Remember the trip to Peoria to visit Caterpillar and make a big announcement that the CEO says that as soon as the stimulus bill passes, they'll begin hiring. And when Obama got back on Air Force One the CEO of Caterpillar asks where Obama got that BS, they were going to lay off more workers, not hire back.

Well, the stimulus bill passed (unfortunately) and guess what. Caterpillar lays off 2,454 workers.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96VT8RO0&show_article=1

You libs are going to learn. It will come slow, but it will happen. You'll learn you didn't get what you thought you were getting.

The more intelligent libs on the forum will catch on first, the slower ones, those still wrestling with Bush, will take longer to catch on.

"You libs are going to learn. It will come slow, but it will happen. You'll learn you didn't get what you thought you were getting."

You try so hard Deane, what is your point? I distinctly heard Barack Obama say "you will not agree with me all the time" and I was fine with that.

Now, if President Obama (man that sounds good ) nominates conservative judges then you can come back and harass us 'libs' about it.

"The more intelligent libs on the forum will catch on first, the slower ones, those still wrestling with Bush, will take longer to catch on."

Tell us Deane, whose fiscal policies has caused this train wreck?

Obama is burning through political capital faster than GM is burning through cash.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/16/AR2009031600640_ pf.html

This is certainly one target rich environment these days.

"Tell us Deane, whose fiscal policies has caused this train wreck?"

Wall Street greed is not a fiscal policy.

Looks like the stock market is up again! 178 today!
Good news is nice to talk about isn't it....




Obama is burning through political capital faster than GM is burning through cash.

Like DUHbya did in Iraq????

"Wall Street greed is not a fiscal policy.

It sure is, when you look the other way when its happening. Besides, according to the neocons, greed is a virtue and is good.

In general, liberals believe that sensable regulations should be in place to keep the greed in check.

Talk to Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd about your theory.

Deane,

We've been down this road before.
Do we need to go over this again?

Apparently we do. There are still some here who have some learning to do.

Obviously.

Tell me.
How did Barney Frank and Chris Dodd vote when this legislation to regulate FM & FM was brought up for a vote?

Deane-

Please explain to me what is going to happen when Obama's socialist state occurs. How will that affect you and me personally? I truly want to know.

You've been hammering so hard lately I'm really trying to figure why. Fear? Uncertainty? To be honest I'm a bit baffled by all your posts recently.

I guess we'll have to get used to "Deane's Daily Dump".

Don’t give Deane and his hollow claims much credence. It’s like listening to one of those get rich quick schemers on late night TV. It’s just fanciful thinking. If you do any sort of objective reading, it’s clear Deane’s claims that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are responsible for the housing crisis is as compelling as believing what Dick Cheney had to say during his Sunday interview on CNN. It's malarkey, totally and completely.

Old man Deane has his panties in a wad because he's now realizing just how irrelevent he and his party have become.

The hate America first crowd is cheering for Obama to fail, and Deane is front and center.

" Remember the trip to Peoria to visit Caterpillar and make a big announcement that the CEO says that as soon as the stimulus bill passes, they'll begin hiring."

No. I don't remember that. That doesn't make it untrue though. But to answer your question; No.

Does this example mean that this or any stimulus package is bad now?

Speaking of which, did anyone see Mr. Breitbart on Bill Maher last Friday night? He's a moron.

What it means is that any stimulus package that does not directly increase Deane's bottom line is bad.

Here's an interesting notion: What would happen if the next time Deane puts up one of his typical trolling posts, that everyone ... and I do mean everyone ... ignored it?

Talk to Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd about your theory.

What the f**k is that supposed to mean?

...the next time Deane puts up one of his typical trolling posts, that everyone ... and I do mean everyone ... ignored it?

It would never happen.

I suggested that when Dr. Johnny Fever was spewing his filth and people kept responding to him.

I did. That was the first time I had seen him speak. He's sorta cursed with a delivery style that is very off-putting. He reminds me of Steele that way. Loutish and in a constant state of outrage and feigned insult.

I didn't really care for either of the panel members that night. That professor guy, while possibly smart, had a cadence and rythym that was too..something...for my taste. Everyone responds to different styles. I just didn't happen to be very engaged by either of them.

Oh well.

And Maher is overly touchy about people's reactions to jokes when he sets them up wrong. That's his fault. He's sharper than what I've seen these past couple weeks. I couldn't do any better. But he's always got some gripe about technical issues or punchlines not landing - then blaming everyone else for a perfectly reasonable reaction.

So let me get this right Deane. You're blaming Obama for the lies told by some crook CEO? That's out there even for you. It's too bad you don't seem to want to discuss how corporate america has their hand out there just to put the money in their own back pockets. It's too bad you don't want to discuss the shortcoming of your side and how they had 12 years and this is the result. This mess is the fault of the bible thumpers and corporate crooks on the right, get it? I thought not. Well, go back and find out what else Uncle Rush has to say and you can come back and spew more of his crap tomorrow since you think he's so smart. That's where you're getting all this.

Wow does the hatred run deep around here for anything not liberal. It's amusing to watch. What a waste of a bunch of lives. I'm finding it rather amusing.

I believe you.

Isn't there a field in the Midwest that needs plowing?

Didn't Bush enact the first recent huge bailout?

Deane, let's review: The company told the administration one thing, and then the CEO changed his mind. He screwed his employees, not the President.

Obama feeds us yet another pie!

I like pie. You like pie too?

>>hatred run deep around here for anything not liberal
Hang in there for the truth Deane...here with ya...most that hang out here massivly on the other side of most issues but just continue to stick to your guns...we know we're right more ways than one...and I truly like all who post here...demeaning comments and all...

It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about getting things done that need to be done. It just happens Broadway and Deane see it differently than a lot of us.

I am sure there is some middle ground somewhere.

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Ignored Deane, to be clear!

I just don't have any time for "Obama Sucks" threads. Have ideas on how to improve things?

Love reading about those, sharing those, advocating for them.

Again, this President has made it extremely clear ANYONE is welcome to contribute to the discussion in a constructive way.

The agenda is getting our own house in order, in general terms. Cherry picking where this isn't happening leads to what end game?

Obama fails? Screw that.

People lose support? So that leads to marginalization and maybe failure again?

No thanks.

It hasn't even been the 100 days. Lots of good things have happened, and the ratio appears solid.

This means there is absolutely no reason to start dumping. And take note, what I am saying right now is exactly what we were hearing from the Republicans when they called the shots.

And during that time LOTS of great ideas were contributed. Some of those are happening right now. It's in the archives, go look and see.

This President has put up public forums for exactly this kind of thing to happen. This President is opening up government. And a few early reconsiderations indicates this President is listening.

So there is NO excuse for this kind of crap. Liberal / Progressive / Independent people got called for lack of ideas, no plan, anti-American, extremist, socialists, and god knows what else I could find, if I went back and looked.

Despite all of that, those good conversations happened, and they mattered. We fricking WON dammit!

It's time to deal or kneel on this stuff. Liberal does not mean weak, nor stupid, nor any other negative thing, despite 30 years or so of negative framing and branding otherwise.

This is our time, and I for one want the most of it. A lot of ground was lost. The sooner we make it up, the better all of us will be.

Any contribution otherwise simply is just a bunch of whining, and as I recall that got leveled at most of us too, along with ham-fisted, hand wringing, and other retorts.

And Deane, if you wonder why I just didn't give you any real consideration, stuff it next time you decide to call me on "spending time away from work" to bother to give your sorry ass the time of day. If you knew half of what I actually do, why, how and what value it has, you would retract that in a second. Instead, you decide to just take pot shots so that you cop a buzz to compensate for the major downer your ego is delivering you right now.

You know, there are happy pills for that! Probably you can get them covered too. Or... phone a friend. I'm sure you know enough people to get hooked up with something to escape the pain for a while. It's not hard.

Since the mode of the site appears to be more verbose expression, I'll comply and let you have it fair and square! Believe me, I'm more than happy to dish out a nice, full, verbose, helping of progressive kick ass. To quote our ex-Vice President, "And I feel better having said it!"

(and now, it's ignored unless constructive)

Since Deane was the one that opened the door with "wasted lives" I have to do this rebuttal:

Seeing that you're near the end of yours Deane, rational people, after listening to what you've been sputtering lately, will have to conclude it is you that wasted a life.

Quote from the Spagetti Monster Bible: Judge not others as they will then have no choice but to judge YOU!

"call me on "spending time away from work"

A bit of a touchy subject I guess. Does this come under the category "the truth hurts", or something else?

It comes under the category of you being an ass. You've pulled that in various forms on various people whenever you get a response that stings a little. You've pulled it on me repeatedly.

That just sucks, and it pissed me off. It's that simple. I am not threatened in any way over that question. Never have been, never will be. It's also well known here that I absolutely do not mind intense, frank and aggressive conversation! When that happens, good stuff falls out of it. That's time well spent. Always is.

It sucks because I considered your query, took a bit of time to respond and found it to be a complete waste of time because your query was less than honest. So fuck it. Why bother? That happens from time to time. No worries. Sometimes people are not well aligned. But, when it happens in such a way that the game is clear, it is annoying.

Truth is, I know you are capable of much better!

I enjoy conversing with you when you are not just out for a hammer a liberal warm fuzzy. This particular liberal knows better and isn't going to take your crap.

I do not enjoy Deane the ass.

It's particularly annoying to see you posting up this crap, when I know it does not add up, and I know YOU know it does not add up, but you do it anyway. This is selfish.

I like you Deane. Many here do. I don't have to keep liking you, and I don't want to go down that road.

There it is.

How it goes from here is your deal. Door is open. You have lots of friends here, me included. Why not join the party in earnest and do what we have done before; namely, talk about the events of the day, how it impacts us, what we think, and all that stuff, instead of looking for a bit of simple game at our expense?

Missing, you already know I like and respect you. Don't let the discussion get under your skin. I actually believe you're a deep thinker.

I'm a believer that sensitive people (comment not directed at you) should not participate in forums like these. Sooner or later they will get all bent out of shape.

I'm attacked all the time. Doesn't bother me at all. I believe that those who dish it out better be ready to take it (referring to me, not you).

Now, I'm off to get a hair cut and some memory for my camera.

You can start by dropping the labels Deane. When you start every post with "You libs are all the same" it doesn't strengthen your presence here. If you really want to make some fiscal policy points with the open minded progressive (which makes up a good 80% of the postership) using constant haranguing will not get the job done. All labeling does is make it easy for counter labeling. It's funny, most of the progressives here also like to be involved in posts other than politically driven ones. I can't find any contributions from you that aren't either a condemnation of the new administration, trying to cast blame for Bush's errors in judgement as somehow a Clinton mistake or fearmongering in general. Posting on the other side of the forum doesn't count.

It takes two to tango, buddy. Keep shoveling shit and eventually your boots stink. And more memory in your camera and a haircut won't change that.

I'll bet you can't start a post that isn't an attack on someone, be it Obama, Geitner or Clinton. That's the nature of the narrow minded. If you post like a cornered rodent, you end up being treated like one.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Andy, I took all my cues from the way Bush was treated by posters on this forum when he was in office. I did not set the precedence.


"it doesn't strengthen your presence here"

Somehow, I don't feel the need to strengthen my presence here.


"And more memory in your camera and a haircut won't change that."

Another feeble attempt at a personal insult.

Like you've never insulted other users yourself?

Do you even bother to go back and READ any of the stuff you post here, Deane? I mean, you do realise that the more you insult other users, the weaker your presence here becomes, and the less credible you become.

Please go look up "HYPOCRISY" in the Book Of Webster, chapter 8. It's in there.

*sigh* This, children, is what the computer network you know today as the "Internet" has become after Eternal September first started......

"Like you don't insult other users yourself?"

Mostly their political thinking, not the kind of personal insults that are directed at me. I don't find it bothersome though, it simply means they don't have a political rebuttal, so they have to try to insult the messenger. Down deep, it's confirming my position.

That's what's got the libs so up tight. They are fearful that Obama isn't what they thought he was and it's creating tension.

"Mostly their political thinking, not the kind of personal insults that are directed at me. I don't find it bothersome though, it simply means they don't have a political rebuttal, so they have to try to insult the messenger."

I have asked you once before, and now I will ask again: Do you even bother to go back and READ any of the stuff you post here, Deane? You apparently can't come up with a decent political rebuttal yourself so you usually end up insulting the other messengers.

It's all here, on record, for the whole Internet to see, Deane. All your little spats with Trixter, your constant "damn Libs" or "evil Democrats" banter, etc. It's all out here in the open so that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Google can see it. I'm just pointing it out to you.........

"They are fearful that Obama isn't what they thought he was and it's creating tension."

Can you procure five pieces of verifiable evidence to back this claim up? Real-world stuff, not Limblah, Fox Noise etc. REAL, VERIFIABLE STATISTICS AND REPORTS with URLs. Links that work only with M$IE or Netscrape don't count: I have to be able to see and read them in Firefox and KDE Konqueror. I'll be standing by.

Obama is everything I expected and more. I couldn't be happier. The only one that appears uptight is you, based on your rabid posts regarding Obama. I think you're a closet racist.

Even some of us moderate-types, that are a lot closer to you on many views than you happen to believe Deane, are happily in the Obama corner.

You have mentioned your disdain for the Bush administration's reckless spending and poor fiscal policies, and I laud you for that Deane. But instead of seeing someone come across who has genuinely MORE of an interest in the everyday American and takes steps and plans action against corporate greed (read: AIG for example), you play simple partisan politics and denounce the man, probably mostly because he has that (D) affixed to his name and title. Posting articles that clearly state one thing, you coming behind it and saying it states something completely different and irrelevant to the article, and when questioned about it, you tell us to "read between the lines" Deane, makes YOU look like the fool.

I know you're smarter than that. Most everyone here knows you're smarter than that. If you're afraid to engage in some tough questioning in regards to something you may post that's controversial, the suggestion on the table is that you just simply not engage anything at all.

"It's all here, on record, for the whole Internet to see, Deane. All your little spats with Trixter, your constant "damn Libs" or "evil Democrats" banter, etc. It's all out here in the open so that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Google can see it. I'm just pointing it out to you........."

Thanks for doing so. I hadn't thought of that benefit.



"I think you're a closet racist."

You fascination with racism is sick. No wonder you work so hard to hide your identity.

" But instead of seeing someone come across who has genuinely MORE of an interest in the everyday American and takes steps and plans action against corporate greed (read: AIG for example), you play simple partisan politics and denounce the man, probably mostly because he has that (D) affixed to his name and title."


I don't think you've focused yet on what this reckless spending is going to do to this country. Believe me, history will not regard him as a saint.

I have no fascination with racism, I just call it like I see it. You've had a history of questionable postings regarding Obama and race, and given your generation, it's not a stretch.

"I don't think you've focused yet on what this reckless spending is going to do to this country. Believe me, history will not regard him as a saint."

I think I have, more than you might recognize.

Bush inherited a budget SURPLUS even amidst a recession, slashed taxes for folks making $100k or more, built up the largest federal government in the history of the United States, deregulated everything he could get his hands on seemingly, and got us in an expensive, unjustified situation in Iraq. With nothing, or next to nothing, going to infrastructure. No transparency on the money either, and LOTS of no-bid government contracts handed out to companies that backed the Bush administration.

Now we have more transparency, and accountability, and *gasp* infrastructure renewal and repair that's going to happen! At least the money is going to help make America and the average American better, not overseas or to make the executive American better.

May I remind you that Bush, up to this point, has run the highest budget deficits in our nation's history. Who was second-highest? Reagan. Both "fiscal conservatives".

I don't happen to be a Bush supporter and have posted so several times in the past.

Focusing on what Bush did is now of no consequence. We are where we are, and it's now Obama's crisis. He wanted the responsibility, and he got it.

There are still some here who have some learning to do.

Too bad YOU can't see YOUR the one that needs to learn... What a shame... Your one heck of a PD but when it come s to politics.... YOUR FIRED!

"Focusing on what Bush did is now of no consequence. We are where we are, and it's now Obama's crisis. He wanted the responsibility, and he got it."

That's a crock. If we don't spend adequate time reviewing the steps that got us to where we are today, we’re bound to repeat them. It not that complicated. In the 1930’s, President Roosevelt signed a multitude of laws that have been essential in keeping this sort of thing from becoming even more cataclysmic than it is today. The laws he signed were enacted in large measure to redress decisions made by past administrations and the Federal Reserve.

History is our best teacher. To dismiss any sort of review of past administrations flies in the face of making good public policy decisions, especially in today’s environment.

Focusing on what Bush did is now of no consequence. We are where we are, and it's now Obama's crisis. He wanted the responsibility, and he got it.

Spoken like a true neo-CON fascist.....

Still waiting on those links, Deane.

































Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick..............























* gets up to get more coffee *

Actually, I would recommend holding your breath until they get posted.

So then, by making that statement, you are in effect stating that you can't verify your claim. You are thus essentially stating you haven't any credibility. You are stating you'd rather merely throw around meaningless words strung together in a way that resembles anti-Obama sentiment. That's all they are Deane, meaningless words.

You'd much rather resort to making personal attacks to those who don't agree with your empty words, than to actually attempt to back them up with verifiable fact. If you'd any data to back up said empty words, you'd maybe have a little more credibility.

Motozak2, I don't even know what links or claim you're talking about. There get to be so many posts in a row that I lose track of who asks what.

I'll just agree with your assessment above and go and enjoy a movie in my home theater instead.

LOL. You really love that home theater, eh? You remind me of this guy -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M

CJ, I enjoy the movies as a tune-out. There is nothing on TV to watch, nothing.

But, back to the theater. Eight foot screen, 18" servo controlled subwoofer, Atlantic Technology THX speakers, high definition projector, total darkness, blu-ray player and 1800 movies in house. Would you enjoy it?

Heck yeah, I would.

Actually, I would recommend holding your breath until they get posted.

Spoken like a true pinko commie facists neo-CONer.....

There get to be so many posts in a row that I lose track of who asks what.

That's in direct proportion to the BS you post.

"There is nothing on TV to watch, nothing."

At least we agree on that. Even OPB seems to be getting kind of stagnant lately......

Please don't get me started on commercial TV. Seems the most exciting thing there lately has been KGW's substitute for Weather Plus+ on 08-02.

You know what OPB did during this most recent pledge period about a week ago? They simulcast the same damn programming across ALL THREE of their ATSC TV subchannels. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of multicasting. (You getting sick of listening to aging rock & rollers who you thought died years ago raising discordant cacophony on 10-01? Simple.....listen to it on 10-02 or -03 instead........ ;o)

Remember when Newton Minnow said TV was becoming a huge wasteland in the 60's? I think he was a little ahead of his time.

Nice rig Deane. The total darkness thing is one hell of a treat!

I've been in a home setup like that, and it brings out the movie like no other.