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Rick Perry signs pledge on Anti-gay marriage Constitutional amendment

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  • Started 8 years ago by Brianl
  • Latest reply from Andy_brown

  1. missing_kskd

    There isn't one. Bigotry isn't ok. Really simple.

    This is why it's called a wedge issue. Some of them do have options, this one really doesn't. So, it's speak or be spoken for, and we sort it all out at the ballot box, and we sort it again and again.

    Isn't it nice getting your own treatment F&B? That is exactly what the right does on most everything. Time to step up, rub some faces in the ugly and see where it all shakes out.

    I came to that realization after Obama was elected, and the party line was, "make him fail", and "hope he fails", despite that President bending over double backward to deal on issues. After that performance, fuck 'em. It's clear now things come to a matter of clarity and will.

    Not all things, mind you, but this is one of those things for sure.

    Edit: And before I leave for the night, know I NEVER said there would be compromise on this. Racism, bigotry and theocracy are not ok. Ever.

    Posted on August 30, 2011 - 10:33 PM #
  2. Andy_brown

    Catholic Church Puts Bigotry Ahead of Children

    More and more countries are recognizing the rights of gays and lesbians. Brazil is the latest country to be added to the list.

    Brazil became the largest nation in South America to open the door to same-sex unions on May 6 when the nation’s supreme court ruled that gay and lesbian couples are eligible under the constitution for most, if not all, of the same rights as heterosexual married couples.

    They are the largest country in the world to be considered a Roman Catholic state. And still they manage to stand up to Rome. In fact, for many years, abortion to save the mother’s life, and in cases of rape and incest have been legal.

    The United States is one of the last countries in the developed world to recognize the rights of gays and lesbians, largely due to the Christian influence. In the state of Illinois, the RC church is pushing back with it’s considerable clout and threatening to stop delivering adoption services through its Catholic Charities if they are forced to include adoptions to gay and lesbian couples.

    Catholic Charities has more than 3,000 children in its foster care and adoption agencies, which represents about 20 percent of all such services in the state, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. The state pays the organization about $30 million a year for these services.

    They are currently backing a law that would enable them to transfer these adoptions to other organizations, without fear of lawsuits or loss of state moneys.

    “There’s a real possibility that we will be forced out of foster care and adoption,” said Bob Gilligan, executive director of the Catholic Conference of Illinois.

    Equality activists object to the assertion that Catholic groups might be “forced” out. They said Catholic adoption programs can choose to include everyone or they can choose to cut ties with state government.

    They are not being ‘forced’ out of providing these services. They are being ‘forced’ to provide services to all citizens when they receive taxpayers money for those services. They want to use a different standard than the state has mandated to place these children, and suffer no consequences. In fact, the consequences fall on the children who have fewer options for placement in loving homes.

    This stance has absolutely nothing to do with providing the best possible life for children and everything to do with ensuring the continuity of their bigoted teachings.

    The Roman Catholic Church has long since lost any credibility as a source of moral teachings, they just haven’t caught on to that yet.

    Posted on August 30, 2011 - 10:38 PM #
  3. fairandbalanced

    This is England, but will likely be the same here. Gay marriage is much more than gay marriage. It compromises more than just the institution of marriage:

    "LONDON, England (Catholic Online) -"Catholic Care" is a wonderful outreach of the Catholic Church operating primarily in the Diocese of Leeds. They were, in their own words, "the longest established adoption agency in the area. The Catholic Church in Leeds has cared for children disadvantaged by separation from their birth parents since 1865. We have been directly involved in placing children for adoption since 1926 when the first Adoption Act made it legally possible to adopt children."

    Now, these wonderful people can no longer even place needy children for adoption. Why? Because they refused to compromise with the new Caesar - an intolerant secularist governmental agency which insists that they deny their deeply held convictions. Those convictions are rooted in the Natural Law and based upon a concern for the best interest of children. And, yes, they are informed by their Catholic Faith. Is that a crime? It may soon become one! They want to continue their charitable work for the true common good but they are being denied that opportunity. Why? They simply refused to offer the sacrifice to the emperor and they are suffering the consequences.

    They were the last Catholic Adoption Agency left standing in the wake of the revolutionary tidal wave unleashed by the "Equality Act Sexual Orientation Regulations" which were passed in 2007. Eleven other Catholic agencies either closed down or severed their ties with the Catholic Church. In other words, either submit to Caesar or close your doors. "

    Posted on August 30, 2011 - 10:42 PM #
  4. missing_kskd

    Hmmm.. "severed ties"

    That's case number, 4 in my post above, one I considered the most likely scenario.


    Posted on August 30, 2011 - 10:46 PM #
  5. fairandbalanced

    "And before I leave for the night, know I NEVER said there would be compromise on this. Racism, bigotry and theocracy are not ok. Ever."

    You mentioned something about my side not being willing to compromise, which implied to me that there is some room for compromise. But from your above statement I take it that you mean that compromise means those who oppose same-sex unions must capitulate to your side.

    BTW, you have never defined your terms. What do racism, bigotry and theocracy mean? And why should you be the one who gets to define and apply these terms?

    Killing innocent children is never ok. Get my point? Probably not.

    Posted on August 30, 2011 - 10:52 PM #
  6. Andy_brown

    "Killing innocent children is never ok."

    Abortion is not killing and does not involve children.

    Playing fast and loose with the terminology will not ever score you points.
    Besides, the Catholic stand on abortion rights seems to overlook the
    lack of sanctity within The Church. After all, is it OK to rape and molest
    real children, you know, the ones that were born and grew up.

    Get my point? Probably not.

    Posted on August 30, 2011 - 10:57 PM #