Looks Like 39th Ave Will Become Chave...

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Author: Newflyer
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 9:06 pm
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More proof that a vast majority of people can be vehemently opposed to something, but the government will go through with it anyway:
http://portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=124216545925868500

This whole process of Interstate Ave., SW 4th Ave., then maybe Grand Ave. or Broadway, and now SE 39th Ave., with large far-flung groups uniting together to try to fight street renamings... why were the city and the name petitioners not required to find a street that people affected would want to be renamed?

I went to a public hearing a few weeks ago, spoke in opposition because even if a street is a number, it is someone's identity, and this is at the time when many local names of other places are going away for good, and most people can no longer build an identity for themselves through profession.

At the end of the public hearing, one of the name change supporters stood up and practically declared everyone who had anything against the name change to be "racists."

IMO, this whole thing is a waste of time. People are starving to death due to unemployment, and the city is instead using their time talking about renaming streets every year and outrageous subsidies and concessions to professional sports teams.

Author: Missing_kskd
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 9:10 pm
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I don't like this trend. Hey, let's name a street, so that who ever that did whatever gets a little mind share every day.

Yeah, I would flip it around for sure. Get 70 percent of the occupants of a street to vote in, then pull the trigger on the rename.

Author: Skeptical
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 9:47 pm
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"At the end of the public hearing, one of the name change supporters stood up and practically declared everyone who had anything against the name change to be "racists."

People who do that likely do more damage to their cause than good.

I'd say Portland has a long history of renaming streets -- remember the East Portland street renaming fiasco anyone? (Of course not!)

Author: 62kgw
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 10:09 am
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rename SE Clinton instead of 39th!!

Author: Andrew2
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 10:50 am
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Take a close look at some of the old Portland sidewalks and you'll see traces of the old street names and address scheme. Some of the now-numbered streets originally had names, and of course the addressing scheme for N/S/E/W is now different - but you can see the old name in the old sidewalk that may be 100+ years old.

Author: Stevethedj
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 11:11 am
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When the wolrd is is such a trumoil. A lot of people out of work. And what does our goverment do. Rename streets that will cost money, to who? You taxpayers. And to you who feel it's "Racist" to oppose a worthless street rename. GO TO HELL.

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:28 pm
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Some of the sidewalks in the old parts of Hillsboro have labels referring to now-defunct street names, too! There is one corner, I think on Walnut Street, where there are brass letters embedded in the sidewalk identifying it as "FIR ST"

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:31 pm
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Sorry, Chavez is not worthy of a street name.

Author: Warner
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 2:01 pm
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If only Stevethedj was in government, everything would be great. He could just tell everyone to "GO TO HELL".

Author: 62kgw
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 2:40 pm
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ch 10 PBS showed a program last nite about some Indian issues (native americans)- many racist statements were made( to get Natives to hate America,hate UsAi.e. hate white people!!???Can't we just all get along??also had some bad language that should have been deleted!!

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 3:00 pm
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Just curious, do you wear a helmet 62?

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 3:22 pm
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Was Ward Churchill on that PBS documentary?

Author: Hottalk1080
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 8:15 pm
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So just because almost everyone doesn't like a street to be renamed , they are all racists?? Wow. What this world is coming to. Why does any street have to be renamed? Is this a wise use of OUR money during these hard times? For some reason I thought that the city and state were hurting for money? Guess not. And by the way, if I was renaming a street, chaveeez, or whoever, is the last person I would name it after. The only reason they want to force it on Portland is because it makes Mexican's like Portland better. What a joke. Now I know why they call the " good ol' days" , The Good Ol' Days!. Not so much of this nonsense. Hope I die before this Nation goes "stupid, crazy, dumb" as the kids say these days!

Author: Hottalk1080
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 8:17 pm
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Uh oh, I think it already has . Crap. Stand up for yourselves everyone! Don't go along with the crowd.! you will SINK!

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 11:07 pm
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hottalk said: Hope I die before this Nation goes "stupid, crazy, dumb"

Too late. You should have died before election day 2000.

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:49 am
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Just try to think of our government as one big collective and remember:

"You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

Author: 62kgw
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 8:48 am
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the Oborgma??

Author: Roger
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 10:46 am
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Why on earth would they name a street after Hugo Chavez? Then again, I thought all the MLK street name changes were kind of silly as well.

Simple solution.... Wait until you put in a new street THEN choose from a list of available names.

How long after he passes, before we see a plethora of AL SHARPTON BLVDs?

Government problem solving... I mentioned the big push on dogs in the park here... Unfortunately it didn't create a single job, but it did provide some income for the makers of a dozen new signs stating the new ordinance.

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 10:52 am
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Hey, maybe they could name a "Dead End" street after Sam Adams!

Author: 62kgw
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 10:54 am
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or a one-way!!??

Author: Magic_eye
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 11:56 am
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"Why on earth would they name a street after Hugo Chavez?"

Huh? I thought it was Cesar Chavez.

Author: Roger
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 2:19 pm
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no, you're thinking Ceasar Romero.

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 2:48 pm
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Cesar Chavez was a Mexican American labor activist and leader of the United Farm Workers. During the 20th century he was a leading voice for migrant farm workers (people who move from place to place in order to find work). His tireless leadership focused national attention on these laborers' terrible working conditions, which eventually led to improvements.

Hugo Chávez, elected President of Venezuela, in 1998 and re-elected in 2000 and 2006, is the subject of passionate dispute. Supporters view him as a socialist liberator, hailing him for promoting Latin American integration, an enemy of imperialism and neoliberalism, empowering Venezuela's poor and indigenous communities, and reducing poverty and unemployment. Critics of Chávez in Venezuela and the United States claim that the Chávez government is leading Venezuela in an authoritarian direction, with Chavez himself becoming a dictator, abandoning democratic tradition, extending state control over the economy, eliminating dissent, and carrying out "social programs that will set Venezuela back".

Author: Magic_eye
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 3:11 pm
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Ay chihuahua!

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 3:30 pm
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"Yo quiero Taco Bell!".

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 5:43 pm
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Interestingly, Chavez's United Farm Workers organization was known to take action against illegal immigrants who worked to undermine UFW strikes (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez#Immigration ).

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:07 pm
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Just curious, do you wear a helmet 62?

And he smokes meth on a regular basis....

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:10 pm
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We should rename the Portland and Hillsboro sewer treatment plants after DUHbya and the DICKster!!!!! That wouldn't cost a dime and would probably work even without voting on it!!!

Author: Mc74
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:11 pm
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Wow, how long you going to live in the past?

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:13 pm
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Same amout of time the EXTREME RIGHT has! 8 years!

Author: Mc74
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:13 pm
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lol. Well atleast you have a plan and are sticking to it.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:15 pm
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The neo-CONers did!

Author: Skeptical
Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 8:47 pm
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Me thinks trix won that round. As for renaming 39th, I vote no.

Author: Newflyer
Friday, May 15, 2009 - 1:56 am
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As for renaming 39th, I vote no.
Obviously, same here. Oh, wait, duh, I started the thread! :-)
As for other ideas... yes there's a Clinton St. in Portland. There's also a Bush St.

Oh, another good point is that most people have no clue that there's a difference between Caesar Chavez and Hugo Chavez.

BTW, one of the things I said at the renaming public hearing was eluding to needing better intergovernmental policies that would require street name change petitioners to show that other jurisdictions such as school districts, community colleges, bridge owners, etc., must show that it would be inappropriate to rename something such as a building they're responsible for before asking for the street to be renamed. I ended by saying that it's needed so that 20, 30, even 50 years from now, future citizens aren't having to put up with deliberations to rename a street after Dick Cheney, George Bush, or Beau Breedlove!

BTW, instead of the sewage treatment plant, how about the "George W. Bush Presidential Environmental Legacy Memorial Big Pipe?!" It's a huge tube of concrete that will carry excrement! And, it's new construction, instead of renaming something! I can't think of any better name. :-)

Author: 62kgw
Friday, May 15, 2009 - 9:13 am
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Also need a Bagwan Rajneesh Ave. in SW downtown,where it crosses Shiela Blvd.!!and a save-the-whales rd. in NW!!???

Author: Aok
Friday, May 15, 2009 - 10:24 am
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At the risk of sounding totally conservative, I think the law needs to be changed so just any group on a self-serving mission just can't go to the city council and shut down city business just because they want to rename a city street. I'd like to say it will end with this, but that's a little naive. I say start running it by the voters.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, May 15, 2009 - 10:31 am
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To be honest, I had never heard of Chavez until the street debates got heated last year. Therefore, because I've never heard of him, he's not famous enough to deserve a street named after him. If we do it for him, where do we draw the line?

Author: Newflyer
Friday, May 15, 2009 - 6:02 pm
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I say start running it by the voters.
Unfortunately, they don't have to. It's also been pointed out that voters can't get this referred to the ballot because a street name is an "administrative" issue.

Well, according to this morning's Oregonian (The Zero) Editorial, if you're against renaming 39th Ave., you're a racist:
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/05/cesar_chavez_a_divide_or_a_b ri.html
IMO, time to boycott the Oregonian. They're so near death they seem to be grasping for any straws they can get. Or, perhaps they should rename it the "Caesar E. Chavez Daily News?" Now there's an idea that I doubt has been suggested yet!

Author: Roger
Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 5:17 am
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So this Chavez fella was one of the greatest Oregonians?

From Wackypedia:

Grew up poor in Mill City, went on to: Develop, invent, create, found.....

Used the profits to build: schools, libraries, highway rest areas.

Fed the poor, healed the sick, raised the dead, made little girls go out of their head.

Finished his career ranked # 9 in the Greatest people of the Pacific Northwest.

Voted into the Northwest Hall of Fame 1996

Author: Vitalogy
Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 11:54 am
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Lived here since 1978 and I never heard of him until recently. And I'm pretty up on my NW news and history.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 4:55 pm
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Maybe not as "up" as the average Oregonian. But then, anti-union folks are likely to have a blind eye towards all things progressive news on pro-labor topics, especially those near the bottom of the wage scale. Does this apply to you?

Author: Vitalogy
Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 5:35 pm
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I'm not anti or pro union. Regardless, Chavez doesn't deserve a street named after him. If him, then why not 50 other prominent Portlanders?? If they want to honor him, build a park or something else he would stand for.

As for the wage scale, in a few months I won't be paying FICA. And no union needed.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 6:43 pm
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I don't know where Chavez stands in the top 50, but street renaming isn't my bag. Unless its a new street.

Author: 62kgw
Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 9:23 am
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People wanting to rename 39th must be numberists, or hate driven numeralophobes!!!!????using Oragonian logic???

Author: Hottalk1080
Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 7:54 pm
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62kgw- Bagwan Rajneesh Blvd. Hmmm, now that is someone that is very famous to any Portlander. I would be in favor of naming a NEW street in his name.

If the City has so much money to waste, maby they could give that one a spin around the merry-go-round they use. There'
s nothing that says Welcome to America more than wanting to rename streets, OUT OF NUMERICAL ORDER I MIGHT AD, when gazillions and gazillions of people are out of work and everyone is strapped for cash. If they feel the need to spend money, then give it to the schools or give it back to **********US********** , the general public who are trying to make it through the day just to pay bills.


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