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Free birth control for teens in St. Louis = lower abortion rates

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  • Started 3 years ago by Andrew
  • Latest reply from missing_kskd

  1. Andrew
    Member

    This should surprise no one but the anti-birth control anti-choice wing of the Republican Party:

    http://www.vox.com/2014/10/2/6891337/st-louis-gave-teens-free-birth-control-and-they-now-have-very-low

    All of those "I hate the government" folks suing over Obamacare's provisions for coverage of birth control apparently aren't really interested in lower abortion rates, I guess - when you come right down to it, hating Obama is just more important to them.

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 10:41 AM #
  2. jerry1949
    Member

    Half of all abortions are performed on women who were on birth control when they became pregnant, so it's not going to eliminate abortions.

    And most who have unintended pregnancies keep their babies.

    What are your (and Obama's) ideas for persuading the pregnant woman who wants to abort to not abort, since you now have some concern and compassion for the fetus and embryo?

    Also note that preventing someone from existing not only prevents him from being killed by an abortion, but also by cancer and traffic accidents.

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 10:53 AM #
  3. Andrew
    Member

    Jerry, you're changing the subject. You have posted in the past that wider access to birth control doesn't reduce the number of abortions. This study, if common sense weren't enough, shows you are 100% wrong.

    If you want fewer abortions, you should be clamoring for offering free birth control to as many women as want it. Not just birth control pills: IUDs for example are much more effective and have fewer side effects.

    I have zero ideas for getting women who have an unwanted pregnancy to continue the pregnancy to term. I don't think it's my business. I would prefer to prevent the unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

    We're never going to eliminate all abortions, just like we're never going to eliminate all crime. Our goal should not be zero abortions. Instead, as Bill Clinton said, we should strive to make abortion safe, legal, and rare.

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 10:58 AM #
  4. Andy_brown
    Member

    As usual, F&B, you only include those facts that support your ridiculous stance on abortions. There are more truths than you like to include in your (literally) half assed analysis. You see, F&B, these unwanted pregnancies lead to a category called unintended births, and the facts about those are chilling. The reason for many of the unfortunate consequences of unintended births is that you right winged morons don't want to help these children out after you coerce and in some states force women to follow through on giving birth. Pro control, misogyny, war on women . . . defined.

    Children whose births were unintended are:

    Greater likelihood of low birth weight, particularly for unwanted pregnancies.[4][15] This may be through increased risk of preterm delivery.[4] In the US, eliminating all unwanted pregnancies would reduce rate of low birth weight by 7% for blacks, and 4% for whites, helping to decrease the large disparity in rates for whites vs. blacks.[4]
    Greater infant mortality.[4][15] If all sexually active couples in the US had routinely used effective contraception in 1980, there would have been 1 million fewer abortions, 340,000 fewer live births that were unintended at conception, 5,000 fewer infant deaths, and the infant mortality rate would have been 10% lower.[4]
    Likely to be less mentally and physically healthy during childhood.[16]
    At higher risk of child abuse and neglect.[4][17]
    Less likely to succeed in school,[18]
    More likely to live in poverty and need public assistance.[18]
    More likely to have delinquent and criminal behavior.[18] (see also Legalized abortion and crime effect)
    Significantly lower test scores[14]
    Less likely to have a close relationship with their mother.[14]
    Unintended pregnancies lead to higher rates of maternal morbidity, and threaten the economic viability of families.[15]

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 11:03 AM #
  5. Vitalogy
    Member

    I've long said hand out free birth control to any woman or man who wants it, and have the government cover 100% of the cost. And I don't say this because I want to reduce abortions (which it would). It would reduce poverty and save the government a ton on future welfare payments.

    I call that a win win.

    So should pro-lifers.

    But they don't.

    That's because they aren't really pro-life. They are pro-control.

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 12:59 PM #
  6. saveitnow
    Member

    Would somebody stop presenting facts, it hurts the fiction.

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 02:57 PM #
  7. missing_kskd
    Member

    Seconded, and agreed.

    Posted on October 3, 2014 - 03:24 PM #