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PC Gone Too Far

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  1. Skybill9
    Member

    This young man deserves a standing ovation.

    The school district folks that made him take the flag off his bike should be fired.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbM98JqWs4

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/california-school-boy-ordered-to-remove-u-s-flag-from-bike

    But wait, the boy triumphs after all!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U2hB-Pz4zs&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.kcra.com/r/25777980/detail.html

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 02:20 AM #
  2. Listener_Pete
    Member

    Typical conservative deception :evil:

    http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2010/11/19/opinion/srv0000010015682.txt

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 10:27 AM #
  3. So in situations like this, I'm curious about Skybill's take on this update. Does Pete's post make any difference to you Skybill? Do you still feel the same amount of outrage? Or does this bit of additional reporting do nothing to change your mind about the situation?

    I'm not looking to shame you Skybill. But sometimes I get the feeling that conservatives don't really care about the circumstances in a case like this.

    At the very least can you see why I might be frustrated if you were to dig in your heels and say " I do not care. I want blood! " ?

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 10:42 AM #
  4. Vitalogy
    Member

    Of course if a student was doing the exact same thing with a Mexican flag, that wouldn't be okay, right?

    Bottom line, this kid was causing a disruption as school, and the primary focus of a school is to make sure kids are safe and learn free of disruptions.

    This is no different than a school saying you can't wear red or blue bandannas or any other type of garb that may cause issues at school.

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 11:01 AM #
  5. Notalent
    Member

    Garb such as a Burkah?? There would be hell to pay if they tried banning those.

    The Mexican flag would probably have been cool. They would have been seen as racist if they hassled the kid for that.

    found this online recently:

    "There is an annual contest at the University of Arkansas calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.

    This year's term was: "Political Correctness." The winner wrote:

    Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 11:17 AM #
  6. Skybill9
    Member

    CJ, Lets look at the article that Pete posted a little closer. I'll cut and paste then respond.

    From the top of the page: "Opinion” Self explanatory.

    "The story starts back in May, or at least that's when the story starts as far as anyone outside of the northern California town Cody lives in can tell. You see, no one was paying attention on Cinco de Mayo when racial tensions flared up over the display of flags."

    If the Mexicans or anyone else for that matter wants to display a Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo, that's cool. People display Irish flags on St. Patrick's Day. No problem. If "tensions flared up" the GO AFTER THE TROUBLEMAKERS not the people flying the flags in celebration.

    "The decision to ask young Cody to remove the flag was made by someone responsible for campus safety who'd caught wind that other students had threatened to beat him up. Racial tensions related to the flying of flags on Cinco de Mayo had been re-inflamed, and that the campus safety person was concerned for Cody's safety."

    Again, it's not Cody's fault/problem that others have an issue with him flying an AMERICAN FLAG IN AMERICA. If they don't like it they can just deal with it. If they are going to cause a problem the arrest them or suspend them from school. This is AMERICA and EVERY American should proudly display the flag. My flag is up on my house 24 x 7 x 365. And for those worried about flag etiquette, yes, it is lit at night.

    "The superintendent said that he'd spoken to young Cody and assured him that he could fly his flag proudly. He also said that the district had identified the students who'd made the threats, and that he planned to take it up with their parents."

    Good. He should take it up with the Police also so there is a record of it in case something happens outside school hours. A simple report is all that would be required. If it escalates, then the kids that pushed it on need to spend some time in juvy.

    "Some of you, in fact, were no doubt enraged. Well, that is entirely your fault. You see, this isn't just a story of journalistic malpractice (although it certainly enabled by terrible journalism). One is also tempted to put the blame for this on the shoulders of the predictable characters (Rush Limbaugh) who distort and exploit the minor problems of others for their own gain, but that point has been visited so many times that it has worn thin."

    Refer to my first "answer".

    "Rather than pausing half a second to think things through, these digital minutemen grab their squirrel guns and interject themselves, shout loudly and declare victory at the end of the day no matter what. Ironically, many of these people become enraged by the thought of government regulation. We're free men, the line goes, and my business is no one else's.

    That is precisely what happened here. The decision of this unnamed school apparatchik was turned by countless self-appointed guardians of the machine into the most dire threat to American democracy since the red coats torched the White House. Aggrieved patriots of all stripes deluged the school district by phone (as if the district's most pressing business is handling irate phone calls from all corners of the Republic). The superintendent, who'd already reversed the decision of his subordinate, was turned into an anti-American thug. Young Cody was escorted to school by faux outlaw bikers. Their message: No 12-year-old is going to intimidate us from flying the flag."

    Refer to my first "answer" again.

    "... I'll be writing this exact same column, except with different names."

    Probably.

    And finally: "He can be found at http://www.michiganliberal.com"

    Do I really need to elaborate on that?

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 12:30 PM #
  7. Vitalogy
    Member

    So Bill, can I assume that if the student was flying a Mexican flag on his bike, you'd have the same opinion?

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 01:14 PM #
  8. Skybill9
    Member

    Sure. He's free to fly whatever flag he wants. That's the great part about our country.

    If people are upset and threatening him, then they are the ones that need to be dealt with not the kid.

    Posted on November 19, 2010 - 05:02 PM #
  9. edselehr
    Member

    Here's the title on the YouTube video you linked to: "Liberals Force 13 year old Kid to remove American Flag from bike". Yet, the political affiliation of any of the people in the stories isn't mentioned.

    The "reporter" in the Examiner article makes this point: "...young Cody must hide his flag because some see it as racist." No, Cody must hide his flag because racial tensions in the school (from both whites and Latinos) were creating a 'flag war' of sorts, like rival gangs displaying their gang colors. Yes - the American flag can be (and has been) used by some to project an air of superiority over non-white ethnic groups. When used in this manner in a public school setting, I think it's perfectly appropriate to restrict the displaying of any flags in order to maintain order.

    The KCRA link contains the following quote: "State Sen. Jeff Denham, R-Merced, said in a written statement Friday that the school's original decision was 'anti-veteran.'"

    Did the principal of the school give that as the reason for the original ban? I don't think so.

    So, we have a story about "liberals (conjecture)" that are taking away a student's First Amendment rights (which are highly limited on school property - and only apply on school property, he could always fly his flag anywhere else) because they are "anti-veteran" (conjecture).

    I know this kind of "story" is bloody red meat to conservatives like yourself, but do you EVER question the media? Even when they sell you "news" that is nothing of the sort?
    '

    Posted on November 20, 2010 - 04:05 PM #
  10. Notalent
    Member

    Probably about as much as Liberals question their own media when they sell you "news" that is nothing of the sort.

    That goes both ways pal.

    Posted on November 20, 2010 - 06:42 PM #