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  1. jerry1949
    Member

    It's capitalism which has brought us shorter work weeks and paid vacations. Those things don't come about by decree, but by increased production. There was a time when it was necessary to work Saturdays and longer hours because we didn't have the means to produce enough to justify shorter hours.

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 11:40 AM #
  2. duxrule
    Member

    Horseshit. It was the American labor movement that got us shorter work weeks and paid vacations. If we were still operating under the "capitalism" of 1900, we would all be working 12-16 hour days, at least six days a week, under absymal and unsafe conditions.

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 11:45 AM #
  3. jerry1949
    Member

    A "labor movement" is not necessarily "liberalism."

    But a company can't give what it doesn't have. We have more production because of more automation and hence companies can compete for labor and provide greater pay and benefits.

    Labor movements didn't bring us greater productions capacity. That came from capitalism and freedom to seek profits.

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 11:50 AM #
  4. Andy_brown
    Member

    Nice try, F&B, but as usual you are looking pretty stupid. For example, the 8 hour day is a direct result of a general strike that took place on May 1, 1886. The Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions organized this strike in which 300,000 workers in Canada and the United States took part. As a result, 50,000 striking workers received the 8-hour day, and another 150,000 workers received it without striking. Unfortunately, someone threw a bomb at police officers at a worker rally in Chicago’s Haymarket Square. Four organizers of the rally were hanged.

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 11:53 AM #
  5. Andy_brown
    Member

    "Labor movements didn't bring us greater productions capacity. That came from capitalism and freedom to seek profits."

    Wrong. Totally one sided right wing stupidity. A union contributes to higher productivity by creating conditions that motivate greater employee work effort, either by eliminating practices and conditions that are unfair or establishing terms and conditions that are superior to other firms.

    Another way is to give workers a voice that may facilitate employee involvement in the production process. This can influence the way the work is organized and performed.

    Unions facilitate more credible commitments between the company and employees as well, leading to greater profits which in turn translate to higher wages.

    That's just the highlights.

    You really need to do some research, F&B, instead of shooting from the hip with an obvious lack of being informed.

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 12:06 PM #
  6. missing_kskd
    Member

    lulz

    And that dynamic is precisely why German companies, like Volkswagen, desire to operate with a labor or worker council.

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 12:10 PM #
  7. Amus
    Member

    I saw this chart referenced recently in a Vox.com article.
    I think it speaks volumes.

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/638811/thumbs/o-INCOME-INEQUALITY-UNION-INFLUENCE-570.jpg?4

    Posted on September 3, 2014 - 12:13 PM #