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Author: Skybill
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:23 am
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I can just see cruising up and down the Columbia or Wilamette in this!!

I bet it would be a blast to water ski or tube behind it!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499089,00.html

Author: Andy_brown
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:43 am
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Thanks for pointing out another Reagan era blunder.

Author: Vitalogy
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:46 am
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LOL.

Author: Broadway
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 11:08 am
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Well a much bigger blunder is being created hourly before us...the road to socialism...not a pretty site.

Author: Amus
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 11:33 am
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This line caught my eye;

"The barge, by the way, is the only fully submersible dry dock ever built"

Oxymoron?

Also,

The Military is a socialized program isn't it?

Here's a question for you.
Was Jesus a Socialist?

Author: Andy_brown
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:30 pm
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"the road to socialism"

Considering Bush and the Republicans have steered this country to the precipice of economic destruction, turning in the other direction in an attempt to regain a steady course seems more than appropriate. After all, the U.S. is a democratic republic built on the fine balance between the two. "Republicans and other democracy detractors point to the U.S. Constitution and bits of history, and say, "See, the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution gave us a Republic. They believed democracies were dangerous and unworkable."

On that, they are partly right, but they fail to mention that democracies and republics overlap. They are not opposites. And they fail to account for the history of American government since 1788, much less the debates that took place in America prior to 1788, when the U.S. Constitution was substituted for the Articles of Confederation. ... What distinguishes a republic is that it has an elected government. Representative democracies are, therefor, a kind of republic. Self-appointed governments such as monarchies, dictatorships, oligarchies, theocracies and juntas are not republics."


http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html

Bush and the Republicans took us away from these principles, a hard right if you will. To get back in the center, a left turn is needed.

The ability to separate the desired end result from the course correction and avoiding misleading labels can be helpful. LIke tacking partially into the wind when sailing in order to make course.

Author: Skybill
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:51 pm
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This line caught my eye;

"The barge, by the way, is the only fully submersible dry dock ever built"

Oxymoron?


Yeah, that made me wonder too!

Author: Amus
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:53 pm
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Speaking of OxyMorons

sorry about the hijack..couldn't resist.

Author: Talpdx
Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 1:38 pm
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"the road to socialism"

When I think of this mess, I think no further than former US Senator Phil Gramm. For years, he preached the merits of “free and deregulated markets”. In fact, when he was in the US Senate and served as head of the Senate Banking Committee, he made it his mission to undo much of the Glass – Steagall Act of the 1933. And as we well know, he did it (sadly with the signature of Bill Clinton).

This undoing is one of the reasons why President Obama is being forced to take the actions he’s taking. Had Phil Gramm and his trusted buddies behaved themselves, then we wouldn’t find ourselves in this mess. Yet these greedy SOB’s made a mockery of “free and deregulated markets”. This leaves President Obama to revisit the work of the former conservative GOP US Senator Phil Gramm and his deregulatory demagogues. They did extraordinary damage. But to call what President Obama is doing “socialism” misses the reality of the situation. Calling it “socialism” in the context being claimed by some conservatives is nothing more than falsely screaming fire in a crowded theater. It's not only a meritless, it's dangerous.

If anyone is to blame for this mess, it's the largess of the free market crowd. Conservatives should be livid that their free market brethren couldn’t behave themselves in a highly deregulated market. But once again, like President Franklin D. Roosevelt, it’s a Democrat to come in and clean up the mess.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 4:47 am
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I got a lot of buggy virusy crap open up when I clicked that.

Author: Amus
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 8:54 am
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CJ,

Which link?
Mine?
It was just youtube.

Author: Andy_brown
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:47 pm
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The oxycontin dust comes right out of the LCD screen and probably got on CJ's mouse.

Isopropyl 70% or Grey Goose that mouse before touching it again!

Author: 62kgw
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 5:12 pm
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New Carissa?

Author: Roger
Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 5:41 am
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DEREGULATION only works when the companies involved are willing to regulate themselves... Most aren't....

Money blurs responsibility

Author: Skybill
Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 9:48 am
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^Huh?

Author: Talpdx
Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 10:46 am
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Major Wall Street investment banks (and some others) have proven themselves incapable of behaving themselves during this period of major deregulation. They used extremely poor judgment and invested in financial tools that have proven to be a bust. They bought a pig in a poke. They allowed greed, not sound financial management, to cloud their better judgment. If they had behaved themselves, perhaps some of their stock prices wouldn’t be hovering around $5 bucks a share and on the verge of going under.

What’s distressing is that our government of late chose to ignore the lessons of history. This did not need to happen. But with deregulation, it did.

Author: Skybill
Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 10:57 am
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When I said "Huh", I meant what did that post have to do with this thread!

However, thanks for the history lesson!


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