Fox News getting desperate

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Author: Captaindan
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 9:49 am
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Foxnews.com is leading with a story about Obama being late to meetings, praising Bush for always being on time or early.

That shows Obama is working hard, while Bush hardly worked.

Fox is getting desperate to find something for which it can criticize Obama.

Author: Trixter
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:53 am
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FAUXNews is the king of spin...

NO news is GOOD news...

We report you comply!

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:37 am
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Don't you mean "No news is Faux news"

Actually, Fox news is a prime example of the overall deterioration of television news. Back when the three major networks were the only ones that could afford satellite access and delivery, t.v. news was a lot more responsible. Not necessarily spinless, but more newsworthy. As tv news began to have to compete with cable news and the internet, it has gone down the toilet. It spends a quarter of every broadcast promoting its other programming, a quarter of its time on news stories with female legs, butts and cleavage, a quarter on useless entertainment news (I mean who cares about Amy Winehouse, really?) and the last quarter on headline news.

Author: Paulwalker
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:42 am
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O'Reilly seems to be getting even more angry these days. (Maybe trying to live up to that Inside Edition clip from years ago.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/12/bill-oreilly-on-inside-ed_n_101267.html

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:47 am
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The remix is better.

http://www.thedailytube.com/video/10066/bill-oreilly-freak-out-remix

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:51 am
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Bill O'Reilly and Fox News are rooting against America.

Author: Trixter
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 1:46 pm
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FAUXNews, O'LIEly, LimBLAH and Insannity are ALL UNAMerican and UNPatriotic!
I mean my God man they are rooting for Obama to fail! They're NOT behind the PRESIDENT!
To Gitmo for those NON-believers! This is a time of WAR! EVERYONE should be behind the President!

Author: Broadway
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 2:02 pm
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>>This is a time of WAR! EVERYONE should be behind the President!

first stated under George W...my goodness...

Author: Warner
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 2:05 pm
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Broadway, you kind of got us with that one. Touche!

Author: Trixter
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 2:17 pm
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I was being sarcastic....
I was being sarcastic because FAUXNews and all it's supposed reporters pissed and moaned for years that we are at war and EVERYONE should be behind DUHbya.
Got us? NOPE! It's hard to show sarcasm....

Author: Dodger
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 5:18 pm
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Yep that dang Fox news is really in trouble, trouncing all competitors in ratings and revenue. Better move over Fox, yer in big trouble!

Author: Chickenjuggler
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 5:27 pm
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I have to admit, I'm pretty stunned by their ratings.

Author: Littlesongs
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 5:29 pm
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"Better move over Fox, yer in big trouble!"

I assume that you saw this article yesterday in the Sydney Morning Herald:

Murdoch to cut jobs as News suffers $11.7b loss

"News's commercial TV stations turned in a meagre $US18 million, down $US227 million from a year earlier, as advertisers such as car makers and fast food companies cut their spending."

Author: Magic_eye
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:09 pm
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Nowhere in the Sydney Morning Herald article is "Fox News Channel" mentioned. FNC's ratings are stronger than ever and it appears to be one of the few bright spots for News Corp in the current global recession. And sorry to say it, Trixter, but your "FAUXNews" and "DUHbya," etc. schtick is getting mighty stale. How about some fresh material for a change? Change is good!

Author: Chickenjuggler
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:19 pm
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So Fox News Channel will not be effected, Magic Eye?

Author: Dodger
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:22 pm
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Thank you Magic Eye.
How the newspaper, dead medium, is run by Newscorp and how the Cable TV channel is run may be two completely different cats.
Amen to the trixter "smack". Jeez, stop already, we ALL know W led us to oblivion and was Hitler reincarnated, whatever, find new material bozo!

Author: Magic_eye
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:36 pm
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"So Fox News Channel will not be effected, Magic Eye?"

I don't know. They seem pretty self-sufficient for now. No lack of sponsorship. And, since Hannity lost Colmes, that probably helps their bottom line a bit!

Author: Magic_eye
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:41 pm
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"Amen to the trixter 'smack."

You're very welcome, Dodger. However, I fully expect Trix to smack me right back, in typical weisenheimer mode!

Author: Littlesongs
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:44 pm
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According to Broadcasting & Cable, FNC is one of the few News Corporation assets making any money. All cable news companies are seeing profits from the 2008 campaign, but what the future holds is not clear. Without an election to cover, FNC could easily be in the dumper before long.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 6:45 pm
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I wonder what Fox News' salary budget looks like. I mean, they seem to have many more anchors than any other cable news channel I can think of. There is no way that the anchors are responsible for an 11B loss.

Come to think of it, where ARE they getting hit if not sponsorship?

Author: Missing_kskd
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 7:19 pm
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Could be cost of production is too high. Not sure it's THAT high, but you never know. They also spent some money on Internet properties, like MySpace. Pretty sure those didn't deliver the return they thought.

That's where part of it could be too.

As for sponsors, don't know if it does any good, but I've participated in a few, "let them know what they are paying for" campaigns as of late.

Maybe that has an impact, maybe it's just the change in political winds. Really, most of their core messaging is most valuable to the 23 percenters.

Author: Littlesongs
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 7:23 pm
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I wonder what Fox News' salary budget looks like.

Peter Chernin - $28.8 million
Rupert Murdoch - $27.6 million
Sean Hannity - $20 million
Roger Ailes - $19.9 million
Bill O'Reilly - $10 million
Glenn Beck - undisclosed millions per year
Shepard Smith - $8 million
Steve Centanni & Olaf Wiig -- $2 million ransom

Author: Vitalogy
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 9:52 pm
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Pro wrestling gets good revenues and ratings too because there's no shortage of idiots in America, and it would appear that Fox News shares the same demographic.

Author: Skeptical
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 10:42 pm
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NASCAR.

Author: Amus
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 7:47 am
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A Freudian slip?

Rupert Murdoch;

Even on [finance] terms, we have never been a company that tolerates facts.

LINK

LINK

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 10:45 am
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Trixter, but your "FAUXNews" and "DUHbya," etc. schtick is getting mighty stale. How about some fresh material for a change? Change is good!

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good. Raw has the best cable ratings in the history of tv. Is it that good?
Change is good. America voted for change. Don't like it??? TOO BAD!

Author: Skybill
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 10:50 am
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Change is all we'll have left in our pockets when this administration is done with us.

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 10:52 am
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An IOU is all you got from DUHbya and Co.
And empty promises.... Failed policies...
WOW!

Author: Vitalogy
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:09 am
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Skybill, you mean change is all we have left after the Bush Adminstration is NOW done with us. It's up to Obama to clean up the disaster Bush left behind.

Our economic crisis is a DIRECT RESULT of the conservative GOP economic policies of the Bush Adminstration.

It's beyond me how conservatives are completely blind to this fact. If Bush had done a great job, we wouldn't need a stimulus.

Author: Amus
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:13 am
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"It's beyond me how conservatives are completely blind to this fact."

HA!!
Fact has no place in the Conservative lexicon.

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:34 am
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It's beyond me how conservatives are completely blind to this fact. If Bush had done a great job, we wouldn't need a stimulus.

A stimulus? One? You think one is going to cure this problem? Good luck... One package isn't going to get MILLIONS of people back to work. Ask Japan how stimulus packages worked there... 10 years later!
Tens of TRILLIONS of dollars folks to get America going again...
Obama might only have 4 years... 8 won't even be enough....

Author: Aok
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:41 am
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I wonder, does Fools News carry each and every speech of Obama? Every time Bush cleared his throat, they carried it live.

Author: Talpdx
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:25 pm
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"Change is all we'll have left in our pockets when this administration is done with us". I assume you’re referring of course to George W. Bush.

Plummeting home values, 401k's dropping like a rock, skyrocketing food prices, the doubling of medical deductibles in 8 years, the enormous increase in the national debt. All thanks to our illustrious former president, George W. Bush.

Author: Skybill
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:37 pm
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All thanks to our illustrious former president, George W. Bush.

It's easy to blame Bush and conveniently forget about the democratic led congress.

Ooops.

Author: Andy_brown
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:42 pm
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The Congress that created this mess was the one in power from'94 to '06, led by Republicans.

Author: Skybill
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:45 pm
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It's too bad that today's politicians don't heed the advice of Thomas Jefferson;

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109181.html

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff122881.html

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136389.html

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136410.html

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157220.html

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff125076.html

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff100991.html

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html

My personal favorites are the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 7th ones.

Author: Skybill
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:50 pm
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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~

Author: Vitalogy
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:52 pm
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The Democratic led Congress from 2006-2008 was beholden to a Presidential veto and GOP filibusters in the Senate. So, none of the measures they wanted to pass passed, which meant we kept on "keeping on" with the GOP playbook, business as usual. Nice try!

Face the facts, the blame lies squarely at the doorstep of the GOP.

Author: Broadway
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:56 pm
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Amazing...profound politcal/social wisdom from a great preacher with his wisdom still being communicated after his passing...just do the math.

Author: Andy_brown
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 1:00 pm
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You can't run a country in the 21st century the way the country was run in the 18th century.

Having said that, Jefferson's dogma was far broader than the incessant preoccupation with some of the 2nd amendment, e.g.:

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

"Be polite to all, but intimate with few." Tell Cheney.

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." This is what I mean about 18th century wisdom being somewhat out of place today.

"Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government. " Note to Bush43.

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. " Note to Bush43.

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories." Note to McCain. This is why you lost.

and one of my personal faves:

"He who knows best knows how little he knows."

Author: Talpdx
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 1:08 pm
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During the first six years of his presidency, George W. Bush didn't veto any appropriations legislation passed by the GOP controlled Congress.

Bush had every opportunity to act prudently. But instead, he went on the spending spree to end all spending sprees. My favorite of course is the Iraq War. Remember when he and his surrogates were claiming it would cost $100 billion dollars? It’ll easily exceed a trillion dollars. The man showed little fiscal restraint.

Gotta love the dumbest man ever to be president, George W. Bush.

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 3:11 pm
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It's easy to blame Bush and conveniently forget about the democratic led congress.


From 06' to 08'?? You had 6 years to ram as much crap down the American publics throats and you did! YOU were in charge for 8 years with a Republican HEAVY congress for 6 of that! I'd say that a lot is on YOUR hands....
Don't like the truth? Don't make stuff up!

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 3:15 pm
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Skybill...
Broadway...

When your presented with the truth you hide? Is that a EXTREME RIGHT trait? Just wondering....

Author: Broadway
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 4:48 pm
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>>You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

Truth...do the math...not extreme...just making sense.

Author: Skeptical
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 5:12 pm
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With Obama given a mandate from the people and their party tossed out of the White House AND Congress, the 'fraidy cats have nothing left to do but screech -- and this includes ex-vice president Cheney. STFU.

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 7:17 pm
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Truth...do the math...not extreme...just making sense.

Problem is YOUR truth is EXTREME and most American's aren't buying it anymore..
Get the facts....
NEXT!

Author: Missing_kskd
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 7:49 pm
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You cannot multiply wealth by hoarding it, or losing it gambling either.

Both of which, got us here, along with sending our jobs overseas, Broadway.

What you can do, is invest it in things we can use to build more wealth. That will multiply it.

That's essentially what the New Deal was.

...and all that wealth, and a very large fraction of the capacity to generate more of it was what the Milton Freedman (however you spell that bastards name) crowd just got done selling to our international neighbors.

Now they have it, want payment on it. What happens when we don't invest in ways to pay them back?

They buy us. Then it's their country and we just live here.

Did you think that part of it through?

Truth is, we sold our future and we borrowed against nearly everything we have today, and we shipped out jobs, and we gambled the spoils away in complex and unregulated markets.

We are all poor now. The difference is that some of us realize that, and support the sacrifice and work it will take to pay all that down and right things.

The rest of us are either selfish, stupid, in denial, or want this so that some ideological agenda gets fulfilled.

Other nations have great health care. They own many of our successful companies and are taking care of their own with profits that should be here, if we had any kind of sane policy.

Not all is rosy Broadway. Did you read the stuff I linked here about China? Do you realize they are dumping dollars and or buying what remains of this nation, and it's ability to build wealth, so they don't go down as hard as we do?

If this crap continues, people are gonna hit the streets. It will happen here, and internationally, and it will be really ugly.

A majority of Americans realize the economic theories we've followed for 30 years are a failure. Time to do something that is either new, or that we know works based on our past experience.

Obama is open to any and all NEW ideas. That's the bi-partisan deal. He's also been extremely clear about pushing forward with what is known to work and that means building stuff now, to get money moving again, then using that stuff to build more and pay down our debts and secure our future.

We either sink or swim as a nation. There isn't any, "well, I've got mine, screw you" kind of deal going to happen. We are either going to knuckle down and right this, or it's going to get more than political. It's going to get downright militant as people figure out how badly they've been screwed, and BY WHOM.

Republicans did this Broadway. Now Republicans are afraid that if it's actually fixed, they will be outed and marginalized for a good long time.

They will let us burn, rather than just step up and admit it was a bad call, and work to right it.

That's about as selfish, as "you can't multiply wealth by dividing it!", is. Quit living in 1970, wake up and look around man.

Author: Littlesongs
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 9:44 pm
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"Quit living in 1970, wake up and look around man."

I'll spell out the names of two bastards: Ayd Rand and Milton Friedman were sources of this madness. Blind obedience to their philosophies has twisted our priorities, rotted the very core of our democracy and perverted our financial system.

Fox fits right into their world view. Journalism is irrelevant. The truth is unimportant if the ratings are high and advertisers step up. If the machine makes money, it works.

Our country is unique. It cannot be run in a "purely" free enterprise way and our "major achievements" have seldom been made without government involvement. Whether it is the Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Coulee Dam, the railroads, air travel, the internet, electrical grid, or the interstate highway system, it has taken public dollars to make it happen.

Author: Missing_kskd
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 10:13 pm
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Republicans....

In Praise of Partisanship: Rush is Right

Obama’s plan would buy votes for the Democrat Party, in the same way FDR’s New Deal established majority power for 50 years of Democrat rule.....

Rush Limbaugh, drug addict

Let us review...

A devastating terrorist attack that Republicans had clear warning of...succeeded. Republicans deregulated every industry and financial entity that lobbied (bribed) them to deregulate. Then the Republicans placed those lobbyists in what remained of the gutted regulatory agencies, to 'oversee' their own industries. The Republicans passed tax cuts for the rich that 'redistributed wealth' from the poor and working classes to the top 10%, the majority of whom are, you guessed it....Republicans. Who promptly took that money out of the economy instead of using it to create jobs. The number of jobs in America steadily declined under Republican policies. The financial, economic and human catastrophe we now face was created, enabled and....ignored until it blew up in all of our faces....by Republicans.

Republicans started spying on American Citizens before 9/11. And as recent revelations confirm, spied on ALL Americans. The Republicans did this with no due process, no probable cause and no warrants. The Republicans established Gitmo. The Republicans thus dissolved Habeas Corpus, the basis of all law in Western Civilization, and began to torture the detainees. Many of which have been proven to be innocent...and in the process established the number one recruiting cause of an entire generation of new terrorists. Number one anyway, until the Republicans transported their torture techniques and regimen from Gitmo....to Abu Ghraib. Which brings us to...the Republicans invaded Iraq. Widely viewed as the greatest foreign policy blunder in American history, the Republicans are directly responsible for the deaths of up to a million Iraqis...and over 4000 dead American soldiers and tens of thousands of wounded ones.

All while the Republicans decimated every aspect of Veterans funding and allowed Walter Reed Hospital to become a scandal of Republican neglect of our troops...all while the Republicans were calling any and all critics of their terrible policies unpatriotic traitors....who didn't support the troops.

The Republicans exposed an entire CIA nuclear anti-terrorism network that Valerie Plame worked at, in order to punish her husband, a critic of the Republicans. Then covered it up and obstructed justice in the trial of convicted Republican criminal Scooter Libby. The Republican president then commuted this Republican criminals jail sentence.

A Republican Senator was arrested in an airport bathroom for soliciting gay sex. A Republican Senator admitted being diapered by a prostitute. A Republican Congressman was forced to resign for inappropriate contact with underage Congressional pages. All while the Republicans pushed their "Family Values" agenda against the GLBT community and the rest of America. And Terry Schiavo.

The Republicans subverted, corrupted and politicized the Department of Justice. To the point of Republican Attorneys General refusing to enforce lawful Congressional subpoenas against....any and all Republicans. Including any Republican politicians involved in the Jack Abramoff corruption case, in which only Republicans were implicated in corruption and pay to play. Republicans imprisoned a Democratic governor of one of our 50 states for political reasons. Republicans in the DOJ targeted many more political investigations against Democrats for political purposes.

--->That's not mine, but I sure liked it.


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