DUHbya and Co. should have been fighting here in the first place! Osama was here and he was the MASTERMIND behind 9/11. Thinking of all those YEARS wasted in Iraq. Hundreds of THOUSANDS of women and children killed in Iraq!!!!!
Drive them into Pakistan, corner them and get rid of them!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29898698

He's doing what the idiot squad we've had for the last eight years should have done, he's finishing the first war and trying to end the second. I've said all along we should have finished what we started in Afganistan and taken care of Bin Laden before starting another conflict that has nothing to do with the "war on terror". However, I was told by right wing talk show hosts and the "freedom loving" people running the government at the time I had better watch what I say. Isn't that right Deane? That's why I like to remind the righties that insist on coming on this site and annoying everyone with their hypocricies and right wing tripe their hero, George W. Bush did say "I don't think much about Bin Laden anymore". They have that on video and they seem to offer no reason why a man who declared a war on terror made such a statement. I just better watch what I say. THAT'S the conservative answer.

I love Obama's response to the poor folks in North Dakota: "Be Vigilant!"
He's like Bill and Ted, "be excellent dudes".
What a goof.
Where is he when they need him most? Not even a flyover?
This is change we need!

What the hell is he supposed to do? Fly Air Force One into Fargo and drive around in his motorcade from levy to levy getting the best possible photo op?

The last president mastered the art of the "flyover". Let the real work begin the White House working with local political leadership and the North Dakota congressional delegation.

"Be Vigilant" sounds a whole hell of a lot better than "Brownie, you're doin' a heck of a job."

to provide more topics for Hannitty , Rush and other Radio talk hosts!!!!

Dodger, you're such a rube. There are bigger fish to fry right now than a flyover in North Dakota.

Besides, the article I read yesterday told me all I need to know about these folks. They're spending their time in church praying rather than filling sand bags. So, it appears they've got it handled.

>>spending their time in church praying
ah...but it's who their praying to and what their praying that's most important.

Praying doesn't fill sand bags to stop the floodwaters from rising.

> ah...but it's who their praying to and what their praying that's most important.

OK, I will take the bait: which combination of supernatural being and prayer or incantation is most effective at stopping flood waters? How about Quetzalcoatl? Atlas? (Hey, he is strong enough to hold up the celestial sphere, so stopping floodwaters should be easy for him, right?) The Virgin Mary? (Turn on Catholic Radio and pray along!) The Flying Spaghetti Monster?

>>combination of supernatural being
Well it's quite apparent you don't know the God they're praying to but He still listens...thats Jesus Christ.
>>Praying doesn't fill sand bags
faith without works is dead...gotta have both.

Based on the fact the water level began dropping without breaching the levies, maybe prayer did work better than filling more sandbags.

...or dumb luck!

Either way, it's all good that they made it through the worst of it.

When they told me, "The Lord helps those that help themselves." that got translated into "work hard and hope it comes out ok".

Uh-oh. I think that Meg Griffin is coming to save me (those who watched Family Guy yesterday will appreciate the reference).

The water level dropped thanks to physics, not prayer. River levels can be predicted, and the prediction is not a guess.

And to be honest, why pray to a god that allowed the flood to occur? Seems kinda stupid if you ask me.

While God saved some people along the Red River, He did have a bunch of people assasinated in a nursing home.

>> He did have a bunch of people assasinated
you know not what you are saying...

Talk about a theological discussion that has gone sour.

For me prayer is communication with God. The actions of the sand baggers is based on community effort that may well be inspired by those who prayed then got to work.

Did prayer make this happen? I really don't know. But did prayer help some to put down their bibles and pick up there shovels to lend a help hand? I hope so.

Placing blame and heroics on God for things in this world that are not easily explainable is, IMHO, the wrong way to approach the entire God issue. It ain't that black and white.

Should we then not pray for those in North Dakota? No. Should we call dumb luck, physics, great geological miracle? Maybe.

Like Missing said....It's all good and I for one am thankful for at least now those people won't have to deal with an even worse disaster.

However the river could still crest and create flooding. I hope this reprieve gives those folks enough time to do what they need to do.

Placing blame and heroics on God for things in this world that are not easily explainable is, IMHO, the wrong way to approach the entire God issue. It ain't that black and white.

I agree. We shouldn't go around saying God saved someone or some people because he doesn't do that.

On the river thing, time spent praying is better spent filling sandbags, because in that case, praying really could kill ya.

broadway sez: you know not what you are saying...

Based on your posts in this forum, a reasonable person would have no choice but to conclude that about you.

>>prayed then got to work
faith and works...very Bible and the Godly thing to do...God, save these ND residence out of this weather mess...Amen.

Broadway, you've contributed to the destruction of God's image in this forum more than any other poster, ever. You're a person whose selfishness knows no boundaries. You think you're doing God's work, but in reality you hasten the civility of God's children. To describe you words that you can understand, you're pure evil.

"you're pure evil."

I wouldn't go that far Skep, but I can certainly understand your position.

Broadway is doing what many conservative evangelicals have been doing for years and that's simply to throw out enough scripture that they'll get brownie points from God and some kudo's of church members because they are sharing the light in a dark place.

Dan is hardly an evil man, but certainly in my opinion cherry picks scripture to justify his personal agenda, whether he knows that or not.

>>you've contributed to the destruction of God's image
He can handle it if that's how you see it.
>>you're pure evil
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

So basically Broadway is using this board for ONE REASON ONLY!

To Preach the word of god so he will get brownie points from his god. No Offense Chris Taylor, but I find that a bit pathetic on Broadways part. I find that Broadways posts are nothing but preaching, Its almost like he thinks he can brainwash people into becoming religious. Broadway has no real human charectoristics to his posts, infact he sounds almost like a robot, spewing off all of his religious diatribe.

Remember the 1980's Tv Show "Shes a small wonder"??? The main charector "Vickey the robot" reminds me a lot of Broadway. His posts are more "Robot like" than human. So from now on when you read Broadway's Posts, think "Vickey the Robot" is saying them. And if you forget Who "Vickey the Robot" is, here is a refresherhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdukNkdPoEo&feature=related

I wouldn't go that far Skep, but I can certainly understand your position.

What kind of words or phrases would make Broadway understand the level of destruction he inflicts on the very causes he supports?


Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

I got news for you, this is not a get out of jail free card for you to use after causing considerable damage to God's children. There'll be Hell to pay when He asks why you left this world worse off than when you found it.

Why do you bother Skep. Ok, so you hate God. We get it. You hate everything associated with God. Understood.

Let it go. Live your life and stop worrying about others.

Skep is just living his name/person...I pray that God will reveal Himself to him like Saul in the book of Acts...read it sometime Skep...a life changer.
North Dakota still needs our help/prayers.

mc74, Its kinda hard to hate something that may not exist. but it is EASY to hate someone who comes in here and preaches and preaches and preaches and preaches . . .

I'm quite sure there are more people that would celebrate the absence of Broadway from our planet than my absence, including God himself.

Justin-

First off I know Broadway personally. Actually we've known each other probably over 20 years. Part of the radio fraternity. So in that respect we are family.

My wife, whom Broadway knows, came from a very conservative church upbringing and is quite familiar with the way Broadway is presenting the gospel. It's the "answering questions no one is asking" approach which naturally eliminates quality dialogue. So what you are getting from Broadway are bible verses with no context thus they are of little or no value to the non-believer.

This is my major problem with the conservative/evangelical church. There is a change in the wind and they haven't recognized it as legit so they continue doing things the way they've always done it thinking it was the way Jesus did it. That mindset crept into Christianity about 150 years ago and hasn't left.

I try and take a more thoughtful approach limiting my biblical passages and trying to as honest as a person I can be with my own faith. Yes Broadway and I share the same faith and probably could sit down with each other and enjoy a good bible study despite our theological differences.

I would also love to sit with Skep and wax philosophically on ways we can change the world.

I quote one verse in this thread and this is what I get...
>>celebrate the absence of Broadway from our planet
>>It's the "answering questions no one is asking" approach
>>There'll be Hell to pay

Love all you guys! and I mean it...

I quote one verse in this thread and this is what I get

You can't take a hint even when we hit you over the head with a baseball bat. Meanwhile you just swing away hitting US over the head with your bat, over and over and over and over . . .


I would also love to sit with Skep and wax philosophically on ways we can change the world.

We should open The Church of No Nonsense. Believe in God? Go for it, talk to him daily! But keep your thoughts of Him to yourself. God will be able to contact others directly IF He feels it needed. What God does NOT do is answer prayers regarding all matters on Earth, We have to solve our own woes without His help. People that claim to be speaking on God's behalf are actually working on behalf of the Devil (or Rush Limbaugh).


Send your donations to www.churchofnononsense.com and help rid our planet nonsense enablers.

Interesting idea Skep.

Faith is personal but it's rarely private. It's how we choose to manifest itself among others is the real challenge.

Broadway seems to take this as some kind of personal badge of honor that will score points towards heaven. I have never really understood that kind of presentation of the gospel.

But we have digressed once again.

Broadway says
Love all you guys! and I mean it...

Broadway if you truely loved us you would understand that we don't want to be preached at. Please respect the fact that not everyone on this board is religious and not everyone wants to hear you preach at them. YOU KNOW that your preaching is pissing people off, yet you continue to do it. WHY?
Thats not very Godly if you ask me.
And thanks Chris Taylor for the good posts- you rock!

So the question now is...to quote a scripture is to be preached at cause isn't that's what started all this? Sad. There can be all kinds of profanities here and I speak up for right choices and get blasted. Sad again...

>>not everyone on this board is religious
not true..you're all (as the old Bob Dylan song says) gonna serve somebody...

>>some kind of personal badge of honor that will score points towards heaven.
Chris, sadly you don't know my motive for logging on to pdxradio daily.

" So the question now is...to quote a scripture is to be preached at cause isn't that's what started all this? Sad. There can be all kinds of profanities here and I speak up for right choices and get blasted. Sad again... "

OOOOOH. You were SO close to having a really good point. One that I almost was able to respond to positively. ( Well, let's be honest - I do see your point and have a hard time counterpointing you on that front ).

But ( and I'm not trying to put words in Chris' mouth ) you choose a few words, often, that frames everything you say as right. Not just for you, but for everyone else too. You would get a lot further by using the phrase " I believe " just a bit more often. I suspect that is what you actually mean when you say " right choices " but you rarely take the time to say it that way. Even though Missing " fixes " your posts sometimes. And when you continue to be so absolute, it's going to crack...I believe.

It's as if you believe that God will be disappointed in you for saying what you believe to be true - by saying YOU BEILIEVE this or that. Like God will notice that you are hedging your bets.

In my opinion, what I believe to be true is that having the confidence to mentally acknowledge an occasional interpretation that differs from you may actually gain favor with your God. And if your God has a problem with anything other than absolute expression absolutely, then, well, good luck with that in your daily logging on to PDXRadio.

Just give it some thought.

Dan-
Your motives are pretty obvious whether you think I know them or not.

I don't think people mind hearing about God, but its all in the message and the way it's presented. I feel very accepted by the same people who seem to despise your method of sharing the gospel. Why do you suppose that is?

I tried! "I believe" is completely and utterly honest and not offensive in the least. It's also not so authoritative, and that's the rub. The "bow down or God will teach you a lesson" types just hate that! Takes the fire out of the fire and brimstone! (funny how that works huh?)

IMHO, this matter is lost, and I've resigned to just letting it pass, but for those really ugly things that merit a solid response. Not for Broadway, that is what I mean by lost, for others...

And Broadway, we MAY or MAY NOT serve someone in the end. That is the faith part man! (hint: the "I believe" bit.)

It could be that all we have is the time here. Then again, it could be that we have some afterlife to enjoy. The jury is out, and we've no information from the beyond.

So then, we make our choices, and given the reality we live in, getting along in them and experiencing the here and now to the fullest is something we all have a vested interest in, with that interest ticking away, one minute at a time...

Life is too short man. You are who you are. My only regret is you not being able to see others in like kind.

...and God appears to put up with a lot. Heck a serial killer can find God and secure their entry into heaven, right?

Sure I'm right?

So then, what is a bit of honesty in expression? We all know you are all in on this deal. No worries! That's just conviction, and you have it to a level that makes everybody proud!

Good for you.

So then, being secure in that, having a rational discussion with somebody, whose convictions differ from yours does what exactly?

NOTHING!

Saying that "I believe" or "My choice is" does that! We know you are all in! We also know you recognize that others are not all in. Maybe it's just a value bet for them at this point in time, or they reject it all together.

The mere idea of realism isn't going to threaten the all powerful is it?

(and if it is, that's a very serious theological discussion, don't you think? I do.)

So then, does it threaten you as CJ implied?

If so, why?

Either you have your conviction, or you don't. Maybe you are worried about that, so you project it onto everybody and everything, hoping you do have it, because it's a problem if you don't?

Relax. You are who you are, and you believe what you believe.

These things are only a problem if YOU think they are. I know I'm not worried about any of it. You shouldn't be either.

And we don't agree on the basics, and that's absolutely ok.

Think hard on CJ's post.

>>I feel very accepted by the same people who seem to despise your method of sharing
My intentions are not acceptance, but sharing to what I believe is truth...no more, no less.
Why would that be offensive?

Really? That's all you got out of that?

Okie dokie.

Good grief!!!

Broadway. Please sit down, get whatever calms you, put away the TV, radio or whatever and read this a few times.

It's offensive because you don't simply state that "you believe". It's that simple.

Guys I try. I really really try.

>>don't simply state that "you believe"
So all you want from me is a softer/gentler Broadway in the expressions of my faith...guess I'm just the blunt type...like many/all of you posters.

Here's a simple example Dan:

Chris says: I believe Jesus is God's only son.

Broadway: You need Jesus to be saved.

Difference: I own my own beliefs. I share them and express them as my own. I also try and clarify my personal beliefs. Ultimately they are my own.

However you tell people how they should believe. That's the difference. Just own your beliefs and you will get more respect from those here and they will be more incline to accept those beliefs.

It's really embarrassing at times to read your posts. You're a much smarter person than you appear on this side of thread.

And to add to that, others can see that is working for Chris and how. And if that is appealing, they are gonna ask. And I'm not putting Chris on some pedestal. He's just the resident example. (I'll still good for that coffee Chris, just let me know when and where!)

Even I the uncouth unbeliever went to Sunday School. That's how it works! That is the hook, the witness, the message! Dude, that is the secret sauce!

Threatening others, with absolute statements closes the door to advocacy. They shut down and when that happens you are done, out, marginalized! Want to know a KSKD secret? It works for ANYTHING, not just religion. This discussion lies at the core of how people communicate, come to be friends, become enlightened! Funny how that Sunday School works isn't it?

I've entertained this more than I should. I'm going to out and say that because Chris stated it was worth a bit of time.

Is it?

And in all honesty I like Dan. We've known each a long time. Have shared some similar experiences in our radio careers. The dude knows technology, his way around an production room and the inside of a transmitter. You got a hum in your studio, Dan probably could locate it and fix it.

Missing I appreciate your kind words. And yes that long overdue conversation away from this board and our commitments is needed. I'll let you know.

>>long overdue conversation away from this board
Hey, can I join in? Promise to listen more than talk!

As long as you bring pictures of your grandchild Dan.

it is the newest Obama outrage!!!

The fact that he has been doing things for America instead of Iraq?

>>bring pictures of your grandchild
got em...and he get's an A++ in cuteness...

I wouldn't expect anything less.

Always good to appreciate your kids.