Michale Phelps and the "sticky Icky"...

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Author: Beano
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 1:12 pm
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http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20090203/SWM.Phelps.Marijuana/

Author: Vitalogy
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 1:26 pm
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Here's the picture: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/01/phelps_516_0102_25518a.jpg

Personally, I say big deal.

A bigger deal should have been made when he got a DUII at age 19.

Author: Warner
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 2:25 pm
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Isn't that his asthma inhaler? :-)

Author: Stevethedj
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 3:08 pm
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And prove in court that it wasen't tobacco in that pipe. lol.

Author: Trixter
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 4:20 pm
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Excellent! That means a pot smoker was kicking everyone's ass in the Olympics! Wonder if he would have done better without the pot?
We have bigger problems in America than an athlete smoking pot! 99% of the NBA smokes pot....

Author: Chickenjuggler
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 4:37 pm
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And, of course, you posted that at 4:20.

Author: Beano
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 4:56 pm
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We know what TRIXTER does while he is on PDXRADIO! **Cough cough** :-)

Author: Vitalogy
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 5:17 pm
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I doubt he's a pothead. But, it appears he enjoys a bowl every so often and is unlucky enough to become someone's pay day.

I'll bet the actual number of people who smoke pot once a year is much higher (no pun intended) than most people would believe to be true. And it would cross all sections of culture, some more than others though.

Author: Missing_kskd
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 5:22 pm
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This is totally true!

Author: Darktemper
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 5:23 pm
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No wonder he eats so much, the dude has a major case of the munchies!

Author: Trixter
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 7:24 pm
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And, of course, you posted that at 4:20.

DAMN RIGHT I DID!

*cough* *cough*

Author: Beano
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 12:28 am
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Vitalogy said "I doubt he's a pothead."


Who are we talking about? Trixter or Michael Phelps? :-)

Author: Shyguy
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 8:30 am
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Hey if he plays this right he could be the next unoffical/offical spokesman for the "let's stop the nonsensical War on Drugs." crowd. He has more appeal than most politicians.

Yeah I'm stoned..

Author: Moman74
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 9:05 am
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While I have smoked in my past, I think it's hypocritical to smear a record holding athlete for a mistake. How many NFL guys get DUIIs or worse (see Plaxico Burress)? NBA pot problem has already been mentioned. Baseball player chew tobacco(not all of them) and drink heavily. The stress of being in the spotlight is probably difficult. Some can handle it some can't. We all cope with stress in different ways. I filed this report under "Who the f*** cares!"

Author: Broadway
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 9:35 am
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He commercial value just went for a nose dive.
No more (serious) endorsements maybe forever.

Author: Bookemdono
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 9:48 am
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Don't you mean his value went up in smoke?

Author: Broadway
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 10:08 am
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Meant to say "his" commercial value...
Yes...up in smoke...and how long does smoke last?

Author: Shyguy
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 11:26 am
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I'm still waiting for his endorsements to start to disappear. So far to my knowledge everyone is still supporting him. So up in smoke is a joke right?

Author: Bunsofsteel
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 1:07 pm
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I would bet over 90% of the people on this board have smoked a joint at least once in their lifetime!

He is a twenty-something year old kid! Most kids have smoked a joint or at least TRIED POT!
And Broadway, you're not a very "forgiving" person.
Would Jesus forgive Michael Phelps??
I think he would.
Buns-Of-Steel- OUT!

Author: Tadc
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 1:33 pm
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Would Jesus smoke a joint?

Isn't medicinal pot use documented in the bible?

Newsflash! People smoke pot, and don't (usually) turn into crackheads or losers...

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 1:51 pm
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I don't think he will lose anybody.

The political view on this kind of thing is easing up.

Author: Broadway
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 2:36 pm
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>>Would Jesus forgive Michael Phelps??

He'd have to ask forgivenss...and yes He would...He's in the redemption business.

>>And Broadway, you're not a very "forgiving" person.

who do I need to forgive that has "wronged" me?

>>The political view on this kind of thing is easing up

A sad day in America if true...pot doesn't do any good for brain matter.

Author: Andy_brown
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 2:42 pm
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Brain Damage Myth:

Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use causes brain damage. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use.

In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.

In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity in your brain. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states, which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

Memory
Marijuana does impair short-term memory, but only during intoxication. Although the authoritative studies on marijuana use seem to agree that there is no residual impairment following intoxication, persistent impairment of short-term memory has been noted in chronic marijuana smokers, up to 6 and 12 weeks following abstinence.

http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20_mens_health.html

Author: Broadway
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 2:53 pm
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>>There is no evidence that marijuana use causes brain damage

I guess my long time friend who can hardly talk in full sentences who smoked the stuff massively in the 60's-70's doesn't count?

Author: Andy_brown
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 3:08 pm
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"I guess my long time friend who can hardly talk in full sentences who smoked the stuff massively in the 60's-70's doesn't count?"

Sorry to hear that, but it is unlikely that smoking pot is causal to his/her condition. It's a convenient target when there is no proof of other more dangerous drug use and many other possible reasons based on birth defects, learning disabilities, exposure to chemicals used in war, in industry, etc.

Some people have no business altering their state if they knowingly have pre-existing conditions that may be exacerbated by otherwise harmless diversions.

Remember drummer Jeff Porcaro. He died after spraying the lawn with weed killer because his heart had been weakened by cocaine and alcohol and it couldn't handle what a little weed killer did do his cardiovascular system. Maybe your friend had an unknown condition all along. Anyway, the research is out there, but as usual you are in denial of facts that you don't like.

Good luck.

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 4:25 pm
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I guess my long time friend who can hardly talk in full sentences who smoked the stuff massively in the 60's-70's doesn't count?

How about my friend that was killed by a drunk driver or my grandfather that died of emphysema after smoking cigarettes for 44+ years......

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 4:48 pm
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Seriously!

Been trying to kick cigarettes here for years! They are addictive as hell.

Pot? It's take it or leave it. This is true for nearly anybody, which is exactly why we see NO major problems surrounding it.

I'll bet that friend consumed more than just pot, or they wouldn't be fried today.

Author: Mc74
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 6:44 pm
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I dont really care about him smoking weed, but what makes me mad is the stupid police saying that they might file police charges.

Complete waste of time and tax payer money. If you are going to go after phelps then atleast go after Obama.

http://current.com/items/89613866/obama_pledges_not_to_smoke_in_white_house.htm

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 6:49 pm
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Agreed MC. But that's South Carolina for you.

Author: Shyguy
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:33 am
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The few people that I have met in my life who I could classify as "Perma-Fried" are never the pot smokers but those who liberally experimented with more than just one substance.

Then you meet the people who have liberally overindulged in lots of things and not a thing happens to these fuckers.

Notice how Broadway shut up real fast after realizing his friend probally was frying his brain but just not on only marajuana!

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:46 am
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Funny isn't it?

That's been my experience too.

Author: Broadway
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 9:17 am
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>>just not on only marajuana

that's what he told me, just lots of weed in the early years, but when it's not all there I'm sure you can get a bad memory...wonder why...hey...why do they call it dope?

Author: Shyguy
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:57 am
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Why is that there is a scientific process used to make opium into herion, coca into cocaine, not to mention all the chemical only based concoctions out there which when you think about are all man made processes yet with cannibis there is no process, or chemical rendering. Ganja (or whatever you prefer to call it) was created by god. What purpose he intended it to be used for is beyond me. No human process to refine weed into weed. Exception of course being hashish but that is also debatable.

We are in hard times. Hard times call for new revenue streams so why not tax the production and sell of this wonderful herb?

DECRIM NOW!

Author: Andy_brown
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 11:29 am
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The lobby against legalization is driven in large part to the paper industry. A lot of paper products historically speaking were made from hemp, until it became illegal to grow it. Legalizing pot means legalizing growing the plant (hemp) and therefore threatening the paper industry. Growers would have little waste. Buds to the smoking industry and stalks to the mills for paper.

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 1:08 pm
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> that's what he told me, just lots of weed in the early years, but when it's not all there I'm sure
> you can get a bad memory...wonder why...hey...why do they call it dope?

If he just self-diagnosed that his mental problems were caused by smoking, I would take what he says with a grain of salt. How do you know that he's telling you the complete story? If a medical diagnosis was made linking the smoking to the mental issues, then that is quite different.

Author: Shyguy
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 2:38 pm
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Unfortunately Reefer Madness is still alive and kicking.

Author: Skeptical
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 5:42 pm
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Kellogg's just pulled the plug on Phelps.

Author: Beano
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 6:29 pm
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Shyguy said
"Unfortunately Reefer Madness is still alive and kicking."



Are you talking about the paperback "Reefer Madness" By Eric Schlosser?

Author: Broadway
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 7:08 pm
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Lost Kelloggs deal and suspended...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488904,00.html

Author: Beano
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 7:46 pm
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Come on guys lets be a little more "BLUNT" about Michael Phelps!

Get it? BLUNT! HAR DE HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:20 pm
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Well, I'll just have to write a letter to Kelloggs, letting them know I don't need their moral authority. That's one company I can just keep an eye out, not to buy from.

He took a hit. In a lot of states, this is now just a minor league violation. The case for making it criminal is getting weaker every year.

...and some people are mad because not making an example of him will let others know it's OK.

Well, it is, frankly. Just like anything else, it can be a problem, but only if the person makes it one.

Say what you want. The number of casual pot smokers is HUGE. Off the charts huge. It's a big industry, that might just help pull us out of this slump, BTW. Tax it, and that's a whole new source of revenue that can come online in two years.

And it's a double dip too!

Removing the criminal penalty would free up a lot of prison beds, we could use for full on, real assholes! Plus, the savings in court costs, daily per diem for those serving time for nothing but a hit.

Lowering costs is money in the bank. Seems to me we need that right now.

Triple dip!!

It creates jobs people! We can employ people to grow, cultivate, test, distribute, render treatment for those that have trouble, like we do booze every single day, write ads for it!

Bet the whole thing is a 50 billion dollar a year industry in the waiting. It would be on par with music, which...

Quadruple dip!

Music and movie sales would go up, not to mention the junk food.

Then we could start doing "free trade" deals GOP style. Wanna trade with the US? Want to tap that huge consumer market?

Step up baby. Decriminalize the pot, and open your markets, and we will open ours!

They could use the income, like we could, to fund anti opiate and meth efforts too. Fund the real drug wars and actually do some good with that income. Target very addictive, man made substances. Meth, opiates (refined, not poppys, those are natural and should be legal to grow and consume in natural form as well), designer drugs, and all that other shit that's being imported here.

Post up a task force that's got all the money it needs to just shut those clowns down. And I'm actually quite serious on that. The man made substances are big trouble. The biggest. Anything we can do to cut that problem is good.

What's not to like?

Oh yeah... some of us feel dirty about it. Well, most of those feel dirty about sex too.

(yeah, I'm in a mood)

Kind of serious about the letter to anybody dropping Phelps though.

Author: Vitalogy
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:43 pm
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Where was Kelloggs when he had his DUII at age 19?

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:57 pm
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Had a DUII?

No kidding. That's WAY worse.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:59 pm
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What other endorsement deals does he have that are at risk? Which companies?

I will pay attention to who stands by him. I'm sure Kellogg weighed the risk and decided to drop him. That caters to those who feel he should be dropped. Perfectly reasonable. I happen to be in the other camp. I will choose what I buy accordingly.

Author: Shyguy
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:08 am
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Kellogs was probally afraid of all the "negative" (there interepatation not mine) of the possibilities of there products being parodied? Imagine California Medical Marajuana Despensories selling boxes of "Weedies" with a picture of Phelps sucking on the bong?

"WEEDIES its whats for breakfast and for all your wake n bake needs"

I doubt we will see anymore sponsers drop but I could be wrong.

And Beano I was refering the historical and hillarious film by the same name.

And Missing is right about that estimated 50 billion dollar a year industry that decriminalized marajuana could provide, but he forgot one industry that would also benefit and that would be travel and hospitality. If Amsterdam can do it why can't certain cities in the US do the same?

Portland, Seattle, San Fransisco, Mendicino, Humboldt, Ann Arbor, just to name a few.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:54 am
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Wheaties is a General Mills product if memory serves.

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:04 pm
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It's amazing. If you stop at the corner tav on the way home after work and have a pint of microbrew, your normal. If you go home after work and have a b.h. before dinner your a drug addict.

The witch hunt against pot smokers really underscores what's wrong with politics. Suppressing the truth, the research, the facts about cannabis is not rooted in health issues, rather it's all about money, like everything else in politics. What's worse is that so many Americans take the swill the government puts out as truth, and form their opinions without doing any independent research. Sad.

Author: Tdanner
Friday, February 06, 2009 - 7:24 pm
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There was an excellent special on last week on CNBC called "Marijuana, Inc."... looking at 3 counties in California. Being CNBC,it will replay constantly... especially on days when the markets are closed. Might be on Monday.

Author: Justin_timberfake
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 4:56 pm
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I have read numerous articles that talk about how smoking Cigarettes is MUCH more damaging to your health than Smoking a joint. Any Brown hit the nail on the head - "the facts about cannabis is not rooted in health issues, rather it's all about money, like everything else in politics."
Amen to that statement! Plus I haven't see a ton of research showing that Mary Jane is addictive, while cigarettes are!

If our country put down the cigarette and picked up a joint we would all be a lot healthier, not to mention a lot more mellow!

There is only one small problem that I see with legalizing pot.
Pot will be a gateway drug to the next step IE- Cocaine and even harder stuff! Teenagers want what they can't have! If they can't have than they want it, if they can have it, than they DON'T want want it. It's the forbidden fruit, "If I can't have it, I'll find a way to get it."

Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 5:38 pm
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Well, a counter point would be they still can't have it! If the legal age is, say 21, then it works the same as it does right now.

As for the gateway, I don't buy that one. There is a huge difference between pot and even booze! (with booze being way worse)

From there, it's a big step up, no matter which substance is in play. Part of that problem is a social one, and being real about drugs, as a society is important.

Part of it is enforcement too. If we are being real about the drugs, then perhaps the resources we do have to bring to bear on the problem will actually be applied to the problem!

Bad ass, man made substances is a serious problem. We need to keep working on that. No question.

It should be possible to have a real conversation about these things and through that apply solutions and see some results. Not talking about it, or just blanket negative discussion lacks authority, and doesn't help allocate and focus resources where they might actually do some good.

Author: Broadway
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 5:55 pm
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>>Pot will be a gateway drug

true to most who use the hard stuff...just never start...please!

Author: Stevethedj
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 6:18 pm
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Pot is not a gateway drug. I know lots of people who smoke pot and don't use harder stuff. Thru the years.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 6:21 pm
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If our country put down the cigarette and picked up a joint we would all be a lot healthier, not to mention a lot more mellow!

Not so. Nothing would get done. Our global lead in new technology and nearly everything else requiring precisely functioning brain matter would come to an end.

Pot is for losers. Whether or not you get tossed in jail for it is low on my priority list.

Author: Stevethedj
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 6:25 pm
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GOD made it. So it is good.

Author: Andy_brown
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 7:04 pm
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"Pot is for losers."

Bullshit. You are so off base with that statement, it curdles milk.

It's only a gateway drug, btw, for people who would succumb to harder drugs anyway. Most heroin users don't like pot and most meth users use pot to mellow out their abrasive high. The amount of cannabis users that indulge in anything more than a beer is very small. More heroin, cocaine and meth users started with milk, moved up to sugar, and then right into alcohol. In fact, alcohol and cigarettes can kill you right in your chair. No one has ever died from smoking too much pot unless they got too high to drive or went cliff climbing afterward.

And as far as the list of "losers" that smoke pot include governor of California (Arnold Schwarzenegger), astronomer (Carl Sagan), mayor of New York (Michael Bloomberg), billionaire rock star/songwriter (Paul McCartney).

Losers? I'll tell you who the losers are. The ones that stop at the tavern after work and have 5 pints of microbrew and then drive home and have a six pack for dessert.

Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 8:39 pm
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LOL!!!@Skep

The idea that "pot is for losers" and that allowing people to consume it would put an end to our "global lead" in "new technology" is laughable.

Seriously!

PSA: If some body wants to smoke pot today, they simply do.

What about the current state of things prevents losers from obtaining it now?

..or are you saying there is a ton of people, who would suddenly start consuming it, but are some how being held back by the law?

If so, who?

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 10:28 pm
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I'll tell you who the losers are. The ones that stop at the tavern after work and have 5 pints of microbrew and then drive home and have a six pack for dessert.

They're losers too.


KSKD, while I'm sure there are pot smokers that hold it together and get things done in their lives, but . . .

Man, if I ever need to get things done and need the assistance of others to complete a project, asking they smoke pot would be a near fail-safe method of ensuring my project is free of people with attendance problems, laziness issues, chaos-creaters and overall screwups.

If pot was legal, you'd be inviting more people down the road to take the slippery slope to just being stoned instead of facing up to issues they ought to be dealing with within both their personal lives and professional lives. Our edge in the world might be lost to another country.

Unlike alcohol, other than a drug test, it is often difficult to know when someone is stoned and is unsafe to coworkers, et al. Why open that can of worms?

Author: Andy_brown
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 10:45 pm
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Andy reaches for the silver bullet

Besides Skep, without it we'd have next to no decent music, not in the past, not now, not ever!!

!!

Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 10:53 pm
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You don't know if they are stoned?

Are you kidding me?

Of course you know. The signs are always there. Go look them up. It's not hard.

Guess what? Anybody who wants to escape can do so, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Trying to legislate that, or supporting that indirectly by hoping "pot smokers" get theirs, just because you've had a project hosed by stoners --(and I wonder because you said you can't tell...), isn't too much different from trying to make other choices for people.

You've gone off here many times over that. This is no different.

There are things you can do, and those are where your solutions are at. You can screen your people better. You can higher higher up the food chain. You can structure your projects for the best possible outcomes, etc...

Escaping can happen any number of ways, with pot being just one way. Again, if somebody is inclined to do that, they are absolutely gonna do that, and it's their choice to do that.

They can get seek out bad relationships, drink their ass off, abuse cold medications, stay up all hours, get into fights, zone out on the TV, and god knows what else that IS legal. Who knows? Driving you nuts might get them off.

Sorry you had some bad people hose things up. Welcome to the club! Happens all the time, pot or not.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 11:33 pm
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I did say that the whole thing is low on my priority list. I'm just not convince that we can handle legalized pot any better than what we're doing with alcohol. Still too many dwi-related deaths.

With alcohol, the more one is intoxicated, the more obvious the effect, while with pot, I'm afraid, one might not be aware of just how stoned someone is until you get stabbed with a fork lift.



Besides, if pot was legal, you'd take the fun out of it for many a musician -- who wants to write music stoned when you're grandma is doing the same thing! :-)

Author: Missing_kskd
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 10:30 am
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That's cool. I was just surprised frankly!

Author: Vitalogy
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 12:35 pm
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Whether or not pot is legal would make no difference in the use. It's so easy to obtain it's practically legal anyway.

Author: Justin_timberfake
Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 1:27 pm
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Unless your selling it, cops will just give you a slap on the wrist! (In potland anyways) We have pretty lax pot laws. There are far better things cops can be doing than busting kids who have some pot on them.

Author: Broadway
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 9:38 am
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Oh but the real reason not to smoke it...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489866,00.html

Author: Missing_kskd
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 9:56 am
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Yeah ok, sure.

That's most likely data from regular smoking over 20 years or something.

The real uses come nowhere close to that, unless they are medical, then it's a trade-off.

One of the best "uses" is a small amount, right before some good, live music in the evening with friends. Few things in this world are better.

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 10:36 am
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Broadway...
How about cigarettes? Just because they are legal means nothing! They kill!

Author: Broadway
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:51 pm
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>>How about cigarettes

yes I agree...regular legal smoking is very bad for you and I discourage it especially to teens/20ish kids lots. Just don't understand how millions of humans enjoy the "rotton egg" smell of beer and inhaling smoke into their lungs as something of pleasure. Took 2 gulps and later couple of cig inhales as a teen...not for me...not pious...just healthy preference.

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 3:17 pm
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Thanks for NOT answering the question presented to you. WOW! Just like always...

Author: Skeptical
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 5:34 pm
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You're just now figuring that out Trixer? Broadway just makes stuff up and doesn't even try to ensure they're based on facts.

How about those DEAD American soldiers Broadway? Hmm?

Author: Trixter
Monday, February 09, 2009 - 7:14 pm
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BROAD is worried about an Olympic swimmer while IED's are killing our boys over in Iraq.

Author: Beano
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 7:13 am
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Id be more worried about decreased sperm quality.
When I gave a "Donation" a few months back, I had very healthy sperm.

Author: Shyguy
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 7:58 am
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TDanner earlier in this thread reccomended watching Marajuana Inc. playing on CNBC. Thanks for the mention TDanner. What a fabulous accurate portryal of both sides of the argument. Educational and if you enjoy pot LOTS of POT PORN! Seriously a really well done piece kudo's to CNBC.

Author: Vitalogy
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 10:53 am
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I've got it on DVR and plan to watch it sometime this week.

Author: Vitalogy
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 7:06 pm
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Update: Eight charged over Phelps bong photo

Michael Phelps' world has already lost at least one sponsor after a picture of him smoking from a bong was published by a British tabloid. Now it seems others will pay a price as well.

Eight people have been arrested in connection with the pot-smoking picture, WIS-TV in Columbia, S.C. reported. According to the report, seven people have been charged with drug possession and one person with distribution.

Phelps was not one of the people charged.

Police have confiscated the bong from the picture, according to the report, after the bong's owner tried to sell the paraphernalia for $100,000 on eBay. The owner was not at the party when Phelps was photographed.

Richland County sheriff's department, which last week said it was considering pursuing charges against Phelps, could not confirm or deny the TV station's report.

"The reporter who released that story is claiming that he has sources, but we're not the source of that information," said Lt. Chris Cowan, the department's public information officer, according to a Los Angeles Times report Tuesday. "We're not releasing any additional information. We are investigating, and if we determine that illegal activity has occurred, we will bring charges."

-What a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars to spend even one hour looking into this. Is South Carolina so hard up for crime to fight that this is what the sheriff spends his time pursuing?

Author: Missing_kskd
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 7:14 pm
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Isn't South Carolina the state that still flies the confederate flag too?

Major bummer. If Phelps has the cash, he should do the right thing and get representation for these people straight away.

Total waste of tax dollars for sure.

Author: Vitalogy
Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 2:53 pm
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Holy crap. I watched the Marijuana Inc show last night and I'll say three things:

1. The chick hosting the show was incredibly cheesy.

2. Mendocino County rocks. They should be a model for the rest of our country to follow.

3. No more proof needs to be provided that pot should be legal and taxed.

Author: Tdanner
Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 3:24 pm
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Re: Marijuana Inc on CNBC

I DO agree with Vita that the young woman hosting was beyond incredibly cheesy. I also got the impression that she might have gone into the project as very anti-legalization.... and was having a really hard time getting material that reflected her point of view.

Anyone want to share the driving for a road trip to Oaksterdam?

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 11:39 pm
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LOL!!!

I know certified providers. The whole program is actually interesting!

IMHO, the medical uses are legit. If you have chronic nausea, pain of some kinds, cancers, Krhons Diesease, etc... it's effective where a lot of very expensive things are not, or are priced outta reach.

When are they going to just put THC in a pill form? It's often effective without anywhere near the brain high, when consumed orally.

Author: Skybill
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 1:40 am
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...the medical uses are legit.

I'm not sure I buy that it is. I think it's just an excuse for people to get high.

With all the medical advances, I'm sure that if THC is the only substance that will relieve their symptoms that it can be extracted and put into pill form as Missing says.

Don't get me wrong, I used to smoke pot (a long time ago) and I enjoyed it. In fact, I liked it better than drinking beer.

Author: Tdanner
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 8:56 am
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I have had many chemo buddies during my six months of chemo years ago, and since, who found the "THC pills" currently available either ineffective or nauseating.

Additionally, why force folks to ingest chemically derived or imitated products when a 100% natural product is available which has almost universally deemed safe for use, especially when taken in vaporized or ingestion methods rather than smoking. While being treated for cancer, I spoke at length with my surgeon, my oncologist, my radiologist, and my GP about their opinions of medical cannibis. Every single one of them said they had absolutely no problems with it, and my oncologist stated that for many many patients it is a literal lifesaver -- help fight the nausea, lack of appetite and depression and allowed patients to eat, continue taking their toxic meds, and survive their treatments long enough to recover.

And it ain't your mother's dime bag anymore. Responsible growers now clone, hybridize, and grow multiple strains, both indica and sativa, to handle different medical needs -- muscular pain versus joint pain (hehehe - she said joint), nausea from toxic drugs, clinical depression, glaucoma etc., and at different "strengths" for different patients.

And Oregon's Medical Marijuana plan has been successful enough that each year it has delivered a multi-million dollar check to the state's education fund, because the $100 per year for each patient's card far exceeds the actual costs of running the program. It's generating revenues for the state!!

Even though the young and the stupid abuse painkillers like Oxycontin and Oxycodone -- most of us don't think twice about(or beat ourselves up over) using those drugs when prescribed by our doctors for treatment of pain.

At the very least, cannibis should be legal and available in every state for medical purposes.

And I personally concur with the former Presidents of Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia who have called for the US to end the criminalization of majijuana, siting the facts that a)it has failed miserably; b)it is rapidly becoming legal in much of the world; and therefore c)trying to supress marijuana devours focus, time and resources from those drugs that literally are threatening our civilization.

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 11:40 am
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Good info on the pills. I wondered about that. As an example, nicotine also behaves differently on oral administration, vs smoking. The THC works in a similar fashion. Good to know.

Skybill -- Let's just say you don't know what you are talking about and leave it at that.

I will add this: Most medications that are potent enough to relieve chronic pain, or other intense symptoms, can and absolutely do cross the blood brain barrier. This means the paitent is gonna get high.

The difference is this:

Addiction and the euphoria that comes from the medication is linked to the triggers for it. If medication is taken in response to pain, that's the trigger. Addiction then diminishes with the pain diminishing, and there are few issues.

On the other hand, if somebody just takes the medication and experiences the high, that's no big deal either ---UNTIL they take it in response to some NON PAIN trigger. The seeds for serious addiction are then planted!

Somebody using medical pot has this same dynamic in play. It's no different from opiates, and some of the stronger anti-nausea, sleep, and similar medication.

So then, your "excuse to get high", simply means you've never been in the situation where any of this was meaningful to you.

And that's why I said, let's just say you don't know what you are talking about. I've had, sadly, plenty of direct experience with chronic pain patients. You, clearly, have not.

Author: Skeptical
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 2:16 pm
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I'll concede here that pot has some medical benefits for chronic pain patients, and perhaps maybe a few other types of medical issues.

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 3:05 pm
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And it has the benefit of not being significantly physically addictive.

Author: Skybill
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 7:12 pm
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So if you smoke "Medical" pot, is it OK to drive?

...former Presidents of Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia...

No doubt they'd be for it since a good part of the pot supply is grown in their countries. It's a huge cash crop for them.

Author: Tdanner
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 7:26 pm
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Driving stoned is no more appropriate than driving drunk or driving vicodin'd. States have established alcohol levels for their definition of impaired. Cops and the courts currently operate on a case by case basis when cannibis and narcotics (whether perscribed or illegal) are suspected to be the cause of unacceptable driving.

A substantial portion of the hard narcotics supplied to the US come from Mexico, Colombia and Brazil, along with the Taliban controlled fields of Afganistan and Pakistan, and their governments would like to concentrate their efforts on those substances.

I believe that the vast majority of the US pot supply is domestic at this point.

Author: Skybill
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 7:37 pm
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I believe that the vast majority of the US pot supply is domestic at this point.

Ya think? (Serious question) I haven't bought or smoked any in over 20 years, so I have no clue of the source.

I remember Panama Red (also a great song by NRPS!!) Acapulco Gold and Thai sticks are the ones I remember most. Back in the early 70's most of the local stuff didn't hold a candle to the imported stuff!

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 13, 2009 - 7:37 pm
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Absolutely it is. Too risky to do anything else in the current political climate.

Re: Driving.

Buzz driving is drunk driving and it's not ok.

There? Happy?

I am. That's all we need to do.

Author: Vitalogy
Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 12:02 pm
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"Ya think? (Serious question) I haven't bought or smoked any in over 20 years, so I have no clue of the source"

Go to any restaurant there will be several "sources" working there.

Author: Tdanner
Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 6:01 pm
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One of the great truisms of radio over the years has been that "the guy in the mailroom can always score some." Sadly, there are no more guys in the mailroom.... or mailrooms....

yet another victim of downsizing!

Author: Vitalogy
Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 12:05 pm
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I'm sure someone in any sales dept could do the job of the mailroom...

Author: Missing_kskd
Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 12:52 pm
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LOL!!!

Author: Tdanner
Monday, February 16, 2009 - 3:38 pm
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"Marijuana Inc, Inside America" airs tonight (Monday) on CNBC at 8 pm, and Sunday, Feb. 22 at 9 pm.

Author: Justin_timberfake
Monday, February 16, 2009 - 7:22 pm
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I'm sure someone in any sales dept could do the job of the mailroom...

Amen to that, Im guessing there are quite a few people in the sales department that spend their time surfing the latest porno sites. (At work)


Hey Fred, why are you looking at a site called "Big Boozoms"

Fred- "Uhhh potential client of mine!"

Author: Missing_kskd
Monday, February 16, 2009 - 8:01 pm
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That's plausable!

I remember somebody posting up a killer sales gig. They were trying to close a weight loss client. Went to some event, took photos of fat listeners eating pretzels!

Closed it too.

Freaking great stuff!

Given that, I think this could fly!

When times are tough, sales people get a LOT more willing to entertain things. If only I could tell you all what's in our pipe!! Hilarious --and it's engineering related!

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, February 27, 2009 - 3:46 pm
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DEA to halt medical marijuana raids:
Holder confirms states to have final say on use of drug for pain control.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29433708

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 27, 2009 - 6:59 pm
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About time.


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