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  1. Andy_brown
    Member

    More bad news, Herb. This decision followed recent legal victories across the South for abortion-rights advocates, as federal courts have blocked measures that would have forced the closing of the only abortion clinic in Mississippi and three of five in Alabama. And it reflects the still-charged legal and political environment surrounding abortion in the face of restrictions enacted by Republican-led legislatures across the nation in recent years.

    Yes, Herb, you can look forward to more losses as evidenced by these recent ones. Funny how you think you are in favor of human rights, but the court continues to protect the rights of women, the rights of the mother, and that's the way it's going to remain.

    A federal judge (appointed by Dubya) in Austin, Tex., blocked a stringent new rule on Friday that would have forced more than half of the state’s remaining abortion clinics to close, the latest in a string of court decisions that have at least temporarily kept abortion clinics across the South from being shuttered.

    The Texas rule, requiring all abortion clinics to meet the building, equipment and staffing standards of hospital-style surgery centers, had been set to take effect on Monday. But in his opinion, Judge Lee Yeakel of the United States District Court in Austin said the mandate placed unjustified obstacles on women’s access to abortion without providing significant medical benefits.

    The rule “is unconstitutional because it imposes an undue burden on the right of women throughout Texas to seek a pre-viability abortion,” he wrote.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/30/us/politics/federal-judge-strikes-down-restrictive-texas-abortion-law.html

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 12:03 AM #
  2. skeptical
    Member

    They're getting a kicking in Texas by a Bush appointee -- no where near DC! :lol:

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 01:58 AM #
  3. jerry1949
    Member

    The pro-lifers aren't the losers. The losers are those unjustly killed. It is not now and never was about "control" but about stopping the injustice.

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 07:21 AM #
  4. Andrew
    Member

    I think I sold my coathanger futures too early...

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 09:39 AM #
  5. Broadway
    Member

    >>I think I sold my coathanger futures too early
    What part of the word "death" and "finality" don't you understand?

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 10:41 AM #
  6. Andrew
    Member

    Broadway: What part of the word "death" and "finality" don't you understand?

    Coathangers are not ideal for performing abortions - they tend to kill not only a fetus but often the pregnant woman or at least maim her. If Texas really is able to get this law re-instated, then maybe my coathanger futures will be worth more, because there will be a lot more coathanger abortions in Texas.

    Do you anti-choicers really think that if we make abortion illegal again women will stop getting abortions?

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 11:10 AM #
  7. Andy_brown
    Member

    Truth is, Broadway, the bible thumpers and the pro control anti abortionists are the ones dealing death.

    Beatriz, a 22-year old Salvadoran woman who is identified in the press only by her first name, is dying. She suffers from lupus, a chronic auto-immune disease that causes body’s immune system to destroy its own healthy tissue, and her condition typically worsens when she is pregnant. Since Beatriz is now about 23 weeks pregnant, her doctors say she is at “high risk of death” if she continues to carry the fetus — which has no chance of surviving, because several ultrasounds have revealed that it’s missing a big part of its brain and skull. If the deeply conservative Salvadoran government has its way, however, neither Beatriz nor her baby will survive.
    In El Salvador, abortion is illegal under all circumstances — without even a narrow medical exception to save the woman’s life — and punishable by up to 30 years in prison. So even though medical professionals agree that an abortion is necessary to save Beatriz’s life, they can’t actually administer the procedure because they’re too afraid of the legal consequences in the Catholic-dominated country.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/13/2001191/beatriz-abortion-el-salvador/

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 11:49 AM #
  8. jerry1949
    Member

    Over 3,000 abortions per day. These are deaths. It's legal, but not "safe and rare." Hardly rare at that rate, and never safe for the embryo or fetus.

    "Anti-choirers." You're playing word games Andrew and not acknowledging the motivation for being pro-life. Whether you agree or not, you could at least make an attempt to understand the motive, and from there make a persuasive argument that nothing of any moral worth is being killed or that the mother has a right to kill her child in the womb.

    I'd like to be pro-choice too. That's the easy position to take. But when I see the pictures of the dissected embryos and fetuses I can only recoil in horror and say, "Oh my God, how can this ever be a viable choice and how can something so grotesque be legal?"

    Ideally, there wouldn't need to be laws and no mother would ever want abort. But the law and our culture teaches women that the taking of a life in the womb is acceptable and even noble.

    Perhaps pro-lifers will never win this, which is not the goal anyway, but to save the babies, but their obnoxious presence and pushing for these laws at least will cause the thoughtful to do some thinking and possibly choose not to abort, in spite of the hardship and inconvenience.

    BTW the comeback for "anti-choice" would be "anti-life" but I'm not going to go there. In a civil debate or discussion, the accepted terms will be used such as "pro-life" and "pro-choice."

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 12:39 PM #
  9. Broadway
    Member

    jerry, well stated...we need more birthdays--- :D

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 12:54 PM #
  10. Andy_brown
    Member

    "That's the easy position to take."

    No, it's the more difficult choice to take. But when the choice is between the life of the mother and the continuing viability of the yet to be born, that choice should be the mothers, not yours. Every post born human has greater rights then the as yet born. That is the way it should be around the world.

    "Over 3,000 abortions per day. These are deaths."

    No they are not. You can't compare the termination of a pregnancy with a death. That is just wrong no matter how you try and rationalize it away.

    "But the law and our culture teaches women that the taking of a life in the womb is acceptable and even noble."

    That's total bullshit. The law allows women to control their own bodies. You would be hard pressed to show any credible evidence otherwise.

    "Whether you agree or not, you could at least make an attempt to understand the motive"

    We understand the motive quite clearly. Control over women and their reproductive choices. Control over women and their health choices. Control over women. Clear as a bell.

    "when I see the pictures of the dissected embryos and fetuses I can only recoil in horror and say, "Oh my God, how can this ever be a viable choice "

    No more grotesque than a cancerous tumor. So you're saying we should just leave those inside of cancer patients as well?

    "pro-lifers will never win this"

    That's the only part of your post, ace, that has any credibility.

    Posted on August 30, 2014 - 01:18 PM #