Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/pelosi-tells-illegal-immigrants-work- site-raids-american/

This bimbo is a real piece of work. But considering that she's from California, it's understandable.

If someone is here in the United States ILLEGALLY then they need to be deported.

Period.

If they want to come here LEGALLY, I'll welcome them with open arms. They can get in line with all the others who are doing it the right way.

But Pelosi wants to turn a blind eye to people committing a crime.

It is my sincerest hope that she does not get re-elected. Our country would be a better place.

Where is the crime for just being here?

I'm curious as I don't think I've read it.

The crime is that they entered our country ILLEGALLY.

EDIT ADD: There is a process for coming here. Follow it and be welcomed or don't follow it and be deported.

Giving the ILLEGALS anykind of amnesty is a slap in the face to all the immigrants who came here LEGALLY and worked hard to become American citizens or at least they registered and pay taxes like the rest of us.

If you or I went to any country and snuck across their border, we'd end up in their jail. And their jails (from what I hear) are not country clubs like ours are.

It is a felony to enter the US Illegally. They are lawbreakers and should be put in jail. Now leagly immigrate to the US. They are welcome CITIZENS. Sneak in our country in the dead of night. Off to jail you should go.

Thank you!

But considering that she's from California

People that generalize are trolls.

Off to jail you should go.

So then, you support the building of more prisons and hiring of more law enforcement officials aka raising taxes?

I believe in the rule of law. Felons should be put in jail. Period. And build as many jails as needed.

Actually, I just wanted to see the actual law.

I'm all for cleaning that all up. Just haven't actually seen the law.

What should be the punishment for companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants? Just a slap on the wrist? Perhaps to be fair it should be as harsh on the company as it would be on the individual who will have to endure the hardship of being deported?

Maybe have the company pay the cost of deportation? I bet that'd be one hell of a deterrent.

Not only is this practice Un-American, it is also racist. Would they raid a group of all Anglo people even though they might be illegal? You bet they wouldn't.

"Let me see your papers comrade."

Brianl: Maybe have the company pay the cost of deportation? I bet that'd be one hell of a deterrent.

I was thinking more like prison for company officers and managers who knowingly hire undocumented workers. If such a penalty were enforced, what do you suppose would happen to the number of undocumented workers who could get hired here? It would plummet. Immigrants wouldn't come to the US in the first place if there weren't easy jobs waiting for them.

>>It is a felony to enter the US Illegally
Will they arrest you for wanting to get into Mexico illegally?

I also think simple prison is the best deterrent. If it's just money, then it's just risk / reward, and if the cost / benefit is favorable, they will do it anyway.

Put into business terms, prison carries with it one hell of a high opportunity cost!

Yes, come down hard on any employer who breaks the law. Put them in jail too. And it is not raist to want people to follow the law. Do we get to pick and chose which felonies we ignore???

Here's an interesting story form this morning's Omaha World Herald on the subject. Bottom line is that after the raids on packing plants in Nebraska several years ago, the meat packers began paying higher wages to attract legal workers.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10590073

Yep, it's a hell of a lot easier to crack down on illegal employers rather than illegal workers, because illegal employers tend to have fixed addresses and pay taxes, plus they have something to lose, whereas illegal workers generally have nothing to start with. And there are a lot fewer illegal employers than illegal workers to track down.

Deane, that's a good point. It's a twofold issue here; the illegal workers that come in and accept work, under the table wages, for often much less than minimum wage even ... and these companies that employ these illegal folks, paying them under the table (no payroll taxes). Oftentimes it's substandard working conditions as well.

We have the systems in place that we do to ensure a legal work force, that is in a safe working environment, ensuring the proper taxes being paid and deducted.

It's not right to strictly blame the illegal aliens. We, as a society, have largely enabled their place here. Both sides are at fault, and I feel that both sides should pay the price. We MUST set up some sort of deterrent for the illegal aliens, so they don't come over ... the current detention and deportation isn't the answer because they keep coming back. We need to be much stricter in cracking down on businesses that KNOWINGLY hire illegal help (there's a lot of illegals that get fake IDs, Social Security Cards, green cards, etc.).

I have never held it against the illegals. After all, it's only proper that a person should do everything they can to improve their families life. That's what America is all about.

The best way for us to handle this thing is cut off the work opportunities and we would hardly need a border patrol. Penalties on companies should be high and, as stated somewhere above, include executive jail time. It would get controlled very fast.

If we need workers from Mexico, let them enter on some sort of work permit in a legal manner.

"If we need workers from Mexico, let them enter on some sort of work permit in a legal manner."

And MOST do it in a legal manner!

I've had Mexican immigrants work for me over the years, and to be honest, even with the language barrier, I prefer them in many ways to the average American youth that seems to be out there. It's not a slight on anyone, just an observation, but the work ethic of the Mexican immigrants I have employed, the attention to detail, the JOY of working, is well above what I have seen from our own people. These people will do anything to better the lives of themselves and their families, and that is to be commended. Even enter the US illegaly and try to work in what we consider substandard conditions for a substandard wage, that's big bucks and big opportunities for them!

If we hold the companies that employ illegals to the fire more, that might be the answer. Increased border patrols are noble, but I don't honestly know how feasible they are ... they'll still get here, some how, some way, and circumvent the border patrol.

Brian, I have to agree that they can make pretty good workers. Our local blind factory that we get product from was having a terrible time with turnover a few years ago. I pointed out to the CEO that since they were located near an area heavily populated with Mexicans, why didn't they recruit them. They would be far less likely to leave a decent job where they were treated well.

The company followed my advice and their turnover dropped to almost nothing. They even started English language classes for those who wanted to learn.

I find them to be charming and courteous people. The language is beautiful IMO, as our some of the customs.

We simply need the mechanism to only hire those who are here legally. That may have to include some sort of pathway to legality for those already here. That's a bit deep to figure out, however.

Andrew asked: What should be the punishment for companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants...

Punishment should be VERY steep. Start with $50,000 per day per illegal and 1 month in jail per day per illegal for the person who hired the illegal, their manager and the CEO of the company for the first occurrence. If they knowingly continue, the fine and jail time go up by a factor of 10 for each violation.

Make examples out of a few of them and it'll stop or at least go way down.

The illegal should be deported.

That being said, if they are serious about wanting to be here, give them all the assistance they need in doing it legally.

As I said above, I'll welcome most anyone from any country that wants to come here legally.

Most of us are not native Americans, so somewhere in our bloodlines a relative immigrated here. That's what makes this country great.

Wow, I agree with Deane!

And, I also agree with Skybill regarding Pelosi. Not because of the article regarding the raids, but because I think she's divisive and I think Democrats could do better than her.

And I disagree with the raids on the workers. Raid the employer!

!Viva Vitalogy!

Yep. I'm there too, particularly the employer part.

Remember the canning plant in North Portland a few years back? We need more of those. The sad part was that families were torn apart, etc. Part of me empathizes with the workers, they are trying to do what they can to make life better for their families ... at the same time, they need to do it legally. Kinda torn there.

I have ZERO empathy for the companies though. You KNOW the rules, you have no excuses. Play by them.

As far as Pelosi, I'm in agreeement with Bill and Vitalogy ... but her district is happy with her and they keep electing her, and it's THEIR say. San Francisco is probably about the most liberal town in the US, and that happens to be her area, so get used to it.

"but her district is happy with her and they keep electing her, and it's THEIR say"

But the Democrats don't need to elect her as their showpiece as Speaker of the House. It makes the whole party look bad.

I'm not a fan of Pelosi (or Harry Reid), either.

Me too. They are going to prove to be in the way of progressive change.

Plus they are just wimps! What is with that?

I can see some dealing in the Senate, but the House?

Come on! Tell them to stuff it, just as they would, pass some stuff and get it to the Senate, helping Reid.

I'm not a fan of Pelosi (or Harry Reid), either.

Ditto that. Pelosi can seem rather hauty at times and Reid seems better suited for a committee chairmanship, not majortiy leader.

Polosi seems better suited to be an expensive call girl and Reid a small town undertaker. Can't you just see him talking softly to the mourners as they come in to view the dearly departed.

With all the unemployment going on, this seems like it would be a perfect petri dish to see if illegal aliens are taking jobs that Americans want.

Are they?

Polosi seems better suited to be an expensive call girl...

Only if the man is blind drunk!

Pelois should be fired! But if you fire her then also fire Boehner... Tit for tat...


Polosi seems better suited to be an expensive call girl...

Sorry guys but that award goes to PAINlin. Slut if there ever was one!



And Kay Bailey Hutchison... WOW! There's a head case and a half. Outter Fin space!