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  1. Vitalogy

    The NRA says arming more adults will protect kids—but most are killed at home, our investigation shows, often with unsecured guns.

    A year after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Mother Jones has analyzed the subsequent deaths of 194 children ages 12 and under who were reported in news accounts to have died in gun accidents, homicides, and suicides. They are spread across 43 states, from inner cities to tiny rural towns.

    Following Sandy Hook, the National Rifle Association and its allies argued that arming more adults is the solution to protecting children, be it from deranged mass shooters or from home invaders. But the data we collected stands as a stark rejoinder to that view:

    ◾127 of the children died from gunshots in their own homes, while dozens more died in the homes of friends, neighbors, and relatives.
    ◾72 of the young victims either pulled the trigger themselves or were shot dead by another kid.
    ◾In those 72 cases, only 4 adults have been held criminally liable.
    ◾At least 52 deaths involved a child handling a gun left unsecured.

    Additional findings include:
    ◾60 children died at the hands of their own parents, 50 of them in homicides.
    ◾The average age of the victims was 6 years old.
    ◾More than two-thirds of the victims were boys, as were more than three-quarters of the kids who pulled the trigger.
    ◾The problem was worst over the past year in the South, which saw at least 92 child gun deaths, followed by the Midwest (44), the West (38), and the East (20).

    No other affluent society has this problem to such an extreme. According to a recent study by the Children's Defense Fund, the gun death rate for children and teens in the US is four times greater than in Canada, the country with the next highest rate, and 65 times greater than in Germany and Britain.

    The pediatric community has been focused on elevating the issue. Public health researchers have found that 43 percent of homes with guns and kids contain at least one unlocked firearm. One study found that a third of 8- to 12-year-old boys who came across an unlocked handgun picked it up and pulled the trigger.

    Posted on December 10, 2013 - 07:41 PM #
  2. Anonymous

    Yes, unfortunately t's true, there are FOOLS who own guns and don't properly secure them from children etc. Probably the same FOOLS who have rusty cars on blocks and old refrigerators with the door still attached in their front yards, allow their dog to roam the neighborhood menacing strangers, throw the dog poop over the fence into their neighbor's yard, etc.

    Posted on December 10, 2013 - 08:00 PM #
  3. Vitalogy

    Wait a second. I thought that all gun owners are "law abiding gun owners?"

    Turns out a far majority of gun owners aren't "law abiding."

    Posted on December 10, 2013 - 09:03 PM #
  4. Vitalogy

    The lesson is: be surrounded by guns and you have a better chance of being shot and killed. Stats are a beyotch!

    Posted on December 10, 2013 - 09:14 PM #
  5. missing_kskd

    The way I see it, everybody who isn't a FOOL, needs to work together to deal with the FOOLS who have and use guns like this.

    If you aren't on board with that, you are a FOOL.

    Posted on December 10, 2013 - 09:54 PM #
  6. Valerie ring

    Today (December 11) is the one year anniversary of the Clackamas Town Center shootings. It might be wise for those that think gun control infringes on their 5th Amendment rights to read the following letters from Oregon Live. I doubt there will be any takers though. 7 children a day die from guns in our country. That is just WRONG.

    Posted on December 11, 2013 - 08:47 AM #
  7. missing_kskd

    It is, and it's too many on an absolute basis. Package it up with whatever percentage or other stat you want.

    Too many dead kids.

    Posted on December 11, 2013 - 09:33 AM #
  8. HD

    Let's look at the data, shall we?

    No responsible person wants mayhem. At issue is the best way to reduce it.

    Posted on December 11, 2013 - 04:02 PM #
  9. Vitalogy

    Yes, let's look at the data.

    Guns do not make a nation safer, say US doctors who have compared the rate of firearms-related deaths in countries where many people own guns with the death rate in countries where gun ownership is rare.

    Their findings, published Wednesday in the prestigious American Journal of Medicine, debunk the historic belief among many people in the United States that guns make a country safer, they say. On the contrary, the US, with the most guns per head in the world, has the highest rate of deaths from firearms, while Japan, which has the lowest rate of gun ownership, has the least.

    They examined data from 27 developed countries, using gun ownership figures from the Small Arms Survey and deaths from the World Health Organisation, the National Center for Health Statistics and others. They also looked at crime rates compiled by the United Nations for an indication of the safety of each country.

    More guns meant more deaths, they found. "The gun ownership rate was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death," says Bangalore. "Private gun ownership was highest in the US. Japan, on the other end, had an extremely low gun ownership rate. Similarly, South Africa (9.4 per 100,000) and the US (10.2 per 100,000) had extremely high firearm-related deaths, whereas the United Kingdom (0.25 per 100,000) had an extremely low rate of firearm-related deaths.

    "There was a significant correlation between guns per head per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths with Japan being on one end of the spectrum and the US being on the other. This argues against the notion of more guns translating into less crime. South Africa was the only outlier in that the observed firearms-related death rate was several times higher than expected from gun ownership."

    High rates of mental illness in any country, on the other hand, did not predict more gun deaths.

    Posted on December 11, 2013 - 04:33 PM #
  10. Vitalogy

    I just LOVE data!

    States with higher gun ownership rates and weak gun laws have the highest rates of gun death according to a new analysis by the Violence Policy Center (VPC) of 2010 national data (the most recent available) from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

    The analysis reveals that the five states with the highest per capita gun death rates were Alaska, Louisiana, Montana, Alabama, and Wyoming. Each of these states had a per capita gun death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate for the 50 states of 10.25 per 100,000 for 2010. Each state has lax gun laws and higher gun ownership rates. By contrast, states with strong gun laws and low rates of gun ownership had far lower rates of firearm-related death. Ranking last in the nation for gun death was Hawaii, followed by Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and New York. (See rankings below for top and bottom five states. See for a ranking of all 50 states.)

    VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, “The equation is simple. More guns lead to more gun death, but limiting exposure to firearms saves lives.” The total number of Americans killed by gunfire rose to 31,672 in 2010 from 31,347 in 2009.

    Posted on December 11, 2013 - 04:38 PM #