Did KEX drop HD

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Author: Dan_packard
Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 5:43 pm
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I'm listening to the AM band to get info about the terrible traffic this afternoon and notice KEX isn't coming thru in crystal clear HD (HD radio needed). Does anybody know if and when they dropped HD? Or, maybe i'm enveloped in a weird magnetic field.

Author: Jr_tech
Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 5:54 pm
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Just locked in fine in Hillsboro!

Author: Dan_packard
Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 6:01 pm
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Just went back and checked and HD is locked in too now. Don't know what it was. Can't be the signal, as it's 11 on a scale of 10.

Author: 62kgw
Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 1:10 pm
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KEX 1190 really really needs to drop the1180/1200 HD for good!!! way too much noise on legacy radios!!!turn it off now, send the HD hardware to the scrap heap for recycling!!!!! stop trying to re-invent the wheel!!

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 2:34 pm
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Burn your copy of The Cluetrain Manifesto!! Or, better yet, shove the book in one of David Wineberger's bodily orifices. The idea put forth in that book that business would change radically because the Internet would allow company insiders to communicate directly with consumers was just a pipe-dream put forth by a bunch of naiive, idealistic guys who were all excited about their new computers. In other words, it doesn't matter how many times you come on this forum to tell Clear Channel to shut off the HD exciters. Your posts are not going to motivate them to do it.

Author: 62kgw
Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 4:59 pm
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Think Positive!!!!!we might be lucky someday, they might come to their senses ??or George Noory might arrange Alien Attack??

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 8:23 pm
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They'll file for Chapter 11 before they "come to their senses." The egos of the Clear Channel top brass are too big to allow for any other outcome!!

Author: Semoochie
Friday, April 24, 2009 - 1:03 am
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AM's biggest problem is no longer interference from HD Radio on standard receivers or any other kind of interference but rather the fact that the ability to receive it in any way that fits in with people's lifestyles is rapidly going away! They've managed to incorporate FM on I-Phones and other new media but not AM! Wait ten years and see what happens. They might just stop making AM radios altogether!

Author: 62kgw
Friday, April 24, 2009 - 8:24 am
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IF ONE OF THE EXECS DOES NOT GET BIG QUARTerLY BONUS,HE/SHE MIGHT BLAME IT ON THE hd not providing quintupling of audience,ratings and revenue,as promised?!!

Author: Jr_tech
Friday, April 24, 2009 - 10:01 am
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"hd not providing quintupling of audience,ratings and revenue,as promised?!!"

I don't think that such a promise can be found in any literature from Ibiquity... could you post a link to back up your claim?

Author: Alfredo_t
Friday, April 24, 2009 - 11:18 am
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> ...the ability to receive it [AM radio] in any way that fits in with people's lifestyles is
> rapidly going away!

I think that there is a lot of truth in this statement. The one last major holdout for AM listening is in cars. Very few people, other than some of us radio fans, carry devices whose only function is to receive radio broadcasts. Unless you have been living under a rock for the last ten years, you would have noticed that there has been fierce competition by the manufacturers of portable electronic devices to mash up whatever features they can into a package that fits in a shirt pocket or purse. With that form factor criterion in mind, the outcomes have been as follows:

* Cassette player? No; the media is too big.
* CD player? No; the media is too big.
* Mobile phone? Yes--this was the component pushed hardest by the industry.
* GPS Receiver? Yes.
* Web surfing "appliance". Yes.
* Personal digital assistant (i.e. fancy electronic notebook & day planner)? Yes.
* Camera? Yes.
* Compressed audio (MP3 and other formats) player? Yes.
* (Pay) Television? Yes.
* FM broadcast radio? Yes.
* Shortwave radio? No--I think that it is safe to assume that the areas with enough infrastructure to make mobile phones and wireless Internet browsing possible have developed enough to make shortwave economically and sociologically obsolete (in other words, a plethora of programming choices are available on FM or AM).
* Mediumwave radio? No; at least not yet. In order to fit into such tiny form factors, radios in these applications must be entirely contained in a single IC, without large support components, such as IF transformers or ceramic filters. Very few IC "solutions" are available for AM reception in these types of applications. Manufacturers may still be somewhat gun-shy about putting in AM because: (1) a ferrite rod antenna is still needed; (2) AM reception is problematic in some environments, such as buses, cars, trains, and steel-reinforced buildings, where wireless functions using VHF or UHF are not impaired as much; (3) in some markets, such as Western Europe and even in some developing countries in South America and Asia, there is little demand for AM reception. FM translator networks have become the norm over there.
* Longwave radio? No--the reception issues are very similar to mediumwave. On top of that, the market for such a feature would be limited to parts of Eastern Europe.

Author: 62kgw
Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 12:32 pm
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just speculation on my part Alfredot.them sales/marketing types love to make overthetop promises without first checking with engineering!! !perhaps same thing: (vast promises for much bigger audiencewith ipodrecieversand/or Cellphone HD radio recievers for listening toHD radio??

Author: Trixter
Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 12:36 pm
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62!!!!

You FINALLY stopped smoking crack I see.....

Author: Alfredo_t
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 2:30 am
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With improved proofreading, I think that '62's last post could actually make sense. One of the main concepts that he's touching on is something called "vaporware." That term means that the marketing guys go around making really nice sounding promises to deliver stuff that hasn't been developed yet. Then, the engineers are told, "go build this stuff that we've already sold." Practices like this were what motivated me to quit my last job. Similar things are going on with the Chevy Volt car, where the company is promising certain levels of battery performance when they release the car in 2011, but those batteries don't yet exist.

The second part of his post is a bit more cryptic to me: I know that the large broadcast chains are hoping that HD radio helps to discourage listeners from migrating to satellite radio, Internet streaming, and MP3 players. However, what is the connection to iPODs and cell phones that you're trying to express--are you talking about the iTunes song tagging feature that allows listeners to buy the songs that they hear on the radio?

Author: Jimbo
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 3:36 am
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"That term means that the marketing guys go around making really nice sounding promises to deliver stuff that hasn't been developed yet. Then, the engineers are told, "go build this stuff that we've already sold.""

That describes what Congress and Kulongoski are doing relative to energy and setting standards and requirements which haven't been thought through or make physical sense.

Other than that, I gave up trying to figure out what 62 has been saying a long time ago. Not worth the effort.

Author: 62kgw
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 8:56 am
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then sometimes an executive spends his/her big fat bonus before he/she actually gets it!!on a new car, boat, overseas vacation new condo,R.V. furniture or something!then watch out if you or your project (HD?)might be on the blame list!!

Author: Jr_tech
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:21 am
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"Then, the engineers are told, "go build this stuff that we've already sold." "

And, apparently the product development does not end when the item is shipped, I recently bought a new DVD player, and the first step after unpacking the box and hooking up to the TV was to connect to a computer to get the latest upgrades online. Geeeze :-(

Whats next... a toaster with built in 3G connectivity for upgrades?

Author: Jimbo
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 5:43 pm
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When I worked for one high tech company locally, we constantly had sales people selling "blue sky" and then telling Engineering to design it and build it for what it was sold for. Happened quite frequently when I was in engineering support and then in marketing/sales. The difference was that I went into marketing after I had been in Engineering and when I sold something "blue sky", I already had in my mind what it was and how to do it and had an idea of what it would cost and what we would sell it for. I then told engineering what to do. Worked better that way. We had sales people that were "salesmen" not engineers. They could sell anything to anybody and not know anything technically. That was a problem. Take an experienced engineer and turn them into sales people and it was much smoother.
The problem 62 has in selling his idea is that he is stuck on an old outdated idea/product that has no chance for happening and he was late to the train station when the new ideas were on board. The train left the station after waiting too long for him to show up.

Probably, he wouldn't have gotten on it anyway. The waiting times for the progress train are getting shorter and shorter every year. You are either on the train or you are not. You may not like where the train is going but that is the only destination. It is your choice whether to get on or stay off. If you don't ever get on the train, you are probably done with your career.

Author: Don_from_salem
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 5:50 pm
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It's not just broadcasting. While working as a computer programmer for a couple of different health insurance companies, I was often caught between a rock and hard place by sales people claiming that our company was doing/could do various ridiculous things.

Author: Trixter
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 6:24 pm
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With improved proofreading, I think that '62's last post could actually make sense.


WTF? Make sense....

Author: Alfredo_t
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 7:23 pm
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OK, perhaps maybe I am expecting miracles in terms of improving one's use of the English language. Nonetheless, for now, I intend to hold out my hand and say, "hey, you CAN do it!"

I am curious to know where--at least what industry--"62" works in, if he is employed at all. I mean no disrespect, but sometimes he puts forth expectations that do not mesh at all with my experience of how the corporate world works.

I have only been in industry for about 13 years, so I will defer to those with 20, 30, or more years of experience. What I will say is this: corporate America is not like a "mom & pop" concern; it is not artisanship; it is not operated or populated by Renaissance men; it is not Atlas Shrugged. In other words, companies operate under specific gameplans; they get behind certain technologies; they hire people with specific skills. I think of that mode of operation as betting on what will be successful today and in the very near future. When technologies become "mature," and their level of profitability drops, they are abandoned. When employees have skills that are no longer in demand, and they don't have the skills needed for the technologies currently being pursued, they get laid off.

By the way, companies today--especially the larger ones--in my opinion, would much rather hire somebody whose skills are highly focused in the narrow range of duties that the position that they are hiring for requires, rather than a "big picture" person with a broad set of skills and knowledge in a lot of areas; hence my comment about Renaissance thinkers not being welcome. Just look at some of the ideal candidate descriptions to become a process engineer at Intel: they would really like somebody with a PhD, earned within the last three years (approx.) with the graduate research directly related to the type of position that they are hiring for.

Author: Kent_randles
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 10:33 pm
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640 KFI has turned on HD.

See http://www.bext.com/_CGC/2009/cgc900.htm

Author: 62kgw
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 10:45 am
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did 620 totally give up on it,(THE HD)??I heard someone say THHEE OTHER DAY that KGW IS NOW DIGITAL!!??

Author: Semoochie
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 11:09 am
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Maybe they meant the TV station, which sometime back, announced being the first one locally to be fully digital(or however they worded it).

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 11:39 am
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> KGW IS NOW DIGITAL

KGW can only refer to channel 8 today. They boast that they produce the only HD newscast. Of course, I think that the implication that their newscast is better because they have fancier equipment is a bunch of poppycock. If Edward R. Murrow's corpse had been buried, he would be spinning in his grave (Murrow was cremated).

Perhaps, a better thought-out question might be: why is it that KFI, which is fairly close in frequency to KPOJ, was able to broadcast HD successfully, but KPOJ had problems that couldn't be resolved (within their budgetary constraints)?

Author: Semoochie
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 11:43 am
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Among other things, KFI only uses one tower and doesn't have to diplex with another station.

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 12:46 pm
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I figured that KFI being a single tower system might be the most important factor.

Author: Jimbo
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 2:27 pm
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"KGW IS NOW DIGITAL"

Define Digital!!!!

Author: Motozak2
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 2:49 pm
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KGW-TV, as far as I am aware, has always been digital, particularly if you have enough fingers to count up to 8.

By The Way, did you know that all the TV channels up to 20, at least for most people, have always been digital right from the start? ;o)

Author: Kent_randles
Friday, May 08, 2009 - 5:01 pm
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Digital video AND 16:9?

Author: 62kgw
Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:24 pm
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I have worked inElectronics,hi-teck,but not in management, sales or marketing, nor customer service.currently semi-retiredI have worked under various sorts ofthose typesjust mentioned,so I know somewhat what they do and why and what their expectations are,and usually what their technical understandings are, if any!!??

Author: Jimbo
Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:49 pm
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"Digital video AND 16:9?"
Most of the local stations meet that definition. KOIN, KATU, and KPTV do their local origination stuff in 16:9 and it is digital on their digital channels. Not everything on KGW is 16:9 and some is not digital. Many syndicateds on KATU are all digital.... arrives digitally into the computer, is assembled in the computer and is played out of the computer/server. OPB has had HD cameras for years and has had digital transmissions in 16:9.

Just like sayings, slogans, and branding in radio, the same happens in tv.

Author: 62kgw
Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 8:47 am
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first full-time employment was at a Sil.Vallly company that manufactured spectrum analyzers.I was in production test/repair.most recentjob, i was a "sustaining Engineer for telecom equipment company!!!

Author: 62kgw
Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 9:55 am
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i as speculating that a CC person may have made up that prediction in order to "justify" something.in the business world, things like that happenif some manager wahts to purchase something of if they are trying to impress a customer,they might make all kinds of promises(realistic or not!!!)))


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