69% approve of the job Obama is doing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30412830/

"Obama's overall rating remains high, with 69 percent of Americans approving of his job performance. He gets solid marks for his handling of the economy, maintaining a better-than-2-to-1 advantage over congressional Republicans on the issue. Majorities said that Obama has exceeded their expectations in his first three months in office, has accomplished big things and has kept his main campaign promises. Further, public optimism about the economy and the country's direction also remain on the rise since his election, even as few think his major economic initiatives have moved the needle on the nation's flagging economy, their communities or their finances."

Looks like Deane's fantasy of people that voted for Obama not liking what they are getting is just that, fantasy.

And, "today just 21 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans, the fewest since September 1983." http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Obama100days/Story?id=7429261&page=2

Which means that proportionately, both houses of Congress are twice as Republican as the population at the moment.

The SCOTUS is long overdue to take a hit for GOP excesses.

Vitalogy wrote:
Looks like Deane's fantasy of people that voted for Obama not liking what they are getting is just that, fantasy.

As I have always said, conservatives live in their own world.

As well as knee-jerk lib's. I like to stay in the middle and watch the show.

EASY TO DO IF THE NEWS MEDIA ARE ALL IN YOUR CAMP!!!!!

Most of them were in YOUR camp for the last 8 years 62!
You off crack yet?

you have got to be kidding Trix!!??

"As well as knee-jerk lib's. I like to stay in the middle and watch the show."

Steve, if you use terms like "knee-jerk lib", then you aren't in the middle, sorry.

Yup, that's right Warner.

EASY TO DO IF THE NEWS MEDIA ARE ALL IN YOUR CAMP!!!!!

and

you have got to be kidding Trix!!??

If the media was as liberal as the conservatives say they are, how come everyone was out there covering the Rev. Wright story, Bill Ayres, etc?

you have got to be kidding Trix!!??

Are you still on Meth?

More good news for Obama:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30454232/

I'm not reading too much into the first 100 days. That's more of a media thing. Let's come back after the first year and then we'll see where he lands.

Not trying to douse good numbers but this is not a realistic look at his presidency.

"If the media was as liberal as the conservatives say they are, how come everyone was out there covering the Rev. Wright story, Bill Ayres, etc?"


You haven't done your homework. You're believing what you want it to be. The extreme liberal rags such as the NY Times weren't out there until they had to be, then they buried it on page 197.



"More good news for Obama:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30454232/"


If he actually descended from heaven as you libs seem to feel he did, shouldn't his favorable numbers be about 100%?

Does crow taste good Deane?

You haven't done your homework. You're believing what you want it to be. The extreme liberal rags such as the NY Times weren't out there until they had to be, then they buried it on page 197.

That extreme liberal rag - the New York Times - published on the FRONT PAGE all the lies that Scooter Libby fed Judith Miller about Iraq's WMDs in 2002.

It seems to me if they were really a liberal rag the editor would have required more than a single source for the info.

There are 197 pages in the NYT?

"Libs" feel Obama is from heaven? Really!

Deane - all about strawmen, exaggeration and hyperbole.

this is not a realistic look at his presidency.

It is if you're an endangered spieces on the planet.

LOL@Vitalogy

Yeah, double scoop of it. With a third scoop likely coming at the mid-terms.

The party is about half it's size. Only another chunk to go, and we will be at 1/3!

That will be the 23 percenters, plus some die-hards and fools.

Can't the 75 percenters just round up the others and execute them? Dig a couple of big pits around the country fill 'em with those damn right wing disenters and be done with it. Turn the sites into "PEOPLES PARKS" and everyone can then live in peace and harmony with no dissent for ever after.

Too much gloating. So much time and energy is wasted every time the boat rocks from one side to the other....

Waiting for the "BURN THE WITCH THREAD" Or "Stone Them" marches and rallies......

the joy some of you have at stomping those with opposing views, or not all in, is very disturbing. So willing to feel totally superior, and inflexible, but you show same the traits that many of you found fault with The Booshdinistas. No it's the Obaminations in power and the behavior of the pack is the same.

Different Party, Same Shit. Like spitting at your reflection in a mirror. Now the other side is doing the spitting.

Sure would be a better place if we all thought the same, huh?

Roger-

Many of us took some serious crap from the right during the Bush years. Gloating from the right was brought to new levels when Bush survived for a second term.

I personally try to avoid talking trash (but am guilty of it) because it serves little purpose, however I am not surprised that it is happening. Call it venting.

It's perfectly healthy.

All part of the wonderful check and balance system we have. If a party has gone down a wrong road, it is exactly that trash talking that gets people thinking and moving.

In a perfect world, it all would be rational, easy, pleasant. But, it just isn't.

And that is good.

Right now, "Republican" isn't a nice word. Why? Because most "Republicans" are not nice people. They are 23 percenters.

So, they get what they get! That social pressure WILL force change. Always has, always will.

When "we" took crap from those alpha Republicans riding high during the Bush years, lots of us ordinary people heard:

"Hating America First", "Ham-fisted", "Pinko", "Tree Hugger", "wuss", "weak", "bleeding heart", "grey", "unbeliever", "sliver tonged", "asshole", "liberal", and many more things, leveled at people who countered with:

-discrimination is wrong

-lies are wrong

-the middle class is important...

along with:

"Bigot", "Racist", "regressive", "selfish", "ignorant", etc...

The sum total of that was very much like a wrestling match.

In wrestling, playing dirty is a fine line to walk. If you straight up just hammer somebody, you grant them points. If you bend the rules a little, go for some pain, but really are just being aggressive, it's all good.

Then comes executing the sport.

Understanding of the body, it's mechanics, and applying those correctly counts for a lot.

The final arbiter?

Will, conviction and strength.

Often, a decision on two very well matched wrestlers, comes down to who wants it more. Who is going to go to the mat hard for it, and who isn't? That ends up being character and strength deciding the better man.

Politically, it all works this way.

On the right, we've got those 23 percenters, who lack character. They might be bigots, racists, sexists, or just very selfish, or some other thing.

They have huge will power, and many of them can execute the sport well, and have no problem playing a bit dirty.

On the left, we've got growing will power, basically fueled by an increasingly hostile to ordinary people environment, far better character overall (the 23 percenters are mostly Republican right now), some problem playing dirty, and conviction.

It came down to character on this one, plain and simple. Sorting that out took the trash talk, the pain, and social pressure to resolve this in a different way.

The lesson is:

Speak or be spoken for. It's that simple. It's as simple as a wrestling match, where you either dish it out, or have it done to you.

And, like in a wrestling match, if the other side plays dirty, you've got to roll with it, gather your will, and hammer the match home, or they win, dirty or not.

Let 'em bring the trash. I don't care. I'm quite happy to dish it right back, and I know personally, I've the higher ground on a lot of stuff, so it's easy to dish it out and keep some character cards in my pocket, where they've surrendered most of theirs.

In the end, that's NO contest. Never has been, never will be.

And that really sums up the game of politics, and defines what "PROGRESSIVE" means. It means we will improve, we will grow stronger, we will get along, and we will endure.

The only constant is change.

Leaving then the question of how.

One can either be CONSERVATIVE about it, or LIBERAL about it, but change will absolutely happen. Anyone not on board with that is a problem generally, regardless of their self-identified political leanings.

Right now, it's important to not let up on that. Those who did the bad things need to feel the heat for it. Those that support them need to feel the heat too.

Without that social pressure, there IS NO INCENTIVE TO IMPROVE THE STATE OF THINGS.

Speak, or be spoken for.

Now, they've got a double helping of crow to suck down. Chaps their ass, and you can hear them squeal like a stuck pig over it too. Good.

That is exactly the kind of thing that happens when you screw people over en-masse.

Don't like it?

Stop it.

It is all that simple really.

What we are seeing from the right is this, "ok, I'm hurt, and I'm sorry, but let's play fair now, so I have a chance" kind of thing you see from a little kid caught playing dirty.

Screw that.

Just stop it, and we all move on, or take the punishment.

NO amount of deference makes any sense here. NONE.

(And Liberals get called weak. Not this one!)

"Hating America First", "Ham-fisted", "Pinko", "Tree Hugger", "wuss", "weak", "bleeding heart", "grey", "unbeliever", "sliver tonged", "asshole", "liberal",

Geez, you lifted that from Rush's transcript for yesterday, didn't you?

The beauty of it is I could give ANY answer to that question, and it all works!

I'm not sure if this will show up properly, but KATU ran a poll of what grade you would give Obama. What percetage gave him an "F"? You guessed it....23%!

http://www.katu.com/home/poll/43936852.html?submit=Submit&oid=1&mr=1&t=a&cid=303 1&pid=43936852&pollpg=y

Ooops. You forgot to mention that only 29% gave him an "A" and 23% gave him a "B". So your point is?

Maybe you should go to work for the news media! Pretty good at selectively picking what data is used to make your dude look good.

Not to stellar a spread if you ask me.

As far up on a pedestal as people on this board put him I'd expect maybe something like this; 77%-"A", 0%-"B", 0%-"C", 0%-"D" and your magic 23% an "F".

I wouldn't give him an "F", but I sure as hell wouldn't give him an "A". Maybe a "C-".

My point is that Obama could cure cancer and there'd still be "those 23 percent" out there that give him an F.

And in case you can't add, 29% + 23% = 52%, which is > than 23%.

Overall, 65% gave him a C or better, which is pretty good in my book. Given that the poll is not scientific, I put no stock in the percentages, I just thought it was ironic that 23% give him an F. I don't see how anyone can prove a case where he deserves an F.

I don't see how anyone can prove a case where he deserves an F.

That would depend on your beliefs and POV. Each of us think differently.

99.99999% of the people on this board would give Bush an "F" or lower if it was a choice.

I'd give him about the same as I'd give Obama. I might give Bush a straight "C".

Proving a case and simply believing are two very different things. I know for a fact that even the most anti-Obama neocon could not credibly prove Obama deserves an F. They may think he deserves it, but no case exists to prove it to any reasonable body.

YES!!

There they are! Look at 'em people. 23 percenters.

Now, given we've had a poll where about 20-25 percent of us are willing to self-identify as Republican, and.... ?

It does not look good for the GOP right now.

Thanks for that link Vitalogy. I would say it's funny, but it probably just isn't.

BTW: B+ / A- is the grade I would give, right now.

A, B, C, D, F. It's all media crapola, something to talk about. I don't care what grade somebody gives him.

I am watching last night's Daily Show where Stewart destroys the pundits letter grades from the night before last. It all meant to boost ratings.

B+
And if the economy starts to turn around I change it to A-