Author: 62kgw Monday, March 23, 2009 - 9:58 am |
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ON PBS LAST NITE THERE WAS SHOWE ABOUT PETER,PAUL,AND MARY FOLK SINGING GROUP.WAS THER ANY RADIO STATIONS THAT DID 100%FOLK MUSIC??THEY (PPm)TRIED TO CLAIM CREDIT FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE 60'S!! cOMMIE MUSIC?? |
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Author: Chickenjuggler Monday, March 23, 2009 - 10:09 am |
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I love you. |
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Author: Kennewickman Monday, March 23, 2009 - 10:18 am |
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Pop Folk Music was part of top 40, and some MOR/AC formats by the 60s also College stations etc. A lot Folk came out of the Coffee houses and College/University Campuses of the 1950s. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, March 23, 2009 - 11:34 am |
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Many years ago, in a fourth-grade music class, I remember the teacher explaining folk music and the lyrics to "Big Rock Candy Mountain." His explanation was that folk songs evolve by their being performed and heard, but are not written down by the composer. Thus, it is impossible to accurately track down their origin. "Big Rock Candy Mountain," he said, was sung by hoboes during their travels (say while riding in boxcars). Of course, the version of the song that appeared in our music book was cleaned up considerably (i.e. the "cigarette trees" had been replaced by "sycamore trees"). |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, March 23, 2009 - 11:44 am |
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I think your teacher may have been wrong... Mac McClintock is credited with "Big Rock Candy Mountain"... When I was a kid, my parents had a 78 of Mac singing it. |
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Author: Broadway Monday, March 23, 2009 - 11:49 am |
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Is all-folk radio coming to Salem soon? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, March 23, 2009 - 12:02 pm |
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I and the music teacher stand corrected. The Wikipedia article about the song goes into detail on the copyright controversy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rock_Candy_Mountain |
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Author: Aok Monday, March 23, 2009 - 12:14 pm |
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62kgw wrote: |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, March 23, 2009 - 12:21 pm |
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But it does appear to have evolved from an earlier "broadside ballad" and Mac did loose the copyright battle... |
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Author: Jeffreykopp Monday, March 23, 2009 - 5:10 pm |
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At its 1969 launch, KINK played a lot of folk-rock while Jeff Douglas tinkered and experimented, searching for the new station's groove in the emerging band |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, March 23, 2009 - 9:04 pm |
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Anybody remember a KINK Sunday evening program called "Folksound" in the early 70's? I think the host went by the name Jim Taylor... one of my favorites in the series was a program featuring an odd mix of English folk rock and American Indian music (I first heard of Jim Pepper on that show). The host seemed very nervous that evening, but later explained that his wife was there and about ready to deliver! |
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Author: 62kgw Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 8:42 am |
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far left hijacked some songs like this land is your land,which was previously almost a patriotic song for all |
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Author: Jr_tech Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 9:47 am |
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Woody Guthrie wrote "This Land is Your Land" : |
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Author: Littlesongs Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 10:19 am |
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I really like the idea of a "folk" radio station, but the "Americana" genre has it fairly well covered these days. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 10:20 am |
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When we sang "This Land is Your Land" in elementary school, some 26 years ago, I don't remember hearing any "far left hijacked" lyrics in the song. Has it been modified in some way since? Can you provide an example of the altered lyrics? Just for the record, I don't think that anybody would classify me as a "far left" guy. |
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Author: Littlesongs Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 10:26 am |
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Alfredo, you are absolutely right. Woody Guthrie was an American songwriter. His personal politics were one of inclusion. His songs told the stories of forgotten citizens, celebrated the land, and called for justice. These are now considered "leftist" ideals by the lovers of prison camps, domestic spying and economic oppression. If one is not in tune with true American values, a fellow like Guthrie looks like he stepped out of a flying saucer. |
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Author: Jr_tech Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 10:53 am |
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Pete Seeger did include the "private property" verse in a recent performance... good on him! |
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Author: Littlesongs Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 11:03 am |
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Jr_tech, that was a great catch. I noticed it when I saw the concert too. |
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Author: Jr_tech Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 12:03 pm |
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That was quite a performance... can't believe that Seeger is near 90! Not a dry eye in this household when he finished. |
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Author: 62kgw Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 7:02 pm |
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will have to re-considerthis land!does Alice's Restutant count as a folk song?when I was in 6th gradeaprox. 1969 a teacher with a guitar came to classonce a month or so and played some of those folk sonkslike: where have all the flowers gone??part of the left-lib indoctranation"education" of public schools for sure!!!did any of these far left folk songs/artists get banned on/from any portland radio stations? |
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Author: Jr_tech Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 8:32 pm |
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"does Alice's Restutant count as a folk song?" |
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Author: Skybill Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 8:52 pm |
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does Alice's Restutant count as a folk song? |
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Author: Jeffreykopp Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 9:59 pm |
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AR is considered a loose form of "talking blues." |
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Author: 62kgw Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 9:40 am |
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without yet studying it yet,I think "this land " has both conservative and liberal interpretations! |
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Author: Skybill Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 10:25 am |
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without yet studying it yet,I think "this land " has both conservative and liberal interpretations! |
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Author: Alfredo_t Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:10 pm |
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> without yet studying it yet,I think "this land " has both conservative and liberal interpretations! |
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Author: Paulwalker Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:37 pm |
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I remember my mother liking Seattle's The Brothers Four and other folk groups when I was very young. I believe the groups Dick Foley did local Seattle TV in the 80's. |
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Author: Jr_tech Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 1:45 pm |
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Call me naive if you wish, but I always thought that the "no trespassing" verse in "This Land" was nothing more than broad support of our National Park system, and against atrocities such as private beaches. |
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Author: 62kgw Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 5:58 pm |
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"PUFF THE MSGIC DRAGON"(PP&M SONG) GOT HIJACKED FROM A KIDDIE SONG INTO A DOPE SMOKING SONG!!!!! |
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Author: Jr_tech Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 6:38 pm |
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"PUFF THE MSGIC DRAGON"(PP&M SONG) GOT HIJACKED FROM A KIDDIE SONG INTO A DOPE SMOKING SONG!!!!! " |
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Author: 62kgw Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 8:06 am |
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When most people hear it a green fire breathing dino nonster is not the first thing that comes to mind!!,but rather you-know-what does!!!!although,that may not have been the songwriters intention!!! |
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Author: 62kgw Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 12:27 pm |
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1st or 2nd thing??!! |
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Author: Jr_tech Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 12:34 pm |
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Of course, you may read anything into the lyrics that you wish... I visualize a dragon similar to the one in the cartoon series "Jane and the Dragon". If you wish to think it means something else, lean back, light up and enjoy ! |
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Author: 62kgw Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 12:33 pm |
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If I had a Hammer could be ultraradicle-far left loony song too if "Hammer" is a code word for gun!! |
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Author: Skybill Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 12:37 pm |
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I'm pretty sure I should quote Trixter about now: "WOW". |
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Author: Andy_brown Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 12:48 pm |
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And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I |
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Author: Kennewickman Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 1:01 pm |
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" Where have all the flowers gone" was the first folk song I ever heard ( and that is because KISN played the Hell out of the Kingston Trio version ) |
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Author: Skybill Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 2:43 pm |
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Andy, Nice!!! |
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Author: 62kgw Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 9:47 am |
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I heard that Woodyu G. rolls over in his grave everytime/anytime a radio stationplays Alice's Resturant!!!?????!!!!!Far Left still promotes Littering by hanging their signs on telephone poles!!! |
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Author: 62kgw Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 9:52 am |
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wasn't there one folk song that kind of promoted suicide?!!Good-night Irene, I think??? |
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Author: Jr_tech Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 11:02 am |
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"I heard that Woodyu G. rolls over in his grave everytime/anytime a radio stationplays Alice's Resturant!!!?????!!!!!" |
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Author: 62kgw Monday, March 30, 2009 - 9:02 am |
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This Lsnd also is anti-mining!!!!!"this land is mine land"???Woody is/was disgusted by Alice's Resturant!!! |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, March 30, 2009 - 10:53 am |
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I recommend that you read "Prophet Singer: The Voice and Vision of Woody Guthrie" by Mark Allan Jackson.(2007) |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, March 30, 2009 - 11:59 am |
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More on the "Private Property" verse, from CD liner notes: |
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Author: 62kgw Monday, March 30, 2009 - 7:54 pm |
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did Woody Gever buy a house or -property?and did he ever let any bums(or anyone elsecrossover or camp out on it for free?? |
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Author: Littlesongs Monday, March 30, 2009 - 8:18 pm |
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"There's several ways of saying what's on your mind. And in states and counties where it ain't any too healthy to talk too loud, speak your mind, or even to vote like you want to, folks have found other ways of getting the word around. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, March 30, 2009 - 10:40 pm |
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C'mon there, 62. I just know that you long to grab a gee-tar and bust out a few tunes. |
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Author: Jr_tech Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:01 am |
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Perhaps something like this ? |
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Author: Littlesongs Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 4:03 pm |
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Sing it Jr_tech! |
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Author: 62kgw Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 8:55 am |
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some of these folk songs were sung often at church picnics/sunday school,also boy scout campouts,around the campfire!them songwriters might noot like that now!!!call it reverse blacklisting!! |
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Author: Jr_tech Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 10:15 am |
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Woody said this about people using his songs: |
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Author: 62kgw Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 1:20 pm |
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S.Hannity has a part of a folk song he uses as an intro:"let freedom reign, let the white dove sing, it's the day of recogning!!? |
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Author: Littlesongs Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 9:39 pm |
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62kgw, the selection of the song was odd for the Hannity show, but typical "title trolling" by lazy conservative media types. "Independence Day" is a hit number by Martina McBride about domestic abuse that has little or nothing to do with jingoism. |
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Author: 62kgw Friday, April 03, 2009 - 9:11 am |
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one of the Neo-Coms might hijack it!!! |
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Author: Littlesongs Friday, April 03, 2009 - 9:40 am |
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Um... they already did... "Independence Day" is the number Sean Hannity is using on his show and it is a sad tune about wife beating. |
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Author: 62kgw Friday, April 03, 2009 - 12:38 pm |
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most foul/bitter Vietnamveteran treatment was at the hands/mouths of the far-left!!!Unions played a big part in driving manufacturers factories to far east and to Mexico!!! |
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Author: 62kgw Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 3:54 pm |
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Is White Rabbit a pill-poppoing song? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 6:45 pm |
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Damn! I was writing a reply to this thread, and the damned laptop ate everything that I had typed. I will be brief: |
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Author: 62kgw Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 12:09 pm |
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I think Hannitty first used it on 9-11 or 9-12?? |
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Author: 62kgw Friday, April 17, 2009 - 2:57 pm |
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Alice's Resturant is one of the most stupidest songs ever,especially the part about the jailmates!!! |
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Author: 62kgw Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 12:29 pm |
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mORE DRUG SONGS: |
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Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 1:33 pm |
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Of that list, I'd like to see somebody prove how any of them, other than "Mother's Little Helper" are about drug-related themes. Proud Mary is about a Mississippi River steam-powered riverboat--the kind that had the big paddle wheels in the back!! |
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Author: 62kgw Friday, May 01, 2009 - 8:53 am |
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I am quite sure I heard or read PaulM. of Beatles say that was inspiration of that song!!!I had heard about the Along comes Marymeaning "Mary Jane" for many years(perhaps 20 years or more from various sources.only heard about Proud Mary more recently.that was done by Tina Turner too!!!maybe the record company wanted to make people thing it was about riverboat rolling on the river rather than rolling a joint??? to increase mainstream airplay.maybe they fiddled a bit with the lyrics somewhat to do that???can Paul M and John F chime in here?? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, May 01, 2009 - 12:30 pm |
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AAAAARRRRRGHHHHHH?!?! This is too much. My head is about to explode! I'm going to exit this discussion to make way for John Fogerty to come on here and explain how the record company executives made him change the lyrics to his song. |
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Author: 62kgw Friday, May 01, 2009 - 6:13 pm |
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don't take it too seriously! your posts,AlfredoT are of good value!! |
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Author: Semoochie Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:36 am |
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Don't you feel better now? |
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Author: 62kgw Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 3:42 pm |
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I think John F. changed one of his song's Lyrics from"there's a bad moon on the rise"... to "there's a bathroom on the right"!!??? |
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Author: Jr_tech Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 5:03 pm |
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Possibly TRUE...From: |
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Author: 62kgw Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 11:42 am |
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I think I heard that John F. now lives in NE Oregon and brings his gee-tar to community get togerthers!!!???? |
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Author: 62kgw Monday, May 04, 2009 - 8:58 am |
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SEE NEW TALKIN' BLUES THREAD!! |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, May 04, 2009 - 10:11 am |
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OK-the pressure in my head has been relieved. I now present what would seem to me a very obvious question regarding a true all-folk radio station: If a radio station only played public-domain music (in other words, real folk), could the station get an exemption from paying BMI royalties? |
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Author: Jeffreykopp Monday, May 04, 2009 - 10:58 am |
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Pete Seeger turns 90: |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, May 04, 2009 - 11:04 am |
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Good one! I was just about to post this link: |
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Author: 62kgw Monday, May 11, 2009 - 8:32 am |
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another dope song:"Stoned Soul Picnic"?? |
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Author: 62kgw Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 10:56 am |
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ANOTHER"THE wILDWOOD wEED!!!?? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 12:17 pm |
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"Semi-Charmed Life" by Third Eye Blind had a reference to crystal meth. Actually, there was a musical group called the Crystal Method. However, none of the drug songs listed so far are folk; somebody owns the copyrights to the music and lyrics. |
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