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Everything You've Been Told About Abortion in the "Old, Moral America" is Wrong

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  1. duxrule

    If we're going to talk about abortion in every thread, let's make sure that we're working from the proper historical context.

    Scarlet Letters: Getting the History of Abortion and Contraception Right

    "If recent legislation passed in Arkansas and North Dakota is allowed to stand, it will be harder for women to get an abortion in those states than it was in New England in 1650. Legislators in Little Rock and Bismarck have passed new restrictions that ban abortions according to when a fetal heartbeat is detected, which can occur as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Federal judges have blocked the new restrictions until legal challenges to their constitutionality are settled. But the six-week deadline contrasts starkly with early American abortion law, where the procedure was legal until “quickening”—the first time a mother feels the baby kick, which can happen anywhere from 14 weeks to 26 weeks into pregnancy.

    Abortion was not just legal—it was a safe, condoned, and practiced procedure in colonial America and common enough to appear in the legal and medical records of the period. Official abortion laws did not appear on the books in the United States until 1821, and abortion before quickening did not become illegal until the 1860s. If a woman living in New England in the 17th or 18th centuries wanted an abortion, no legal, social, or religious force would have stopped her."

    Posted on November 23, 2013 - 06:11 AM #
  2. HD

    How appropriate that you bring up the history of abortion, Duxrule:

    "Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?"

    "I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan...I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses...I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered." (Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366)

    "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
    (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

    Posted on November 23, 2013 - 10:49 PM #
  3. missing_kskd

    They are an even larger supplier of basic health needs for both Men and Women. Abortion makes up perhaps 5 percent of the business they do.

    The vast majority of it is preventing abortion.

    Great organization. Now, with contraception being made available through insurance, fewer people will need to use them. That too is a good thing.

    One of the reasons so many minorities use their services goes right to why we got the ACA. Poor people typically do not have health coverage, unless they are really poor.

    Posted on November 23, 2013 - 10:50 PM #
  4. HD
  5. Andrew

    I wouldn't trust an estimate from a wacky pro-life group any more than I'd trust an estimate of Watergate guilt from Richard Nixon.

    Politifact says that Planned Parenthood's abortion revenue is actually more like 13%:

    Posted on November 23, 2013 - 11:05 PM #
  6. missing_kskd

    Well, let's call it 15 percent. Those 15 percent are legal, often necessary and the right of the women who seek them.

    Suck it Herb.

    Posted on November 23, 2013 - 11:17 PM #
  7. duxrule

    Which all has nothing to do with the FACT that abortion was legal in America at its inception, and was CONDONED by the church. Who got it banned? Radical Christians. "In God We Trust" on our money? Radical Christians. "Under God" in the Pledge? Radical Christians. I just want to make it crystal clear that all of this prattling on about America being a "Christian Country" is NOT the way things started out. America's "Christianity" was forced upon us, time after time after time, and continues to be forced upon us today. The American Taliban has been at work for many, many decades.

    Posted on November 24, 2013 - 09:26 AM #
  8. skeptical

    I'd say it's high time we took "God" off our money -- the founding fathers certainly did not request the defacing of our currency in this manner.

    Posted on November 24, 2013 - 04:51 PM #
  9. HD

    Never trust anyone whose money comes from stopping a baby's beating heart.

    If they'll do that, they'll do anything...and lie about it.

    Posted on November 24, 2013 - 09:31 PM #
  10. Andrew

    How many billion dollars did defense contractors make off of killing 100,000+ Iraqi civilians? Surely a whole lot more than made by the people on Planned Parenthood's Board of Directors.

    Posted on November 24, 2013 - 09:37 PM #