and I liked it.......

ok.

happened to catch part of the Grammys, (yes I am out of it. never heard the song before)

So some young male pop rocker does the "answer song" I kissed a boy.....

Possibility for the same success?

Does a similar themed male oriented song have the same chance of acceptance?

would Clay Aiken include it on his next album?

I watched it too and it was an embarrassment.

Ok, so U2 starts off the show with their Terrible new single called "get your boots on". Awful song, and Bono looks old and akward trying to dance. U2 used to be an awesome band, what the hell happend?? (I've heard that some radio stations have removed U2's new single from their playlist because they are getting so many complaints about it, and the song has only been out a couple of weeks.

Whitney Houston was a presenter, and yes she is back on Crack again. It couldn't have been more obvious that she was on something because she was squinting her eyes. She then does this weired thing where she lifts up the side of her dress and reveals her bony, skeleton looking leg! YUCK!

The Rock was the host, he was throwing out Jokes and NOBODY was laughing and Let me get into Katey Parey. She is a talentless hack who has an ego bigger than elton John. She is not a great singer, writes ridiculously stupid songs, she needs to go away. Katey Parey is on the same Level as Brittney Spears- throw-away disposable music that is highly forgettable!

Contrast her with PINK.

At least PINK has something to say, and does!! My wife and I enjoy PINK very much. Great music --intense often.

This stuff is just a cheap splash, IMHO. It will pass. The 14-21 crowd will be into it for a while though.

The response would be quite different. The "I Kissed a Girl" song titillates men and women alike because it evokes an image that is forbidden and sexy; the imagery is one that might be found in erotica or pornographic materials. To the men, it evokes the fantasy of having a simultaneous sexual encounter with two women. Women like the song, in my opinion, mostly because of how they perceive that men react to it, and possibly because of their own fantasies on how they can use their sexuality to control men, more so than out of any desire they may have to kiss another woman themselves.

A song about one man kissing another man would disgust most heterosexual men. I don't know whether this imagery would be exciting to women, but I can say that if it were, it would be socially taboo for women to openly express that they like watching boys kiss other boys.

By the way, many years ago, I heard a gay song, very similar in spirit, played late night on WEGL (the university station in the town where I attended high school). The lyric went something like, "I know it's funny...but if I held the hand of another man, I would feel like a natural man..."

Hey Missing, I actually have some respect for Pink and think she is NOT in the same category as brittney Spears and katey Parey. Pink actually has talent, SHE CAN SING and she is smart enough to get professional song writers to help her write catchy songs. While I would never buy any of Pinks cd's, I do respect her as an artist. Unlike that traylor trash "Brittney Spears."

I never watch the Grammy's.. thankfully. Got better things to do with my time. Thus you won't hear any Grammy follow up on our morning show. If people want to find out more they can go on line or listen to another station. I won't pollute our show with it.

There-I said it.

Absolutely she does Justin!

You are spot on too. Excellent vocalist! Good range, very good expression. She's got the mechanics down cold, leaving her free to explore the ideas and style. And the beauty is she does exactly that, with attitude!

-->The rest of them struggle with this, and that's why we have all the pitch correction going on! People listen for the expression. Can't get there unless the mechanics are SOLID.

Some people just have it. Others, with practice can get there with the best of them. The rest just look pretty, and production cleans it up before shoveling it outta the door, while holding their nose!

Oh, and PINK would kick Kateys ass in a fight too.

:P

Yeah, ok. I'll go back to my cave now.

I agree 100,000% with Chris. I've got lots of better things to do with my time.

Watching paint dry to me would be more enjoyable than watching the Grammy's.

Now, if there was some decent music and decent performers, then maybe.......probably not though.

Use to watch the Grammys every year but the artists and messages of lots of their songs each year degrade to a new low of morality..

>>I KISSED A GIRL........

I rest my case...

that's what I'm talkin 'bout!

So I ain't as out of it as I thought.

as for pink..... a bit young for me, but compared to her no talent contemporaries.....Well, they are just sawdust.......yep she can hold her own....

OOOH DARN I'missed the seachrist show... bet he gushed over the grummies! them's his peeps!

Whats wrong with Kissing Broadway?? Is it sinful for a woman to kiss another woman?

Hey Broaday, would you rather watch Buckcherry on the Grammys? Remember those two little dittys they have called "Too Drunk to fuck" and "crazy Bitch". Both radio singles!

>>Is it sinful for a woman to kiss another woman

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?...an event that really happened for a reason...read about it in Genesis 18 and 19.

Last year's Grammies were OK, but I don't feel as if I missed much this year.

What a train wreck segue. From the Grammy's to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Think I'll Kiss the Sky!!

>>Think I'll Kiss the Sky!!

I look up toward the hills.
From where does my help come?
My help comes from the Lord,
the Creator of heaven and earth!
Ps 121

>>the Grammy's to Sodom

to some not far reaching...

Not sure you got my facetious statement Dan.

LMAO @ Chris! Think Hendrix Dan...

"So some young male pop rocker does the "answer song" I kissed a boy.....

Possibility for the same success?

Does a similar themed male oriented song have the same chance of acceptance?"

Pop music has been there and done that already.

Don't like it?? TURN IT OFF!
Problem solved....
NEXT!!!!!

bRILLINAT TRIX! I WISH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT!

YOU SOUND BITTER TRIX! I didn't know you were such a huge fan of The Jonas Brothers, Pink, and Skanky Spears.

I did watch the Grammys, mostly because I wanted to see Radiohead. Which was great by the way.

The rest of it, not so much. Pretty bland. To give Coldplay the Best Rock Album is truly a travesty, as an example.

It's my understanding that the Bible says nothing whatsoever about lesbianism. Maybe I'm wrong, but the only scriptural admonitions about homosexuality I can recall are directed very explicitly at men. Apparently the double standard described by Alfredo near the top of this thread has a very long history.

I thought the best moment of the Grammys (which I sort of half-watched while doing other things) was the Robert Plant-Alison Krauss duet with T-Bone Burnett. It actually made me want to buy the album, not an easy feat these days (I bought maybe 3 CDs all last year).

Tonight, in a tongue-in-cheek conversation, I ran across a realitively old example of a boy-boy song that slipped under the radar for me (and apparently a lot of other people). Here are the lyrics:

Number forty-seven said to number three:
You're the cutest jailbird I ever did see.
I sure would be delighted with your company,
Come on and do the jailhouse rock with me.

Seriously, though, I think that there is a double-standard, and one man kissing another would be over-the-top for a lot of people.

Hey Littlesongs!

Pop may have gone there and done that but the Kinks already had a house there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASIhpk-Lc8Y

girls will be boys and boys will be girls, it's a mixed up jumbled up shook up world except for Lola...

I am pretty sure the bible mentions Leb-anon. Now was that like Al-anon for lebsians?

> I am pretty sure the bible mentions Leb-anon. Now was that like Al-anon for lebsians?

Ba-dum!

Moman and Alfredo -- good points! I guess I skipped "Lola" because it did not use homosexuality as a blatant marketing tool. If anything, the song was a stark warning to drunken fools out looking for a one-night stand. I agree that "Jailhouse Rock" was probably the first "gay hit" in pop music.

I would also assert that Bowie, Reed, Hunter and Jagger all knew gayness was becoming more widely accepted in the 1970s and cashed in on a pose. Along the same lines, Jill Sobule's "I Kissed A Girl" was first released in the mid-90s at the height of lipstick lesbianism among the fashionistas. The new version is even more blatantly designed to make money on a tawdry story, not to increase tolerance nor foster understanding.

At least members of the Village People and Queen were not just singing about it, but were actually gay. A fair amount of "homopropriation" in pop music seems about as sincere as Pat Boone or Michael Bolton covering "Say It Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud" by James Brown.

at least members of the Village People and Queen were not just singing about it.

For starters, Freddie Mercury was the only "Fudge Packer" in Queen.
And Correct me if I'm wrong but Queen's music didn't contain a lot of blatent homosexual themes.

Queen's music didn't contain a lot of blatent homosexual themes, but their stage performance, Freddie anyways, sure had some innuendos in there.

Freddie actually came up with the name Queen. Band members were initially uncomfortable with the name.

A listen through "Bohemian Rhapsody" and you pretty much have the feelings of many gay men.

Now Judas Priest - that surprised me. Rob Halford.

Looking back, it makes sense. But it's still funny to watch Heavy Metal Parking Lot before anyone knew for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhRCVm-1r2k

I have to agree with Brian about the gyrations, the unitard and the microphone waggling.

Chris, you made a really good point. I never thought of listening to "Bohemian Rhapsody" with that narrative in mind. It makes perfect sense.

CJ, thanks for that link. That is a "rockumentary" to seek out. Rob Halford surprised me at the time too. Looking back at the leather clad image of the band, it is funny that it didn't dawn on people any earlier.

If this schmuck weren't such a homophobic dominionist nutbag, I would not be mentioning this lurid factoid, but what the hell, why not? Be forewarned, I am not advocating anyone do this who is unprepared for the results. This glimpse of pop music stardom is not for the faint of heart. However, if you want a good laugh at a shocking picture, simply Google "Pat Boone" and "box" sometime when you are not at work.

Hey Warner, if you love Radiohead, you will like J.K. & Co. They are a Vancouver B.C. outfit that put out a record on White Whale in 1968. It includes a tune called "Fly" that sounds eerily like our favorite Abingdon band.

"White Whale" records? You mean the label of another one of my favorites, The Turtles? Cool. I'll do a bit of searching.

"J.K." is still rockin':
http://jaykayeband.com/pages/biojay.html

The Turtles? I wore out my Battle of the Bands copy long time ago.

This thread reminds me of something I hadn't thought about in decades: Frank Sinatra types used to kiss each other on live television shows. It happened all the time. These were well respected legends and apparently, no one thought a thing of it.

On The LIPS, smoochie????

I don't remember but I can't be the only one who saw this.

On the cheek, unless they were doing some schtick.
The more macho the celeb, the bigger the laugh...

It's an EYE-TALIAN Thing turned farcical......

Always a cheap laugh when Sammy would plant one on Dino or vice versa. Kinda of a Friars Club, Rat Pack, Macho thing to do on stage or camera.... The equlivent to a locker room wedgie/wet towel snap! Rickles planting one on Frankie.... HA HA HA !!!!!!

I've noted it too.

Hugs are also a similar thing. Some of that has carried over. With current day people, I don't see the cheek kiss, but for women. Hugs though, I do see with men.

The difference between that and "I kissed a girl, and I liked it!", is an older world expression of friendship and love in that context, vs, a sexual connotation for context.

The latter is new and evolving to something that's out in the open and struggling for acceptance, while the former is really established and just a matter of cultural up-bringing.

In my personal experience, I've friends who are split on this. Some will embrace, as that's their culture, many will not, preferring a hand shake, or arm grab and grasp around the back or shoulders.

For an example of culture that might help to frame this, look at Asian people. Many asians will hold hands while walking. This is not sexual, but more of a bonding and signal to a crowd that there is a group present. It's also just a sharing of an activity, or a means for quick and silent communication, where it might be noisy, or bad form to actually vocalize something.

(yes, I'm a people watcher!! People are interesting in that most often we quite simply don't know what they will do next!)

It's the different ethnicities, and their traits, etc. Missing. You are right.

My girlfriend is Italian, her parents were immigrants who settled in Canada in their teens. VERY touchy-feeley. When she met my mother this last December, she did the cheek kiss on each cheek, and about squeezed my poor mother to death. That is definitely something nobody in our family had ever done or been subject to, at least here! It's interesting to see the different passion level, on all levels, with her compared to my family - we're much more reserved, keep to ourselves. It's not a BAD thing, just how we were raised.

Roger, this wasn't a schtick. It was a standard greeting amongst old friends.