Ahh I was holding my breath but no-one on this board actually seemed to care that last week another trend came out.

Albeit that they are ONLY a trend...they do provide interest to everybody on air, programming, in sales and in management.

Over the past months, this board has increasingly been infested with people who have a vague listeners opinion (Trixter) but have zero experience in the industry, have never cracked a mic, written a piece of copy, stood in front of a live audience, produced a spot...hell even got a paycheck with CBS, Entercom, CC , Rose city, Fisher, Pamplin etc on the signature.

And I realise that I'm using Dan's bandwidth for this (apologies)idea but to cut through all the chaff curently clogging his board, I would like a two tier board.

Firstly a genuine "i'm in the industry board" that much like the "service" industry nights has to have proof that you are working in Portland or North west radio..and that has to be supplied to Dan via a recognised station/industry email address. That elite board won't be anonymous but a genuine source of industry enquiry benefitting all subscribers and protected by password.

The secondary board will be for everybody else , like Trixter, who can rant and rave and bore everybody and will provide a brief, laughing stock kind of amusement to the real professionals who have real radio business to do in the city.

A forum that's kind of a losers circle jerk.

Sounds like you have more issues with Trixter than anything else.

What is the policy of CBS, Entercom, Clear Channel, Rose City, Fisher, or Pamplin toward its employees posting on broadcast related Internet boards? I previously worked at Crawford, and although that corporation had no official policy in its employee manual about posting on message boards, I always wondered which of my co-workers might be lurking here.

I am currently working at an electronics company that does have a policy prohibiting its employees from participating in message boards. In practice, they could care less if its employees go on message boards to talk about gardening, politics, radio, religion, etc. What they don't want are their employees going on investors' message boards and giving out insider information, for obvious legal reasons. They also wouldn't be thrilled about employees giving out information that could injure the company's reputation.

arby, ummm . . . no. This forum lives and breathes on its own with very little help from Dan -- a sure fire indication of a successful board.

What you're asking for is more hands-on work from Dan with a dubious payoff -- are you sure the board will remain active if these actions are taken?



arby sez: "A forum that's kind of a losers circle jerk."

I've found some of your posts in that catagory.

Mega-dittos to Chris and Skep.

Doesn't All-Access do the kind of thing Arby is suggesting.......with as much or more trash talking than goes on here?

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Look, I've learned a LOT by being here. TONS. Intangible things and tangible things. I have never worked a day in terrestrial radio. ( Well, that's not entirely true. It's more accurate to say that I never will again ). Do I get grandfathered in or something?

When I first signed up to talk here - that's what I did. Talk ( type - whatever ). But I have to say, I learned a lot more by liststening ( reading - whatever ). And if my pea brain recalls correctly, this board used to be bloated with a lot more ego that it currently sustains. It's settled into a pretty remarkable collection of history, stories, advice and just plain interesting reads. To see that go away would be disappointing to me. Personally.

And not to slam you too hard, but since I suspect that you can take it as much as you dish; Arby, the fact that you would try and call for this under the auspice of some sort of noble cause is wholly transparent and lacking in any crediblity. Your assumed position of being in the radio industry, and therefore with merit to provide some sort of collective need for us, is absolutely laughable.

I have no advice or suggestion for you. I'm just kind of giving you a blank stare. Smirkless and eager to hear you go " OK. I was being dumb. I'm sorry." And then we just chalk it up to, you know, it being a bad idea. And not judging you for it in a few weeks.

Couple more things;

#1. I am going to donate right now. Purely because I think it's time and it's never a bad thing to help. And for the record, it won't be the first time I have donated here. Nor the second. It will be the third. Now you know. You take that with as many grains of salt you wish - heck - accuse me of " buying " my way into some sort of good favor. I don't care. I'm doing it. You can't stop me. If Dan decides to try your idea Arby, then I still will have gotten my money's worth - even if I get httpnotfound/unauthorized/youdontknowthesecretpassword the next time I try and log in.

#2. Industry nights - like Ladies' Nights - are illegal. Your point is not lost on me however. It's just that you chose a poor example. Again.

#3. Have you ever considered that not everybody knows about your personal fued with Trixter? If you did, then why would you expect ANY support to your idea? It's obviously personal. I mean, sure, go ahead and try and drum up support for your campaign. But you can't be shocked if people just kind of go - like Skeptical said " umm...no." I didn't know anything about it. Since I didn't, does that mean I am not paying enough attention to what YOU deem important? Never caught my attention. Not once. But since you cited that as your sole example of why it's a good idea, to that I say - whaaa? Who? And if you did consider that not everyone knows about it - or sees it the way you do - well...you should have.

#4. I would LOVE to hear you extrapolate your ideas to an end-game you stopped short of saying out loud. Specifically;

Name the positions held by people who get to stay.

Name the positions of people who have to go.

Show your work ( Why do they get to stay? Why do they have to go? ).

How would any of these positions of employment be proven? Really. Be specific. Some sort of call from Dan to their employer to verify? Or perhaps you'd do it? Maybe we can be issued some sort of card or code-unlocking-ring. I'm not trying to be funny. I AM being funny. A mark of the beast may help. To me. ( See how having some self-awareness makes things better? ) Tattoos on the forearm. ( OK - that was a low blow and completely asinine. I take that back. I could just go back and delete it - but I like to show that I am not perfect and make mistakes. I'm sorry for that one. That was stupid ). I just really want to see you type out your FULL plan.

Sorry Arbyboy, something about your attitude pisses me off.

You are way out of line. You must be starved in your life for attention, because you will get plenty in this thread.

First, maybe no one cared about your trend thread, whichever one that was. Maybe it was the way you wrote it, maybe just no one was interested. I don't know, nor do I care.

Second, there isn't much to pound your chest about if you work in radio unless your Howard Stern, and even then.... Radio is no longer people centric, and there are few jobs that attract the truly creative agents of a new generation. There are many boards like this on the internet and they are home to many people who passed through the industry back when it was really something to talk about and even more people who never did, but their input and opinion is still mostly worthwhile.

Third, obviously you have no sense of community.

Four, I got many paychecks from numerous broadcasting companies that never lasted, some not as long as I did.

Five, like some in radio you think you know the industry because you pull some shift or produce some spots, etc. All radio is now is a bunch of people programming a computer. And all your precious programming is just swill to fill the void between paid commercials, which go in one ear and out the other. IMO radio deserves people like you, because they have trashed the industry into a place where corporate greed is running out of control.

Six. I've been out of the broadcast industry for 12 years, but I've worked lots of jobs in several markets over 21 years, held management level positions, and taken on many whiners like you both on the internet and in person. I've saved the ass of many G.M.'s and jocks who frankly didn't know squat about which end of the antenna goes into the air, been woken up more times at 3 AM then I care to remember (often for no reason except people like you pressing the wrong button), worked when ill, and never complained about anything except the lack of pay.
But what I don't miss is having to work with jerks like you.

Start your own forum, slick, and you can whine to your hearts content.

Why is Arbyboy Feuding with Trixter? I just don't get it. Trixter even invited Arbyboy to the Beach along with everybody else on this board next Laborday. I dont get why Arby is so bitter.
Those two need to kiss and make up very SOON because it is starting to get ugly!

OK...please don't throw anything at me until I'm done, uh, typing.

I have to admit there have been times I have wished for the same thing as Arby mentions. A place where only radio pros lurk, sharing opinions.

But after time and reading threads it becomes easy to see who the professionals and class acts are here. Sometimes it can be hard, but I'll weed through silly stuff for the gems from Parker, Colin, Semoochie, Rich Johnson, Chris Taylor, Lindsley, Cooper, Kent, Craig and others.

WOW!
BurgerQUEENtwit really likes me!
He does!!!! He does!!!!!
Thanks for thinkin' of me Arby"BOY".....

Invit is still on the table to join us in Rockaway next Labor Day weekend for beer and TONS of food!!!
But, if your too GD busy working in that $150,000 a year job working your PROFESSIONAL ass off.
BTW.... Just where is it that your an intern at??? KCMD??? Feuding with Rick??? Does Sara hate you???
No... No.... Marconi makes you pick up his dry cleaning when you not getting him his doughnuts and hot cocoa?????
I'm GLAD you opened this can of worms my friend because you pissed a lot of people off that didn't even care about you to begin with. Now they just think your a DICK!
Still pissed about KVMX???

Damn, Here I was, a former radio person, currently NOT in the industry, but passionate enough, experienced enough, and intelligent enough, that I should be in the industry, using this particular site to make friends and contacts to ease my transition back to the PNW. Now you've decided that because of my location and situation, I should not be able to participate in this forum.

You've hurt my feelings.

It's really quite simple.

It's Dan's forum.

Dan pays for the bandwidth and hosting.

Dan makes the rules.

Don't like it, Arbyboy?

Don't come back.

Okay Arby, you want to base this on having a legitmate radio station or cluster email address. Now, would that include say a board op at Charlie or the receptionist at Clear Channel. Would it include part time street team members like you. Just who would it include?

NO INTERNS!!!

:-D

Arbyboy, if you feel an "exclusive" board such as you describe is a great idea, why don't you start one? That way, you can personally screen each applicant for membership to make sure they meet your standards.

Gee, I work in the industry, but is it really "work"?....I think Dan would agree this is a site for people who love (and sometimes hate) radio. Put me down for both...

Amen, Val!

i agree with Arbyboy in concept, however not attitude,and definitely not with any disdain to any fellow posters its not an elitist thing, for me it would be a bonding thing. I am with Dexter on this one, the only difference is i have talked to enough past and present portland radio folks that read here but don't post here, and the reality is, its because of certain posters and certain tendencies this board has.

Don't kid yourselves folks, a large amount of radio pros in PDX past and present check this board regularly. But you know what, Dan does a great job with this forum, it's the only one like it, and it's entirely imperfect and i am fine with that. At the same time as a former radio person in PDX i would love a forum where radio folks past and present from PDX could bond outside of the listeners eyes on a public forum. Again, not as an elitist thing, but because most of us have this rare, very odd trait in common, and it's good to bond on those things...

just my $.02...i would support a 2nd board for pro's only as long as its not run by Arby and not started out of someone's personal vendetta...thats just bad karma....

And consider this... A "pros only" board would likely be much quieter than what's here. Any other board with a PDX component I'm familiar with is DEAD!

The Arbyboy vs Trixter battle is useless and a waste of bandwidth IMHO...(As your Dutch uncle, I'm telling the BOTH of you to GO SIT IN SEPARATE CORNERS AND NOT COME OUT UNTIL I TELL YOU TO!!!)

As for Mr. Packard's board here, he sets the rules. And his word is Law in this part of cyberspace. And he does a more-than-fair job of overseeing the conversation here...I'm grateful for the opportunity to stay connected to my hometown via this service. And Dan, I owe you bigtime for something like five years of lurking...Thank you!

Andy Brown, you rock!

Arbyboy, why not setup your own private website? It's extremely easy and cheap to do this now. You can get your own GoDaddy account and domain for about $10/month, and PHPBB2 software for forums is free and fairly easy to get going. You can even run the site off of your home DSL line with an old computer running Linux and some free forum software. Given that a "pros-only" board would require much less bandwidth than Dan's here, it would work pretty well.

Andrew

What I want to know is.....

Does Dan work in the industry? Has he produced a spot? Has he participated in a circle jerk? Does he even exist???

THESE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED!!!

Grady (radio board groupie)

Dexter, thank you so much for including me in that illustrious group! I would certainly put you on the list as well.

>>>"THESE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED!!!"

Why? Do you think he's not qualified to run a board about radio?

A friend of mine who runs a major regional radio discussion forum has switched to using a free service, rather than running his own Web site. He chose http://invisionfree.com/. Obviously, there are others, but he has had no issues over the last 6 months.

You even have the choice of paying them money and running your own ads or doing, as he has done so far, let them run their own banner ads and you pay nothing.

As a regular reader and poster who doesn't work in radio who's closest affiliation with radio besides general geekly interest and hanging out at KOTI helping to pick records while my buddy did a show, I'd like to 2nd the general consensus that you (A-Boy) should STFU.

Post and DASH! Note that Arby has only contributed one post to this thread: the first one! Gee, I wonder if he is a radio pro, how did his management feel about the comments he made at the beginning of this thread?

As one of the pro's who drops in occasionally, I'd vote against turning this into an insider-only thing. I come by here to see if there's anything on the grapevine, and am glad to sometimes find an insightful comment or two from people outside as well as inside the biz. I scroll past the trolls. Yeah, I miss seeing the numbers, they used to show up here in all their dayparted glory within minutes, but I predicted awhile ago that it would come to a screeching halt, and it did. Arbitron hit some other boards with a c&d, and maybe they did this one too.

Speaking of other radio boards: here's the juiciest one I've ever seen:

http://blatherwatch.blogs.com/

1. Not posting and dashing..just waiting to see any comment.

2. It's not attractive to me to set up my own "invitation only" controlled board because (a) I don't want to compete with Dan (b) Dan has the history and the goodwill in the PDX radio arena so it would seem to be p**sing in the wind for me to set up an duplicated alternative, even one without the idiots

3. Yes I do give money to support this board.

4. The control on access to any second board would be through initial emails from radio businesses. That would mean no anonymity and the expectation that posters would know what they were talking about. Something that is sadly absent in 90% of the posts on this board.

5. And as I expected, the vast majority of attacks on my idea have come from those who cannot deal with being excluded from a specialist, controlled board. The wannabees, the might haves, the nearly dids and the never wills.

6. As for me worrying about Trixter, I use her as a metaphor for the idiots because she seems to be unable to control her stupidity. Don't invite me to list all the others I see using this board as a toilet bowl to drop in their mindless bull***t.

Those just filling the board with waste so they can see their name/nickname on the Internet. Just thinking that anybody wants to scroll down a thread to see their "LOL" contribution.

And I imagine that is because many on this board don't have the education or the intelligence to write anything of much sense, erudition or insight.

And here's the bottom line. Regular posters on this board who are part of PDX radio NOW are as rare as a ham sandwich at a Jewish wedding. And the reason that is real life is because there is too much unhelpful, irrelevant crap cluttering up the board.

And finally to pick up Eastwoods point about the recent trends not appearing, they don't appear because no one posting on this board works in PDX
radio so they (a) aren't aware that the trend appeared and (b) they dont have any access to the figures. It's not about the Arbitron police.

Well you've convinced me then.

Well, that's two who'll be posting on the Arbyboard.

The rest of us been there done thats will just have to stay here.

Just so I'm clear, would I fit into the " Can " stay or " Cannot " stay?

It's internet broadcasting that I do. Does that count?

Or are my posts/threads that I start the kind of mindless stuff that is to be removed? I can cop to a few posts that are mindless. I don't feel I waste TOO much space though.

Didn't this guy refer to mexicans as "wetbacks" a few days ago? Like, straight-facedly referring to them as "wetbacks?"

Also, hasn't this guy been known as a career asshole since the inception of these boards who's entire online existence has been about anything BUT furthering conversation, but instead using numbers as a jumping off point to personally attack and insult any and everyone else, make lame, wild and typically useless predictions based on the appearance of inside knowledge, at least two or three times a month? It took him starting this thread for you guys to seriously tell him to fuck off for the first time in a unified effort?

It's weird to see this guy making an argument from a position of intelligence and tact when his entire online persona has always been a simple messageboard troll/sadomasochist looking for someone new to fight with after every new message posted. It's like he honestly thought he could be the arbiter of taste for this board by simply posting this thread and that we'd all fall in line. That's beyond delusional.

He gets fed a lot though, and that's definitely a problem, as people think substituting funny words in for part of his name constitutes a clever rebuttal, and then the two end up waving fast-food jokes at each other, apparently thinking they're wounding the shit out of each other with rapier-sharp daggers, when it's more like they're prodding at each other with dull, soggy french fries.

As a matter of fact, can we do without the whole "you'll be pumping my gas" "you'll be asking if I can have fries with that" as most people end up realizing those are garbage insults around 5th grade. I'd hope most of you really ARE more clever than that.

Arby trying to point at everyone else for making this place less than discusson-friendly is one of the more hypocritical things I've read since I joined this board about 4 years ago.

I had ham at a Jewish wedding yesterday. It WAS rare though. Had a bad taste . Just like Arby's posts.
I've never been in radio professionally but I have a close connection with certain DJ's over the years being that I am in the music/recording business. Since I'm one of the people on the "outside" who know about the side of the business that supplies DJ's with the music that they play on the air I feel like once in a while I can contribute something from my perspective that some may find valuable or at least interesting. I don't post unless I truly feel that I have something to contribute. I grew up with and love the history of Portland radio and I am somewhat honored to be able to post something every once in a while and even maybe start an interesting thread (haven't done that for a while I admit). My opinion is that people like Arby bring the whole thing down with this negative attitude that comes across on just about every post. We can't help but feel defensive. It's childish and immature. If however there were 2 levels, one for the true pros and one for the "lovers of radio". I hope that those of us that fall into the latter catagory would at least be able to continue to READ the "pro" section.

"And here's the bottom line. Regular posters on this board who are part of PDX radio NOW are as rare as a ham sandwich at a Jewish wedding. And the reason that is real life is because there is too much unhelpful, irrelevant crap cluttering up the board."

The real reason might be violation of station policy/contracts. Few are willing to stick their neck out in a competitive market unless they know it is their last days. (except for those with little or nothing to loose of course)

The majority of my friends and acquaintences who are in radio both Eugene and PDX don't post here for that reason.

Sorry to get off topic here, a few posts back it was mentioned something about KVMX, anyone know that story?

Back on topic for a sec...regarding the sudden, rapture-like disappearance of trends and stuff, Arby sez:

>>they don't appear because no one posting on this board works in PDX
radio so they (a) aren't aware that the trend appeared and (b) they dont have any access to the figures. It's not about the Arbitron police.

Fact is, lots of us have the numbers and would love to either gloat, or spin them, but those Arbitron police are definitely on the prowl. They came down hard on the radio-info boards, and you can almost feel the pucker in their FAQ:

Q: Can Arbitron numbers be discussed on the message forums?
A: Currently we can not allow the posting of Abritron ratings in list form with 12+ shares included. You can list the stations with a rank (1,2,3 etc.). Discussion of Abriton numbers is allowed and encouraged. We hope to add more access to ratings in the future. Postings that do match the site rules will be deleted or edited.

Don't know if they've bugged Dan specifically, but you've got to know he's aware of this concern. Comment, Dan?

Well said, Fatboy.

Well said, Fatboy

Why thank you

Fattie said everything that needs to be said....
As for Arbs I don't think she is that bad... Maybe that time of the month is bad for her???

Arbyboy did succeed in getting a WHOLE THREAD with him/her as the topic.

This should rank as a lifetime high score for a sychophant internet troll.

Ironic too that someone bitching about lack of actual radio content should start a whole thread about something other than radio.

Most people would just stop posting/reading/listening if they get tired of the content or lack thereof.

Clearly Arbyboy is enjoying this.

I would bet he also drives 58 in the left lane of the freeway and is one of those guys seen only in the nw who walk impossibly slow across the street at crosswalks.

Well what do we talk about now?

How 'bout that curious lack of Oregon sunshine? Ain't it just great?

.....The wannabees, the might haves, the nearly dids and the never wills.

How about some of us "USTABEES AND MIGHT AGAINBEES"

I don't find the lack of Oregon sunshine curious... There is plenty in the south east corner!

Val, how about understaffed clusters...Been done.
Ummm, excessive use of voicetracking....Already been covered.
over reliance on linercards in lieu of actual content...... nope did that too...

I've got it! Blackberry jam! We haven't talked about blackberry jam have we? Let's relate it to radio......

Has anyone ever brought homemade blackberry jam and fresh baked bread to a staff meeting?

Discuss.

>>Has anyone ever brought homemade blackberry jam and fresh baked bread to a staff meeting?<<

No - but I did bring a couple of boxes of Krispy Kremes once...

And for the record Roger - I think "Ustabees and Might Againbees" SHOULD be allowed in!!

Blackberry Jam...

Isn't that when you are trying to have a meeting and everyone is reading their latest emails on their phone...

...and they are e-mails about the meeting!

I've been in a coupla these. It's silly.

Hey Guys...

What's up? What's this I hear about Arbyboy having a "melt" down? Doesn't his first post seem a little "beefy" to everyone? I must admit my hair "curled" some upon reading this post.

All puns aside, I have gained a tremendous amount of respect for the radio industry and have learned a great deal. I'm not going to even appease Arbyboy by responding directly to him. I just want the group to know that I've received so much from you all.

Andrew, www.doteasy.com. Recommend this to any newbie site owner. 100 megs of storage (more than enough for a board) and a domain for 25 bucks a year. Course it doesn't include phpbb, but you can use an html board. Or upgrade to the 8 dollar per month plan and get php.

Oh, and no one commented on my Arbitron thread where they are including public non-comm radio stations.

I just can't believe how much Arb's loves me!

I saw that thread. Was interesting, but I personally was waiting to see what happens with that.

When we get a set of numbers from the effort, then we will see some discussion I'm sure.

From now on, we should call a thread like this, "the Arby". Will save time in the future. Someone posts one, then we can just say, "looks like [username] just pulled an Arby." Done, next.

That non-comm deal is a huge, massive can of worms. In Portland, basically one NPR station has a commercial-free monopoly that reliably pulls a 6 share. That will have the effect of depressing the rankings of every station below that number. And those rankings, within the appropriate demos, are exactly how bonuses are determined for air talent. So among people with contracts that reward them for ratings performance, there will be a whole lot of grumbling, though whether any of it makes it onto this board is another question.

WOW!
Cinnamon Toast Crunch is $2.29 a box at Target!!!!

Buy lots!!! The more you buy, the higher the stock price and the more my wife is worth at retirement, in fact Do all of your shopping at Tar-jay!

Flames, insults and personal attacks will not be tolerated? Hogwash. They happen on these boards quite often and nothing ever gets done about it.

And, Northwest people only? So, those of us from the Northwest, but who don't live there anymore aren't allowed? Double hogwash. Arbyboy can open his own message board if he wants such exclusivity.

Demanding qualifications on a discussion forum is the fastest way to Oblivion that I know of. After nearly five years, one major radio site still is missing voices that were stilled by some jackass DJ (good DJ, terrible human being) personally attacking those voices for not being qualified enough. One of those silent voices belong to a a female DJ who broke the gender bias in L.A. and held several great on-air gigs before deciding to quit working to better support her very famous DJ husband who moved to another market and simultaneously maintained a very strong voice business.

I don't think we want to go there, do we?

so who is this dj Adiant?

Sounds like my wife and I. Tis not however. (hee hee)

She told me in confidence, and I independently verified her story, so I think she has been through enough, without me publicly outting her (and the other two mentioned) here. I do know all of the individuals involved. I wouldn't even have told the story if I didn't really feel the situation demanded it.

But thanks for the interest.

My 1.5 cents-

This board is meant for radio cross talk 'tween us in the biz. Perhaps there should be a seperate section for BIZ people only, then also a general discussion page for everyone?

The issue seems to be, for me at least, that there are alot of folks on this board that hide under a handle then talk a bunch sh*t , which disrupts what Mr. P intended this to be. If you truly believe what you say, then one should have not problem disclosing who they really are!

"The issue seems to be, for me at least, that there are alot of folks on this board that hide under a handle then talk a bunch sh*t , which disrupts what Mr. P intended this to be. If you truly believe what you say, then one should have not problem disclosing who they really are!"

thinking the same thing myself this A.M., Tim
some people have 3-4 or "more" email addresses
Will the real Salmonella, Mrs. Merkin please come "out"

Will the real Salmonella, Mrs. Merkin please come "out"



Will the real Jacquel please get a life?"

yes.... and where are the other 6 Jaquels!!!!

:-D

Salmonella, I believe we have a valid point.. Why is it so hard for you and others to let us know who you are?

I would just appreciate less flaming and more radio talk.

Forgetting what it's like to be a listener is the first foot in the grave of radio careers.

I think that people should be able to exchange intelligent ideas and get intelligent responses.

Meaning if you don't agree with something, don't start calling names, don't start throwing back- handed compliments at each other. How about intelligently stating your position? You're never going to change someone's mind once it is made up.

I'm usually all for the "tact is for those who lack wit" school of thought...but this is supposed to be an exchange of ideas among individuals. Not the chance to become the scumbag you usually hide from people in the real world.

agreed, Copernicus

"This board is meant for radio cross talk 'tween us in the biz. Perhaps there should be a seperate section for BIZ people only, then also a general discussion page for everyone? "

WRONG

"This is a forum to read, learn, and say what you feel about radio in Portland.

the topics seem to range from "radio" to such controversial political issues as:

"favorite old TV commercials" and
drum roll, please...

"more Starbucks"

Jacquel7, see The Second Law Of Thermodynamics

thanks, Andy
what about the first law?

Qualitatively speaking, the second law states that any system which is free of external influences becomes more disordered with time. This disorder can be expressed in terms of the quantity called entropy.

So "topic drift" and the like are part of the natural order.

The first law, as applied to this, only predicts that the bigger the flame or troll, the more responses will be posted in order for energy to be conserved.

makes perfect sense to me, Andy

wonder if Herb's readin' this thread?

"This is a forum to read, learn, and say what you feel about radio in Portland.

AMEN ANDY!

From the welcome page to this forum.

A)what is the matter with you nerds posting during football?
2)Tim, you are supposed to be doing an airshift, why are you screwing around on a message board.
C)Are there any "real" radio people actually in PDX? I haven't heard any so this board is wide open to anyone I guess as it should be.
Now on to the 5:30 football game.

Real radio people are an endangered species. You'll find few employed ones posting here. Most here have been retired against their wishes hoping for the good old days to return.

BUT let me also assure you that EVERYONE in pdxradio that is on air checks this board AT LEAST ONCE during their airshift EVERYDAY!

I'm still digging radio after more than 25 yrs. And I still love it.

I attempt to post somewhat intelligent bits of information but even when I do somewhere someone feels the need to slam, jam or trash even the most basic of posts. I am not deterred because everyday I get to play and get paid and enjoy what I love doing.

I am more than happy to share with those who haven't been in the business my thoughts. I also want to encourage those in the business at whatever level to simply give it your best everyday and let the listener know they are the most important reason why you're on the air.

I've enjoyed reading posts from some of pro's I grew up listening too and have on occasion had a chance to work with. I may be a mid-lifer but there is a lot of kid in me and I hope that enthusiasm is reflected in my on air presentation.

Arbychick said>>>>>
Over the past months, this board has increasingly been infested with people who have a vague listeners opinion (Trixter) but have zero experience in the industry, have never cracked a mic, written a piece of copy, stood in front of a live audience, produced a spot...hell even got a paycheck with CBS, Entercom, CC , Rose city, Fisher, Pamplin etc on the signature.

WOW! She knows me so well....
I love women that know everything!! She knows that I've NEVER been in radio... NEVER???
Thanks Arbs!
Your the man...
The WHOOOOOman

I'm not sure EVERYONE in radio checks this page every shift they work. I don't, but it's highly worthy of my attention (Thanks Dan for all you do). I find myself checking it when my chores are done here, other times I just want to see if there's a thread I can jump on, like this one!

I don't know that I speak for everyone, however, I've been in and out of the radio biz (In again) since 1980 and I find it quite interesting to see the different comments that are found here. I think that perhaps everyone has a comment that in one way or another can have a useful piece of information or insight. I think perhaps that maybe people who don't know the inner workings of how radio works can lend some insight into the thinking of the listener. If there are things that don't make sense, then discard it. I do know that I love our profession and although I have never worked in Portland, I still find a multitude of interesting information here and appreciate everything that Dan does to insure that we continue to be able to see what's happening.

am i allowed at the cool table??

If you have to ask...

NO!

--of course you are already at the cool table!

You might have to bring your own coffee, but sure...drag a chair over!

i worked(paid) in portland for a total of like 5 hours, so i totally should be in on this exclusive club, besides... i bring the funnay.

I still can't believe that she loves me! Arb's loves me!!!

Well if nothing else, this has been a legendary thread. I don't want to kick-him-while-he's-down anymore though.

Obviously the thread was meant to take the temperature of the room ( otherwise, Arby could have just emailed Dan directly ). So the temperature is, you know, hot. Or cool. However you want to view it.

Sure, the timing was poor ( I had honestly JUST been noting that this board has changed for the better since I was last active ) and the presentation was terrible. Oh yes, and the messenger was hypocritical. The idea was unpopular and smacks of something much less noble than Arbyboy would like for us to have believed. It was pretty heavy-handed. A tad Draconian ( Which we, ok ME/I, am wary of in this national climate right now ). It was a little backwards if you are interested in a small amount of progress. Aaaaaaaaaaand it was terribly divisive and seemed to stem from something being projected onto the community from a single source as a true reading of what it's actually like in here...

...I had SOMEthing comforting to say to Arbyboy...I forget what it was now...OH YEAH - I can honestly say that there MAY be a kernal of worthiness to the idea. But it just wasn't evidenced in the title of the thread. Nor the supporting text.

But if I'm not going to be a hypocrite, I have to note that it is possible that there may be a need for what is being asked for by Arbyboy. I just didn't think that THIS place was where the need would have to be fulfilled.

So here's to the notion that ideas can still be exchanged - in here. Even the bad, uninformed, biased and self-serving ones! I've done it. In GRAND form! I'm sure I will again. Nobody is perfect.

I'll drink to that...and it's only 9 a.m..

I call for the question.

Arbyboy or Trixter. Cast your ballots now.

Winner stays.....Loser is banished forever.

Can you vote "neither" and they both go?

i vote them both off the island

Arby, you have made it clear, in more than one post -- although not recently -- that you do not work in radio/broadcasting in any capacity, and, I believe, never have. Or so you have stated.

Are you, or are you not, a past or present member of the Portland radio fraternity? If you aren't, your suggestion is, essentially, that you, yourself, among others, be segregated, consigned to. . .how did you describe it?. . .the Loser's Circle Jerk. Why would you want to blow yourself out or off to Siberia?

You are obviously interested in and know a lot more about radio than the average individual; you've made intelligent, incisive comments about the business and the people in it, albeit, very often, in an unfriendly, even hostile manner. Why is anybody's guess. Maybe It's the only fun you ever have. I don't know.

For me, your sometimes constructive criticism loses a lot of credibility through it's gratuitous, insulting nature and lack of any compassion.

If you have so much disdain, contempt, for, eh, some of the more "experienced" among us, especially what you'd characterize as the washed-up, toothless, burn-out codgers (and most everybody else, for that matter, come to think of it), why do you address us? To make us better?

And what about what you perceive to be the lack of artistry or integrity in our field -- I'm not going to debate or defend that right now -- it is variable. But why would you even bother to come here and give it/us a second thought or comment if we're the Scum of the Earth?

It baffles science, reason, logic and proportion, but I like the part at the end of the song when the rabbit bites it's own head off.

Perhaps I, myself, could be taken as a washed-up, burn-out codger....however, I am not toothless. I got a new set of uppers several months ago. A glove like fit, and an only slightly blinding gleam.
Well said Jeffrey, my friend! As usual, it is a pleasure to witness an eloquent response and viewpoint issued with intelligence, thought, and subtle lack of malice. Today's listening recommendation is John Prine's "All The Best".
Time now for me to spend another day ingnoring that miniscule voice in the back of my cranium that says "I Quit This Bitch". (c'mon...that was funny as hell)

Jeffrey-
Dang you!! I was going to say all that!!

I have been the receiver of Arby's negativity due to my voice tracking a morning show in Coos Bay. Somehow Coos Bay isn't on his radio radar of importance. However he has totally ignored my Portland radio roots (Z100,KPAM, KCNR, K-lite, KMXI, more KPAM) and continued work in the voice over industry here and outside of Portland.

Tis baffling. The song that enters my mind is "You're Mean One Mr. Grinch"...But I digress.

Andy, let us not limit this board to just Portland. The rest of the state (and sw wash) needs it too. We need to hear more from those guys and gals in Longview-Kelso, and Chehalis-Centralia. As well as Astoria, Roseburg, Medford, Bend,etc, etc. The only thing that can save radio is for all of us to start, and keep communicating (did I say that?) until we finally get off our asses and do something about saving this wonderful business that is going down in flames.

Good one Charlieb...

"You say you drive around the town till you just get bored"


Wannabe, I never said anything of the kind. Arby is spelled with an "r" and a "b" between the "A" and the "y"

Why is it that a negative post, i.e. Arby's initial bull, brings out so much energy? Or is it enthalpy (hot air)?

you want to see things that are out of hand?? look at the minnesota boards at www.redandnater.com and get back to me about a shit storm of people who have nothing to do with radio in the real world hahaha

that board is banned on all clear channel servers because of all the shit talking. on top of that, it spawned 1.5 new words on the internet
"suisare"
and
"fecterated"(which comes up on only one or two other sites when googled)

fecterated...

I gotta ask: "What's this one mean?" It's catchy.

Wannabe>> let us not limit this board to just Portland. The rest of the state (and sw wash) needs it too. We need to hear more from those guys and gals in Longview-Kelso...

Not so, says the moderator. Awhile ago he deleted threads relating to Eugene, and even Salem stations that are not factors in the Portland market. However, some discussion of peripheral markets has crept back in unimpeded, perhaps due in part complaints and a small trickle of monetary support from us outsiders.

Grady>> Arbyboy or Trixter. Cast your ballots now.

Regarding the 107.5 format change it's notable that Arby and Trix had a disagreement as to whether the new format would be Spanish or "K-ROCK."

The joke's on y'all.

Every entry and every thread on this PDX radio board has been blogtracked by a single out of work chain-smoking Disc Jockey working from a laptop in a van down by the river, utilizing the wi-fi from a local Starbucks.

A steady diet of government cheese fuels every idea on this web site. . .

Jeffrey I read your enquiring and eloquent post and reply

May I call you Jeff ?,

I am interested in you as part of the ups and downs of PDX radio, and have unloaded on you in past times as you know. You have a talent I don't have and that is to talk on the radio and get paid for doing that.

To be doing pm drive time in # 1 in PDX and let that escape seems like falling from a mountain peak and having the stones fall from your feet for ever more. How could you do such a thing ? I guess the answer..you were too lazy or arrogant.

I post on this board with a brutal dagger to the heart writing. I do it very well and it saves a lot of time.

There seems to be a strange thing going on. To be able to entertain on the radio you have to have a very special talent. Communication. Very Special.

My original post was almost to give props to those who should belong to that special club of people (incl Jeff Clark) who have taken that deep breath two seconds before live and gone "wow what am i Doing " and then broadcast bungee jumped into what they had to do.

Last week I heard Thom Hartmann saying he gets nervous before he goes on air. IMHO that should be
the driving force of anybody given the privilege to speak to xxxx thousand people on our airwaves.

And despite what I might post on this board, Jeffrey has cracked a mic with huge effect in PDX and all points east in the last X years so he gets a place in my new "radio only "board.

That's if he isn't on the beach like he normally is.

"I do it very well"

Actually, no, you don't. It's not the sentiment, although that's typically repugnant enough. But your skewed self-analysis concerning what it is you think you do here should be a wake-up call to how divorced from any semblance of reality you really are.

How much of this board actually replaces what REAL achievements should make up your self-esteem? I'd think it has to be a considerable amount, after reading the review you just gave yourself.

Your words are not brutal, although you use them bluntly, like a caveman with a rock, grunting and shoving hard, making loud noises and sending rough little chips skittering over the landscape. Your insights are deep like rain on asphalt. There's the appearance of water, but the current isn't rushing that fast.

And your original post and what you CLAIM your original post was supposed to do, couldn't be any farther apart, and the fact you had to explain what your meaning was, and that it was so wildly divergent from how it came across, is a better gauge of your writing talent than any congratulatory self-review could ever be.

You're an angry guy with a thesaurus, a wish to be recognized as a radio authority, and a chance to con people into thinking you are such a thing, armed with an "attitude," some catchphrases, and an opportunity provided only because the internet exists and you have the free time to use it.

If you wrote more often with the clarity and straightforward style you used in the post above, people might begin to take you and your thin, empty critiques seriously. But since you seem more comfortable clinging to the tattered self-opinion that you're good medicine that tastes bad, I doubt the acceptance you apparently are seeking on this board will ever come easily, if at all.

But Fatboy.... She loves me!!!!!

arby sez: "I do it very well and it saves a lot of time."

Yes, you're quite right. Not wiping up after pooping on a forum saves YOU a lot of time. Too bad the rest of us are left here having to deal with it.

If everybody behaved like you, eventually there would be no forums left for you to visit anywhere. Have a good life (somewhere else!).

Is this the point where someone is supposed to bring up Politics so the thread gets moved?

And I'm a bit ashamed to admit that if Dan has posted in this thread, I didn't recognize his username. I thought I rememebered it as containing the name " Dan " in it somewhere - but I could be wrong. Or I may have just missed it. Either way, I would like to hear what Dan has to say about all of this. It would be a bonus if he chose to speak with a set of " Heart Daggers " - but apparently those are legendary. Because, as we all know, during the rectification of the Vuldronaii the Traveller came as a large, moving Torb. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants they chose a new form for him--that of a giant Sloar. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you. And thus the legend of the Heart Dagger was born.

Dan certainly doesn't need my permission, encouragement or advice - I just wanted to know what he thought.

That's all.

........By Grady on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 10:53 am:

Does Dan work in the industry? Has he produced a spot? Has he participated in a circle jerk? Does he even exist???........

While Dan is not necesarily someone I'd run across the street in a driving rainstorm to say hello too, he is just as qualified as anyone here to run(and post on) this board, working at at least three stations that I know of.

That answer your question?

While Dan is not necesarily someone I'd run across the street in a driving rainstorm to say hello too, he is just as qualified as anyone here to run(and post on) this board, working at at least three stations that I know of.


Ouch outsider, you are a heartless bastard!
Hey Dan I WOULD run across the street in a driving rainstorm to say hello. What can i say, I guess im just a nice guy. By the way, I just left a donation Dan of 20 bucks

Heartless bastard? No, I don't think so. Would you run across the street in a driving rainstorm to say hello to me? I didn't think so. Neither would Mr. P. But, that's no big deal.

Dan's not my best friend, that's all. But I do appreciate what he does here, in giving us all to shove our feet down our faces as deeply as possible.

Actually, "I do it very well,"... mixing commentary with sarcasm, pointing out the strengths, need, and importance of live air talent, as well as the shortsightedness of corporate ownership in recognizing the importance that a live LOCAL broadcast plays in making the connection between the station and the listener, and keeping that listener sufficiently connected to hear the advertisers message.

So now a LOCAL Portland station sees fit to import a voicetrack from Detroit. How that serves either the local listener, or the advertizer who is dependent on that listener I can't see it.

I will bet you that most of the people reading this board can name several people who have the passion, desire, abilities, experience and skills to communicate to the PDX, or Other markets, yet, find themselves either forced into another profession, or trying to figure out what mixture of talent, luck and fate will put them back on the air...........

There are too many valid opinions from both radio people and lovers of radio. I would not wish one to be excluded from the other............

I'd rather not be excluded from an industry that I love so much, but the choice is not mine to make, however I CAN CHOOSE to participate in a forum such as this, and would not want to be shut out because of my employment status..........

Culled from the 95.5 history, here's Dan Packard's station history: KMJK, KYTE, KJR, KBSG, KWJJ & KXL-FM. This list is current to 1994.

I want some audio on Mr. Packard. C'mon dan lets hear an Air check. I knoow you have some of those laying around.

I love sharing my broadcasting experience with those who have more than a casual interest.

Anytime my wife and I are at some social gathering and those around find out we are in radio the conversation takes an immediate turn of interest to what we do. And believe me everyone has an opinion! Once we feel we have dominated the conversation enough we try and use some of those communication skills to get the conversation back off of us and onto something really important.

I also enjoy hearing from my broadcasting brothers and sisters. Not all of us have met each other but there is enough mutual respect, especially for those of us with at least 20 plus years under our belts, to acknowledge the realities of our world.

If others feel it necessary to offer their feedback (positive or negative) that is fine by me. Lord knows we get critiqued daily by our listeners (and PD).

The “Radio Club” is a small fraternity for sure. I hope I never come across as thinking it’s exclusive to only those of us who crack the mic. The most humbling part of this journey is to realize that the average listener doesn’t care about call letters, positioning statements, quarterly hour cume or even that you maybe at the number one rated station.

A year ago my wife and went to the Average White Band, Michael McDonald, Hall and Oats concert at the Memorial Coliseum. The station in Coos Bay where we voice track our morning show gave away tickets and a nights stay for our two grand prize winners. At the concert we had a chance to talk to the winners and enjoy a great concert. One couple right in the middle of our demo’s said to my wife and I “we really enjoying listening to you guys in the morning it’s like you’re right there at our breakfast table.”

That’s why I’m in this business.

To Deane Johnson and Outsider:

My previous questions regarding Dan Packard were sarcasm (the reference to the circle jerk was supposed to clue you in).

I'm just one of those people who Arbyboy has no use for....dropping in to read some radio related discussion and trying to be funny on occasion, because god knows I don't have a bit of radio expertise to share.

Wait a minute....I just remembered that I was a guest DJ on The Big B.A.'s show on KGON back in 1989. He picked my list of ten songs and I got some air time while we played them. I even read the concert calendar. I guess I do belong!

The rest of you non-radio hacks can get the hell out of here!

........By Craig_adams on Monday, October 09, 2006 - 7:10 pm:
Culled from the 95.5 history, here's Dan Packard's station history: KMJK, KYTE, KJR, KBSG, KWJJ & KXL-FM. This list is current to 1994.........

Craig,
You can add KB101, KLOG and KARO to that list as well.

Does Dan even read the board? I know his posts are few and far between.

Dan is "stelf" but he watches. He could also be posting under another name.

He follows the golden rule:

One can participate or moderate, but not both.

You'll see Dan post here from time to time, on a thread he finds interesting, but it's kept light.

When you do both, it's very difficult to remain objective and keep focus. IMHO, he's doing the right thing.

I think Dan is Mrs Merkin! LOL.

Stelf?

That's funny!

Its from the old Sly Stone song "Thank You Falletin Me Be Mice Stelf."