It's not bad enough that the tax payers fund murdering innocent children here in the US, now we have to fund it world wide.

If those other countries want to allow women to murder their unborn kids, let them fund it.

That's 2 strikes. (1)Turn terrorists loose, now (2)proliferate murdering unborn children.

Keep it up Lord Obama.

2012 can't get here soon enough.

Bill, I encourage you to broadcast this empty hyperbole as loud as you can, so as to encourage Obama's easy re-election in 2012. Or better yet, maybe you can help increase the Democratic majorities even more in 2010.

Andrew, We, the tax payers of the USA, that's you AND me, do not need to fund this in other countries. Period.

Edit add: It's time we started cutting funding for other countries and spend the money here.

You are welcome to your opinion, Bill.

Murder is illegal; abortion is legal. Case closed.

>>Case closed

Not in America where we can make right this modern day Holocaust by reversing Roe...one day hopefully soon for everyone to have a birthday.

Oh God, here comes the old time revival. Its like you cons say when you get one of yours, it's his privilige to do this. Where I don't agree with funding outside of the US, this needed to change for our own people. Now that superhic is gone, this needs to happen. You righties like us to lecture on the importance of the government handing money to Pat Robertson, wellllll back atcha,

It'll never happen with left wing nuts like Lord Obama, Pelosi and the wonder witch in office.

The first shot we'll have at that is in 2012.

Murder is illegal; abortion is legal.

True. But abortion is still murder.

Boo hoo Skybill. The people have spoken. Hopefully you'll enjoy that screw in your butt for at least 4 years.

It's not bad enough that the tax payers fund murdering innocent children here in the US, now we have to fund it world wide.


Like the killing of our troops worldwide?



It'll never happen with left wing nuts like Lord Obama, Pelosi and the wonder witch in office.


We just got rid of God DUHbya and the Devil DICKster so what's your point?

Obama will not be elected a second term , I doubt he makes it thru his first alive.

Obama will not be elected a second term , I doubt he makes it thru his first alive.

And who in God's name is going to win for the weary EXTREME RIGHT nutbags? McSame? PAINlin? Jeb? Who? If Obama doesn't make it alive then YOU have Biden and Pelosi as Vice... YOUR GUNa love that....

Dr. - Nice cheerie post.

However you do make a point: Obama is literally putting his life on the line for his country. That gets my respect.

...I doubt he makes it thru his first alive.

I certainly don't wish that on him. He has 2 children and I wouldn't wish them to be fatherless. Not at all.

Biden as Pres and Pelosi as VP would be MUCH worse than Lord Obama. Pelosi is as bad as or worse than the wonder witch.

I'll just let him run his course and hope that in 2012 the people of the US wake up and are smarter than they were in 2008.

It won't stop me from bitching about him like the libs did about Bush though. Although I guess to them saying anything bad about their savoir is taboo.

I can see it now. As soon as someone says anything bad about lord Obama they will be called a racist.

Hey I dont care if he lives or not, I just think that someone will take a shot at him.

He was wearing a bullet proof suit last tuesday afterall. They know people want him dead.

Skybill

You can bitch all you want about Obama. Lord knows the past 8 years have been the darkest since I've been a registered voter.

I believe Obama's victory was a mandate. A read through his book "The Audacity of Hope" and you realize just how smart and well organized he is.

What I think is hard for you to realize is how a leader actually looks and responds to situations. Bush showed no leadership, no innovative or creative thinking. His arrogance was only surpassed by Cheney's.

But you don't see that. You don't even know what a real leader looks like now that we actually have one. We'll just call this your learning curve.

Biden as Pres and Pelosi as VP would be MUCH worse than Lord Obama.

Well... We (barely) lived through DUHbya and the DICKster so I'm sure we could make it through Biden and Pelosi....


What I think is hard for you to realize is how a leader actually looks and responds to situations. Bush showed no leadership, no innovative or creative thinking. His arrogance was only surpassed by Cheney's.


VERY well said Chris....



They know people want him dead.

And nobody felt that about DUHbya?

Well, we saw how the GOP does things.

Now it's time to see how the Democrats do things.

As long as the matter of abortion is settled law, we really have no business trying to make others choices for them. That's where Obama is at, and it's the right position to take.

Heck, my tax dollars help fund whacko religious groups hell bent on making others choices for them. I see that as just as ugly as some of you seeing your tax dollars associated with an abortion.

We can get along.

Perhaps it's now time to focus just a bit more directly on prevention, alternatives and education.

That will do the cause more good than any amount of bitching about "how it should be" will.

And, doing so means having the support of basically everybody, as NOBODY likes abortion. In fact, the only lack of support you have are those people who somehow believe all or nothing is the right path.

So, we made that choice. Let the world burn, so long as we take that absolute stand against abortion. That didn't pass the will of the people.

Meaning, it's over.

The sooner we come to acceptance on that, the better.

Why?

Because we then can work together on education, alternatives and prevention, just like we should have been this entire time.

Had this been done, the size of the problem would be a mere fraction of what it is today.

Just how much more ground is acceptable to lose?

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/donate/donate-89.htm

http://www.adoptuskids.org/
(and that's just what my wife and I did, just so everybody knows I'm not just blowing smoke here)

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/sexeducation.htm
(real education people, not just dogma, is the only thing that works)

If we work together on good social norms (and waiting until marriage is a perfectly acceptable norm to set, given it's done with full education, not just fear based education), make resources available to people, and support the many alternatives, we will see the problem of abortion reduced to a small fraction of what it is today, in a span of 10 years.

We wasted 8 on the idea that somehow letting people hurt and suffer in nearly every other aspect of their lives might see a solution.

It didn't. Problem is actually worse!

It's time to think about more than making your own self feel good about this issue. It's time to consider that perhaps others just might have a choice to make, and that it is ABSOLUTELY THEIR choice to make.

And making that choice, in a way that promotes life is way easier when the many other elements of our lives are in better shape than they are today.

That young woman might have that child, if she could get health care for it, stood a chance at a living wage so as to not be dependent on a potentially dead beat, abusive father to help support it, and was not stigmatized for the whole affair.

Oh, and this guy continues to be a decent voice from the religious point of view.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wallis/president-obamas-call-for_b_160440.html

He gets it perfectly.

Missing....Jim Wallis is truly one of the more balanced religious leaders we have. I dare say he is one our contemporary prophets.

Absolutely he is. Wish that were the norm.

>>Jim Wallis is truly one of the more balanced religious leaders we have

if you call the choice of death "balanced". Wallis is not an "excepted voice" in the pro-life community.

You would carry a bit more authority, if you bothered to at least use the right word for the job.

It's good that he's not ACCEPTED in the pro-life community. Bet it just chaps your ass to know he reads the same Bible you do, yet some how finds a way to restrain himself from trying to make choices for other people.

I personally like those kinds of people! They remind me every day that faith isn't linked to these whack-job, nut-bag, extreme wedge issues that have wrecked the nation.

If it were not for people like Wallis, it would be quite easy to make the case that religion is simply a waste of time. Net loss. Harmful.

You should go and thank the guy for that.

--->And I'm completely serious!

No getting around it though. Everybody is pro-life Broadway! I don't know of anyone that wants even a single abortion to happen.

The pro-life community you speak of, isn't the same one I know. The one I am a member of wants to eliminate the problem of abortion, via any means possible. We value the lives that are living right now too! And that's the rub, isn't it?

If we just ignore the rights of the living, then it's really, really easy to justify all kinds of stupid and violent shit, isn't it? Just pretend that it's all the same. Coupla cells, or even the chance of a coupla cells is all it takes to just treat women like animals!

Your community would trade thousands of those lives living right now, every day, just to get your way. The kicker is I can't even sort out what that is!

LOL!!!

So, ban abortions. Ok fine. What's your position on real sex education then? How about contraceptives?

Do you support a tax to help fund the growth of those kids, or to at least empower their parents?

And dammit, if nothing else matters to you, and you are gonna go off the deep end and just get selfish as hell, how come you are not out there saving the blastocysts?

Where are the pro-lifers when the petri dishes are getting flushed or burned? How come you are not there doing every thing you can for those mothers constrained by your ideology?

Oh yeah. You say it's "their fault" for "not thinking it through". And the raped ones?

What's the deal there? They should have been doing exercises to hold their legs together?

They didn't pay enough attention, is that it? Their fault for looking good maybe? Or is it just they are the lesser among us? You tell me.

I look at the women in my life, and I don't see animals. I see people, same as you and me. I see ugly choices and a bunch of people, who will never face them, burning things, killing people, chanting, and god knows what else trying to make their choices for them!

You know my wife and daughters are basically pissed about that. Can't say as I blame them. At least they know in my home, it's a non issue. Their call, and my support for it. I trust them. If they say they HAVE TO, then they HAVE TO. It's that simple. Nobody WANTS to, so it defaults to just HAVE to.

Anyway, you know all of this. I know you don't care, because somehow you've rationalized the idea that it's ok to make choices for others because somebody you identify with said God said so.

Are people like Wallis listening to the "wrong" "God", or is it they just are weak, or corrupt, or just beneath you quality, full on, let the world burn if you have to, pro-lifers?

Can you explain all of that to me? I'm just a bit confused. It all seems a bit grey, from where I stand.

Why even bother posting that? Are you really that afraid that somebody might see Wallis and think that maybe, just maybe, it's not ok to legislate morality for others?

Gotta make sure the "community" is represented?

If so, can't blame you for that! Hell, you guys took it in the sack hard! Double big time!

After a while, doesn't that just suck? It's gotta hurt to know you gave it your absolute all. Tolerated and supported unjust war, torture, more corruption and GAY SEX SCANDALS than I've ever seen in the Republican party!

Turned a blind eye toward that because they might pick your kind of judge. You know, that activist kind that's gonna write your law? Yeah, that kind.

And these clowns leading you around by your "nothing else matters issue" are actually saying you took it in the sack, hard, TWICE for not being gung-ho enough! They want you to basically double down from here! (gotta admit, that takes a pair)

Boy, it would suck for me. I have to tell you Broadway, when I post up losing positions, repeatedly, something inside just doesn't feel right. Having to endure that, and turn a blind eye toward the nation being ruined and war would just drive me nuts! Couldn't sleep. Honest!

How do you do it?

Oh yeah, you've got your support group to pick you up once a week and tell you it's all really ok! Damn, that's probably WELL worth what you toss in the plate each week. Depending on the need, drugs might be cheaper, just saying!

Enjoy that tomorrow! After this week, you probably need it big.

(ice helps!)

You know I thought about this a bit Broadway.

Truth is, you are a caring guy! I understand that. It's all about you wanting to make sure others don't make mistakes, right?

Deep down, you know I'm right on this. In the end, we each choose, nobody else chooses for us. Try as you might, and I believe you do try really hard, people will do what they will and that's just how it is.

Acceptance of this is the first of many steps toward getting over your control issues, BTW. It's tough, but you can do it. Many people have!

That leaves self-acceptance. Could be a problem, depending on your buy in. If you've really gone whole hog on the dogma, how will you ever face those other people?

Just a life tip from me to you:

If you have self-acceptance, then you don't really need them for that! It's a self-defeating cycle man! The more you feed it, the more of a grip it has on you, until...

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

This is where you are Broadway! Look around man!

Other things do matter. If they didn't, we would not have seen the election we did!

Economy matters. Health care matters! Lots of every day things matter!

Frankly, you and people like you are expensive people! We've paid a huge price for the 23 percenters. It's been an ugly time, and nobody but the 23 percenters are happy about it.

You don't want to be a 23 percenter right? All they are gonna do is bitch, while the rest of us put the house back in order. Lamers.

Sign up on the winning team! It's a very big tent, and we are cool. There is lots to do, including ongoing work on the problem of abortion. You will feel right at home. Probably sleep better too.

Just think about it.