORSE under Bush.

Anything else you want shot down sir?

We are a whole lot better under Bush thank you. Our economy is great the unemployment is at 4.6 per cent and we haven't been attacked since 9-11. We also have the stock market at an all time high. I guess you don't think a Democrat can break any law do you? Are you that much of a kool aid drinker? Do you want America to go through another 9-11?

"We are a whole lot better under Bush thank you. Our economy is great the unemployment is at 4.6 per cent and we haven't been attacked since 9-11. We also have the stock market at an all time high. I guess you don't think a Democrat can break any law do you? Are you that much of a kool aid drinker? Do you want America to go through another 9-11?"

If memory serves me correct, unemployment was under 4 percent under Clinton.

If you want to think that racking up TRILLIONS of dollars of national debt to pay for an illegal, unjust war in a country that doesn't want us there is better off than it was under Clinton, fine. You think that.

I suppose it's NOT OK for Clinton to stick his ... erm, cigar into an intern's ... never mind. But it's OK for Bush to singlehandedly order a military action based on faulty intelligence that has killed over 600,000 civilians and 3,000 of our finest troops. Great justification there.

Good day.

It wasn't 4 per cent under Clinton! The Republican congress and senate caused that, not Clinton!

Let me ask again: do you want America to be attacked again by our enemies? Thats what would happen with an outright pullout!

And I guess a Democrat can't break the law can he? Only a Conservative can break the law isn't that the bottom line?

Take care.

Wayner IGNORANTLY said>>>
The President doesn't spend a dime. If the economy was Clintons why did Bush win twice?

WTF??? That's just GD stupid Wayner! Really you have NO idea what you are talking about.... CRIPES!!!!
I'm done...
Where's DD's??? Where's Herb???

Thats true no President ever spends anything. Thats the job of Capitol Hill to control the purse strings. I think you need to learn about how our government works Trix.

Government 101...for some reason I still remember this from 12th grade.

The President only can approve or veto expenditures from congress. I believe there may be emergency exceptions, such as war, or natural disasters. Please consult a DC lawyer for further explanation!