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  1. Deane Johnson

    Things like this certain raise the question as to whether the Obamas get it at all. Talk about bad judgement, which raises the question about whether there is any judgement in the White House about any of the issues facing America.

    I'm sure this thread will quickly degenerate into a discussion of how bad the reporter is who wrote the story.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 08:45 AM #
  2. Andrew

    Yes, the fact that all modern first ladies had a budget for this kind of travel and that Michelle Obama's expenses are not unusual is irrelevant - let's focus only on her and pretend she's being uniquely wasteful, as a Democrat. Because if a Republican first lady has this kind of budget, it wouldn't be a problem.

    You're right, Deane - clearly, the Obamas don't care about America at all - they only care about themselves. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 08:52 AM #
  3. duxrule

    To answer your question, NO, the Obamas don't care about ANYTHING. :roll: Jesus, what a stupid statement.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 08:55 AM #
  4. edselehr

    No, I don't think the Obamas give a flying fig about anything. They only care about themselves and their campaign contributors. Obama would double the deficit if he could. They are the "elite" and the peons that are average Americans should just shut up and accept they are going to spend the tax money they have collected any way they damn please.

    That sound about right, Deane?

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 08:55 AM #
  5. edselehr

    Hey, looks like we're all in agreement on this one! This should be a nice thread.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 08:57 AM #
  6. missing_kskd

    Yes they care. Good grief.

    You know, leaders and their families are expensive. That's just how it is. We cannot expect ordinary consumption, in extraordinary circumstances, particularly given the various issues in play. Anger, hate, etc...

    Those expenses are a non issue. We've bigger fish to fry.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 09:05 AM #
  7. Deane Johnson

    So, it's OK then to waste thousands of taxpayer dollars frivolously at a time the country is in deep economic straits. I knew everyone would leap into the defend the Obamas pool, I was just interested in how it would be justified.

    Care about anything? I'm finding it increasingly difficult to find any indication that they care about anything but themselves and their distorted views.

    Anyone have any evidence to offer to the contrary?

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 09:17 AM #
  8. missing_kskd

    Yes. It is OK.

    The same thing happens in companies all the time. Let me flip this around for some perspective.

    Company CEO wants family time. Family time is valuable time, and a CEO is busy as all get out, increasing the value of that family time considerably.

    CEO decides to bring his family along, on a slightly different schedule to share time with them, or have his kids experience something, or maybe just so that the logistics consolidate into a free day or something.

    Do you honestly think they won't do it? I would.

    The President is more or less on duty at all times. That's expensive. And the President comes with family, and other things people need, and that's expensive too.

    So we deal. That is just part of the cost of doing business, or in this case, running the government.

    The two are really no different in this respect.

    Now, we had a story a while back about that Governor who spent money to avoid a short walk, and it was considered ugly, and it was framed in different ways depending on whether or not people were identifying with his party agenda or not.

    This is no different either. Edit: I personally found that one offensive because it appeared to be very low value. I think that's the case for a lot of these things. Sometimes we see the value, sometimes we don't.

    And Mrs Obama has her own tasks she is doing. It's highly likely the extra travel was necessary to have all that work out. She is the first lady, and is active as she should be. It's not like she sits around playing with the kids.

    Truth is, leaders are elite people, and we put them there and they cost us, and we pay it, because we need leaders.

    End of story.

    I think the choices we would have made are colored by the fact that we have absolutely no idea of the factors that lead to the decisions. We are not those elite people.

    Finally, when you look at the amounts of money, and the reluctance of the GOP to work to pass material reforms to combat the problem, getting all hot and bothered over this makes no sense at all.

    If we actually are worried about "the taxpayers" and their burdens, let's actually discuss that problem, rather than attempt to project this onto it, as if it's contributory, when it's really not and everybody knows it.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 09:26 AM #
  9. Deane Johnson

    Missing, she made the trip to Hawaii separately, and the trip to Martha's Vineyard separately so she could get in to extra vacation time. It wasn't to accommodate her busy schedule. All of this is at taxpayer's expense, not the Obama's.

    It just plain sends the wrong signal at this time. It tells me there is no judgement in the White House.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 09:34 AM #
  10. Andrew

    Deane: So, it's OK then to waste thousands of taxpayer dollars frivolously at a time the country is in deep economic straits.

    It's NEVER OK, but there is plenty of money in the government to waste, by both parties. You think John Boehner isn't wasting hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars flying back and forth on his private plane to his district, as just one example?

    Admit it, Deane: you're picking on Michelle Obama because she's a Democrat, and you don't like the Obama's. Nothing more than the dumb, naked partisanship you love to fall into.

    Posted on August 19, 2011 - 09:37 AM #