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  1. Andrew
    Member

    Herb: Gore is a hypocrite. He says one thing and does another.

    Wrong again, Herb.

    Al Gore has advocated changing governmental and corporate policy to reduce CO2 emissions.

    To my knowledge, Gore has never proposed mass voluntary change of behavior as a way to reduce CO2 emissions.

    A reasonable person can understand the difference. Can you?

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 02:04 PM #
  2. HD
    Member

    Judging by his own carbon footprint, Andrew, it's enough that he's spewing carbon all over the place, just like his elitist hypocrite leftist pals. It's clearly do as he says, not as he does.

    Anyone can see that. Can you?

    'So what’s the problem? The problem is that Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar, which receives the bulk of its wealth from fossil fuels. Gore was grilled over this apparent hypocrisy, first by Matt Lauer:

    Lauer challenged him on the fact that he had criticized the influence of fossil fuel money in television, but then got very wealthy selling his network to another network that exists because of fossil fuel money. Al Jazeera had the money to pay Gore $500 million because of fossil fuels. Lauer asked Gore if he saw a contradiction in his position. While Gore said he understands the criticism, he disagrees with it because Al Jazeera is a great network and has won major awards.

    Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t ever recall Gore saying that it was OK to take fossil fuel money in television as long as the network is a good network or is one that has won awards. He is engaging in the logical fallacy of special pleading, which is where someone applies a special exemption to their rules when those rules contradict their actions. For example:

    Al Gore: “You should never run a red light.”

    Me: “But you just ran a red light.”

    Al Gore: “Yes, but I was in a hurry.”

    I can apply the same special pleading to any oil company and justify consuming their oil since they make charitable contributions and invest in renewables.

    Gore was also grilled on Jon Stewart’s Daily Show (one of the only TV programs I regularly watch). Jon was polite with the questions, but he went after Gore several times over the apparent hypocrisy:

    Here is an excerpt of their exchange:

    Jon Stewart: “You had an opportunity to make a statement, probably, about your principles, and some people would feel, and for me as well, I thought it was an odd move. Not because of some of the other things, but because it is backed by fossil fuel money.”

    Al Gore: “I get it. I get it. I get it. But it was an easy choice after doing the diligence on the network itself.”

    Jon Stewart: “Can you see how people at home might think — but he’s asking me in my life to make choices about light bulbs and a cost-benefit analysis for the purpose of sustainability when I just want to see my book. That’s the issue.”

    Al Gore: “I’m very, very comfortable with it. I completely get the criticism, but this was a good choice and the net benefit for the U.S. is going to be very positive.”

    Yes, Al Gore appears to be very comfortable in selling out his principles for a $100 million profit. And at least he “gets” the criticism. He disagrees that it is hypocrisy, apparently on the basis that he doesn’t like the word hypocrisy.

    Stewart highlighted the fact that Gore could have made a statement about his principles, but at the end of the day Gore determined that the cost-benefit analysis benefited him enough to be comfortable with taking fossil fuel money.

    Cost-Benefit — For Whom?

    What Gore doesn’t seem to understand is that this is the same cost-benefit analysis that results in the world’s rising use of fossil fuels. He is like many environmentalists who don’t seem to understand the real reasons we are dependent upon fossil fuels. They would rather blame the fossil fuel companies and their various lobbying and subsidies than blame the real culprit — the desire of consumers to have affordable and reliable energy.

    Poor people across the developing world determine that their contribution to climate change is insignificant relative to the benefit they will receive from introducing heat and electricity into their homes. Every day millions of people around the world determine that the benefit of them filling up with gasoline and driving to work outweighs the cost of their fossil fuel consumption. Everyone — Mr. Gore — can argue that the cost-benefit analysis favors their usage of fossil fuels. People from all walks of life — including staunch environmentalists — use fossil fuels every day and justify it based on the cost-benefit to themselves. Even Bill McKibben once admitted that he was a hypocrite, but like you he rationalized his hypocrisy.

    And that, in a nutshell, is why the world is so dependent (and becoming more dependent) upon fossil fuels. People determine that the benefits of using fossil fuels outweigh the cost. You aren’t special Mr. Gore. You did what others do every day. The only difference is that you have used a bully pulpit for years to urge people to sacrifice and make different choices. Yet when faced with the same cost-benefit analysis, you proved to the world that you are the hypocrite many always believed you to be.

    Al Gore’s “activism” has been a money maker on a tremendous scale. He has made a mint selling indulgences — er, I mean “carbon offsets” — and in some cases even sold them to himself in order to claim that his (very high) carbon footprint was neutral. So while he’s busy taking the high road telling people what to do, he himself not only goes and profits off of that (creates network, sells it) but his profit comes from the very same people/industry he built his reputation on by vilifying and imploring people to avoid.

    I realize that Saint Al can do no wrong in some people’s eyes, and some will (wrongly) conclude that this is a partisan attack. It is nothing of the sort. But I will never attempt to defend Gore again. I also hope to never hear his voice again. It grates on my nerves now, because all I hear now are the ramblings of a hypocritical windbag.'

    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Al-Gores-Hipocrisy-The-Climate-Crusader-Profits-from-Fossil-Fuels.html

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 02:13 PM #
  3. Andrew
    Member

    Again, Herb - how is advocating a change in government and corporate policy to reduce CO2 emissions at odds with one's own carbon footprint? Please explain. It's like those idiots who say, "If you think we should have higher taxes, why don't YOU send more money to the government?" Sorry, it won't work unless we ALL do it - and we won't all do it voluntarily. Same thing with CO2 emissions.

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 02:18 PM #
  4. Deane Johnson
    Member

    But the real issue is that global cooling is setting in and that can be bad just like global warming.

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 02:38 PM #
  5. Andrew
    Member

    No credible scientist is predicting "global cooling" - just this crackpot former Greenpeace founder who now gets paid by the oil companies to spread their propaganda. Actually, the real scientists are predicting both warming AND cooling, depending on where you are on earth. The problem is the climate changing based on man-made activity.

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 03:06 PM #
  6. Deane Johnson
    Member

    Andrew, I suspect you and Al Gore wear the same brand of underwear.

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 03:09 PM #
  7. NoParty
    Member

    Andy said>>>
    No, Herb, he means more like Nixon selling his soul to The Devil.

    We have a winner!!!!!!

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 04:19 PM #
  8. Skybill9
    Member

    "...and all politicians are at times hypocritical."

    Yep, like every time their lips are moving.

    No, wait, that's lying. Sorry, my bad.

    Posted on July 9, 2014 - 04:24 PM #