I just watched it.

Terrible.

That's all.

We all just gone done living it.

Horrible.

It's enough.

Who needs a movie.

Burma Shave.

Pedro's South Of The Border 561 miles

Its a movie that compromised. Had it hit Bush harder, it would have been better.

Come on. It was Oliver Stone. He made the movie he wanted to make. I don't see how he compromised anything. He hit exactly where and how hard he wanted.

Frankly, I got tired of the hitting. It wasn't that it lacked toughness. It just was kinda stupid. It's just my opinion and I could have done no better. But I was disappointed.

Oh, you think so? Well, I thought he pulled punches and spent way too much on Bush's younger days when he could have explored more of what was going on inside the White House -- perhaps I was expecting a different film.

Maybe the Bush presidency was so bad one couldn't possibly make a decent movie about it. A straight documentary might be the only thing that'll works.

Maybe we should wait on Michael Moore to do the documentary on Dubya?! I bet that would focus on the White House years, and not the party years.

Brian, I think Moore did make such a movie. It was called "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Yes he did. Another one of Moore's lying POS movies.

Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man by David T. Hardy and Jason Clarke.

A very good book.

If you're going spew Michael Moore as a POS then equal time is bestowed upon Rush Limbaugh.

They cancel each other out and you still have Obama as President.

What a country.

Well, I am not a Michael Moore fan and didn't care for "Fahrenheit 9/11" myself, but I don't think it's full of "lies." It is very subjective, clearly biased, and opinionated, not what one would normally expect from a "documentary," but that doesn't make it "full of lies" either.

And to be honest, while I think Michael Moore is in many ways a big self-promoting blowhard, I give him a lot of credit for his chutzpah. Remember, he had the guts as he was winning his freaking Oscar in 2003 to criticize Bush in his acceptance speech - at a time when that was an extremely unpopular thing to do. (He was booed by the left-wing Hollywood crowd in the audience - remember?) Even in 2004, making "Fahrenheit 9/11" was a very gutsy thing to do, given that the country largely hadn't turned on Bush yet.

I think Michael Moore rocks, too bad there are not more like him putting it out there. The people that have a problem with him are also the people that have a problem with reality. I especially liked "Bowling for Columbine" which the gun lobby to this day has been unable to counter.

As for the movie W, after the last 8 years, the last thing I'd want to spend my free time on is watching a movie about George W. Bush. Fuck that.

Well I like Oliver Stone quite a bit. I didn't feel like I was reliving anything so traumatic that I was unable to deal with today or something. I didn't watch it to get all enraged.

All Michale Moore films were better than this one. Just from a film fan view, to me.

I think Stone has lost his touch. His early films were not just passionate - they had quite a bit of artistry. "JFK" was a terrific movie, even if the conspiracy theories in it were bunk. But it was still an extremely well-made piece of propaganda.

I think Michael Moore is in many ways a big self-promoting blowhard,

Well, one pretty much has to be one to succeed in the movie business.

I get your point, Skep. But I really disagree with that. I understand that some have to be that way in order to get what they want ( Boondock Saints anyone? - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390336/ ) but I think that Andrew's point is what I was trying to say; It was lacking in artistry. And hey, I'm no snob. I'll watch anything once. It's just a movie. But I like Oliver Stone's sweeping shots and epic feelings he can offer. He decided to make a different kind of film with W. . I just didn't like really anything about it. Oh well.

And since this is my thread ( such as it is ) I feel just fine in hijacking it.

I watched a movie last night called Funny Games with Tim Roth ( one of my favorites ) and Naomi Watts. Has anyone seen that one? I never saw the original. But it caught me off guard. It wasn't perfect. But boy it had a little impact. Disturbing. It was part Kalifornia. Part Swimming With Sharks.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808279/

It was lacking in artistry. Bland? Yeah, I'll agree with that. For instance, JFK had a visual style that would have put it above other films even if the topic was a lessor known person. Maybe Stone didn't want to repeat himself.

There are some movies I just don't buy into in terms of the hype they recieve. Just won't see them. Passion of the Christ and now W.

As for Micheal Moore I love his docs but Roger & Me is by far the best.

Speaking of docs has anyone seen Alexandra Pelosi's docs playing on HBO right now?

One on the aftermath of the Ted Haggard scandal which is really good.
http://www.hbo.com/events/trialsoftedhaggard/index.html

And one on how Right wing America is waking up from a really bad hangover post election!
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/rightamerica/index.html

Boondock Saints is an awesome movie.

Never did see Fahrenheit 9/11 or the Passion of the Christ. Probably won't see W.

I have seen enough documentaries of fallen evangelists. And Right wing America...well they need to deal with the new reality. No need to view them eating crow.

Blatant hijack ( since this thread has probably run it's course and my next point didn't feel like I had to start a new thread );

Tonight's Presidential Address.

One of the unexpected consequences of having Obama in Office is the ability to watch, listen and learn from speeches given by our new President. That, by itself, isn't all THAT unique for me. I could do that when Bush spoke. It was harder, but I could do it.

But NOW, and FOR now, I can proudly sit and watch with my child. Being able to do that, with my son, for such good reasons, and to have Obama show that he is trying to lead and not to have to cover my child's ears or to have him ask what is meant by "Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?" - is going to be great. It may not last forever, but I'll take it while it's available.

As an adult, I'll be able to question and consider the content of the speech and take it from there. But for a kid, it's nice to have some programming available that doesn't have that little TV-FU in the upper left corner as the sketch begins.

Kids pick up on that stuff.

But NOW, and FOR now, I can proudly sit and watch with my child.

Yup. You're quite right.

I don't think the movie showed enough of his heavy drinking a coke snorting....