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World Vision Decision and Repercussions

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  • Started 6 years ago by Chris_taylor
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  1. Chris_taylor
    Member

    This has been a hot news item within the faith community for the past couple of days. Our family sponsored a child for many years through World Vision. I was saddened by, but not entirely surprised, by the response from the conservative evangelical community pulling its support to World Vision effectively using their money, and the lives of the children they sponsor, hostage.

    However, through all the maze of information being presented the past couple of days, the article I've linked really speaks to where I'm coming from.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2014/03/27/lets-talk-about-what-happened-yesterday-at-world-vision/

    Posted on March 27, 2014 - 05:33 PM #
  2. missing_kskd
    Member

    The bigots who have defined themselves in terms of their faith somehow justifying this very ugly discrimination won't go easy.

    IMHO, the author has it all spot on regarding young believers. They need to believe in something they can feel good about and they are connected to on another on a scale and in ways the hard line old guard is nearly blind to.

    Which is precisely why gay issues continue to resolve fairly quickly as far as these things go. Everybody knows somebody who is gay, and being that connected means knowing basic human realities in ways the old guard is also blind to.

    As more of the old guard dies off, these things will fizzle out, leaving small pockets of real asses here and there largely ignorable.

    But today, they are still numerous and apparently willing to screw kids over so they can feel just that much more pure.

    Posted on March 27, 2014 - 06:07 PM #
  3. Chris_taylor
    Member

    I recently left my church for similar reasons.

    Not an easy decision after being a member for over 30 years with loads of people I care about. Some members are contemplating the same decision. Over the years, I had gotten more and more uncomfortable with the move from a more ecumenical to evangelical theology. About a month ago I had my flashpoint moment where the decision became clear.

    I've been meeting with different members of the church who got an email from me letting them know of my decision. Even to some who hold a different doctrinal view than I do. To their credit, they all supported my decision, even though they are saddened by my departure.

    I had a positive meeting with the pastor this morning. And though we have differences, it was a civil discourse where we left each other by way of a hug.

    It's kind of a weird space I'm in currently, as far as where and what I want to do next. I'm taking a break for awhile. It's a good space for me at this time.

    Posted on March 27, 2014 - 06:34 PM #
  4. Vitalogy
    Member

    You should take a permanent break. :)

    As a regular dude, I just don't get the issue people have with gays. Get over it!

    Posted on March 27, 2014 - 07:58 PM #
  5. Broadway
    Member

    >>they are saddened by my departure
    The issue bringing separation. Not a good thing. Why does it have to be? Who/what is bringing it? Just some thoughts...

    Posted on March 27, 2014 - 08:05 PM #
  6. Chris_taylor
    Member

    Vita-

    I don't expect you to understand - and that's not a put down. You've been more than clear about your position concerning God, church and people of faith. I don't hold any of that against you. But I will say, you have shown some ignorance when it comes to understanding those of us who take our faith seriously.

    My faith is not shaken by this. As a matter of fact, I'm quite open to many other possibilities. I do know one thing, I will stay away from the conservative evangelical churches or traditions...even though I have many friends who hold to those viewpoints. I'm sorry that this one issue has torn church's and faith based organizations, like World Vision, to sacrifice their integrity.

    The pastor and I have one thing in common, we both have lesbian sisters, who have been in loving relationships for many years. We both adore and love our sisters. He said he would love to come to the conclusion I have. But after reading many books on the subject over the past 20 years, he simply hasn't been convinced. I told him, I too, have read many books, talked with my sister in depth and her partner and others in the gay and lesbian community, as well as other pastors and clergy, but have come to a different conclusion.

    Broadway- This summer my church's denomination will be voting on how to proceed with the possible ordination of gays and lesbians. They will also vote on how they want to frame marriage. No matter what decision comes down, people will leave the church based on that vote. But others, will also come to some of those church's as well. It's always been the nature of beast.

    So my departure is about not compromising my own integrity and core values. My former pastor actually agreed with me and then asked about what my future with the church would be. That's when I told him I'm taking a break. But, it is a break from what I had been doing. I'm still doing some church related things for this Easter season, just not at my church.

    Posted on March 27, 2014 - 11:24 PM #
  7. Amus
    Member

    Chris,

    I feel for you.

    Your situation is similar to what I faced several years ago, although I'm sure your situation is more difficult since your roots are far deeper than mine ever were.

    Is it any wonder church attendance in this country continues to be in decline?

    Let there be no doubt, the actions of the evangelical community in this situation is terrorism pure and simple, holding the lives of innocent children as hostages to their dogma.

    (I started to use the phrase "Christian terrorism" but decided to call these people Christian is a bastardization of the term.)

    Posted on March 28, 2014 - 07:15 AM #
  8. Broadway
    Member

    >>actions of the evangelical community in this situation is terrorism pure and simple, holding the lives of innocent children as hostages to their dogma.
    Wow, just redefined "terrorism" here.
    >>Is it any wonder church attendance in this country continues to be in decline?
    Believe me, it's not because of the gay marriage issue. It's because God is just not important/relevant in many peoples lives.

    Posted on March 28, 2014 - 09:23 AM #
  9. Amus
    Member

    "Wow, just redefined "terrorism" here."

    Do we not call it terrorism when it's perpetrated by (people who call themselves) Christians?

    Posted on March 28, 2014 - 09:28 AM #
  10. duxrule
    Member

    ">>Is it any wonder church attendance in this country continues to be in decline?
    Believe me, it's not because of the gay marriage issue. It's because God is just not important/relevant in many peoples lives."

    So, explain how institutional discrimination against a certain segment of "God's Children" helps to increase the importance or relevance of the church for people of today? It seems to me that the specific intent is to exclude, not include.

    Posted on March 28, 2014 - 09:55 AM #