Question For Fiscal Conservatives!

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Author: Newflyer
Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 9:14 pm
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Why aren't businesses running "like a business?"

Seems like whenever anything that's not operated/backed by a business wants changes to happen to things like the tax structure/rates, regulations, etc., some of the first to jump up in opposition are those that say "it ought to be run like a business."

Where are these people now? It's a given that all these companies that produce inferior products and services are demanding government handouts (read: welfare), so they can continue to not turn a profit and continue to make inferior products and services just as they've been for years. Worse yet, their business plan for turning things around is they have no plan!

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 9:48 pm
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Nice question.

We've been asking it ourselves. Small to mid-sized businesses run generally very well. Big business doesn't.

Most of the owner and self-employed types I talk to, agree with the run like a business bit, just not big gut the company and walk with millions kind of business.

Author: Broadway
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 9:01 am
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I don't care what size your business is, it's not very wise for a government to bail it out with our tax dollars...we have systems allready in place for failures.

Author: Chris_taylor
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 9:07 am
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Please name those systems Dan.

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 9:18 am
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Yes, please do.

All I see is nationalized losses, and privatized gains. They gamble, line their pockets no matter what, and leave the mess on our dime.

Where is the failure system?

Thinking FDIC?

Well, it appears that banks were not paying their insurance premiums for the last 10 years, so even that is on our dime.

And then we have ordinary people. They trusted these institutions. Big business comes with a measure of trust because it's supposed to be substantial! That's the BIG part, right?

What of the pensions gambled away? Pilfered to pay exec compensation, while Bob the 30 year employee gets to work at Wal*Mart as a greeter because his pension just evaporated?

Does he get the years back to try again?

Does anybody do jail time for that crime?

What about all those college funds, retirement funds, and other funds that people TRUSTED big business with?

Sure, it's easy to say they took a risk. What do you tell them when the risk was many times higher than they were informed of? Is that still the same thing then?

Do we all just put our dollars in a mattress?

Please do detail these failure systems. I'm looking really hard for them. Not seeing much right now.

Author: Broadway
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:01 am
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>>Please name those systems
Chapter 7/11 or sell it.

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:56 am
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Another works until it doesn't policy then?

This crap you post up as "common sense", "wisdom" really is pretty darn useless.

Author: Broadway
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 12:12 pm
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>>"common sense", "wisdom"
so printing up dollars is best? We don't have the money here to do what the current administration is wanting...inflation is coming.

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 12:17 pm
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Only if value isn't being created.

We have plenty of value being created right now. Would have more, but for Republicans trying to water down the bill.

Think about that.

Author: Broadway
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 4:28 pm
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>>plenty of value being created right now
are you kidding??????...the massive loss of jobs...dive bombing stock market...bailing out of everyone...do you read the daily news...???
This is so sad...

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 4:39 pm
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Broadway, you need to consider the simple idea of latency.

There is a passage of time between a significant event and it's impact on our jobs and lives.

The bill just passed will build a lot of value, and in fact that building has started; thus, my post above!

We are still suffering from a lot of other bills passed that let people suck it out of our economy. And that's what we are seeing right now.

Put simply, Passing the stimulus didn't cause this market crash, nor did it cause the loss of jobs. That happened over the last 5 years, probably more.

Latency.

I'm done with you on this topic though. You really, truly don't get it.

Sorry.

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 4:59 pm
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When businesses fail either due to managerial incompetence or sabotage, doesn't somebody else always end up eating the loss, regardless of whether the government bails out the business or whether it files for Chapter 11 or Chapter 7 bankruptcy (protection)?

Maybe, we have too many people like "the looters" in Atlas Shrugged running around. :-) Disclaimer: I acknowledge that Atlas Shrugged is just literature. It should not be taken literally, either as prophecy or as a guide to proper behavior.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 5:20 pm
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We don't have the money here to do what the current administration is wanting...inflation is coming.

How about what the LAST administration did? They printed money like it was going out of style. YOU neo-CONers seem to forget that..... ALL THE TIME!


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