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Rick Perry signs pledge on Anti-gay marriage Constitutional amendment

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  • Started 8 years ago by Brianl
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  1. fairandbalanced
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    Talk about "single-issue" voters. If it's extreme to prioritize voting because of abortion, how much more extreme is it to do so over same-sex marriage, since it comparatively affects the rigts of so few people, and with much less impact. I think if I had my choice between not having the right to marry and not having the right to live or even be considered of having any worth at all, I would choose the former.

    The "bigots" who oppose same-sex marriage do so because of a desire to protect an institution, not because they are "anti-gay." But why do the same people who desire these special rights scream so loudly to deny the most basic right of 1,000,000 human beings every year? Apparently they care only about the rights of those who can vote. If the Republicans are appealing to the "bigots," I think a case could be made the Democrats are appealing to the "baby-killers," but I think it's not very polite to say either, since it denies the intention behind the position. See how that works? (No, I don't think so).

    But since the enconomy is a horror, I think neither social issue will be on the top of the list for most voters.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 08:14 AM #
  2. fairandbalanced
    Blocked

    "Jesus was very clear, in my mind, that those who follow Him need to keep the church (the body of Christ) separate from the State... I wonder why those who profess to follow Him want to keep mixing the two?"

    Jesus was clear "in your mind" about that, but where else was he clear about it?

    Christians have a right and a duty to have their voices heard and to positively influence legislation.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 08:19 AM #
  3. Brianl
    Member

    "The "bigots" who oppose same-sex marriage do so because of a desire to protect an institution, not because they are "anti-gay." But why do the same people who desire these special rights scream so loudly to deny the most basic right of 1,000,000 human beings every year? Apparently they care only about the rights of those who can vote. If the Republicans are appealing to the "bigots," I think a case could be made the Democrats are appealing to the "baby-killers," but I think it's not very polite to say either, since it denies the intention behind the position. See how that works? (No, I don't think so)."

    There you go, sullying yet another thread with the Big A. Your wish is to take away the basic SECULAR rights of Americans with your stance on that, your stance on gay marriage and gay rights, all under the guise of Catholicism.

    The theocracy and oppression you preach is the EXACT REASON for the separation of church and state.

    "If it's extreme to prioritize voting because of abortion, how much more extreme is it to do so over same-sex marriage, since it comparatively affects the rigts of so few people, and with much less impact."

    Roughly 10% of the population is gay. That means about 30 million Americans. That's not a "few" people, nor is the impact small. Your arithmetic skills need some work.

    All you care about is the one million unborn. You prove, time and again, that you just don't give a fuck about them once they're out of the womb. Especially anyone different than you.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 08:52 AM #
  4. Brianl
    Member

    "Christians have a right and a duty to have their voices heard and to positively influence legislation."

    Okay, what about the rights of Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Buddhists? Satanists? Or how about athiests? Do they carry the same rights and duties in your eyes to have "their voices heard and to positively influence legislation"??

    EVERYONE HAS THE SAME RIGHTS. Talk about "special rights" as you propose the GLBT community is after!

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 08:54 AM #
  5. missing_kskd
    Member

    Looks like a case of gay envy to me. The big A isn't getting the attention it needs.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 08:59 AM #
  6. Andrew
    Member

    F&B: The "bigots" who oppose same-sex marriage do so because of a desire to protect an institution, not because they are "anti-gay."

    There are probably plenty of "anti-gay" bigots who oppose same-sex marriage. But I assume many people who oppose same-sex marriage are not necessarily "anti-gay." These opposers simply don't want their kids to "turn out gay" (as if that were a choice) and not get married and give them grandkids. And in their belief system, the laws of the state must be obeyed and respected; if gay marriage becomes legal then they have trouble teaching their kids that gay marriage isn't OK.

    I think it's perfectly normal and natural for parents to want grandkids, and you have to admit that a society that tolerates gay and lesbian relationships probably reduces the chance of parents having grandkids. Perversely, it might seem better for some parents who want grandkids for their gay kids to deny their feelings and seek straight marriage that produces children, even if their gay kids are miserable.

    If you believe in a free society, though, you can't justify laws against gay marriage - or laws that favor straight-marriage only. People shouldn't rely on the law as an example to teach their children how to live.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 09:05 AM #
  7. duxrule
    Member

    "The "bigots" who oppose same-sex marriage do so because of a desire to protect an institution, not because they are "anti-gay.""

    Slavery was an "institution," too. As were the Jim Crow laws, as was the Constitution prior to the 19th Amendment. Right-thinking Americans saw the need to change these "institutions" because it was the correct thing to do.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 01:05 PM #
  8. NoParty
    Member

    I think a case could be made the Democrats are appealing to the "baby-killers

    BULLSHIT!!!

    Your abortion bullshit again!

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 02:27 PM #
  9. duxrule
    Member

    Here's the opinion of one "Christian" about gay marriage, Irene, and God's wrath...

    God Prepares to Strike New York with Hurricane Irene, Gay Marriage Laws to Blame

    "...You little sparkly lawmakers of New York have been warned to take it all back. You were warned that gay marraige is anti-America. Only days ago, God gave you a 5.9 shake to get your atttention. Instead of realizing it was a sign from your God, you laugh and continue to revel in sin, making light of that display of God’s power.

    Well now, we see God has swirled his finger and the steam from his nose has brewed a new tropical storm! The streets of your homo-friendly state will be cleansed with the breath of the Almight! Gays will flail all around, their improper skirts blown skyward and revealing their musty, disease ridden parts. Have you betrayed your nation’s Constitution just so they can rub all that flabby diseased flesh all on each other? Is that really worth it, New York."

    http://christwire.org/2011/08/god-prepares-to-strike-new-york-with-hurricane-irene-gay-marriage-laws-to-blame/

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 03:32 PM #
  10. skeptical
    Member

    Here's the thing, validity of this fella's thinking is no better or worse than anyone else's. God isn't telling.

    Moral: Keep your thoughts on God between you and Him/Her/It. It'll be a better world for it.

    Posted on August 27, 2011 - 07:26 PM #