The nonsense is just never going to end.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_oppos ed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment

If we owe these people anything, it's certainly all the health care they need. Imagine being wounded in battle and having Obama hand you a bill for your care.

You're going to find out this guy isn't what you thought he was.

From CNN.com:

Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it's sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget.

but don't illegal immigrants and gitmo prisoners get free health care??

More BS from Deane:

"If we owe these people anything, it's certainly all the health care they need. Imagine being wounded in battle and having Obama hand you a bill for your care.

You're going to find out this guy isn't what you thought he was."

One of these Days, Deane, you'll learn you are barking up the wrong tree.

BTW, it's spelled: M-e-s-s-i-a-h


Obama pledges more help for veterans
Story Highlights
Obama says budget calls for $25 billion increase in VA funding over next five years

Homeless veterans will be targeted for support, Obama says

Dramatically improved services planned for mental health, PTSD, brain injury

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama pledged Monday to make good on his promise to transform the Department of Veterans Affairs and said he would "dramatically improve" mental health aid.

Flanked by Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki, the president said his budget calls for a $25 billion increase in funding for the VA over the next five years -- a commitment that will be tested by the needs of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

"With this budget, we don't just fully fund our Veterans Affairs health care program, we expand it to serve an additional 500,000 veterans by 2013," he said.

He promised that the VA would "dramatically improve services" related to mental health, post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury, and he said homeless veterans would be targeted for support.

"Those heroes have a home," Obama said. "It's the country they served, the United States of America, and until we reach a day when not a single veteran sleeps on our nation's streets, our work remains unfinished."

This would no doubtly include veterns from Afganistan. The quote "right war" from the left. Save 540 Million just to feed into some other big government program? The dem's keep this crap up it is going to back fire on them.

Those Vets deserve every last dime.

We are here bitching about this stuff, because they were there trying to get it done.

We are here because they have gotten it done for us, over and over.

We are here because others know they are there, ready, waiting, in case they have to go get it done.

We are here because they inspire others to look at what we stand for. When we treat them like shit, we devalue ourselves, our nation, our world and our cause.

Deane_johnson:
The nonsense is just never going to end.

YEAH! You keep posting.

The dem's keep this crap up it is going to back fire on them.

Sort of like how conservative crap backfired on the GOP, eh?

but don't illegal immigrants and gitmo prisoners get free health care??

Thanks to Reagan and DUHbya!!!!

"One of these Days, Deane, you'll learn you are barking up the wrong tree."

One of these days Listnerpete, you're going to learn that Obama says one thing and does another.

Well folks, it looks like Rush Limbaugh has started posting in here.

"Well folks, it looks like Rush Limbaugh has started posting in here."

Compliments will get you nowhere.

Deane, your sudden concern for how the White House treats America's veterans that began on January 20, 2009 is touching, even if not entirely believable.

Andrew, you're sinking to Trixter's level. Every post I have ever made on this forum regarding veterans has been in regard of concern for how they are treated. I have always been critical that we don't treat them well enough.

I realize that personal insults are the way of the liberals on this forum, but you've only recently sunk to that level.

"One of these days Listnerpete, you're going to learn that Obama says one thing and does another."

Every candidate must make some changes when they get into office. But this thread you've started is NOT an example of that. It was only in the discussion phase is not without precedent; the practice has already been done to some degree.

You know it funny to see right wingers spin this, the Department of Veterans Affairs is actually socialized medicine and you guys are against it. LOL

I don't see it as socialized medicine. We're simply taking care of them when they suffered on the job injuries.

Medicare would come closer to being socialized medicine.

"I don't see it as socialized medicine. We're simply taking care of them when they suffered on the job injuries."

Yes, care provided by the Government. According to you guys, private care is the best. Better go back to Right-Winger School Deane.

I don't understand this circle we're in, unless it's to divert attention from the original subject.

Isn't Medicare more like socialized insurance, the insurance arm of it, and the VA the socialized medicine part? I think we ALL agree that we need to take care of our vets, no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

Remember though, that the Bush administration really dropped the ball as far as caring for our vets in Iraq and Afghanistan, cutting funds for their care, with many suffering from PTSD and other issues.

I sincerely hope Obama does the right thing for the vets, but Deane, don't forget how Bush forgot about so many he thrust into combat.

Medicare is health insurance for those 65 and older. It is not socialized medicine.

As for the VA and Bush; because the Bush Administration so royally screwed up on how long the war would last and cost and how many soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines would be injured as a result, they were caught with their pants down. Even after the fact they tried to operate the VA on the cheap. Another example of how badly Bush and his team screwed up on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

hw much more would the vets health care have cost it weU.S. waited longer and Iraq then used chem,bio,or nuke wepons for "defense"??

***"I sincerely hope Obama does the right thing for the vets, but Deane, don't forget how Bush forgot about so many he thrust into combat."

More liberal nonsense. We have a military to fight wars. If we are never going to fight a war, then we don't need a military. Which is it liberals.

Actually, what we need on this forum is a separate section for the Bush bashers who just can't give up.

"we need on this forum is"

a lot less of your distortion, spin and lies.

Andrew, you're sinking to Trixter's level.

SO who's level are YOU sinking to? The PLUSH one? Insannity? O'LIEly? Who?

It's funny how your ass finally cares about the troops when YOUR GOD almighty DUHbya isn't in office. You didn't give two shits about the troops and how they were taken care of until Obama took over.


More liberal nonsense.

More neo-CON bullcrap! Spin it anyway you want! FAUX it up and put it in a nice little shit sandwich all you want. The American people WON'T take it anymore DA! They elected a new way because YOUR WAY is F'd up! The American public noticed YOUR bullcrap. Don't like what's going on? Your blinds business is an internet business right????? MOVE! If Obama screws it up in 4 years you can come back and help vote him out....

"We have a military to fight wars."

Deane isn't our military for defensive purposes too? Not just a war machine?

The old sports analogy that a good defense is the best offense, do you think applies to our military?

"Deane isn't our military for defensive purposes too? Not just a war machine?"


This is playing with words Chris. If someone attacks us, we defend ourselves. That's fighting a war.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the fact that Obama wants to have our military heros pay for their own health care after they get wounded. Fortunately, more sensible heads prevail, even among the Democrats in Congress and this will never happen. Yet another defeat for Obama.

it isnt about the soldiers paying for there own healthcare.... its about veterans who are paying for other health care through a spouse or job using that insurance plan as well as veterans to co-cover costs. does your employer ask if anyone in your family is covered by veterans health before charging you for their coverage? no. if you got lower cost insurance covrage at work because youre a vet, have just the vet cover costs makes sense. If youre covered by two plans, having some sort of split makes sense.

Deane-I don't see it as another defeat but very much apart of the process. You seem to want to keep score in order to somehow prove that Obama is not up for the job.

Change is very hard for many in the GOP so all you're left with is finding ways to make sure Obama fails. Yeah, sure you said you want him to be successfull but that was pure BS and you know it.

"pure BS"

Got that right.

"You seem to want to keep score in order to somehow prove that Obama is not up for the job."

He isn't and I'm not going to have to prove anything. Obama is going to do that all by himself.

I assume no one has any actual position on what Obama is doing since all the usual suspects (not you Chris) are coming out of the woodwork with the personal attacks.

"Yet another defeat for Obama."

Obama's been in office for two months and he's faced how many legislative defeats? Zero.

And how many legislative defeats have the American people suffered at the same time?

Deane, when you get on one of your usual little political bashes do you know what the only thing that shows on my CRT is?

It's this:

And the personal attacks just keep on c'mon. That's how I know I'm right.

Okay, now I'm calling your bluff. That remark you just made is a dead giveaway that proves my theory: that you're really Jennifer_marlow posting under (yet another) alias.

And it's "And the personal attacks just keep on comin'." "C'mon" is a contraction of the command "come on" as in, "C'mon guys, let's go get wasted."

And YOUR personal attacks show your BLIND hatred for Obama.
Stick that in your juicebox and suck it!

Me or Deane_marlow?

This is playing with words Chris. If someone attacks us, we defend ourselves. That's fighting a war.

Then why did we INVADE Iraq? What you just said makes NO sense. Your God Almighty DUHbya attacked a country that didn't attack us. WOW!
Dense you are...

Of course DA is whom I'm talking to Motozak...

Yeah, I see that now looking at the time stamps. Guess our posts must have crossed somewhere in this mess of inter-connected routers and servers.

(Sorry, my bad.........)

It's cool. S happens!

"And YOUR personal attacks show your BLIND hatred for Obama."

I have no use for Obama's socialist agenda, his rampant spending that make Bush look like a tight wad, and his insatiable appetite for taxes. Now how does not liking his political agenda translate to hatred? Or is that too sophisticated for you to separate?

It's ok for me to wait until this policy is actually enacted before I get too upset, right? I mean, that seems fair; If it does, I'll be greatly disappointed. If it doesn't, then I'll continue to move on.

This is a great example of why I never wanted one person or one party to have all the say. Checks and balances are important, to me. Like this.

Like I said, the people who bitch most about paying taxes are the ones barely paying anything becauase THEY DON'T MAKE ANYTHING! Like Joe the Plumber, they worry about being taxed on income they don't have, and generally don't understand how the tax system works.

Don't worry Deane, I'm sure you won't have your taxes raised unless they add some sort of tariff to prune juice.

The only thing you've proven is that your way is not the way the majority of our country want to go.

Deane is deaf to logic. He only wants to troll and he keeps hooking someone which allows him to flame.

The best solution is to ignore him, totally.

"I have no use for Obama's socialist agenda...

Did President Eisenhower have a socialist agenda?

He only wants to troll

Okay, that's 2 votes for troll. Do I see any more hands?

Seeing as what he's posted this morning, Skep, make that three votes.

Deane IS capable of posting something with merit, and making points. This last round is almost exclusively him taking what someone says in one article, and "reading between the lines" to twist it to say what HE wants.

Four votes...

Adding only that I don't think he's even taking the time to twist it himself.
He's mearly posting talking points without even reading or verifying.

"to fight wars"

The art of security is not an absolute one. There is NO absolute security, but for death where it's no longer a worry.

Now then, being secure is about risk / reward. The defensive nature of the military is clear in this regard, in that if it is strong, potent and available, the risk reward equation leans in favor of us being MORE secure, even if not a shot is fired.

Hey folks, the criminally stupid idea of charging our troops for care just died a quick and painless death. At the same time, the unbelievably horrible "stop loss" program also became a thing of the past. Veterans are very happy with President Obama today. This just came into my e-mail box:

Dear David,

I'm on the road in Washington, DC, but I wanted to send you a quick update on two big breaking news stories.

First, just a few minutes ago, the Pentagon officially announced they will be phasing out involuntary enlistment extensions, otherwise known as "stop-loss."

The Pentagon also agreed to pay $500 per month to servicemembers forced to stay beyond their original enlistment term, which is a policy that IAVA has been supporting for a long time.

Stop-loss has had an enormous impact on the lives of many of our nation's troops, veterans, and military families. As I mentioned last week, tonight's episode of MTV's The Real World, which features IAVA prominently, focuses on cast-member Ryan, an Iraq veteran who was stop-lossed. The information about that episode, which airs tonight at 10pm on MTV, is in the forwarded email below.

Second, on what has proven to be a huge day for veterans, there has been another major development in Washington, DC. President Obama listened to IAVA and the other major veterans organizations, and made a critical decision to not move forward with a proposal to bill a veteran's private insurance for the cost of caring for a service-connected injury.

Today, President Obama showed that he understands and respects our nation's veterans.

Later this week, I'll have much more to report about this whirlwind week in Washington, DC, which included meetings with the President, Speaker Pelosi and VA Secretary Shinseki.

In the meantime, be sure to tune in tonight at 10pm on MTV, and keep an eye on your inbox for more breaking news from the nation's capitol.

Thank you for standing with us.

Sincerely,

Paul

Paul Rieckhoff
Iraq Veteran
Executive Director & Founder
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA)

--sent from my mobile device

So Deane, our wonderful messy all-American system of democracy still works. Now, you can stop feigning outrage.

Your party forced these men and women to buy everything from uniforms to body armor to spare parts for their vehicles. Your party kept them on four and five tours of duty. Your party prevented them from leaving for civilian life when they had served their hitches with honor and valor. Your party welcomed our troops back to foreclosed homes. Your party made it illegal for almost two decades for the press to freely pay tribute to those who made the ultimate sacrifice. Your party sent callous form letters to the families of the fallen.

If your party had taken a less careless approach to our men and women in uniform, many of these Americans would not be coming home maimed, injured and dead. Your party let a spoiled brat play toy soldier for seven years with our neighbors' lives. If the troops feel betrayed by your party, they have every right. Your party wanted a tidy little war. Wars are neither tidy nor small.

Littlesongs, of course it was going to get stopped. Nobody with a brain would support such an idea. But, Obama did. It's his thinking process that's alarming.

including field hosspital care costs??

It's his thinking process that's alarming.


DUHbya had his head so far up the DICKsters ass how was his thought process not alarming. The fact that YOU think he did a good job is laughable.

His rampant spending that make Bush look like a tight wad.

At least he is spending it in America where DUHbya and Co. NEVER thought of spending a dime let alone BILLIONS!