Police Chief Nate Harper said the motive for the shooting isn’t clear, but friends said the gunman recently had been upset about losing his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/

Yep, another paranoid, former law abiding gun owner, just like the jerk who shot up the immigration center in NY yesterday. Aren't guns great? Let's arm more people!!

Seems like the moron made a good case FOR a gun ban.

Gun REGULATION......

More crazy whacked out self possesed people with illegal automatic rapid fire weapons to add insult to injury over using the so called legal firearms to kill their victims !

And the incident in Binghampton NY set him off on a copy cat extravaganza, I am so sure.

He wasnt supposed to have an AK47 to begin with, we have regulations already !

And he did exhibit a self fullfilling action here , didnt he ? What a Moron indeed !

Dont take the guns away from the sane people. Or only the crazy people will have the guns. Which then leaves the Govt with all the guns and I dont know which is more scary, crazy people or the government. There is more of the Government than there are crazy people , so perhaps the majority being the sane people need to have fire arms if they wish.

It's a mess.

I'm still for very strong education so that we are setting good norms for people regarding guns. When that happens, we have fewer problems.

Too bad we can't just off and have everybody go through, "are you really a nut-bag?" review every three years! LOL!!!

Of course then, somebody who knows they are a nut-bag will just go off at 2 years 11 months!

As a species, we are stupid.

What a week. NY, PA, WA. All with multiple killings. Some days it's just not worth reading the news.

Washington had an incident? I must have missed something.

Man killed his 5 kids then himself.

The TERRORISTS aren't in Iraq, they're here.

We're a nation of idiots -- the kind that are afraid of imaginary terrorists overseas yet quiet about the ones among us.

ya, I guess I did hear something briefly about that. Didnt realize it was WA.

Recent mass shootings have left 43 dead in the last week.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30046195/

This is what happens when you let everyone have a gun. They have a bad day and before you know it, people are dead.

So then they will use knives or clubs shovels or poison or something else. It is not as easy , but if the motivation is strong enough , it will happen.

Guns make it happen a lot more conveniently.

I say let them fight with clubs and knives. Then we'll see who the real men are.

Can't argue with that!

The thing is, Vitalogy, is that the people that WANT guns for illegal purposes, to cause harm, are going to get them. Whether they are illegal or not.

Look at Washington DC. They had a strict limitation/ban on handguns. Guess what, the murder rate has increased there. The people that legally need to protect themselves can't without a gun, and the bad guys have them anyways.

Are assault rifles really necessary? No. You're not hunting for deer with an AK-47, they're lead squirters plain and simple, meant to kill people. I've fired a few ... I'll take a 30-06 to go after Bambi before a Norinco SKS.

Do we have high crime rates in the United States? You bet. Higher than most industrialized nations? Yes. But to blame guns is wrong. It's the morons firing the guns! We need to do something about them, and honestly our judicial system is too backlogged, and our criminal justice system is too liberal (here's an area where I am VERY conservative), and these assclowns aren't rotting where they need to be.

Well put Brian.

Deane_johnson:
>Seems like the moron made a good case FOR a gun ban.

THANK you.....

This was probably a member of your "big tent" worrying over nothing. THIS is what's going to get you a gun ban eventually.

Brian, the problem is that a lot of these people did not buy guns for illegal purposes. They own them and then have a bad day and commit crimes they may have never intended to commit when obtaining the gun legally.

I've not done any real research on this, there are only so many hours in a day.
But could someone please indicate anywhere where Obama has indicated he'd be in favor of confiscating anyones guns?

I strongly suspect that this is a strawman created to generate hatred and fear of the President

If so, should the people who have been perpetuating this be charged with incitement to commit murder?

yes, but when you deer hunt with an AK47, you get the whole heard in one clip! Think of the extra meat for the food banks.......

Tried to find a positive in this mess and this was all I could come up with.

Maybe people should only be able to own smooth bore flint locks and dueling pistols. Caught with anything else and you are immediately executed. Harsh, but would bad guys get the message then?

President Obama said last year he agreed with the US Supreme Court's decision on the District of Columbia ban last year. But he also said reasonable restrictions are appropriate as well.

I think the only ones who don't agree with "reasonable restrictions" are the NRA, and the 23 percenters as a whole.

I own a shotgun. Before I bought it, the guy had to pull a police record on me to make sure I was okay to own it. I have no problem with this whatsoever, because A) I am using it for legal purposes (clay shooting, upland game bird hunting, etc.) and B) if them doing a background check, every time, keeps a gun out of the hands of ONE person who shouldn't have it, then they have succeeded. The Brady Bill, I also have no problem with. It fills two purposes IMHO, one being the background check and two being that people that are suicidal oftentimes want to do it as quickly as possible, and again if ONE person has to wait a week and think it over, and they decide to not end their life in that time frame, then that is a success.

Vitalogy, I know that in both of these cases, it was law-abiding guys who had some sort of a vendetta against the US Government, or a perceived one. Maybe a psychological analysis should be part of getting a gun as well, there are answers to these questions.

Banning guns is NOT the answer though. It will create a huge black market and increase organized crime like you wouldn't believe (it would rival, or even surpass the drug cartels, and prohibition), the bad guys would have no problem getting the guns, and those of us who use them in the manner which they were intended for, without harm to any other human, are left high and dry.

His fear was created by right-wing talk show hosts like Lars Larson.

That's what I'm getting at..

Conservative talk show hosts like Lars, want to make sure Obama fails at all costs.

To do that, the most effective tool they have is to play on the fears of people who are uninformed (like they always have).

If in doing so, they incite some nut to go out and kill a few people while he still has his gun, could they, should they be prosecuted?

Maybe people should only be able to own smooth bore flint locks and dueling pistols.

I already suggested that citizens be limited to muzzle loaders, the way our forefathers intended it to be.

Speaking of guns, law enforcement is saying that many of the guns used by Mexican drug cartels in their killing rampages are coming from the US. But the NRA and their conservative friends at Faux News say no, that's a myth; only 10 percent are coming from the US.

I have such a low regard for the NRA and Faux News, I’ll side with those who are claiming many are flowing into Mexico from the US.

... I wasn't trying to steal you idea, so I will offer up an alternate plan......

No guns, but bullets are ok as long as they are hand thrown..... people must also shout "BANG" whenever they throw one.

Do you shout "BANG" before or after it hits the target? In the real world, the bang comes after.

you shout bang whether it hits or not.

Remember, when a tree falls in the forest, it makes a sound whether there is someone to hear it or not

...when a tree falls in the forest, it makes a sound whether there is someone to hear it or not

Maybe.......maybe not..

Here is another twist on that age old preponderance;

If a man says something and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

Hijack over.

Guns Fear Mongering & President Obama 04-8-2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A5neW1k0Xg

many of the far left think that guns load,aim and shootwithout a person squeezing the trigger!