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  1. duxrule

    But isn't that what the O'Haters want? Isn't he supposed to be "doing something" about ISIS? Or are we just back to the default "whatever Obama does is wrong" setting?

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 09:53 AM #
  2. edselehr

    That's really it, dux. If the Teapublicans want to be taken seriously, they need to get their stories straight about what Obama should do.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 09:55 AM #
  3. Deane Johnson

    duxrule, that's not my position. I think he's got to kick some ISIS ass. He needs to hit them in Syria also.

    I would prefer he avoid boots on the ground, but I think he should keep all options open.

    ISIS is extremely dangerous and we need a full out effort to come as close to wiping them out as we can.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 09:57 AM #
  4. missing_kskd

    Oh, there's Herb, rubbing shit in his hair while telling us we are crazy. I'm not sure I could start my week proper without a good Monday morning laugh.

    Thanks buddy. Appreciated.

    Agreed across the board with edselehr.

    I would qualify that social liberalism is on the rise. There is no question about this given the trends we see in millenials and whatever we are going to call the generation to follow them. (anybody know yet?)

    Liberitarianism is also seeing some momentum, with tech oriented people favoring merit based policies over social justice type policies in noticable numbers, but even they won't go extreme on it, just strongly favoring fair markets, often calling them free markets, with just those qualifiers that make them fair. I'm intrigued by this and enter into discussion eagerly. There are some subtle movements building and I don't understand them well at all yet.

    The primary reason people are not pleased with Obama is he ran on a very Progressive platform, then turned out to be a solid centrist with a desire to cut deals more than establish some real Progressive policy a majority of Americans would easily agree needs to happen.

    Yes, you read that right. A majority would have favored a much larger stimulus. A majority would have loved to see jail time for "too big to fail" banks, seeking to over exploit us with no real risk to themselves. And I could go down the line on basic liberal issue positions and it's largely true.

    The nation trends left on social issues, and has a strong Progressive streak when it comes to economic ones.

    And then there is the Tea Party, consisting of disgruntled Republicans, who can't just stand up and be proud of being Republicans, because Republicans trashed the place, and the brand to the point where getting excited about the same shitty policies required a new name, which is why I generally write "The Stupid Party, who thinks you are stupid" more than I do Republicans, because a whole lot of Republicans aren't even secure enough to call themselves Republicans!!

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 09:57 AM #
  5. missing_kskd

    Regarding ISIS, did you all see how they are being located based on social media use, global mapping services, etc... ? Damn cool.

    One thing I do like is Obama will consider options like this, over just dropping a lot of bombs hoping for a good result. Not all of those efforts make sense, but seeing them attempted does.

    Our efforts also need to be coupled with those of other nations so we don't end up owning more problems than we need to. It's largely agreed we started this shit, and because of that, we own a lot of it, but we don't have to add to it either.

    Obama has been very reasonably aware of that dynamic.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 10:00 AM #
  6. duxrule

    Exactly. Dealing with ISIS (and all radical Islam or other violent religious factions) needs to be a multi-national effort, preferably led by other Muslim nations. Egypt could step up here, for instance. Muslims need to make sure that these other Muslims know that this kind of behavior is unacceptable.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 10:05 AM #
  7. edselehr

    Something that I saw pointed out...

    The threats that ISIS might pose to the U.S. are the exact same threats that every single terrorist group (foreign and domestic) poses every day, and will continue to pose every day. So they're "one plan ticket away from being here"? That's been true of every America-hating group since 9/11, and before.

    What we are seeing is warmongering at its finest, brought to you by Faux News and the so-called "journalists" on the remaining networks.

    And because Ferguson got boring.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 10:13 AM #
  8. Skybill9

    "Deane, there are times to like Obama..."

    Still haven't found one of those yet.

    "preferably led by other Muslim nations."

    I personally don't think that will ever happen...You know, birds of a feather...

    ISIS needs to be exterminated like the vermin they are. If we are the only ones to do it then so be it.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 10:16 AM #
  9. duxrule

    Then don't bitch when the combat units go back in.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 10:16 AM #
  10. edselehr

    "preferably led by other Muslim nations."

    I personally don't think that will ever happen...You know, birds of a feather...

    Can you see the prejudice in that line of thinking, Skybill? That's the same as saying I can't trust any Christians because of those wackos at Westboro Baptist Church.

    Most Muslims in the world are probably pretty pissed off at what ISIS is doing.

    Posted on August 25, 2014 - 10:20 AM #